=== raindog is now known as Guest96701 === emma is now known as em === trijntje_ is now known as trijntje === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:15] anyone interested in making a patch for my proposal (mock-up included) https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/985675 ? [11:15] Launchpad bug 985675 in unity (Ubuntu) "Launcher: Improved accordion effect behavior by prioritizing running applications." [Undecided,Incomplete] [11:16] there's a lot of positive feedback and interest in it [11:16] and it should improve Unity and the panel a lot for most people [11:16] shouldn't be too hard to code imo === peterrus- is now known as peterrus [11:26] what's with no option to skip the disk encryption in Quantal installation?? [11:27] diskencryption is something with comes with the alternate iso afaik...? [11:29] alternate iso? [11:29] I downloaded quantal-desktop-i386.iso [11:29] ESphynx: It's a new feature afaik, you might just have gotten a build made at a bad time. [11:30] so thee will be an option? :P [11:31] maybe ESphynx, but i haven't seen in my install [11:31] it [11:32] k, thx [11:33] ESphynx: discussion here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2040410 [11:44] ESphynx: any help that link [11:44] philinux: well it's saying it's a bug P [11:44] :P [11:45] indeed [11:46] hehe , thx! was just making sure it's planned to be fixed, not forcing ppl :P [12:25] Anyone noticed that update-notifier does not run? It hangs due to multiple fontconfig errors [12:25] quantal just died in my VM after a reboot [12:25] quantal sucks in VMWare [12:26] Use Oracle VM Virtualbox [12:26] using VBox already [12:26] OK [12:26] That shouldn't happen [12:26] can I move the dock to the right? [12:26] no [12:26] well , it's not up to date [12:26] SERIOUSLY [12:26] guys [12:26] someone PLEASE fix unity [12:27] Is there abug filed for your issue? [12:27] ESphynx: There was talk of an option on the right for right to left language users [12:27] Pici I wish there is [12:27] it's not about language [12:27] iut's about the mouse [12:27] the mouse is on the right for most people [12:27] MS says left [12:27] and you have more wrist flexibility to the right [12:27] MS always had a moveable startbar [12:28] Mark S [12:28] your wrist flexible to the right, to get the mouse all the way to the edge [12:28] well I completely hate Unity [12:28] Then don't use it. I don't. [12:28] it's totally broken. [12:28] ESphynx: use classic or xfce [12:28] it messes up hotkeys [12:28] in precise, alt-tab crashed the system [12:28] well no I use Windows 7 until I'm done writing my own DE :P [12:29] and now, i'm just trying to get a terminal... [12:29] that should be easy to get a terminal on Linux. [12:30] (also Unity does something funky with WM... my app gets a double menu and then the clicking area iscompletely off... not sure how much of that is my X11 code's fault...) [12:30] ESphynx: I mapped the menu key to terminal [12:30] but out of the box? [12:30] a terminal should not be more than 3 clicks away [12:30] Ctrl+alt+t [12:31] wth is recent apps? [12:31] why not a list of apps? [12:31] seriously guys. [12:32] Because thats what the User Experience folks want. You don't need to use it if you don't like it. [12:32] Unity is a total flop. drop it. [12:32] nobody wants to use it, everybody hates it [12:32] ESphynx: We're users here, not the people who make those descisions. [12:32] ESphynx: That's difficult [12:32] What's the unity channel in IRC? [12:32] I thought Ubuntu was a community thing :P [12:33] ESphynx: It's been maintained by a group of developers [12:33] ESphynx: That doesn't mean that everyone has the power to make changes. [12:33] Pici is correct [12:33] ESphynx: just hit the apps icon in dash and then filter results - simples [12:33] right, but if the users show the developers they will listen :P [12:33] Hopefully [12:34] Go to #ubuntu-unity to complain [12:34] The developers don't just pull these ideas out of thin air, they follow the design specifications. [12:34] (I still havne't found my terminal) [12:35] ESphynx: dash then type ter [12:35] where do those come