[11:15] <DreadKnight> anyone interested in making a patch for my proposal (mock-up included) https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/985675 ?
[11:16] <DreadKnight> there's a lot of positive feedback and interest in it
[11:16] <DreadKnight> and it should improve Unity and the panel a lot for most people
[11:16] <DreadKnight> shouldn't be too hard to code imo
[11:26] <ESphynx>  what's with no option to skip the disk encryption in Quantal installation??
[11:27] <leoquant> diskencryption is something with comes with the alternate iso afaik...?
[11:29] <ESphynx> alternate iso?
[11:29] <ESphynx> I downloaded quantal-desktop-i386.iso
[11:29] <Debolaz> ESphynx: It's a new feature afaik, you might just have gotten a build made at a bad time.
[11:30] <ESphynx> so thee will be an option? :P
[11:31] <leoquant> maybe ESphynx, but i haven't seen in my install
[11:31] <leoquant> it
[11:32] <ESphynx> k, thx
[11:33] <philinux> ESphynx: discussion here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2040410
[11:44] <philinux> ESphynx: any help that link
[11:44] <ESphynx> philinux: well it's saying it's a bug P
[11:44] <ESphynx> :P
[11:45] <philinux> indeed
[11:46] <ESphynx> hehe , thx! was just making sure it's planned to be fixed, not forcing ppl :P
[12:25] <philinux> Anyone noticed that update-notifier does not run? It hangs due to multiple fontconfig errors
[12:25] <ESphynx> quantal just died in my VM after a reboot
[12:25] <smartboyhw> quantal sucks in VMWare
[12:26] <smartboyhw> Use Oracle VM Virtualbox
[12:26] <ESphynx> using VBox already
[12:26] <smartboyhw> OK
[12:26] <smartboyhw> That shouldn't happen
[12:26] <ESphynx> can I move the dock to the right?
[12:26] <philinux> no
[12:26] <ESphynx> well , it's not up to date
[12:26] <ESphynx> SERIOUSLY
[12:26] <ESphynx> guys
[12:26] <ESphynx> someone PLEASE fix unity
[12:27] <Pici> Is there  abug filed for your issue?
[12:27] <philinux> ESphynx: There was talk of an option on the right for right to left language users
[12:27] <ESphynx> Pici I wish there is
[12:27] <ESphynx> it's not about language
[12:27] <ESphynx> iut's about the mouse
[12:27] <ESphynx> the mouse is on the right for most people
[12:27] <philinux> MS says left
[12:27] <ESphynx> and you have more wrist flexibility to the right
[12:27] <ESphynx> MS always had a moveable startbar
[12:28] <philinux> Mark S
[12:28] <ESphynx> your wrist flexible to the right, to get the mouse all the way to the edge
[12:28] <ESphynx> well I completely hate Unity
[12:28] <Pici> Then don't use it.  I don't.
[12:28] <ESphynx> it's totally broken.
[12:28] <philinux> ESphynx: use classic or xfce
[12:28] <ESphynx> it messes up hotkeys
[12:28] <ESphynx> in precise, alt-tab crashed the system
[12:28] <ESphynx> well no I use Windows 7 until I'm done writing my own DE :P
[12:29] <ESphynx> and now, i'm just trying to get a terminal...
[12:29] <ESphynx> that should be easy to get a terminal on Linux.
[12:30] <ESphynx> (also Unity does something funky with WM... my app gets a double menu and then the clicking area iscompletely off... not sure how much of that is my X11 code's fault...)
[12:30] <philinux> ESphynx: I mapped the menu key to terminal
[12:30] <ESphynx> but out of the box?
[12:30] <ESphynx> a terminal should not be more than 3 clicks away
[12:30] <smartboyhw> Ctrl+alt+t
[12:31] <ESphynx> wth is recent apps?
[12:31] <ESphynx> why not a list of apps?
[12:31] <ESphynx> seriously guys.
[12:32] <Pici> Because thats what the User Experience folks want.  You don't need to use it if you don't like it.
[12:32] <ESphynx> Unity is a total flop. drop it.
[12:32] <ESphynx> nobody wants to use it, everybody hates it
[12:32] <Pici> ESphynx: We're users here, not the people who make those descisions.
[12:32] <smartboyhw> ESphynx: That's difficult
[12:32] <smartboyhw> What's the unity channel in IRC?
[12:32] <ESphynx> I thought Ubuntu was a community thing :P
[12:33] <smartboyhw> ESphynx: It's been maintained by a group of developers
[12:33] <Pici> ESphynx: That doesn't mean that everyone has the power to make changes.
[12:33] <smartboyhw> Pici is correct
[12:33] <philinux> ESphynx: just hit the apps icon in dash and then filter results - simples
[12:33] <ESphynx> right, but if the users show the developers they will listen :P
[12:33] <smartboyhw> Hopefully
[12:34] <smartboyhw> Go to #ubuntu-unity to complain
[12:34] <Pici> The developers don't just pull these ideas out of thin air, they follow the design specifications.
