[01:02] is anyone seeing this GTK rendering issue - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1036455 ? [01:02] Ubuntu bug 1036455 in gtk+3.0 "GTK Rendering Issue (potentially a Scrolled problem)" [Undecided,New] [01:11] jono, can't say I have in my day-to-day activities... are there any other apps you've noticed this in? [01:12] though I just tried out your gtkissue branch on quantal and can confirm the results in your screencap [01:13] jono, so... yes ;-) [01:21] robru, indeed, it seems a bit odd [01:21] if you could confirm the bug that would be great [01:21] sure thing [01:21] thanks! [01:22] btw, nice to meet you ;-) [01:23] (I'm the newest hire on the desktop team, starting officially on weds) [01:26] robru: welcome! [01:26] oh, thanks ;-) [01:27] gotta say, I'm honored to be part of such a great team. [01:27] robru: no need to suck up to me, I'm not on the desktop team :) [01:28] haha, I don't even know who's who. but jono is like, the second most famous Canonical person that I know of, so it's cool to see him here. [01:28] jono is the second most famous person I know, period [01:29] he's right after kim kardashian [01:29] haha. Well I suppose I'll meet him at UDS in Oct. Then I'll be able to say the same. [01:31] nice to meet you robru! [01:31] I am not famous :-) [01:31] not true! [01:31] robru, welcome to the company! [01:31] mdeslaur, lol [01:31] There was a time not too terribly long ago that you and the sabdfl were the only names of Canonical people I knew of ;-) [01:32] robru, I am not sure that makes me famous, just notorious :-) [01:32] lol, fair point! [01:32] :-) [01:32] nice to meet you robru, but a I have to run [01:32] did you need any help with that issue? [01:32] time to work out before dinner [01:32] robru, welcome aboard! [01:33] robru, if you can help diagnose it, that would be great [01:33] jono, I'll have a look but no promises. [01:33] bryceh, thanks! [01:33] it is quite odd - I wasn't sure if maybe the cause is some deprecated properties or something [01:33] hey bryceh [01:33] robru, what area are you working on? [01:33] hey jono [01:33] gotta run, and welcome again robru! :-) [01:34] bryceh, well jasoncwarner_ was talking about starting me off with some GNOME bugs but hasn't been terribly specific so far. I have the most experience with writing GNOME apps in python, but I'm really looking forward to new challenges and learning new skills here so I'm open to try just about anything. Been teaching myself packaging over the last couple weeks. [01:34] thanks jono! [01:34] robru, want to take over chromium ? [01:35] no ;-) [01:35] hehe [01:35] note i am not the maintainer... but nobody else was doing it so i touched it last :/ [01:35] sounds like the best game of hot potatoe that ever was ;-) [01:36] lol [01:37] :) [01:37] robru, well cool, glad to have you aboard. I'm sure within a week or two you'll be up to your eyeballs. :-) [01:37] no doubt! [01:38] btw kenvandine, did jasoncwarner_ talk to you at all? he mentioned to me that you or mterry could mentor me a bit. I already talked with mterry and he sounds really cool. [01:40] robru, he didn't... but i would be happy to! [01:40] robru, and welcome aboard! [01:40] thanks! [01:40] alright kenvandine, glad to know I'm working with helpful people. No questions as of yet but I'll let you know if I think of anything. [01:41] :) [01:41] robru, where are you from? [01:42] kenvandine, that's a long story ;-) [01:42] Currently living in the burstling metropolis known as Winnipeg, but don't hold it against me ;-) [01:43] basically all over Canada, but mostly the western bits, and going further west very soon! So excited to be moving to Victoria! [01:43] cool, so close to my timezone [01:43] i am east coast US [01:44] NC [01:44] Ah yeah [01:44] Well I'm getting further away in just a few months ;-) [01:44] in a great cosmic coincidence, jasoncwarner_ and I are both moving to the same city. [01:44] oh, I hadn't heard he's moving to victoria [01:45] oops, I hope that wasn't a secret [01:45] robru, I'm in Portland, Ore. :-) [01:45] robru, you spilled the beans! [01:45] bryceh, sweeet! I've