[01:02] <d2_> hello
[01:02] <Daskreech> Hello
[01:02] <phil_> Morning
[01:02] <d2_> anyone here ever configured something like WebRenderer Swing ?
[01:03] <d2_> its in java, suposed to launch an embebbed browser.
[01:04] <d2_> im trying to install that and call it from php code... kind of stuck, but almost there im sure.. if anyone wants to help pls :S
[01:04] <d2_> embedded *
[01:05] <phil_> have you googled it ?
[01:06] <d2_> well no sir, that had not ocurred to me
[01:06] <d2_> this google u speak of,
[01:06] <d2_> tell me more
[01:06] <Daskreech> !google
[01:07] <Daskreech> d2_: Are you having issues with the Java or the PHP ?
[01:07] <d2_> yes I iz having
[01:07] <d2_> why cant i join #php
[01:07] <phil_> this is a system problem or a code thing ?
[01:08] <Daskreech> Code
[01:09] <zombiewookie> hi
[01:09] <d2_>  phil, code problem
[01:09] <d2_> i can launch the mini java browser from console
[01:09] <d2_> so i guess its installed properly
[01:10] <d2_> im just trying to call it from php code.
[01:10] <d2_> its probably something simple im missing
[01:13] <Daskreech> try ##java ?
[01:17] <d2_> can someone invite me to #PHP ?
[01:47] <Daskreech> d2_: try ##php ?
[03:32] <eighthand> Hello
[04:51] <limboman> 大家好
[05:20] <petrusyap> hi
[05:20] <petrusyap> where can i get someone to help me with my new ubuntu installation?
[05:20] <hateball> !ask
[05:21] <petrusyap> !ask how can i enable optimus on my ubuntu 12.0.4 LTS??
[05:21] <DarthFrog> !busybee | petrusyap
[05:21] <DarthFrog> Hmm, no entry.
[05:21] <DarthFrog> petrusyap:  Investigate the busybee project.
[05:22] <DarthFrog> Or is it bumblebee?  It's one or the other. :-)
[05:22] <DarthFrog> !bumblebee
[05:22] <petrusyap> !ask how to install bumblebee? i installed but always ask me to insert the cd
[05:23] <petrusyap> !ask i try to install bumblebee, but always fail.. ask me to insert the 12.0.4 into the cdrom folder?
[05:24] <DarthFrog> petrusyap: !ask is going to get you nowhere.
[06:26] <pawan> how to run avi file
[06:33] <hateball> pawan: Can you explain further?
[06:34] <bazhang> pawan, vlc or mplayer
[06:34] <pawan> i can not view the avi format file in kubuntu
[06:34] <jussi> !avi
[06:35] <bazhang> pawan, install kubuntu-restricted-extras then
[06:38] <pawan> how to install mozilla
[06:39] <bazhang> firefox?
[06:39] <lskaglsd> what's mozilla?
[06:39] <lskaglsd> nah, he said mozilla
[06:39] <pawan> mozilla firefox
[06:39] <lskaglsd> nah dude, you definitely want mozilla
[06:39] <lskaglsd> not firefox, get the whole thing
[06:40] <bazhang> lskaglsd, please stop that
[06:41] <lskaglsd> ESAD.
[06:41] <bazhang> lskaglsd, thats uncalled for. please review the channel guidelines
[06:41] <bazhang> !guidelines | lskaglsd
[06:45] <IdleOne> pawan: sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:24] <goodtime> hahaha i installed windows 7 pro and it doesnt see my network adaptro
[07:24] <hateball> !windows
[07:24] <goodtime> i wonder when i get a usb modem if the same thing happens
[07:25] <goodtime> but with linux it just works like bam!!!
[07:25] <goodtime> go figure
[07:42] <danemerino> hi
[07:45] <goodtime> hello
[07:48] <goodtime> whats up gani
[07:48] <goodtime> nice to meet you i think lol
[07:49] <gani> goodtime: nothing much... nevemind... have i talked to you before?
