[00:00]  * Quintasan hits the bed
[00:00] <Quintasan> Good night.
[00:04] <Daskreech> :)
[02:19] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1036465] package libqt4-xmlpatterns 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: libqt4-xmlpattern... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1036465 (by Antti Seppo)
[06:02] <jussi> Riddell: words
[07:32] <allee> shadeslayer: cool! thx.  Will try it after the meeting ...
[07:34] <Riddell> jussi: not like this? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/words.png
[08:51] <apachelogger_> Riddell: phonon stuff test building right now
[09:01] <Riddell> apachelogger_: which stuff?  where?
[09:02] <apachelogger_> pvlc and pgst releases
[09:02] <Riddell> great
[09:04] <jussi> Riddell: yeah, Ive no "blank document"
[09:04] <Riddell> jussi: you have calligrawords-data installed?
[09:04] <jussi> Riddell: Ill check when I get home, but I expect so
[09:05] <Riddell> jussi: needs this file /usr/share/kde4/apps/words/templates/Normal/A4.desktop
[09:07] <jussi> Riddell: ok, Ill have a look when Im home again
[09:57] <Riddell> Quintasan_: yes dh_install does seem to list them all, weird
[09:59] <Riddell> Quintasan_: oh maliit-sever.install -> maliit-server.install
[10:52] <Mamarok> Riddell: Amarok 2.6 is released (our website is down right now, but the tarball is in the KDE mirrors)
[10:53] <Riddell> Mamarok: compiling away now in our archive and in kubutu-ninjas ppa for backports
[10:53] <Mamarok> cool :)
[10:53] <Mamarok> if you need more info, just ping me
[11:03] <apachelogger_> phonons uploaded
[11:12] <Riddell> apachelogger_: can you put them into kubuntu-ninjas for precise as well?  I see amarok recommends them
[11:13] <apachelogger_> I am leaving for train in a bit, so earlist in 6 hours or so
[11:13] <apachelogger_> unless you are asking me to do so without testing ;)
[11:13] <Riddell> apachelogger_: ok I'll take a look
[11:14] <Riddell> I'd ask you to upload to kubuntu-ppa/backports if I didn't want it tested :)
[11:14] <Riddell> hi rbelem_ 
[11:14] <apachelogger_> ^^
[11:15] <apachelogger_> Riddell: did you see my lightdm theme btw?
[11:15] <Riddell> apachelogger_: you posted a screenshot of one
[11:15] <apachelogger_> that one
[11:15] <Riddell> it had a background which was pretty but I'm not convinced it fits in with the rest of the artwork
[11:16] <apachelogger_> ah, I think you mean sheytan's mockup
[11:18] <apachelogger_> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/14/plasma-desktopFg5285.png
[11:18] <apachelogger_> the one I am talking about
[11:20] <Riddell> apachelogger_: what's the word "avatar" for?
[11:20] <Riddell> what's the spanner icon for?
[11:20] <ulysses> hostname?
[11:21] <ulysses> icon for change DE?
[11:23] <Riddell> doesn't seem like the most obvious way to change your session selection
[11:23] <apachelogger_> Riddell: what ulysses guessed ^^
[11:23] <apachelogger_> Riddell: what'd be more obvious?
[11:23] <Riddell> a drop down menu?
[11:23] <apachelogger_> well that is what you get when you click the icon
[11:23] <Riddell> which says the current selection
[11:24] <ulysses> well, the icon is not the best, I'd change that, but no idea for the replacement
[11:24] <apachelogger_> Riddell: that's assuming people care sufficienty to have this information ever s present
[11:24]  * apachelogger_ can't type anymore apparently
[11:25] <yofel> apachelogger_: add a checkbox to show it then, *I* care very much what session I login to, and it's a pain to login, notice the wrong session, logout and login again
[11:26] <Riddell> apachelogger_: how is this better than the default theme?
[11:26] <yofel> more like: how is it better than the simple theme?
