[00:00] * Quintasan hits the bed [00:00] Good night. [00:04] :) === emma is now known as em [02:19] ::qt-bugs:: [1036465] package libqt4-xmlpatterns 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: libqt4-xmlpattern... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1036465 (by Antti Seppo) [02:19] Launchpad bug 1036465 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "package libqt4-xmlpatterns 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: libqt4-xmlpatterns:amd64 4" [Undecided,New] [06:02] Riddell: words [07:32] shadeslayer: cool! thx. Will try it after the meeting ... [07:34] jussi: not like this? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/words.png [08:51] Riddell: phonon stuff test building right now [09:01] apachelogger_: which stuff? where? [09:02] pvlc and pgst releases [09:02] great [09:04] Riddell: yeah, Ive no "blank document" [09:04] jussi: you have calligrawords-data installed? [09:04] Riddell: Ill check when I get home, but I expect so [09:05] jussi: needs this file /usr/share/kde4/apps/words/templates/Normal/A4.desktop [09:07] Riddell: ok, Ill have a look when Im home again [09:57] Quintasan_: yes dh_install does seem to list them all, weird [09:59] Quintasan_: oh maliit-sever.install -> maliit-server.install [10:52] Riddell: Amarok 2.6 is released (our website is down right now, but the tarball is in the KDE mirrors) [10:53] Mamarok: compiling away now in our archive and in kubutu-ninjas ppa for backports [10:53] cool :) [10:53] if you need more info, just ping me [11:03] phonons uploaded === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:12] apachelogger_: can you put them into kubuntu-ninjas for precise as well? I see amarok recommends them [11:13] I am leaving for train in a bit, so earlist in 6 hours or so [11:13] unless you are asking me to do so without testing ;) [11:13] apachelogger_: ok I'll take a look [11:14] I'd ask you to upload to kubuntu-ppa/backports if I didn't want it tested :) [11:14] hi rbelem_ [11:14] ^^ [11:15] Riddell: did you see my lightdm theme btw? [11:15] apachelogger_: you posted a screenshot of one [11:15] that one [11:15] it had a background which was pretty but I'm not convinced it fits in with the rest of the artwork [11:16] ah, I think you mean sheytan's mockup [11:18] Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/14/plasma-desktopFg5285.png [11:18] the one I am talking about [11:20] apachelogger_: what's the word "avatar" for? [11:20] what's the spanner icon for? [11:20] hostname? [11:21] icon for change DE? [11:23] doesn't seem like the most obvious way to change your session selection [11:23] Riddell: what ulysses guessed ^^ [11:23] Riddell: what'd be more obvious? [11:23] a drop down menu? [11:23] well that is what you get when you click the icon [11:23] which says the current selection [11:24] well, the icon is not the best, I'd change that, but no idea for the replacement [11:24] Riddell: that's assuming people care sufficienty to have this information ever s present [11:24] * apachelogger_ can't type anymore apparently [11:25] apachelogger_: add a checkbox to show it then, *I* care very much what session I login to, and it's a pain to login, notice the wrong session, logout and login again [11:26] apachelogger_: how is this better than the default theme? [11:26] more like: how is it better than the simple theme? [11:27] simple theme? [11:27] Riddell: it's less buggy [11:27] classic theme I mean [11:28] yofel: my mom does not know her user name [11:28] good point [11:28] anything you have planned for that huge empty space at the right? [11:29] Riddell: we could pimp the default one, but IMHO the picture approach is vastly flawed if we don't make it insanely easy to take pictures of sane quality [11:29] which is mostly what I dislike about the default theme in the short term [11:29] yofel: logo perhaps [11:30] what I do wonder though ... how is one supposed to change the keyboad layout with lightdm? [11:30] ok, as long as *something* is there, currently the design falls over on the left [11:30] otherwise not bad [11:31] the falling over part is artistically intended ^^ [11:31] just need some drama on the right and it will work out fine ^^ [11:31] anyhow [11:31] gotta go [11:31] laters [11:35] shadeslayer: yes, that worked from yesterday, thank you. === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:07] Riddell: Oh silly me [12:23] Morning Quintasan [14:09] hmm? [14:09] I've not seen that before [14:10] pretty handy [14:14] * Riddell gets onto kdevelop [14:17] I asked stgraber to set that up a while ago. [14:17] (the queuebot) [14:17] It just doesn't come up that often. [14:19] ah ScottK, would you be in a New mood today? [14:20] I'll possibly have time today. Depends on how fast $WORK gets done. [14:20] very disciplined of you [14:20] Motivating my self to procrastinate doing New isn't very hard. [14:21] heh [14:39] my plasma theme is excessively transparent, and now I can't even work out how to change plasma theme [14:40] Riddell, System settings isn't working? [14:45] Darkwing: where do I find it in system settings? [14:45] Riddell: Workspace Appearance -> Desktop Theme [14:47] jtechidna: did you know taht they changed http://reviews.ubuntu.com/reviews/api/1.0/review-stats/ to return a zip file? [14:47] of course they did >.