[07:50] <goodtime> naw
[07:50] <goodtime> just awake ya know heh
[07:50] <gani> okay:)
[07:50] <goodtime> trying some differnt servers
[07:50] <goodtime> im usualy hitting maddshark
[07:52] <goodtime> try /server texan.maddshark.com    #maddchat
[07:52] <goodtime> or /server canada.maddshark.com
[07:53] <goodtime> good peps there
[07:53] <gani> i am quite busy  now... will do them later...
[07:53] <goodtime> been there like 15 years
[07:53] <goodtime> oic sorry man
[07:53] <OerHeks> do you have a Kubuntu support question, goodtime ?
[07:53] <goodtime> sure
[07:54] <goodtime> why do i need magnets for torrents when i upgrade to 12.04 lts
[07:54] <OerHeks> you don't.
[07:55] <goodtime> ok ill try the upgrade again but i hope im wrong ill let you know
[08:34] <Guest81857> FUCK U ALL UBUNTU DISTROS STUPID DISTROS
[08:34] <Guest81857> PIECE OF SHIT
[08:34] <Guest81857> SCUMBUGS
[08:34] <Guest81857> TRASHUBUNTU
[08:34] <Guest81857> NETWORK PROBLEMS
[08:34] <Guest81857> UNSTABLE U CALL THIS LTS RELEASE
[08:35] <Guest81857> UBUNTU DEVS SHOULD BE HANGED TILL DEATH
[08:35] <Guest81857> DEBIAN AS BASE ANOTHER STUPID THING TO DO
[08:35] <Guest81857> STUPID DEBIAN
[08:35] <FloodBotK1> Guest81857: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:35] <Guest81857> STFU
[08:35] <Guest81857> FUCK U ALL
[08:36] <FloodBotK1> Guest81857: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:36] <Guest81857> DO HELL WITH UR MANNERISMS
[08:36] <Guest81857> ALL FANBOYS
[08:36] <Guest81857> STUPID UBUNTU FANBOYS
[08:36] <Guest81857> FUCK U ALL
[08:36] <FloodBotK1> Guest81857: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:40] <jdrs> Well, that escalated at a reasonable pace.
[09:08] <hateball> jdrs: lol
[09:19] <jdrs> hateball: Funny thing is that FloodBot is asking him to post all his swearing on ubuntu paste. Haha. And suggesting not to use enter as punctutation. Maybe use "!" instead? haha.
[09:20] <hateball> :)
[09:21] <almigi> jdrs: Well, he was typing in all caps, which means he was serious!
[09:21] <almigi> and we're laughing at him.
[09:21]  * almigi hangs his head in shame
[09:21] <jdrs> You don't go crying over spilled milk.
[09:22] <almigi> unless milk is code for whiskey
[09:22] <jdrs> Okay, my bad.
[09:24] <nandhu> hi i am using amixer to get and set values Master is working for 2 type of hardware to set volumes but Mic is working in only one in other it is detecting as Mic rear ,Mic front etc . so how can we set volume of mic and speaker with regardless to what ever the hardware is using amixer or alsamixer
[09:47] <phil__> evening
[10:29] <mat619> Hi there! Probably simple question: I can't see any option to put my Kubuntu workstation to sleep. Is the standby button hidden somewhere or is my box here just not capable of S3?
[10:29] <mat619> Or in other words how do I find out.
[10:30] <monkeyjuice> kickoff , leave , sleep?
[10:31] <mat619> monkeyjuice: don't have that. so i guess KDE doesn't think this box here is capable of sleeping
[10:32] <mat619> might well be, since this workstation is based on server hardware (HP ProLiant G7)
[10:32] <mat619> afaik some server boards allow S3, others don't
[10:33] <mat619> does somebody know how to verify this? like some system file which lists which S-states this system supports?
[10:34] <mat619> besides next question - this system inherited a hard drive which was used in an ubuntu 10.04 LTS box before, hosting files. since I now want to host these from my workstation and I was not willing to create some 20+ shares by hand again, I copied all folder entries from the old system's /etc/samba/smb.conf over to this new one.