[11:27] <apachelogger_> simple theme?
[11:27] <apachelogger_> Riddell: it's less buggy
[11:27] <yofel> classic theme I mean
[11:28] <apachelogger_> yofel: my mom does not know her user name
[11:28] <yofel> good point
[11:28] <yofel> anything you have planned for that huge empty space at the right?
[11:29] <apachelogger_> Riddell: we could pimp the default one, but IMHO the picture approach is vastly flawed if we don't make it insanely easy to take pictures of sane quality
[11:29] <apachelogger_> which is mostly what I dislike about the default theme in the short term
[11:29] <apachelogger_> yofel: logo perhaps
[11:30] <apachelogger_> what I do wonder though ... how is one supposed to change the keyboad layout with lightdm?
[11:30] <yofel> ok, as long as *something* is there, currently the design falls over on the left
[11:30] <yofel> otherwise not bad
[11:31] <apachelogger_> the falling over part is artistically intended ^^
[11:31] <apachelogger_> just need some drama on the right and it will work out fine ^^
[11:31] <apachelogger_> anyhow
[11:31] <apachelogger_> gotta go
[11:31] <apachelogger_> laters
[11:35] <Darkwing> shadeslayer: yes, that worked from yesterday, thank you.
[12:07] <Quintasan> Riddell: Oh silly me
[12:23] <Darkwing> Morning Quintasan
[14:09] <Riddell> hmm?
[14:09] <Riddell> I've not seen that before
[14:10] <jtechidna> pretty handy
[14:14]  * Riddell gets onto kdevelop
[14:17] <ScottK> I asked stgraber to set that up a while ago.  
[14:17] <ScottK> (the queuebot)
[14:17] <ScottK> It just doesn't come up that often.
[14:19] <Riddell> ah ScottK, would you be in a New mood today?
[14:20] <ScottK> I'll possibly have time today.  Depends on how fast $WORK gets done.
[14:20] <Riddell> very disciplined of you
[14:20] <ScottK> Motivating my self to procrastinate doing New isn't very hard.
[14:21] <jtechidna> heh
[14:39] <Riddell> my plasma theme is excessively transparent, and now I can't even work out how to change plasma theme
[14:40] <Darkwing> Riddell, System settings isn't working?
[14:45] <Riddell> Darkwing: where do I find it in system settings?
[14:45] <jtechidna> Riddell: Workspace Appearance -> Desktop Theme
[14:47] <apol_> jtechidna: did you know taht they changed http://reviews.ubuntu.com/reviews/api/1.0/review-stats/ to return a zip file?
[14:47] <jtechidna> of course they did >.<
[14:47] <jtechidna> gah
[14:47] <apol_> well, we didn't change muon :D
[14:47] <apol_> I've spent quite some minutes trying to figure out what happened
[14:47] <jtechidna> s/of course they did/of course they would
[14:48] <apol_> yeah well
[14:48] <apol_> they broke the API because it was convenient
[14:48] <jtechidna> hmm, wget says that the mimetype is still application/json
[14:48] <Riddell> ah hah, but is this a normal amount of transparency?  (see calendar widget) http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma.png
[14:49] <jtechidna> Riddell: looks about normal
[14:49] <jtechidna> hmm, actually
[14:49] <apol_> jtechidna: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/14/plasma-desktopqP1845.png
[14:50] <jtechidna> Riddell: my tooltips look that transparent, but the calendar widget doesn't look as transparent
[14:50] <Darkwing> Riddell, That looks ok. I like this one... It's Helium theme. http://imm.io/Awka
[14:51] <Darkwing> Oh, That's alos homerun containment.