< [14:47] gah [14:47] well, we didn't change muon :D [14:47] I've spent quite some minutes trying to figure out what happened [14:47] s/of course they did/of course they would [14:48] yeah well [14:48] they broke the API because it was convenient [14:48] hmm, wget says that the mimetype is still application/json [14:48] ah hah, but is this a normal amount of transparency? (see calendar widget) http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma.png [14:49] Riddell: looks about normal [14:49] hmm, actually [14:49] jtechidna: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/14/plasma-desktopqP1845.png [14:50] Riddell: my tooltips look that transparent, but the calendar widget doesn't look as transparent [14:50] Riddell, That looks ok. I like this one... It's Helium theme. http://imm.io/Awka [14:51] Oh, That's alos homerun containment. [14:51] apol_: maybe rekonq is wrong? ark doesn't recognize the file as an archive [14:51] s/alos/also [14:51] weird [14:51] hmm, but ratings are broken for me [14:52] jtechidna: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/14/plasma-desktopRS1845.png [14:52] ark is wrong too? :D [14:52] ark is wrong too? :D [14:52] oops [14:52] apol_: oh, what happens if you take the trailing / off the url? [14:52] that's what I was wget'ing [14:53] it returned index.html when I wget'd the url with the trailing / [14:53] maybe that hit your cache? [14:54] maybe. how do I clear that? [14:54] ugh [14:54] jtechidna: now i get text too :S [14:55] or not [14:55] jtechidna: try curl http://reviews.ubuntu.com/reviews/api/1.0/review-stats/ [14:55] I think chromium/rekonq recognize gzip [14:57] ew, I get a binary stream with curl [14:58] yep [14:58] sigh [15:03] apol_: this is what the ubuntu software center's cache file looks like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1146992/ [15:04] jtechidna: there are a lot of empty lines there [15:04] they were able to change it to gzipped without modifying USC's code, so I wonder how they did it [15:04] hey jtechidna, I just realized that its you [15:04] Darkwing: alt nick on a different computer ;-) [15:04] apol_: give it a second to load [15:04] jtechidna: they're probably using a library that understands that it's a gzip automatically [15:04] probably [15:04] ahhhhh :D this is why i use quassel-core for my irc needs\ [15:05] jtechidna: I'll try to fix it now and port it to 1.4... -.- [15:05] Darkwing: I'm old-fashioned :P [15:05] uh huh [15:05] I'd set up an IRC bouncer, but I'm too lazy and don't have a suitable server [15:06] Im borrowing enough space for -core only [15:07] apol_: I'll see about getting an SRU for 1.3 for Kubuntu 12.04 [15:08] jtechidna: SRU? [15:08] apol_: Stable Release Update to the packages in Kubuntu 12.04 [15:09] an updated package with a minimal patch to fix specific issues, basically [15:09] a bunch of red tape is what it is :P https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFYQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntu.com%2FStableReleaseUpdates&ei=F2oqUOj4LuTc6wHNg4C4CA&usg=AFQjCNFl9CrvGudijLLJ0UQ8dxx7Lj3WRQ&sig2=yUIxZoIuNXEBTSvYV1dVfQ [15:09] ok as you wish [15:09] er [15:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [15:09] IMHO it would make full sense to use 1.4 in 12.04, but I've never understood ubuntu anyway :P [15:12] apol_: the "piston" json library that they use does infact provide transparent gzip sup port [15:12] jtechidna: yeah well, that's no argument [15:12] it's an API [15:12] :P [15:12] looks like they were planning this for at least a year: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-o-ratings-and-reviews-in-software-center [15:13] and we made an impelmentation that just happened to work with the way things were currently set up on the web-facing side of thigns [15:13] s/thigns/things [15:14] well it's not really how API's work [15:14] jtechidna: in any case, it's fixed now [15:14] great :) [15:14] I'll throw fixing 12.04 on my todo list then [15:14] apol_: discussing api's with python guys? good luck ;-) [15:15] jtechidna: if you get to go to another UDS, please tell them to consider us as consumers of their API and tell us about their plans [15:15] apol_: will do [15:15] jtechidna: otherwise we shouldn't consider them as