[10:35] <mat619> turns out: samba doesn't host anything. all windows and linux clients alike time out.
[10:37] <mat619> the lines in smb.conf are pretty minimalistic, for testing I even removed all the other users except for my own one. the rest looks like this:
[10:37] <mat619> path = /srv/samba/folder_ABC ,   writeable = yes ,   browseable = no ,   valid users = my_local_username
[10:37] <mat619> same line worked fine in ubuntu 10.04 but doesn't in kubuntu 12.04. any ideas why?
[10:52] <mat619> agh i'm stupid. forgot that smbpasswd was mandatory in order to enable user security authentication.
[10:52] <mat619> smbpasswd -a my_user_name, et voila, it works.
[10:57] <phil__> Hey, anyone knows how to set the brightness of screen in Kubuntu ?
[10:58] <hateball> phil__: On something like a laptop? Usually whatever hotkeys you have on those work right away
[10:59] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[10:59] <phil__> hi hateball, yes I use a laptop and I can set the brightness with hotkeys, but I have to do it everytime i start the system
[10:59] <hateball> phil__: ah!
[10:59] <phil__> could it be saved in Kubuntu ?
[10:59] <hateball> phil__: do you boot on battery?
[10:59] <mat619> phil__: you can probably set the default brightness in the BIOS, that would be a completely OS independed solution
[11:00] <hateball> phil__: otherwise, fire up krunner (alt+f2 default) and type "energy" and you will get the proper options
[11:00] <phil__> hateball: i don't get it
[11:00] <phil__> mat619: it seems not a good idea..
[11:00] <hateball> phil__: well there are different power saving profiles
[11:01] <hateball> So if you're on battery it will dim the screen and so on
[11:01] <mat619> phil__: why not? at least I personally configure the BIOS of all my laptop to run their displays on full brightness when on battery and haven't had a problem so far
[11:02] <mat619> phil__: most laptop BIOS also allow you to specify the default brightness for battery powered use
[11:02] <phil__> mat619: you mean the Kubuntu can't  remember the brightness if  i close the system ?
[11:03] <hateball> It certainly can, it does for me
[11:03] <mat619> phil__: I haven't said that. kubuntu CAN remember the brightness of your screen. it should do so by default, at least it does on my systems
[11:03] <phil__> hateball: how,  can you tell me ?
[11:04] <hateball> phil__: I just did, open the energy settings and tweak it. That should save it
[11:04] <hateball> provided you have a battery installed you should have different tabs for "on power" and "battery" etc
[11:04] <hateball> (I dont have a battery on this machine) so I might be off
[11:05] <mat619> hateball: (funny side note, my server based system here has a battery tab!? :D  probably because it has a UPS connector :D)
[11:06] <monkeyjuice> phil__:  look at system settings, power managment
[11:06] <phil__> thanks everyone , i have found it
[11:55] <arian-kde> hello
[11:55] <arian-kde> is here any body?
[11:57] <monkeyjuice> hello arian-kde
[12:06] <phil__> hell
[12:06] <phil__> hello
[12:07] <monkeyjuice> hello phil__
[12:07] <phil__> hello monkeyjuice
[12:10] <arian-kde> is there any ronak  ppa for kubuntu?
[12:23] <mat619> hmmm... what was the package name of the screensavers again?
[12:24] <mat619> kinda irritating that kubuntu ships with NO screensavers at all
[12:51] <BluesKaj> HI all
[12:52] <phil__> Hi BluesKaj, good morning
[12:52] <monkeyjuice> hey BluesKaj
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Hi phil__ , monkeyjuice
[12:55] <BluesKaj> gotta check all the filters on our phonelines , they are really noisy and the internet connection gets dumped because the dsl monitor data stream  get's too buried in the noise and the connection to the internet drops
[12:56] <monkeyjuice> you have them little filters you plug in to your phone lines?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> yeah , dsl filters
[13:06] <BluesKaj> one filter for each phone and the bell pvr ..suspect I have a bad one in the mix
[13:07] <BluesKaj> and the fax machine on the printer
[13:07] <monkeyjuice> yep they do that it seems
[13:08] <monkeyjuice> the last time i had dsl i could hear a radio station over my phone lines it was strange... they had line problems
[13:11] <BluesKaj> yeah , if the phone lines are within a few hundred yards of a transmitter that's a common problem ... we had that problem at our local ski area that had an AM radio transmitter across the road
[13:56] <epsilonorion> On ubuntu 12.04 server, occasionally when booting up my board stops on Grub.  If I then hook a keyboard up to get it passed grub, all I get is a black screen.  If I power off and power on the system and immediately respond when grub comes up, it continues past grub with no issues.  Any ideas?
