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| DreadKnight | anyone interested in making a patch for my proposal (mock-up included) https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/985675 ? | 11:15 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 985675 in unity (Ubuntu) "Launcher: Improved accordion effect behavior by prioritizing running applications." [Undecided,Incomplete] | 11:15 |
| DreadKnight | there's a lot of positive feedback and interest in it | 11:16 |
| DreadKnight | and it should improve Unity and the panel a lot for most people | 11:16 |
| DreadKnight | shouldn't be too hard to code imo | 11:16 |
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| ESphynx | what's with no option to skip the disk encryption in Quantal installation?? | 11:26 |
| leoquant | diskencryption is something with comes with the alternate iso afaik...? | 11:27 |
| ESphynx | alternate iso? | 11:29 |
| ESphynx | I downloaded quantal-desktop-i386.iso | 11:29 |
| Debolaz | ESphynx: It's a new feature afaik, you might just have gotten a build made at a bad time. | 11:29 |
| ESphynx | so thee will be an option? :P | 11:30 |
| leoquant | maybe ESphynx, but i haven't seen in my install | 11:31 |
| leoquant | it | 11:31 |
| ESphynx | k, thx | 11:32 |
| philinux | ESphynx: discussion here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2040410 | 11:33 |
| philinux | ESphynx: any help that link | 11:44 |
| ESphynx | philinux: well it's saying it's a bug P | 11:44 |
| ESphynx | :P | 11:44 |
| philinux | indeed | 11:45 |
| ESphynx | hehe , thx! was just making sure it's planned to be fixed, not forcing ppl :P | 11:46 |
| philinux | Anyone noticed that update-notifier does not run? It hangs due to multiple fontconfig errors | 12:25 |
| ESphynx | quantal just died in my VM after a reboot | 12:25 |
| smartboyhw | quantal sucks in VMWare | 12:25 |
| smartboyhw | Use Oracle VM Virtualbox | 12:26 |
| ESphynx | using VBox already | 12:26 |
| smartboyhw | OK | 12:26 |
| smartboyhw | That shouldn't happen | 12:26 |
| ESphynx | can I move the dock to the right? | 12:26 |
| philinux | no | 12:26 |
| ESphynx | well , it's not up to date | 12:26 |
| ESphynx | SERIOUSLY | 12:26 |
| ESphynx | guys | 12:26 |
| ESphynx | someone PLEASE fix unity | 12:26 |
| Pici | Is there abug filed for your issue? | 12:27 |
| philinux | ESphynx: There was talk of an option on the right for right to left language users | 12:27 |
| ESphynx | Pici I wish there is | 12:27 |
| ESphynx | it's not about language | 12:27 |
| ESphynx | iut's about the mouse | 12:27 |
| ESphynx | the mouse is on the right for most people | 12:27 |
| philinux | MS says left | 12:27 |
| ESphynx | and you have more wrist flexibility to the right | 12:27 |
| ESphynx | MS always had a moveable startbar | 12:27 |
| philinux | Mark S | 12:28 |
| ESphynx | your wrist flexible to the right, to get the mouse all the way to the edge | 12:28 |
| ESphynx | well I completely hate Unity | 12:28 |
| Pici | Then don't use it. I don't. | 12:28 |
| ESphynx | it's totally broken. | 12:28 |
| philinux | ESphynx: use classic or xfce | 12:28 |
| ESphynx | it messes up hotkeys | 12:28 |
| ESphynx | in precise, alt-tab crashed the system | 12:28 |
| ESphynx | well no I use Windows 7 until I'm done writing my own DE :P | 12:28 |
| ESphynx | and now, i'm just trying to get a terminal... | 12:29 |
| ESphynx | that should be easy to get a terminal on Linux. | 12:29 |
| ESphynx | (also Unity does something funky with WM... my app gets a double menu and then the clicking area iscompletely off... not sure how much of that is my X11 code's fault...) | 12:30 |
| philinux | ESphynx: I mapped the menu key to terminal | 12:30 |
| ESphynx | but out of the box? | 12:30 |
| ESphynx | a terminal should not be more than 3 clicks away | 12:30 |
| smartboyhw | Ctrl+alt+t | 12:30 |
| ESphynx | wth is recent apps? | 12:31 |