[14:51] <jtechidna> apol_: maybe rekonq is wrong? ark doesn't recognize the file as an archive
[14:51] <Darkwing> s/alos/also
[14:51] <apol_> weird
[14:51] <jtechidna> hmm, but ratings are broken for me
[14:52] <apol_> jtechidna: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/14/plasma-desktopRS1845.png
[14:52] <apol_> ark is wrong too? :D
[14:52] <apol_> ark is wrong too? :D
[14:52] <apol_> oops
[14:52] <jtechidna> apol_: oh, what happens if you take the trailing / off the url?
[14:52] <jtechidna> that's what I was wget'ing
[14:53] <jtechidna> it returned index.html when I wget'd the url with the trailing /
[14:53] <apol_> maybe that hit your cache?
[14:54] <jtechidna> maybe. how do I clear that?
[14:54] <apol_> ugh
[14:54] <apol_> jtechidna: now i get text too :S
[14:55] <apol_> or not
[14:55] <apol_> jtechidna: try curl http://reviews.ubuntu.com/reviews/api/1.0/review-stats/
[14:55] <apol_> I think chromium/rekonq recognize gzip
[14:57] <jtechidna> ew, I get a binary stream with curl
[14:58] <apol_> yep
[14:58] <jtechidna> sigh
[15:03] <jtechidna> apol_: this is what the ubuntu software center's cache file looks like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1146992/
[15:04] <apol_> jtechidna: there are a lot of empty lines there
[15:04] <jtechidna> they were able to change it to gzipped without modifying USC's code, so I wonder how they did it
[15:04] <Darkwing> hey jtechidna, I just realized that its you
[15:04] <jtechidna> Darkwing: alt nick on a different computer ;-)
[15:04] <jtechidna> apol_: give it a second to load
[15:04] <apol_> jtechidna: they're probably using a library that understands that it's a gzip automatically
[15:04] <jtechidna> probably
[15:04] <Darkwing> ahhhhh :D this is why i use quassel-core for my irc needs\
[15:05] <apol_> jtechidna: I'll try to fix it now and port it to 1.4... -.-
[15:05] <jtechidna> Darkwing: I'm old-fashioned :P
[15:05] <Darkwing> uh huh
[15:05] <jtechidna> I'd set up an IRC bouncer, but I'm too lazy and don't have a suitable server
[15:06] <Darkwing> Im borrowing enough space for -core only
[15:07] <jtechidna> apol_: I'll see about getting an SRU for 1.3 for Kubuntu 12.04
[15:08] <apol_> jtechidna: SRU?
[15:08] <jtechidna> apol_: Stable Release Update to the packages in Kubuntu 12.04
[15:09] <jtechidna> an updated package with a minimal patch to fix specific issues, basically
[15:09] <jtechidna> a bunch of red tape is what it is :P https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFYQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntu.com%2FStableReleaseUpdates&ei=F2oqUOj4LuTc6wHNg4C4CA&usg=AFQjCNFl9CrvGudijLLJ0UQ8dxx7Lj3WRQ&sig2=yUIxZoIuNXEBTSvYV1dVfQ
[15:09] <apol_> ok as you wish
[15:09] <jtechidna> er
[15:09] <jtechidna> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[15:09] <apol_> IMHO it would make full sense to use 1.4 in 12.04, but I've never understood ubuntu anyway :P
[15:12] <jtechidna> apol_: the "piston" json library that they use does infact provide transparent gzip sup port
[15:12] <apol_> jtechidna: yeah well, that's no argument
[15:12] <apol_> it's an API
[15:12] <apol_> :P
[15:12] <jtechidna> looks like they were planning this for at least a year: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-o-ratings-and-reviews-in-software-center
[15:13] <jtechidna> and we made an impelmentation that just happened to work with the way things were currently set up on the web-facing side of thigns
[15:13] <jtechidna> s/thigns/things
[15:14] <apol_> well it's not really how API's work
[15:14] <apol_> jtechidna: in any case, it's fixed now
[15:14] <jtechidna> great :)
[15:14] <jtechidna> I'll throw fixing 12.04 on my todo list then
[15:14] <tsdgeos> apol_: discussing api's with python guys? good luck ;-)
[15:15] <apol_> jtechidna: if you get to go to another UDS, please tell them to consider us as consumers of their API and tell us about their plans
[15:15] <jtechidna> apol_: will do
[15:15] <apol_> jtechidna: otherwise we shouldn't consider them as a data backend, for good or bad
[15:15] <jtechidna> tsdgeos: ;-)
[15:15] <jtechidna> you should see the comments I have in the code that parses that crap xD
[15:15] <apol_> tsdgeos: well, I've done that before, won't even bother to talk to them this time :(
[15:16] <jtechidna> apol_: does blue systems sponsor you to travel to such events as UDS?