[13:56] <epsilonorion> I found one idea about changing the grub.cfg file and doing a grub-update, but I thought that was not suggested anymore
[13:57] <BluesKaj> epsilonorion, what kubuntu or server version?
[13:58] <epsilonorion> up to date 12.04
[13:58] <BluesKaj> grub2 , has a root accessible cfg file , but it sounds like your timeout isn't being read
[14:00] <epsilonorion> which is what I thought.  I found one fix was to go to the .cfg file (sudo), modify the timeout under recordfail, and the grup-update
[14:00] <BluesKaj> epsilonorion, maybe you should do an update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade , then , sudo update-grub
[14:01] <BluesKaj> seems to me there was a plkg upgrade for grub recently
[14:01] <epsilonorion> i can try it and see what happens.  I did one a few days ago and no joy.  I can try again and see what happens
[14:02] <epsilonorion> sorry for the double type
[14:13] <sonic6174> my desktop is freezing on bootup, any idea how i can fix it?
[16:46] <JPP___> Hi, I have a problem the command to upgrade installed me kubuntu 12-10
[16:46] <JPP___> Is it a bad thing ?
[16:47] <ikonia> what command ?
[16:49] <JPP___> do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde -d
[16:49] <ikonia> who told you to do that
[16:49] <JPP___> my bad
[16:50] <JPP___> i had a problem during the upgrade from 11-10 to 12-04, it installed it partly but with a glitch at the end
[16:51] <JPP___> I was able to fix the glitch and I remembered that the installer was supposed to handle incomplete udpdate so i started manually the command again
[16:51] <JPP___> and in fact the update was complete
[16:52] <JPP___> so it started to install 12-10 instead
[16:52] <ikonia> depending on how /window 15
[16:52] <ikonia> oops
[16:53] <JPP___> and now i am under 12-10 it seems to work fine
[16:53] <JPP___> is it ok then ?
[16:54] <JPP___> I was not sure why it was downloadinf so many packages but it went fast
[16:54] <JPP___> i am one month and half before the official release :) I hope it is not to dangerous
[16:54] <ikonia> you told it to upgrade to a development version, it's done that
[16:54] <ikonia> and yes, it's unstable
[16:54] <JPP___> it 's the "-d" option ?
[16:55] <JPP___> I took this line from the webpage
[16:56] <ikonia> which webpage ?
[16:56] <JPP___> i am searching it
[16:57] <JPP___> there was a webpage with some screenshot of muon updater with this line
[16:57] <JPP___> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu
[16:57] <JPP___> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=upgrade2.png
[16:58] <JPP___> damned
[16:58] <JPP___> they took the screenshot before the official release
[16:58] <ikonia> so I see
[16:59] <JPP___> what is your opinion on the risks ?
[16:59] <JPP___> well, i learnt something the hard way
[17:00] <JPP___> are there people aleardy using 12-10 ?
[17:01] <jussi> Hrm, im having some issues with an update to NVIDIA driver. Ive reinstalled the driver several times via jockey, run nvidia-xconfig as root and restarted of course. Im using the nvidia current driver.  However, something isnt going right, as the Nvidia driver isnt being picked up - nvidia config tool says Im not using the nvidia driver and Ive a resolution of 800x600.
[17:06] <JPP___> i would like to disable the kdm service at startup where should i look ?