[12:34] <ESphynx> (I still havne't found my terminal)
[12:35] <philinux> ESphynx: dash then type ter
[12:35] <ESphynx> where do those come from?
[12:35] <philinux> ESphynx: you might like this... http://www.iloveubuntu.net/learn-how-customize-ubuntu-1204s-unity-unity-customization-guide-10-free-72-pages-pdf-book
[12:35] <ESphynx> philinux: If i wanted to use the keyboard, I would have Ctrl-Alt-F1'ed. (hope taht still works)
[12:35] <philinux> ctrl alt t
[12:35] <ESphynx> my concern is how Ubuntu was a decent Linux distro out of the box.
[12:35] <ESphynx> and it's not anymore
[12:35] <philinux> unless you've tweaked stuff
[12:36] <ESphynx> typing term does give it to me :P
[12:36] <philinux> ESphynx: I'll have to agree to disagree. it works just fine here and 12.10 unity 6.2 is awesome
[12:36] <ESphynx> but I didn't want to type term :P
[12:36] <ESphynx> philinux you think so?
[12:36] <philinux> ESphynx: now lock it to launcher
[12:36] <ESphynx> damn right I will :P
[12:37] <Pici> I was an open source conference this past weekend, there were a surprising number of 'power users' using Unity there.
[12:37] <philinux> ESphynx: however go to keyboard shortcuts and map it to the menu key. The unused key between Alt GR and Ctrl.
[12:38] <philinux> Simples
[12:38] <DreadKnight> unity could be way better with a small patch :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/985675
[12:39] <ESphynx> Pici: they didn't have a choice :P
[12:40] <hinjuzqiG> m
[12:46] <hinjuzqiG> hi
[12:51] <BluesKaj> HI all
[13:07] <peterrus> anyone knows if bluetooth A2DP is broken in current Quantal
[17:55] <ActionParsnip> Maccer: the test you posted is ONLY on intel
[17:56] <ActionParsnip> so ow do they get 'faster on intel'?
[17:56] <ActionParsnip> Maccer: or do they mean it has been made faster on the same intel hardware
[17:56] <Maccer> that's the thing, phoronix is always kind of vague as always
[17:56] <Maccer> let me dig around
[17:57] <ActionParsnip> Maccer: its also a poor test as there are too many tngs different
[17:57] <ActionParsnip> between the releases you can agree
[17:58] <Maccer> well, they upgraded the kernel from 3.2 to 3.5, which could include some intel specific optimizations
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> Maccer: also remember how well intel work with Linux and the kernel team ;)
[17:58] <Maccer> un...fortunately, also a lot of these tests are graphical, so there's another thing
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> Maccer: plus later Xorg and so forth
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> Maccer: Xorg isquite important for graphical things...
[17:59] <Maccer> phoronix is actually using the old mesa libraries though (8.0), you could see possibly even more improvements... maybe not significant though
[18:00] <ActionParsnip> its a poor test, but you can prove anything with stats
[18:01] <Maccer> This also might apply less to xubuntu since they mentioned some unity performance improvements, but eh, who knows
[18:01] <Maccer> I didn't know my girlfr-, unity was that much of a hog
[18:02] <Maccer> (letrolledhardxd)
[18:09] <ActionParsnip> Could try LXDE if you want a snappy OS
[18:11] <Maccer> The only reason I use xubuntu because it's closest to the traditional, pre-unity, windows-like, desktop
[18:11] <Maccer> And it makes xfce components work together really well
[18:18] <ActionParsnip> indeed, plus its gtk based, so will run your gnome apps with fewer deps
[18:19]  * Debolaz hugs Unity.
[18:20] <Maccer> Meh, I don't have a problem with unity, it's just not my style
[18:20] <Maccer> I love taskbars
[18:20] <Maccer> ... at the bottom.
[18:20] <Debolaz> My other desktop is a Mac though, maybe that explains why I tolerate the launcher better. :-)
[18:21]  * Debolaz wrote a blog post addressing some criticisms with Unity today.
[18:23] <Maccer> People think unity is terrible... people think XFCE is butt-ugly... I mean... the eff, man?
[18:24] <Maccer> Probably the second most modular DE/WM next to KDE
[18:24] <Debolaz> I actually do think Unity is butt-ugly. :-)
[18:25] <Maccer> u w0t.
[18:25] <Debolaz> I tolerate the lack of style, because its so functional. :)
[18:42] <wilee-nilee> Maccer, can you show proof of most.
[18:42] <Maccer> hrm?
[18:42] <Maccer> proof regarding what?  the phoronix article about intel performance improvements in 12.10?
[18:43] <wilee-nilee> Maccer, that data is not available that most users do not like unity is what I mean it is a mater of the words used and what YOU mean.
[18:45] <Maccer> Oh, my the general consensus I got was such from early complaints and from le reddit/slashdot.