never been but my girlfriend just took a trip there and she's still raving about it weeks later! [01:45] nah, he's been talking about moving to the PNW for some time. Just hadn't heard he'd decided where. [01:46] bryceh, ah yeah. well he was telling me he was considering the Canadian side because his wife's from there. I've been in love with Victoria since I was a kid, but life's been conspiring against me until now. Things are finally coming together! === mimico_ is now known as mimico [02:11] robru, you are moving to the US? [02:12] nope, staying within Canada [02:12] jono, victoria is in B.C. canada [02:13] Closest thing Canada has to a tropical island paradice ;-) [02:13] bryceh, oh I thought he meant he was moving to the same town as Jason [02:13] robru, :-) [02:14] jono, you've heard jason is moving to the US? [02:14] bryceh, I thought he was [02:14] rumours abound! [02:14] I may be wrong :-) [02:14] :-) [02:14] robru, :-) [02:18] jono, what kind of testing have you done with that gtkissue app you wanted me to look at? I'm seeing some really weird behavior beyond just what was in your screenshot. [02:18] eg, resizing the window big enough and then smaller again does get it to wrap down to a second line [02:18] but it still has quite the wide horiz. scrollbar [02:19] its really bizarre because I haven't seen any issues with, eg, nautilus. what other apps even use an iconview I wonder... [02:19] robru, I have seen the same bug too [02:19] robru, this is why I wanted to write that demo branch so you can play with it5 [02:19] but it is odd that the same code has radically different behavior on 12.04 and 12.10 [02:20] I should do a screencast of this, it's bizarre [02:24] jono, what I'm seeing here is that if you can resize the window to 4 rows tall and approx. 3000px wide (dual screen here), it starts to exhibit normal-ish wrapping behavior, but if only 3 rows are visible or the window is fitting on just one screen, it does goofy things like show empty rows and not wrap properly at all. [02:25] do we have an easy spot I can just throw a screencast up somewhere? all I have is github pages and I'd rather avoid a git checkin for a random screencast if possible. [02:26] robru, publish to Ubuntu One would make most sense [02:26] thanks for investigating robru! [02:27] heh, never used ubuntu one. gimme a sec to register or whatever [02:30] jono, k, uploading now [02:30] thanks robru [02:30] I poked at the source and didn't see anything especially out of the ordinary. [02:31] robru, the problem is that I am not particularly sure what the bug is with [02:31] but I haven't been especially thorough yet so that doesn't really mean much. [02:31] whether it is a ScrolledWindow, Viewport, or IconView issue [02:32] jono, if you have time, it would be helpful to try and reproduce the issue with the smallest possible codebase. eg, throw out all the quickly stuff and start over. just make a window and only add one widget at a time until you can recreate the behavior. [02:33] robru, I dont think removing the quickly bits will change it [02:33] quickly just wraps around the edges [02:33] that is a pretty pure piece of code [02:33] yeah, but I mean if you had a 20-line script that could reproduce it, it would go a long way trying to identify the source of the issue. [02:34] I'm not very familiar with quickly so I'm seeing a lot of code there and I'm not really sure what's part of quickly and what could be causing this. [02:34] heck, it could even be something in quickly that's causing it. [02:34] basically, making a "simplest reproducer" goes a long way for narrowing down what's what. [02:34] http://ubuntuone.com/3b1wPfitaly1kktVih4D50 here's this for now [02:35] i'll post it on the bug [02:39] hey jono, on line 37 of GtkbugWindow.py, you have a comment describing a liststore column as 'col', what's that mean? [02:42] robru, oh ignore that, that was just from the code I cut and pasted [02:43] hey jono, problem vanishes when I comment out line #60 [02:43] robru, that is because you removed the addition section I suspect [02:43] yeah, so it works when