[17:08] <DarthFrog> JPP___: /etc/kde4/kdm/
[17:09] <JPP___> thx but i was thinking that the service was started by kubuntu in a more general way
[17:10] <JPP___> i have a little pbm actually if i boot normally kde does'nt start, i have to use rescue system and startx with my user
[17:11] <JPP___> then it use the nvida nouveau it seems or a vga mode i don't know but not the nvidia proprietary driver
[17:11] <JPP___> my nvidia module is blacklisted
[17:11] <JPP___> how should i do to unlist it ?
[17:16] <JPP___> does someone know where is the conf file for the main services ?
[17:16] <JPP___> where do you control that ssh is automatically started at boot for instance
[17:19] <jussi> !bum
[17:24] <JPP___> thanks
[18:11] <Daskreech> !info bum
[19:32] <Kvaks> Is there a good comic book reader for Linux?
[19:36] <OerHeks> Kvaks, Calibre can handle almost any digi book.
[19:37] <Kvaks> Thanks, checking it out.
[19:38] <vijaym1234> dude...there ?
[19:39] <vijaym1234> FloodBotK1, FloodBotK2
[19:39] <vijaym1234> FloodBotK1 ==>  FloodBotK2
[19:39] <vijaym1234> FloodBotK1 kick FloodBotK2
[19:42] <kanast> aa
[19:43] <kanast> is this working?
[19:43] <kanast> bamp...
[19:56] <asgard20032> If you didn't know, Valve is porting steam and source engine to Linux. Recently, they made a new post on their blog. Left for dead 2 now run faster on Linux than on Windows. - http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/faster-zombies/ -
[20:03] <Galvatron> Man, it's been around for quite some time.
[20:05] <asgard20032> Yeah, but i just saw it
[20:05] <Galvatron> It's likely the single most important news we've heard in the last few months.
[20:05] <asgard20032> And wanted to spread the new
[20:05] <asgard20032> I am so happy, that game industry will finally come to linux
[20:06] <Galvatron> You're  likely one of the few who haven't heard it already
[20:06] <asgard20032> And by that post, valve made the proof that Linux happen to be a better gaming platform by giving better performance
[20:06] <asgard20032> Well, its been few week I follow what steam say
[20:06] <asgard20032> But since few day, didnt checked
[20:08] <Galvatron> Linux-besad system are far lighter and better optimised than Windows, so no surprise
[20:08] <asgard20032> Yeah, but now people finally see the proof of that in gaming
[20:08] <asgard20032> So maybe Nvidia and ATI by this result will focus more on Linux for driver
[20:08] <ikonia> utter nonsense
[20:09] <ikonia> linux systems are lighter and better optimised, spew nonsense
[20:09] <doctorpepper> hi guys!!
[20:11] <Galvatron> ikonia: What do you mean?
[20:11] <ikonia> exactly what I just said
[20:11] <asgard20032> If only Blizzard could wake up... They are already using only cross platform library (don't remember the name of their physic library, but cross platform, Fmod for the sound, OpdnGL...) They could port their game so easily.
[20:14] <Galvatron> ikonia: So how is it possible, thet even the heavy-weight Kubuntu runs smoothly on configs far too weak for Windows 7 (like some Pentium IV 2-3GHZ, 1GB of RAM)?
[20:14] <ikonia> windows 7 will run on them
[20:14] <Galvatron> But just barely
[20:14] <ikonia> no it won't
[20:14] <ikonia> it will run "fine"
[20:15] <ikonia> not as good as with more, but thats the same as any OS
[20:15] <Galvatron> But it will leave you with almost no resources for anything else
[20:16] <ikonia> no more than a current kubuntu install
[20:16] <Galvatron> Especialy if Aero is active
[20:16] <ikonia> that's a video card issue
[20:16] <asgard20032> I did some benchmark
[20:16] <asgard20032> Linux always surpass Windows by 30% in most case
[20:17] <ikonia> and how are you measuring that
[20:17] <Galvatron> ikonia: Try some more demanding stuff, and your  out.