[15:17] <apol_> jtechidna: I've never been there, I could discuss this if we thought it was necessary
[15:18] <jtechidna> ok
[15:18] <jtechidna> I won't be able to make it to this next UDS due to uni
[15:18] <Riddell> kubutnu council could consider sponsorship too if requested
[15:19] <jtechidna> Does the Kubuntu Council have the resources to sponsor people?
[15:19] <jtechidna> (just curious, dunno where we'd get the money to do that)
[15:20] <apol_> jtechidna: blue systems :D
[15:20] <jtechidna> :D
[15:20] <apol_> jtechidna: and the bug is fixed both in master and 1.4
[15:20] <jtechidna> great, thanks again
[15:21] <Riddell> jtechidna: yes, a kind donation, also can be used on anything else we want, I'd love to have someone make business cards or shirts 
[15:21]  * jtechidna nods
[15:21] <apol_> Riddell: you can have business cards by the KDE eV
[15:21] <Riddell> apol_: but it won't say Kubuntu on it :)
[15:22] <apol_> well, you get to put your role in there
[15:22] <apol_> so you can say you're Kubuntu supergalactic chief
[15:22] <jtechidna> haha
[15:22] <jtechidna> bbiab, grabbing lunch
[15:27] <ScottK> Riddell: Don't we need trademarks sorted before shirts?
[15:28] <Riddell> ScottK: kubuntu is perfectly allowed to use its own name
[15:28] <Riddell> that's not in question
[15:29] <Riddell> only third party companies is
[15:29] <ScottK> OK.  I thought it was an issue for anyone !Canonical.
[15:30] <ScottK> And the Kubuntu entity is not a corporation?
[15:30] <Riddell> ScottK: right, the kubuntu council is a simple constituted group
[15:30] <ScottK> OK.
[15:31] <rbelem_> Riddell, heya
[15:58] <jussi> yay for 800x600
[15:58] <jussi> I wonder how to fixor this...
[15:59] <jussi> I blame NVIDIA!
[16:06] <ScottK> By definition.
[16:12] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: any ideas who works on disk mounting/unmounting in KDE?
[16:13] <shadeslayer> external HDD stuff I mean
[18:30] <shadeslayer> could someone look at bug 875040?
[18:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: ^ I'm assigning that to you :P
[18:31] <shadeslayer> oh ugh
[18:31]  * shadeslayer forgot about the other digikam bug on his todo
[18:31] <shadeslayer> allee: ^ I completely forgot about the xpm bug, I'll have a look at it tomorrow
[19:22] <ronnoc> Wasn't there a discussion somewhere (I can't find it :/ ) about putting a baclup solution on the DVD? Where does that stand - anyone know?
[19:23] <ScottK> We're getting rid of the DVD, so it's OBE.
[19:23] <ScottK> IIRC someone went through and evaluated alternatives.
[19:23] <ScottK> I don't recall if we picked a 'best' choice.
[19:39] <ronnoc> ScottK: K, thanks. Was the deciding factor as to whether a backup app should be provided or not dependent on going to a DVD for default medium? Or is it deciding on the best solution?
[19:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan was looking into that afaik
[19:40] <ScottK> ronnoc: When we were on a 700MB CD, there was no way it was going to fix.