a data backend, for good or bad [15:15] tsdgeos: ;-) [15:15] you should see the comments I have in the code that parses that crap xD [15:15] tsdgeos: well, I've done that before, won't even bother to talk to them this time :( [15:16] apol_: does blue systems sponsor you to travel to such events as UDS? [15:17] jtechidna: I've never been there, I could discuss this if we thought it was necessary [15:18] ok [15:18] I won't be able to make it to this next UDS due to uni [15:18] kubutnu council could consider sponsorship too if requested [15:19] Does the Kubuntu Council have the resources to sponsor people? [15:19] (just curious, dunno where we'd get the money to do that) [15:20] jtechidna: blue systems :D [15:20] :D [15:20] jtechidna: and the bug is fixed both in master and 1.4 [15:20] great, thanks again [15:21] jtechidna: yes, a kind donation, also can be used on anything else we want, I'd love to have someone make business cards or shirts [15:21] * jtechidna nods [15:21] Riddell: you can have business cards by the KDE eV [15:21] apol_: but it won't say Kubuntu on it :) [15:22] well, you get to put your role in there [15:22] so you can say you're Kubuntu supergalactic chief [15:22] haha [15:22] bbiab, grabbing lunch [15:27] Riddell: Don't we need trademarks sorted before shirts? [15:28] ScottK: kubuntu is perfectly allowed to use its own name [15:28] that's not in question [15:29] only third party companies is [15:29] OK. I thought it was an issue for anyone !Canonical. [15:30] And the Kubuntu entity is not a corporation? [15:30] ScottK: right, the kubuntu council is a simple constituted group [15:30] OK. [15:31] Riddell, heya === rbelem_ is now known as rbelem [15:58] yay for 800x600 [15:58] I wonder how to fixor this... [15:59] I blame NVIDIA! [16:06] By definition. [16:12] afiestas_: any ideas who works on disk mounting/unmounting in KDE? [16:13] external HDD stuff I mean [18:30] could someone look at bug 875040? [18:30] Launchpad bug 875040 in kmymoney (Ubuntu) "KMyMoney window cannot be resized smaller" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875040 [18:31] apachelogger_: ^ I'm assigning that to you :P [18:31] oh ugh [18:31] * shadeslayer forgot about the other digikam bug on his todo [18:31] allee: ^ I completely forgot about the xpm bug, I'll have a look at it tomorrow [19:22] Wasn't there a discussion somewhere (I can't find it :/ ) about putting a baclup solution on the DVD? Where does that stand - anyone know? [19:23] We're getting rid of the DVD, so it's OBE. [19:23] IIRC someone went through and evaluated alternatives. [19:23] I don't recall if we picked a 'best' choice. [19:39] ScottK: K, thanks. Was the deciding factor as to whether a backup app should be provided or not dependent on going to a DVD for default medium? Or is it deciding on the best solution? [19:39] Quintasan was looking into that afaik [19:40] ronnoc: When we were on a 700MB CD, there was no way it was going to fix. [19:40] fix/fit [19:41] shadeslayer: I am very glad you were wrong :D [19:42] oh? [19:42] jussi: nvidia? [19:42] shadeslayer: yep [19:42] works in quantal [19:42] binary compatible driver? [19:42] beta driver apparently [19:42] Personally, I don't understand the need for a CD-size-limit. Kubuntu can't really likely be installed on a system that originally came with a CD Rom. But that's just moi. [19:42] scumbag ATi :P [19:42] ahh [19:42] ronnoc: that's been removed [19:42] i.e. the limit has been removed [19:43] shadeslayer: anyway, just thought Id let you know. [19:43] oh cool [19:43] * shadeslayer wants a beta fglrx driver [19:43] shadeslayer: I was thinking that was the case. Thanks for the confirmation. [19:43] my last experience with nvidia in quantal was that it broke suspend [19:43] * yofel is on nouveau for now [19:44] I just want fglrx for one thing, graphics switching [19:52] Riddell: Any reason when you were updating lightdm for the guest account stuff you didn't add lightdm-kde-greeter as an alternative recommends for lightdm? [19:56] ScottK: no good reason, my wonky eyes must have missed that one [19:56] ScottK: it's maintained in the UDD branch, can be easily added there [19:56] No problem. I'll add it there. [19:59] Done in bzr. [20:00] Riddell: We currently have lightdm-kde-greeter and kdm seeded. That seems suboptimal. Is it on purpose? [20:00] Oh, wait. [20:01] Nevermind. [20:01] Missed the '#' at the start of the line. [20:08] I didn't think I was that bad [20:08] ScottK: but it does remind me it needs worked out how to ensure kdm gets removed on upgrade [20:09] u-m could remove it. [20:10] why would it need to be removed? Rather just change the default [20:10] yeah I've done that before, couldn't find it when grepping (I spent all of 60 seconds on it) [20:10] if possible [20:12] shadeslayer: I do [20:12] I do libsolid, maintain everything but the plasmoid and dolphin sidebar [20:12] yofel: you mean just change it for new installs? [20:12] afiestas_: ok, so, udisks2 has this interface that does SMART testing [20:12] and a interface that allows you to shut down your external HDD [20:12] I'm a bit scared of having two display managers installed at the same time, the live CD broke when that was the case for a bit [20:13] so, 2 questions, 1) Any way we can display the SMART status of a disk to the user via dolphin [20:13] Riddell: well, that would be the better way anyway, but I meant to change /etc/X11/default-display-manager [20:13] and 2) Any particular reason why a external HDD is not powered off when you eject the drive [20:13] shadeslayer: via dolphin I doubt, normal people don't want that (maybe some specific data?) [20:13] if having 2 DM's breaks something then something's really wrong [20:13] my gsoc is writtin an app to show and perform SMART tests [20:13] kdm is happily installed here and never pops up [20:13] right, I would very much like that [20:14] shadeslayer: nope, no particular reason but for change this I'd like to digg about this [20:14] doesn't have to be in dolphin, but that's where I would look anywya [20:14] *anyway [20:14] read or ask to kernel developers etc [20:14] It'd be interesting to know if there's actual data suggesting SMART effectively predicts anything. IIRC, several years ago it was studied and didn't. [20:14] my question is, why we haven't had that in udisk or hal? [20:14] afiestas_: udisks2 offers you the ability to shut it down [20:14] shadeslayer: but not the 2 stuff before it when it was perfectly possible [20:14] makes my doubt that we need to shutdown by default [20:15] ScottK: well .. if you want to send in your drive for replacement, you need to tell them what's wrong, the best way to do that is to use SMART data [20:15] actually, why udisk2 is not shutdowingby default? [20:15] dunno [20:15] I'm just curious [20:15] shadeslayer: I'm not saying we should not, I'm saying we have to investigate before modifying this [20:16] right [20:19] ScottK: SSD's at least put some statistical data there - now the question is whether you really want to nag the user that his drive believes it's worn out [20:20] and most vendors put whatever they want in there anyway [20:29] shadeslayer: btw. - IMO the SMART data isn't something that belongs into dolpin but into kinfocenter [20:37] alright, my point was, I have no idea how to find SMART info [20:37] in KDE [20:49] shadeslayer: if you want a good (to me) example on where low level disk utilities should be managed, take a look at gnome's disk utility (http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/blog-entry-20091216/partitioning.png) [20:49] thats an old one, but it hasn't changed a whole lot [20:49] haha [20:49] cmagina: that's where I got the idea from :P [20:49] :) [20:50] well, if you wanted to give KDE its own disk utility interface ;) [20:51] does/should partitionmanager do it? [20:51] the kde partition manager isn't even truly integrated into system settings, so i'm sure it could use the love plus additional features [20:51] nah, just does partitioning [20:57] ^ [20:57] Riddell: that's where I checked as well [20:57] then I grepped gnome-disk-utility for the necessary interface [20:58] and turns out udisk2 does offer all of that, so poked afiestas_ :P [20:58] afiestas_: I want to properly discuss this, which ML should I poke? [20:59] shadeslayer: kde-hardware-devel [20:59] and if you do some digg of your own that would be appreaciated [21:00] afiestas_: yeah, I plan to [21:00] maybe asking udisk develoepr about it [21:00] afiestas_: the interface is there, I've already looked into it [21:00] afiestas_: http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/gdbus-org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Drive.Ata.html [21:01] shadeslayer: I'm more intereste in the reasons of why that is not called by default [21:01] oh, you're talking about ejecting [21:01] I was talking about SMART [21:02] about smart my gsoc has take care of everything [21:02] checkout scratch repos called solid-smart [21:06] okie [21:07] afiestas_: what's your identity name? [21:07] I don't want to open gitweb.kde.org :P [21:25] ok, so I'm a bit lost with taskel, how does one make a meta package provide a task? [21:26] or how does one define a task? [21:27] seems like everything comes from tasksel-data [21:46] shadeslayer: happy independence day [21:46] :D [21:46] Riddell: thanks! [21:54] afiestas_: http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=scratch%2Fkamath%2Fsolidsmart.git&a=summary < is that it? [22:25] gah [22:26] afiestas_: if that's the correct repo, solidsmart/backends doesn't have a CMakeLists.txt