[20:17] <asgard20032> Except is 3d acceleration, where windows is better
[20:17] <ikonia> Galvatron: I do use demanding stuff
[20:17] <asgard20032> But thats only because of better driver
[20:17] <asgard20032> But now Valve is working on Driver issue
[20:17] <ikonia> asgard20032: how are you measuring this
[20:17] <asgard20032> With benchmark program
[20:18] <asgard20032> Using the same suit as phonorix
[20:18] <ikonia> asgard20032: which benchmark programs are available on both Windows and Linux ?
[20:18] <asgard20032> I downloaded most of their program
[20:18] <asgard20032> Bender
[20:18] <asgard20032> Some game offer benchmark
[20:18] <ikonia> asgard20032: which benchmark programs are available on both Windows and Linux ?
[20:18] <Galvatron> ikonia: Mostly Phoronix Test Suite
[20:19] <asgard20032> Multi-Platform: The Phoronix Test Suite traditionally has been primarily targeted at conducting Linux-based tests, but the Phoronix Test Suite will also work on OpenSolaris, Mac OS X, Windows, and BSD operating systems.
[20:19] <asgard20032> http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=features
[20:19] <apparle> hey guys.... hi
[20:19] <ikonia> asgard20032: so what where you measuring within these benchmarks ?
[20:20] <asgard20032> CPU usage
[20:20] <asgard20032> Memory
[20:20] <asgard20032> FPS
[20:20] <ikonia> under what situation ?
[20:20] <ikonia> eg: what was going on for these usage tests
[20:20] <asgard20032> In almost all case, Linux one where better for all three thing I mesured
[20:20] <asgard20032> Under benchmark situation...
[20:20] <ikonia> and you're saying %30 better
[20:21] <ikonia> sorry, that's not realistic
[20:21] <asgard20032> Sorry, I don't have exact result on me
[20:21] <ikonia> (I'm not doubting that you're run the tests)
[20:21] <asgard20032> its approximately 30%
[20:21] <asgard20032> I ran it on a gentoo
[20:21] <asgard20032> Everything compiled for my processor
[20:21] <apparle> It's been almost an year since I used kubuntu. So can someone briefly tell me the known issues while installing 12.04
[20:21] <asgard20032> i7-3770k OC 4.5 ghz
[20:22] <BluesKaj> hi apparle , I thought I recognized your nick:)
[20:22] <apparle> BluesKaj: ohh hi.. :)
[20:22] <apparle> didn't have a computer for a long time
[20:23] <apparle> BluesKaj: so what all has happened while I was away from the kubuntu world ;)
[20:24] <BluesKaj> apparle, depends on your HW and the shape it's in , but i have no probs with 12,04 on a 4yr old HP generic desktop pc
[20:25] <apparle> BluesKaj: now I have pretty new laptop, Lenovo Z570. What is the current state on Nvidia graphics... ? This one has a GT540
[20:25] <Galvatron> Kubuntu 12.04.1, with KDE 4.8.5 or 4.9,  runs smoothly on my Pentium IV 3GHz, 1,5GB of RAM and 7300GT.
[20:25] <Galvatron> apparle: They've just released another large update - 304.37
[20:25] <asgard20032> Im not an expert of benchmark, so I don't remember exaclty what program I used in the suit, I just ran every test I could, and watched the diagram, made some statistic, and about 30% in most case. Just remembered that Windows was better when it came to 3d accelaration especially, and was a little better when it came to most other graphic thing. Was my first benchmark. Next time, I will just see what is the most digit of PI i
[20:25] <asgard20032> can calculate in both environment, and the time it will take... And like I said, in most case 30%, not every, sometime, that was more close, and other, linux even was 50% better, but like 1 test on 4 was 30% better
[20:25] <BluesKaj> apparle, kubuntu is now supported financially by blue systems , rather than canonical ..the nvidia gt450 should be fine with the nvidia-current driver
[20:26] <Galvatron> apparle: Best try yourself
[20:26] <apparle> Galvatron: of course I'm :) But I was just wondering if there are any known problems I should workaround beforehand
[20:26] <asgard20032> It was after I builded my computer, just wanted to push its limit on benchmark, but I am not a benchmark professional
[20:27] <Galvatron> apparle:: But better stick to KDE 4.8.5, as 4.9 gives almost no performance increase, nor any revolutionary new featurer.