| ESphynx | why not a list of apps? | 12:31 |
| ESphynx | seriously guys. | 12:31 |
| Pici | Because thats what the User Experience folks want. You don't need to use it if you don't like it. | 12:32 |
| ESphynx | Unity is a total flop. drop it. | 12:32 |
| ESphynx | nobody wants to use it, everybody hates it | 12:32 |
| Pici | ESphynx: We're users here, not the people who make those descisions. | 12:32 |
| smartboyhw | ESphynx: That's difficult | 12:32 |
| smartboyhw | What's the unity channel in IRC? | 12:32 |
| ESphynx | I thought Ubuntu was a community thing :P | 12:32 |
| smartboyhw | ESphynx: It's been maintained by a group of developers | 12:33 |
| Pici | ESphynx: That doesn't mean that everyone has the power to make changes. | 12:33 |
| smartboyhw | Pici is correct | 12:33 |
| philinux | ESphynx: just hit the apps icon in dash and then filter results - simples | 12:33 |
| ESphynx | right, but if the users show the developers they will listen :P | 12:33 |
| smartboyhw | Hopefully | 12:33 |
| smartboyhw | Go to #ubuntu-unity to complain | 12:34 |
| Pici | The developers don't just pull these ideas out of thin air, they follow the design specifications. | 12:34 |
| ESphynx | (I still havne't found my terminal) | 12:34 |
| philinux | ESphynx: dash then type ter | 12:35 |
| ESphynx | where do those come from? | 12:35 |
| philinux | ESphynx: you might like this... http://www.iloveubuntu.net/learn-how-customize-ubuntu-1204s-unity-unity-customization-guide-10-free-72-pages-pdf-book | 12:35 |
| ESphynx | philinux: If i wanted to use the keyboard, I would have Ctrl-Alt-F1'ed. (hope taht still works) | 12:35 |
| philinux | ctrl alt t | 12:35 |
| ESphynx | my concern is how Ubuntu was a decent Linux distro out of the box. | 12:35 |
| ESphynx | and it's not anymore | 12:35 |
| philinux | unless you've tweaked stuff | 12:35 |
| ESphynx | typing term does give it to me :P | 12:36 |
| philinux | ESphynx: I'll have to agree to disagree. it works just fine here and 12.10 unity 6.2 is awesome | 12:36 |
| ESphynx | but I didn't want to type term :P | 12:36 |
| ESphynx | philinux you think so? | 12:36 |
| philinux | ESphynx: now lock it to launcher | 12:36 |
| ESphynx | damn right I will :P | 12:36 |
| Pici | I was an open source conference this past weekend, there were a surprising number of 'power users' using Unity there. | 12:37 |
| philinux | ESphynx: however go to keyboard shortcuts and map it to the menu key. The unused key between Alt GR and Ctrl. | 12:37 |
| philinux | Simples | 12:38 |
| DreadKnight | unity could be way better with a small patch :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/985675 | 12:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 985675 in unity (Ubuntu) "Launcher: Improved accordion effect behavior by prioritizing running applications." [Undecided,Incomplete] | 12:38 |
| ESphynx | Pici: they didn't have a choice :P | 12:39 |
| hinjuzqiG | m | 12:40 |
| hinjuzqiG | hi | 12:46 |
| BluesKaj | HI all | 12:51 |
| peterrus | anyone knows if bluetooth A2DP is broken in current Quantal | 13:07 |
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| ActionParsnip | Maccer: the test you posted is ONLY on intel | 17:55 |
| ActionParsnip | so ow do they get 'faster on intel'? | 17:56 |
| ActionParsnip | Maccer: or do they mean it has been made faster on the same intel hardware | 17:56 |
| Maccer | that's the thing, phoronix is always kind of vague as always | 17:56 |
| Maccer | let me dig around | 17:56 |
| ActionParsnip | Maccer: its also a poor test as there are too many tngs different | 17:57 |
| ActionParsnip | between the releases you can agree | 17:57 |
| Maccer | well, they upgraded the kernel from 3.2 to 3.5, which could include some intel specific optimizations | 17:58 |
| ActionParsnip | Maccer: also remember how well intel work with Linux and the kernel team ;) | 17:58 |