[19:40] <ScottK> fix/fit
[19:41] <jussi> shadeslayer: I am very glad you were wrong :D
[19:42] <shadeslayer> oh?
[19:42] <shadeslayer> jussi: nvidia?
[19:42] <jussi> shadeslayer: yep
[19:42] <jussi> works in quantal
[19:42] <shadeslayer> binary compatible driver?
[19:42] <jussi> beta driver apparently
[19:42] <ronnoc> Personally, I don't understand the need for a CD-size-limit. Kubuntu can't really likely be installed on a system that originally came with a CD Rom. But that's just moi. 
[19:42] <shadeslayer> scumbag ATi :P
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ahh 
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ronnoc: that's been removed
[19:42] <shadeslayer> i.e. the limit has been removed
[19:43] <jussi> shadeslayer: anyway, just thought Id let you know. 
[19:43] <shadeslayer> oh cool
[19:43]  * shadeslayer wants a beta fglrx driver
[19:43] <ronnoc> shadeslayer: I was thinking that was the case. Thanks for the confirmation.
[19:43] <yofel> my last experience with nvidia in quantal was that it broke suspend
[19:43]  * yofel is on nouveau for now
[19:44] <shadeslayer> I just want fglrx for one thing, graphics switching
[19:52] <ScottK> Riddell: Any reason when you were updating lightdm for the guest account stuff you didn't add lightdm-kde-greeter as an alternative recommends for lightdm?
[19:56] <Riddell> ScottK: no good reason, my wonky eyes must have missed that one
[19:56] <Riddell> ScottK: it's maintained in the UDD branch, can be easily added there
[19:56] <ScottK> No problem.  I'll add it there.
[19:59] <ScottK> Done in bzr.
[20:00] <ScottK> Riddell: We currently have lightdm-kde-greeter and kdm seeded.  That seems suboptimal.  Is it on purpose?
[20:00] <ScottK> Oh, wait.
[20:01] <ScottK> Nevermind.
[20:01] <ScottK> Missed the '#' at the start of the line.
[20:08] <Riddell> I didn't think I was that bad
[20:08] <Riddell> ScottK: but it does remind me it needs worked out how to ensure kdm gets removed on upgrade
[20:09] <ScottK> u-m could remove it.
[20:10] <yofel> why would it need to be removed? Rather just change the default
[20:10] <Riddell> yeah I've done that before, couldn't find it when grepping (I spent all of 60 seconds on it)
[20:10] <yofel> if possible
[20:12] <afiestas_> shadeslayer: I do
[20:12] <afiestas_> I do libsolid, maintain everything but the plasmoid and dolphin sidebar
[20:12] <Riddell> yofel: you mean just change it for new installs?
[20:12] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: ok, so, udisks2 has this interface that does SMART testing
[20:12] <shadeslayer> and a interface that allows you to shut down your external HDD
[20:12] <Riddell> I'm a bit scared of having two display managers installed at the same time, the live CD broke when that was the case for a bit
[20:13] <shadeslayer> so, 2 questions, 1) Any way we can display the SMART status of a disk to the user via dolphin
[20:13] <yofel> Riddell: well, that would be the better way anyway, but I meant to change /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[20:13] <shadeslayer> and 2) Any particular reason why a external HDD is not powered off when you eject the drive
[20:13] <afiestas_> shadeslayer: via dolphin I doubt, normal people don't want that (maybe some specific data?)
[20:13] <yofel> if having 2 DM's breaks something then something's really wrong
[20:13] <afiestas_> my gsoc is writtin an app to show and perform SMART tests
[20:13] <yofel> kdm is happily installed here and never pops up
[20:13] <shadeslayer> right, I would very much like that
[20:14] <afiestas_> shadeslayer: nope, no particular reason but for change this I'd like to digg about this
[20:14] <shadeslayer> doesn't have to be in dolphin, but that's where I would look anywya
[20:14] <shadeslayer> *anyway
[20:14] <afiestas_> read or ask to kernel developers etc
[20:14] <ScottK> It'd be interesting to know if there's actual data suggesting SMART effectively predicts anything.  IIRC, several years ago it was studied and didn't.