[20:27] <Galvatron> apparle: Instead, it might have some bugs, as expected from a fresh branch.
[20:28] <apparle> Galvatron: but it may have bug fixes as well
[20:28] <apparle> Galvatron: anyway, I'm the latest greatest version lover :P
[20:28] <Galvatron> Best spend a week or two with both
[20:28] <Galvatron> I've downgraded
[20:29] <apparle> Galvatron: then your experiences are surely worth sharing ?
[20:29] <BluesKaj> KDE 4.9 works fine on 12.04 here
[20:29] <asgard20032> Whats really cool in KDE 4.9?
[20:30] <apparle> is there a ISO with 4.9 or do I have to install and then update to 4.9
[20:30] <asgard20032> update
[20:30] <BluesKaj> apparle, it's in the backports
[20:30] <asgard20032> not really update, but install 4.9 package
[20:30] <Galvatron> Prior to the yeasterday downgrade I'd been testing 4.9 for almost 2 weeks
[20:30] <asgard20032> from backport
[20:30] <apparle> asgard20032: seriously... is there anything cool left to update... it's not 4.1  or 4.2... it's 4.8!
[20:31] <Galvatron> Since they had loaded it to Kubuntu Backports before they announced the release
[20:31] <BluesKaj> Galvatron, same here and there's absolutely nothing that I can report that's negative so far
[20:31] <Galvatron> I just say that there's no revolution between 4.8.5 and 4.9
[20:31] <BluesKaj> Galvatron,  that's common practice
[20:31] <apparle> I was just thinking if there was a direct way to get to 4.9 rather that from the default 12.04 4.8 and then a backport update
[20:32] <Galvatron> Kubuntu 12.10, but it makes litte to no sense
[20:32] <BluesKaj> apparle, next kernel upgrade perhaps
[20:32] <apparle> Galvatron: you should have seen the times of 4.2 to 4.4, each version had tons of *cool* updates
[20:32] <apparle> BluesKaj: you mean the kubuntu version update?
[20:32] <Galvatron> I saw
[20:33] <BluesKaj> kde 4.9 has a few issues with nvidia on 12.10
[20:33] <Galvatron> Kubuntu 9.04 and 9.10 were my first Linuxes
[20:33] <apparle> I used to love trying new versions .... even the themes and all used to change
[20:33] <apparle> :D
[20:34] <Galvatron> Then I had to migrate to GNOME, because of the decreasing performance
[20:34] <BluesKaj> no apparle , a kernel version upgrade
[20:34] <apparle> then what made you come back... 4.5 ?
[20:34] <Galvatron> I hadn't came back to Kubu until 12.04 and KDE 48
[20:35] <Galvatron> My last KDE was 4.3 or 4.4
[20:35] <asgard20032> I am a little disapointed by kubuntu
[20:35] <asgard20032> muon software center...
[20:35] <Galvatron> Than i had a long and nice time with GNOME
[20:35] <apparle> BluesKaj: how will a kernel update affect the kde version... I thought those 2 were altogether different
[20:35] <asgard20032> AkonadiTray
[20:35] <Galvatron> KDE 4.9 is extremely unlikely to make it to 12.04.x
[20:36] <asgard20032> If i click on akonadiTray, it just say a error message
[20:36] <BluesKaj> not always , sometimes kde upgrade is included
[20:36] <rork> asgard20032: you can mix your kde software with other software, so you can just install your favourite software center :)
[20:36] <Galvatron> I would even say never - If you want it, go for 12.10
[20:37] <apparle> Galvatron: yeah, true... I was just about to ask, is the beta for 12.10 out?