only one section is present ;-) [02:45] jono, in the original app you wrote, did you have the same icon view duplicated both times? or were their two different ones? [02:46] robru, I tried clearing the vars first, same issue [02:52] jono, sorry, clearing what vars? [02:52] robru, I added this add the beginning of add_view(): [02:52] outerbox = None [02:52] header = None [02:52] iconview = None [02:52] just to be sure [02:55] generally I would recommend using a gtkgrid as opposed to this series of nested boxes, but I don't think that's related to this issue especially [03:00] bryceh jono and robru to dispell the rumors, we are indeed looking at portland, seattle, victoria, vancouver and abu dhabi (mostly for the skiing) as possible landing points for 2013. It is basically going to come down to who gives me the best offer. In my spare time I do interpretive street miming and we'll wait and see which city needs my skills the most! [03:03] jasoncwarner_, you already know Victoria is where it's at. :-P [03:11] but jono, you should seriously consider that thing I told you to do. throw out all of quickly, start with just one .py file, don't even use gtkbuilder, just start with literally nothing, then instantiate the widgets one by one, and run it after each widget that you add. that will significantly narrow down the source of the bug (partly by cutting out a lot of irrelevant junk, and partly because you'll know exactly which line of code [03:11] you added that triggers the bug). [03:11] jasoncwarner_, 8-) [03:12] jono, my girlfriend is on her way here (uh, and it's 10pm too!) so you're on your own for now... [03:12] ;-) [03:39] jasoncwarner_, Northern California is the epicenter of interpretative street miming [03:39] you know it makes sense :-) [03:40] jono: :) [04:18] kenvandine, around? [04:19] jono, for about 2 more minutes [05:28] good morning === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:56] smspillaz, https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/users/griffais/ the first patch seems to help a lot on nvidia arm devices, could we have something similar in compiz ? [08:08] good morning desktopers [08:10] hey seb128! [08:10] seb128: meeting report reminder day! [08:10] didrocks, oh, right, thanks ;-) [08:10] yw ;) [08:11] seb128: isn't robert normally on holidays or is he back? (I saw him exiting patch pilot and then /quit) [08:11] didrocks, he was on holidays for a week only [08:11] didrocks, he's back since yesterday [08:11] ok, I should crack the whip to get my bake MR reviewed then! [08:11] ;-) [08:11] they are baking, but not changing a lot :) [08:16] oh shit, seb128 is here... but that means... it's 3AM where I am! [08:16] haha [08:16] robru, hey, how are you? [08:16] Oh, I'm good! and you? [08:16] I'm good thanks [08:17] seb128, if we're going to work on the same team, you're going to have to change your 'good morning' message to 'robru, go to bed!' ;-) [08:17] lol, indeed [08:17] robru, go to bed! [08:17] ;-) [08:17] lol. can't sleep! [08:17] stop working, go watch some TV or read then! ;-) [08:18] nah, not working, just reading RSS and surfing facebook of all things. [08:18] besides, I haven't even officially started yet! I get one more day to myself ;-) [08:19] hehe, indeed [08:22] Oh, just got an email from HR that was sent 5 minutes ago. I guess being up at 3AM ain't all bad... [08:23] good morning everyone [08:23] morning chrisccoulson ! [08:23] hi robru [08:24] chrisccoulson, have we met formally yet? I am the newest member of the team. I officially start squashing boogs on wednesday! [08:24] robru, oh, welcome :) [08:24] chrisccoulson, hey, how are you? [08:24] i don't think we've met yet [08:24] thanks! [08:25] seb128, yeah, good thanks. tired though, and hit a bit of a brick wall with this bug too :( [08:25] hey chrisccoulson! [08:25] chrisccoulson, :-( did you fix it at the end or still on it? [08:25] chrisccoulson, now we have ;-) [08:25] robru, chrisccoulson is our firefox maintainer [08:25] welcome robru :) [08:25] ahhhh [08:25] thanks didrocks ! [08:25] (even if nobody says hello when I'm connecting :p) [08:26] didrocks, stop connecting at a time where you only have a chance to say hello to pitti, especially when he's on holidays :p [08:26] didrocks, I was trying to sleep when you said hello ;-) only just got up a little bit ago myself [08:26] seb128, i've fixed the crash, but the fix ends up in completely non-functional firebug menus. i guess that's better, but i'm going to propose a patch to firebug as well [08:26] chrisccoulson, ok [08:26] seb128: but but… I'm awake at that time! :) [08:26] didrocks, go to bed later! ;-) [08:26] ahah [08:27] didrocks, or look at the positive side, you are some quiet time before it gets crazy [08:28] yeah, I love dealing with my email during that time :) [08:29] ahah: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/didrocks.html [08:29] attaching the bug for removing unity-2d exploded my trend line :) [08:29] but I'm still under it \o/ [08:32] ogra_ I'll have a look into it thanks [08:33] smspillaz, might be that we already have parts of it, not sure [08:37] w00t [08:37] seb128, the firebug patch is fairly trivial, and it works \o/ [08:37] now, i hope they accept it and push a release out.... [08:37] chrisccoulson, does it fix the firefox not starting issue as well? [08:37] or workaround it [08:37] or just the broken menus after your fix for appmenu? [08:37] seb128, we'll still need to SRU a crash fix for people that experience a startup crash [08:38] and then, assuming i can get the firebug guys to accept my patch, they'll get a firebug update which fixes the menu [08:38] chrisccoulson, do you have the fix for that ready? it's 2 days to hard freeze for the .1 iso ... do you think we should aim at the iso? [08:38] seb128, i'm not that concerned about making the iso tbh. i don't think people will be using firebug on there, will they? [08:39] chrisccoulson, probably not, the question is whether they will install updates on the installed system [08:39] ahhh [08:40] but, well, they need to get firebug online anyway right? [08:40] to play devils advocate -- the type of webdesigner likely to use firebug would surely be smart enough to install updates? [08:40] so if they are connected and don't update firefox and install firebug ... too bad for them [08:43] seb128, updating firebug without firefox would be ok, and it would happen automatically for anybody who could still run firefox (i think) [08:44] chrisccoulson, you mean that with your firebug patch firefox would stop hitting the bug that prevents it to start? [08:44] seb128, yeah, it should do. although, i will verify that just to be sure [08:45] chrisccoulson, great [08:59] seb128, http://code.google.com/p/fbug/issues/detail?id=5809 [09:12] chrisccoulson, good [09:22] hah, oh god, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/09/cde_goes_opensource/ [09:22] i remember CDE! [09:23] i still had to use it in one of my previous jobs [09:24] people still use twm.. :p [09:24] Can't say I've used it personally but I did see it once on a Sun at my old university, over 10 years ago... [09:25] robru, yeah, we had it at university too. but i had to use it for a couple of years after that too [09:26] frankly I would have preferred it to Windows... [09:26] we ran our electronics tools on solaris, but they were migrating to windows when i left [09:28] oh, we actually have nedit in the archive? [09:28] is nedit good? [09:28] seb128_, no ;) [09:29] i just remember it from my days of using CDE [09:31] hehe === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [10:04] mvo: hey, small question for you ;) [10:05] mvo: imagine, we have libunity-core-5.0-5 in precise, which dep on unity-services (= 5.x) [10:06] in quantal, we have libunity-core-6.0-5, which dep on unity-service (= 6.x) [10:06] unity dep on libunity-core-abiversion [10:07] libunity-core-6.0-5 doesn't really replaces/conflicts with libunity-core-5.0-5, but they can't be co-installable because of unity-services package which can only have one version [10:07] do you see issues (it seems MacSlow has some) on upgrade? [10:07] like, it didn't want to remove libunity-core-5.0-5 for libunity-core-6.0-5, and so