from? [12:35] ESphynx: you might like this... http://www.iloveubuntu.net/learn-how-customize-ubuntu-1204s-unity-unity-customization-guide-10-free-72-pages-pdf-book [12:35] philinux: If i wanted to use the keyboard, I would have Ctrl-Alt-F1'ed. (hope taht still works) [12:35] ctrl alt t [12:35] my concern is how Ubuntu was a decent Linux distro out of the box. [12:35] and it's not anymore [12:35] unless you've tweaked stuff [12:36] typing term does give it to me :P [12:36] ESphynx: I'll have to agree to disagree. it works just fine here and 12.10 unity 6.2 is awesome [12:36] but I didn't want to type term :P [12:36] philinux you think so? [12:36] ESphynx: now lock it to launcher [12:36] damn right I will :P [12:37] I was an open source conference this past weekend, there were a surprising number of 'power users' using Unity there. [12:37] ESphynx: however go to keyboard shortcuts and map it to the menu key. The unused key between Alt GR and Ctrl. [12:38] Simples [12:38] unity could be way better with a small patch :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/985675 [12:38] Launchpad bug 985675 in unity (Ubuntu) "Launcher: Improved accordion effect behavior by prioritizing running applications." [Undecided,Incomplete] [12:39] Pici: they didn't have a choice :P [12:40] m [12:46] hi [12:51] HI all [13:07] anyone knows if bluetooth A2DP is broken in current Quantal === Z_God_Z is now known as Z_God [17:55] Maccer: the test you posted is ONLY on intel [17:56] so ow do they get 'faster on intel'? [17:56] Maccer: or do they mean it has been made faster on the same intel hardware [17:56] that's the thing, phoronix is always kind of vague as always [17:56] let me dig around [17:57] Maccer: its also a poor test as there are too many tngs different [17:57] between the releases you can agree [17:58] well, they upgraded the kernel from 3.2 to 3.5, which could include some intel specific optimizations [17:58] Maccer: also remember how well intel work with Linux and the kernel team ;) [17:58] un...fortunately, also a lot of these tests are graphical, so there's another thing [17:58] Maccer: plus later Xorg and so forth [17:58] Maccer: Xorg isquite important for graphical things... [17:59] phoronix is actually using the old mesa libraries though (8.0), you could see possibly even more improvements... maybe not significant though [18:00] its a poor test, but you can prove anything with stats [18:01] This also might apply less to xubuntu since they mentioned some unity performance improvements, but eh, who knows [18:01] I didn't know my girlfr-, unity was that much of a hog [18:02] (letrolledhardxd) [18:09] Could try LXDE if you want a snappy OS [18:11] The only reason I use xubuntu because it's closest to the traditional, pre-unity, windows-like, desktop [18:11] And it makes xfce components work together really well [18:18] indeed, plus its gtk based, so will run your gnome apps with fewer deps [18:19] * Debolaz hugs Unity. [18:20] Meh, I don't have a problem with unity, it's just not my style [18:20] I love taskbars [18:20] ... at the bottom. [18:20] My other desktop is a Mac though, maybe that explains why I tolerate the launcher better. :-) [18:21] * Debolaz wrote a blog post addressing some criticisms with Unity today. [18:23] People think unity is terrible... people think XFCE is butt-ugly... I mean... the eff, man? [18:24] Probably the second most modular DE/WM next to KDE [18:24] I actually do think Unity is butt-ugly. :-) [18:25] u w0t. [18:25] I tolerate the lack of style, because its so functional. :) [18:42] Maccer, can you show proof of most. [18:42] hrm? [18:42] proof regarding what? the phoronix article about intel performance improvements in 12.10? [18:43] Maccer, that data is not available that most users do not like unity is what I mean it is a mater of the words used and what YOU mean. [18:45] Oh, my the general consensus I got was such from early complaints and from le reddit/slashdot. [18:46] I don't think most people would die from it, they just don't prefer the interface since most of pre-unity interfaces were... close to windows-style [18:47] I'm having troubles with X.org in +1... It appears Xorg is crashing under specific conditions. Any time I start kde, or anytime I start firefox udner xfce etc. Is this known ? [18:48] high-rez: are you running -proposed? [18:49] Yeah, I have proposed in my sources.list [18:50] high-rez: yes the version in proposed is aborting for some people, bug 1033142 (I thought there was another one too, but I can't seem to find it) [18:50] Launchpad bug 1033142 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGABRT in dixGetPrivate()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033142 [18:52] high-rez: ahh, bug 1033533 [18:52] Launchpad bug 1033533 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGABRT" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033533 [18:54] Cool - at least I'm not alone ;-) [19:03] hi [19:03] can someone please assist me in installing 12.10 on a PPC? [19:05] whatever I choose for the partitioning method, I always get a "Failed to remove conflicting files" error, just after creating the / filesystem. [19:40] Debolaz: which part do you not like? === JanC_ is now known as JanC [22:47] Hmm. still cant get html5 going.. cant get web apps going either.. [22:49] Dr_Willis, I am testing right now I can not get a application to read it [22:49] Dr_Willis, do you have qt-creator installed ? [22:49] Hmm.. also noticed today that Unity3d is not working. :) using unity2d. but 3d drivers seem to be working. [22:50] installing it now. :) sudo apt-get install qtcreator [22:50] oops. [22:51] Dr_Willis, once installed you can make html5 apps with it [22:51] to test to see if the video works with out flash because the html5 thingy has no flash [22:52] like for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2UxTqbMHaY&webm=1 (dont work ) I will take screen shot [22:52] installing it.. Checking webapps while im waiting. :) still not seemng to work. gmail.com gives me no dialog/requestor.. [22:53] Ok. qtcreator up and running.. [22:53] ok go to file -> create new project [22:53] looks nifty. :) [22:53] then select html5 [22:54] best IDE imho for linux (c++) & all the qml qt stuff [22:54] here is that picture http://imagebin.org/224568 [22:54] that is with ?webm=1 [22:55] Dr_Willis, after you name your program you can pick a url to copy from [22:55] then just press next till you get to the IDE again then press the green play button in the bottom left [22:56] allready ahead of you. :) got my own little browser.. how nifty [22:56] Video is virrently Unavailable.. [22:56] then it will not work with html5 [22:56] and its trying html5 it seems when i right click on the video window. [22:56] you added ?webm=1 correct ? [22:57] yep [22:57] at the end of the link well yeah you did if it says that it is un-avilble [22:57] This is the tool that is used (preferable) to build unity 2d [22:58] clicking on other video links same error for them all. [22:58] Oh wait.. one worked! ;) [22:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34IvWAefyjA&feature=player_detailpage [22:59] Going have to play with Qtcreator some more in the future. Im out of touch with the latest cool apps [23:02] Dr_Willis, just rember that it can open 1) CMakeList.txt files and also qml.projects [23:02] sorry about the 1) thingy [23:02] if i only knew what those were.. ;) [23:02] I just dont have a need to code much in my daily life. [23:02] CmakeList.txt are instuctions for building packages (c++) using cmake or qmake [23:03] like how make has Makefile [23:05] the power of qt-creator ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMgQpS8F6_o&feature=g-upl [23:05] that is me building ubuntu tv with qt-creator :) [23:05] last major programing i did was in college with my Amiga and its "CanDo!" tool :) [23:10] ! yes [23:10] Dr_Willis, try big buck bunny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE7VzlLtp-4&webm=1 [23:10] change the main.cpp [23:11] then save (ctrl+s) then run (ctrl+r) [23:12] Dr_Willis, http://imagebin.org/224571 [23:13] :) [23:13] enjoy [23:17] I guess the real power would be to make something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4kv-AoAJ-Q that uses webm cool stuff [23:19] Now i got a headache. ;P