| Maccer | un...fortunately, also a lot of these tests are graphical, so there's another thing | 17:58 |
| ActionParsnip | Maccer: plus later Xorg and so forth | 17:58 |
| ActionParsnip | Maccer: Xorg isquite important for graphical things... | 17:58 |
| Maccer | phoronix is actually using the old mesa libraries though (8.0), you could see possibly even more improvements... maybe not significant though | 17:59 |
| ActionParsnip | its a poor test, but you can prove anything with stats | 18:00 |
| Maccer | This also might apply less to xubuntu since they mentioned some unity performance improvements, but eh, who knows | 18:01 |
| Maccer | I didn't know my girlfr-, unity was that much of a hog | 18:01 |
| Maccer | (letrolledhardxd) | 18:02 |
| ActionParsnip | Could try LXDE if you want a snappy OS | 18:09 |
| Maccer | The only reason I use xubuntu because it's closest to the traditional, pre-unity, windows-like, desktop | 18:11 |
| Maccer | And it makes xfce components work together really well | 18:11 |
| ActionParsnip | indeed, plus its gtk based, so will run your gnome apps with fewer deps | 18:18 |
| * Debolaz hugs Unity. | 18:19 | |
| Maccer | Meh, I don't have a problem with unity, it's just not my style | 18:20 |
| Maccer | I love taskbars | 18:20 |
| Maccer | ... at the bottom. | 18:20 |
| Debolaz | My other desktop is a Mac though, maybe that explains why I tolerate the launcher better. :-) | 18:20 |
| * Debolaz wrote a blog post addressing some criticisms with Unity today. | 18:21 | |
| Maccer | People think unity is terrible... people think XFCE is butt-ugly... I mean... the eff, man? | 18:23 |
| Maccer | Probably the second most modular DE/WM next to KDE | 18:24 |
| Debolaz | I actually do think Unity is butt-ugly. :-) | 18:24 |
| Maccer | u w0t. | 18:25 |
| Debolaz | I tolerate the lack of style, because its so functional. :) | 18:25 |
| wilee-nilee | Maccer, can you show proof of most. | 18:42 |
| Maccer | hrm? | 18:42 |
| Maccer | proof regarding what? the phoronix article about intel performance improvements in 12.10? | 18:42 |
| wilee-nilee | Maccer, that data is not available that most users do not like unity is what I mean it is a mater of the words used and what YOU mean. | 18:43 |
| Maccer | Oh, my the general consensus I got was such from early complaints and from le reddit/slashdot. | 18:45 |
| Maccer | I don't think most people would die from it, they just don't prefer the interface since most of pre-unity interfaces were... close to windows-style | 18:46 |
| high-rez | I'm having troubles with X.org in +1... It appears Xorg is crashing under specific conditions. Any time I start kde, or anytime I start firefox udner xfce etc. Is this known ? | 18:47 |
| trism | high-rez: are you running -proposed? | 18:48 |
| high-rez | Yeah, I have proposed in my sources.list | 18:49 |
| trism | high-rez: yes the version in proposed is aborting for some people, bug 1033142 (I thought there was another one too, but I can't seem to find it) | 18:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1033142 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGABRT in dixGetPrivate()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033142 | 18:50 |
| trism | high-rez: ahh, bug 1033533 | 18:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1033533 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGABRT" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033533 | 18:52 |
| high-rez | Cool - at least I'm not alone ;-) | 18:54 |
| bekks | hi | 19:03 |
| bekks | can someone please assist me in installing 12.10 on a PPC? | 19:03 |
| bekks | whatever I choose for the partitioning method, I always get a "Failed to remove conflicting files" error, just after creating the / filesystem. | 19:05 |
| ActionParsnip | Debolaz: which part do you not like? | 19:40 |