[18:46] <Maccer> I don't think most people would die from it, they just don't prefer the interface since most of pre-unity interfaces were... close to windows-style
[18:47] <high-rez> I'm having troubles with X.org in +1...  It appears Xorg is crashing under specific conditions.  Any time I start kde, or anytime I start firefox udner xfce etc.  Is this known ?
[18:48] <trism> high-rez: are you running -proposed?
[18:49] <high-rez> Yeah, I have proposed in my sources.list
[18:50] <trism> high-rez: yes the version in proposed is aborting for some people, bug 1033142 (I thought there was another one too, but I can't seem to find it)
[18:52] <trism> high-rez: ahh, bug 1033533
[18:54] <high-rez> Cool - at least I'm not alone ;-)
[19:03] <bekks> hi
[19:03] <bekks> can someone please assist me in installing 12.10 on a PPC?
[19:05] <bekks> whatever I choose for the partitioning method, I always get a "Failed to remove conflicting files" error, just after creating the / filesystem.
[19:40] <ActionParsnip> Debolaz: which part do you not like?
[22:47] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. still cant get html5 going.. cant get web apps going either..
[22:49] <bobweaver> Dr_Willis,  I am testing right now I can not get a application to read it
[22:49] <bobweaver> Dr_Willis,  do you have qt-creator installed ?
[22:49] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..  also noticed today that Unity3d is not working. :) using unity2d. but 3d drivers seem to be working.
[22:50] <Dr_Willis> installing it now. :) sudo apt-get install qtcreator
[22:50] <Dr_Willis> oops.
[22:51] <bobweaver> Dr_Willis, once installed you can make html5 apps with it
[22:51] <bobweaver> to test to see if the video works with out flash because the html5 thingy has no flash
[22:52] <bobweaver> like for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2UxTqbMHaY&webm=1   (dont work ) I will take screen shot
[22:52] <Dr_Willis> installing it.. Checking webapps while im waiting. :) still not seemng to work. gmail.com gives me no dialog/requestor..
[22:53] <Dr_Willis> Ok. qtcreator up and running..
[22:53] <bobweaver> ok go to file -> create new project
[22:53] <Dr_Willis> looks nifty. :)
[22:53] <bobweaver> then select html5
[22:54] <bobweaver> best IDE imho for linux (c++) & all the qml qt stuff
[22:54] <bobweaver> here is that picture http://imagebin.org/224568
[22:54] <bobweaver> that is with ?webm=1
[22:55] <bobweaver> Dr_Willis,  after you name your program you can pick a url to copy from
[22:55] <bobweaver> then just press next till you get to the IDE again then press the green play button in the bottom left
[22:56] <Dr_Willis> allready ahead of you. :) got my own little browser.. how nifty
[22:56] <Dr_Willis> Video is virrently Unavailable..
[22:56] <bobweaver> then it will not work with html5
[22:56] <Dr_Willis> and its trying html5 it seems when i right click on the video window.
[22:56] <bobweaver> you added ?webm=1 correct ?
[22:57] <Dr_Willis> yep
[22:57] <bobweaver> at the end of the link well yeah you did if it says that it is un-avilble
[22:57] <bobweaver> This is the tool that is used (preferable) to build unity 2d
[22:58] <Dr_Willis> clicking on other video links same error for them all.
[22:58] <Dr_Willis> Oh wait.. one worked! ;)
[22:58] <Dr_Willis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34IvWAefyjA&feature=player_detailpage
[22:59] <Dr_Willis> Going have to play with Qtcreator some more  in the future.  Im out of touch with the latest cool apps
[23:02] <bobweaver> Dr_Willis,  just rember that it can open 1) CMakeList.txt files and also qml.projects
[23:02] <bobweaver> sorry about the 1) thingy
[23:02] <Dr_Willis> if i only knew what those were.. ;)
[23:02] <Dr_Willis> I just dont have a need to code much in my daily life.
[23:02] <bobweaver> CmakeList.txt are instuctions for building packages (c++) using cmake or qmake
[23:03] <bobweaver> like how make has Makefile
[23:05] <bobweaver> the power of qt-creator !    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMgQpS8F6_o&feature=g-upl
[23:05] <bobweaver> that is me building ubuntu tv with qt-creator :)
[23:05] <Dr_Willis> last major programing i did was in college with my Amiga and its "CanDo!" tool :)
[23:10] <bobweaver> ! yes
[23:10] <bobweaver> Dr_Willis, try big buck bunny   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE7VzlLtp-4&webm=1
[23:10] <bobweaver> change the main.cpp
[23:11] <bobweaver> then save (ctrl+s) then run (ctrl+r)
[23:12] <bobweaver> Dr_Willis,  http://imagebin.org/224571
[23:13] <bobweaver> :)
[23:13] <bobweaver> enjoy
[23:17] <bobweaver> I guess the real power would be to make something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4kv-AoAJ-Q     that uses webm cool stuff
[23:19] <Dr_Willis> Now i got a headache. ;P