[20:37] <Galvatron> There's a very nice software/update manager, called Apper
[20:37] <asgard20032> I saw Apper
[20:37] <BluesKaj> try the backports , it won't fail , apparle , no more than any other major upgrade to your install
[20:37] <apparle> and someone tell me how to use ubottu once again, I've forgotten
[20:37] <Galvatron> apparle: Alpha 3, as of now
[20:37] <asgard20032> Apper is more like synaptic manager
[20:37] <asgard20032> So i like it more
[20:37] <Galvatron> Beta 1 is coming 30 VIII
[20:37] <Galvatron> Or on ^ IX
[20:38] <Galvatron> *6 IX
[20:38] <asgard20032> Muon software center lack what ubuntu software cener had
[20:38] <BluesKaj> apparle, I'm running 12.10 with KDE 4.9 ..had a couple issues , but they're solved now
[20:38] <asgard20032> Like Top Aplication (to show what is hot)
[20:38] <apparle> Galvatron: why are you not saying 30th august or 6th sept ? I assume you meant that only
[20:39] <Galvatron> I'm used to that format of dates
[20:39] <apparle> ubottu: how to call you?
[20:39] <apparle> !nvidia
[20:39] <apparle> ohh cool... the bang :)
[20:40] <asgard20032> Matrox... a canadian video card...
[20:40] <asgard20032> I live in canada...
[20:40] <apparle> Galvatron: I thought that is the convention to refer to release dates that has started recently :D
[20:40] <asgard20032> SDL 2.0 will be released in less than 2 month...
[20:41] <apparle> and are there any current issue while installing from USB drive?
[20:41] <asgard20032> Does it will go in backport then in official repo?
[20:41] <asgard20032> Or does we will have to use next Kubuntu version to use it...
[20:41] <Galvatron> Galvatron: No, it's a convention I use, untill specified otherwise.;)
[20:42] <Galvatron> asgard20032: Most likely the later
[20:42] <apparle> asgard20032: I guess there must be some sdl specific ppa for ubuntu, just google it
[20:42] <Galvatron> asgard20032: Even Chromium 20 has not made it to UBuntu 12.04.1
[20:43] <asgard20032> Because I don't want to learn an API that will be deprecated in few week...
[20:43] <apparle> Galvatron: what is the version of kde in 12.04.1 ?
[20:43] <asgard20032> SDL 1.2
[20:43] <Galvatron> But with PPAs you can always update your system, in a quasi-rolling fasion
[20:43] <Galvatron> apparle: 4.8.3 or 4.8.4 - don't remember clearly
[20:44] <Galvatron> But there's 4.8.5 in Kubuntu Updates
[20:44] <apparle> shadeslayer: hey dude... are you around ?
[20:44] <asgard20032> With KDE, there is a major Issue...
[20:44] <shadeslayer> apparle: yeah
[20:44] <asgard20032> Everytime I have a file copying...
[20:44] <asgard20032> Everything don't work
[20:44] <asgard20032> until copy finish
[20:44] <apparle> \priv shadeslayer hey
[20:45] <shadeslayer> wrong \
[20:45] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:45] <apparle> :D
[20:45] <asgard20032> On a fast system: i7-3770k OC to 4.5 ghz, 16gb of ram, Veloci raptor 500 gb
[20:45] <asgard20032> So if I try to open a program(like Konsole) while i am copying a file on KDE, the cursor will change, but the program won't open until the copy finish
[20:46] <asgard20032> I copied many GB few hour ago
[20:48] <apparle> asgard20032: is the behaviour same even if you copy using the cp command in konsole
[20:48] <asgard20032> no
[20:49] <asgard20032> Only trough KDE copy
[20:49] <asgard20032> Like if all resource was on copy
[20:53] <apparle> asgard20032: I had seen that behaviour sometimes earlier... but never regularly enough to report it
[21:27] <asgard20032> I am currently working out with the KDE team for the issue while copying
[21:27] <asgard20032> We isolated the big part at least
[21:27] <asgard20032> ITs not CPU or memory related
[21:27] <asgard20032> Its IO related
[21:27] <asgard20032> with 99% on iotop
[21:28] <apparle> can you point me to the bug, maybe I can help... or at least just stay in touch
[21:29] <asgard20032> join #kde