[20:14] <afiestas_> my question is, why we haven't had that in udisk or hal?
[20:14] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: udisks2 offers you the ability to shut it down
[20:14] <afiestas_> shadeslayer: but not the 2 stuff before it when it was perfectly possible
[20:14] <afiestas_> makes my doubt that we need to shutdown by default
[20:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: well .. if you want to send in your drive for replacement, you need to tell them what's wrong, the best way to do that is to use SMART data
[20:15] <afiestas_> actually, why udisk2 is not shutdowingby default?
[20:15] <shadeslayer> dunno
[20:15] <shadeslayer> I'm just curious
[20:15] <afiestas_> shadeslayer: I'm not saying we should not, I'm saying we have to investigate before modifying this
[20:16] <shadeslayer> right
[20:19] <yofel> ScottK: SSD's at least put some statistical data there - now the question is whether you really want to nag the user that his drive believes it's worn out
[20:20] <yofel> and most vendors put whatever they want in there anyway
[20:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: btw. - IMO the SMART data isn't something that belongs into dolpin but into kinfocenter
[20:37] <shadeslayer> alright, my point was, I have no idea how to find SMART info
[20:37] <shadeslayer> in KDE
[20:49] <cmagina> shadeslayer: if you want a good (to me) example on where low level disk utilities should be managed, take a look at gnome's disk utility (http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/blog-entry-20091216/partitioning.png) 
[20:49] <cmagina> thats an old one, but it hasn't changed a whole lot
[20:49] <shadeslayer> haha
[20:49] <shadeslayer> cmagina: that's where I got the idea from :P
[20:49] <cmagina> :)
[20:50] <cmagina> well, if you wanted to give KDE its own disk utility interface ;)
[20:51] <Riddell> does/should partitionmanager do it?
[20:51] <cmagina> the kde partition manager isn't even truly integrated into system settings, so i'm sure it could use the love plus additional features
[20:51] <cmagina> nah, just does partitioning
[20:57] <shadeslayer> ^
[20:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that's where I checked as well
[20:57] <shadeslayer> then I grepped gnome-disk-utility for the necessary interface
[20:58] <shadeslayer> and turns out udisk2 does offer all of that, so poked afiestas_ :P
[20:58] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: I want to properly discuss this, which ML should I poke?
[20:59] <afiestas_> shadeslayer: kde-hardware-devel 
[20:59] <afiestas_> and if you do some digg of your own that would be appreaciated
[21:00] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: yeah, I plan to
[21:00] <afiestas_> maybe asking udisk develoepr about it
[21:00] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: the interface is there, I've already looked into it
[21:00] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/gdbus-org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Drive.Ata.html
[21:01] <afiestas_> shadeslayer: I'm more intereste in the reasons of why that is not called by default
[21:01] <shadeslayer> oh, you're talking about ejecting
[21:01] <shadeslayer> I was talking about SMART
[21:02] <afiestas_> about smart my gsoc has take care of everything
[21:02] <afiestas_> checkout scratch repos called solid-smart
[21:06] <shadeslayer> okie
[21:07] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: what's your identity name?
[21:07] <shadeslayer> I don't want to open gitweb.kde.org :P
[21:25] <shadeslayer> ok, so I'm a bit lost with taskel, how does one make a meta package provide a task?
[21:26] <shadeslayer> or how does one define a task?
[21:27] <shadeslayer> seems like everything comes from tasksel-data
[21:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: happy independence day
[21:46] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thanks!
[21:54] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=scratch%2Fkamath%2Fsolidsmart.git&a=summary < is that it?
[22:25] <shadeslayer> gah
[22:26] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: if that's the correct repo, solidsmart/backends doesn't have a CMakeLists.txt