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| Dr_Willis | Hmm. still cant get html5 going.. cant get web apps going either.. | 22:47 |
| bobweaver | Dr_Willis, I am testing right now I can not get a application to read it | 22:49 |
| bobweaver | Dr_Willis, do you have qt-creator installed ? | 22:49 |
| Dr_Willis | Hmm.. also noticed today that Unity3d is not working. :) using unity2d. but 3d drivers seem to be working. | 22:49 |
| Dr_Willis | installing it now. :) sudo apt-get install qtcreator | 22:50 |
| Dr_Willis | oops. | 22:50 |
| bobweaver | Dr_Willis, once installed you can make html5 apps with it | 22:51 |
| bobweaver | to test to see if the video works with out flash because the html5 thingy has no flash | 22:51 |
| bobweaver | like for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2UxTqbMHaY&webm=1 (dont work ) I will take screen shot | 22:52 |
| Dr_Willis | installing it.. Checking webapps while im waiting. :) still not seemng to work. gmail.com gives me no dialog/requestor.. | 22:52 |
| Dr_Willis | Ok. qtcreator up and running.. | 22:53 |
| bobweaver | ok go to file -> create new project | 22:53 |
| Dr_Willis | looks nifty. :) | 22:53 |
| bobweaver | then select html5 | 22:53 |
| bobweaver | best IDE imho for linux (c++) & all the qml qt stuff | 22:54 |
| bobweaver | here is that picture http://imagebin.org/224568 | 22:54 |
| bobweaver | that is with ?webm=1 | 22:54 |
| bobweaver | Dr_Willis, after you name your program you can pick a url to copy from | 22:55 |
| bobweaver | then just press next till you get to the IDE again then press the green play button in the bottom left | 22:55 |
| Dr_Willis | allready ahead of you. :) got my own little browser.. how nifty | 22:56 |
| Dr_Willis | Video is virrently Unavailable.. | 22:56 |
| bobweaver | then it will not work with html5 | 22:56 |
| Dr_Willis | and its trying html5 it seems when i right click on the video window. | 22:56 |
| bobweaver | you added ?webm=1 correct ? | 22:56 |
| Dr_Willis | yep | 22:57 |
| bobweaver | at the end of the link well yeah you did if it says that it is un-avilble | 22:57 |
| bobweaver | This is the tool that is used (preferable) to build unity 2d | 22:57 |
| Dr_Willis | clicking on other video links same error for them all. | 22:58 |
| Dr_Willis | Oh wait.. one worked! ;) | 22:58 |
| Dr_Willis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34IvWAefyjA&feature=player_detailpage | 22:58 |
| Dr_Willis | Going have to play with Qtcreator some more in the future. Im out of touch with the latest cool apps | 22:59 |
| bobweaver | Dr_Willis, just rember that it can open 1) CMakeList.txt files and also qml.projects | 23:02 |
| bobweaver | sorry about the 1) thingy | 23:02 |
| Dr_Willis | if i only knew what those were.. ;) | 23:02 |
| Dr_Willis | I just dont have a need to code much in my daily life. | 23:02 |
| bobweaver | CmakeList.txt are instuctions for building packages (c++) using cmake or qmake | 23:02 |
| bobweaver | like how make has Makefile | 23:03 |
| bobweaver | the power of qt-creator ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMgQpS8F6_o&feature=g-upl | 23:05 |
| bobweaver | that is me building ubuntu tv with qt-creator :) | 23:05 |
| Dr_Willis | last major programing i did was in college with my Amiga and its "CanDo!" tool :) | 23:05 |
| bobweaver | ! yes | 23:10 |
| bobweaver | Dr_Willis, try big buck bunny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE7VzlLtp-4&webm=1 | 23:10 |
| bobweaver | change the main.cpp | 23:10 |
| bobweaver | then save (ctrl+s) then run (ctrl+r) | 23:11 |
| bobweaver | Dr_Willis, http://imagebin.org/224571 | 23:12 |
| bobweaver | :) | 23:13 |
| bobweaver | enjoy | 23:13 |
| bobweaver | I guess the real power would be to make something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4kv-AoAJ-Q that uses webm cool stuff | 23:17 |
| Dr_Willis | Now i got a headache. ;P | 23:19 |
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