unity, unity-services are stuck [10:07] joy of apt scoring... [10:08] I'm still surprise about MacSlow getting that because we would have the same issue from unity 4 to 5 [10:08] though nothing depends on libunity-core-5.0-5 and unity etc depends on the new one [10:08] so the scoring should work in favor of it [10:08] right [10:08] I think there is a -o apt::debug::something to show resolutions [10:09] that's why I'm wondering what's happening, but from the traces, nothing else dep on it :) [10:09] or try aptitude dist-upgrade and pastebin the log [10:09] seb128: can you send that to macslow on #ubuntu-unity? [10:09] sure [10:09] seb128, didrocks: reading here too [10:09] would be easier that passing the message around :) [10:09] ok great :) [10:09] because unblocking with apt-get remove [10:09] I would be interesting to see if we don't miss the point here [10:10] popey: FYI ^ [10:13] Greetings Everyone [10:13] hey BigWhale [10:14] seb128: I would need your help later, I guess. I want to package http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/templates/ for universe before ff and feel utterly incompetent about it (as I only know how to pack insane packages, not sane ones). [10:15] Sweetshark, hey, ok, do you have specific questions or you just don't know how to start? [10:15] seb128: Im tweaking myself through it with dh_make right now. I ignored the newfangled CDBS-foo for now. [10:16] seb128: no, currently, Im moving along nicely. But I bet I miss out a million things on Doing It Right(tm) from the Debian Policies ;) [10:18] seb128: ah, here is one question: are the manpages created by dh_make essential? [10:18] Sweetshark, no they are not, and ignore manpages, especially for templates... [10:33] didrocks: meh, need to look at this after lunch [10:33] seb128: meh, dh_auto_configure runs autoconf? [10:33] mvo, unping, it was ppa use [10:34] mvo: yeah, seems that's a local issue that MacSlow is hitting, but in theory, this workflow seems to work [10:35] ok [10:35] ta === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === mlankhor1t is now known as mlankhorst [12:12] desrt: hey, do you know what the procedure is for using g_settings_set_value with a GSettings key that is a variant type ? [12:13] I haven't actually had a chance to test that case yet (just doing the hardcoded keys list now) except that I noticed some of the old string keys are now implemented as enum types [12:13] the enum type seems to be implemented as strings internally though [12:25] seb128, accepted! http://code.google.com/p/fbug/issues/detail?id=5809 \o/ [12:25] so i'll get our fix in to proposed now [12:25] chrisccoulson, great! === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:32] seb128: my lame attempt at packaging from scratch is on chinstrap, could you have a look? [12:32] Sweetshark, ok [12:52] seb128: hey, have you seen bug #1029703? [12:52] Launchpad bug 1029703 in language-selector "gnome-language-selector crashed with dbus.exceptions.DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method SetFormatsLocale is not implemented on interface org.freedesktop.Accounts.User" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029703 [12:53] I tried downgrading accountsservice to the precise version and it works for me [12:59] Laney, no I didn't, thanks [13:15] micahg: did you get a chance to look at u1db? [13:15] seb128: or do you have a minute to review u1db? are you an AA? [13:16] dobey, I'm an archive admin yes, you probably need a sponsor out of me if you want me to review the upload in the queue ;-) [13:18] seb128: i don't think it's been uploaded yet [13:18] seb128: i don't see any indication of it on the bug anyway [13:18] dobey, want me to have a look for comments anyway? where is it? [13:18] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1035392 [13:18] Ubuntu bug 1035392 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] u1db" [Wishlist,In progress] [13:19] does anybody know if libpackagekit-glib2 already is on the desktop CD? [13:21] Sweetshark, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ ... look at one of the .manifest [13:21] seems not [13:23] seb128: do you know another easy way to trigger sessioninstaller over dbus (or by other means) without adding massive packages to the default install? [13:24] Sweetshark, you can use it, I think it was on the CD for precise, indicator-session was using it [13:24] seb128: k [13:24] Sweetshark, e.g the lib is small and no MIR etc is needed [13:24] seb128: thx [13:25] yw [13:25] otherwise I guess you can directly use the dbus interface [13:25] but the lib probably makes it easier [13:25] mvo, ^ is that lib the recommend way to install packages on demand? [13:25] seb128: easy = Good Thing(tm) [13:29] Sweetshark: use the packagekit session dbus api to install a package, I think thats the simplest way [13:44] smspillaz: i imagine you would pass the GVariant to g_settings_set_value, as with any other [13:44] smspillaz: i do not know of anyone who has decided to store variants in GSettings [14:02] mvo: this one: http://www.packagekit.org/gtk-doc/PkClient.html ? or do you mean raw manual dbus fiddling? [14:09] Sweetshark: that one should work yes [14:09] Sweetshark: but iirc there is a simpler way, hold on a sec [14:11] Sweetshark: http://www.packagekit.org/pk-faq.html#session-methods [14:13] mvo: hmm, tasty. that c sample looks short and sweet. [14:13] desrt: "I imagine" - you wrote it :P [14:14] smspillaz: i wrote it... that doesn't mean i understand what/why you are trying to do [14:14] desrt: okay, lets say for example the key visual-bell-type in org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences [14:14] if I do something like [14:14] GVariant *v = g_variant_new_string ("s", "fullscreen"); [14:14] erm. [14:14] not how that works? [14:15] new_string() takes one argument: a string [14:16] mvo: thanks [14:16] Sweetshark: yp [14:16] Sweetshark: yw [14:17] g_settings_set_value (settings, v); [14:17] desrt: right, just the one paramter, sorry, I'm kinda distracted [14:17] anyways, I just need to know if that will crash and burn [14:18] no... of course that will work [14:18] desrt: great :) [14:19] there is g_settings_set_string() that does exactly this, though [14:20] desrt: just FYI, the reason I'm using the set_value API as opposed to set_int32 etc is because I have to wrap the API in order to mock it out with google mock and writing methods for _set_* would just be a total pain [14:20] desrt: do you use Gnome Shell? [14:20] cyphermox: no he uses Unity [14:20] * smspillaz runs [14:20] hehe [14:20] cyphermox: ya. [14:20] (lies! he runs cinnamon and muffin!) [14:21] desrt: I'm having this weird issue starting VPNs from Shell, hoping you could help shed light on [14:21] probablynot [14:22] desrt: Shell tries to parse ini-style data sent from the VPN plugins, but that fails in g_key_file_load_from_file() somehow, the data looks valid though [14:22] mmkay [14:24] i don't use VPNs [14:25] * smspillaz does [14:25] or well, used to. I probably still have the config up on my machine somewhere [14:25] that being said I'm quite busy and don't run gnome shell [14:27] desrt: what I'm mostly curious about is if you could confirm my suspicion about whether the issue is in the plugins, in shell, or in g_key_file_load_from_file() (or the bindings), given the error message. [14:28] (I'm getting it again, with the debug info now) [14:31] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1146944/ [14:36] desrt, hey, do you know of any recent glib issue in g_file_make_directory_with_parents() [14:38] no [14:40] desrt, pinged owen on #gnome-hackers [14:40] desrt, do you see anything obviously wrong in the commit I pointed there? [14:41] seb128: i'm still at the hackfest today, btw [14:41] and the network here is very very bad [14:43] desrt, oh right, how is that going? ;-) [14:46] didrocks: ping [14:47] mhall119: hey [14:49] didrocks: hey, I'm working on a whitelist of "safe" install locations, places where an application package can install files to without interfering with anything else [14:49] http://pad.ubuntu.com/thKafADrzZ is the list I have so far [14:49] are there any other locations a desktop app might need to install to? [14:50] mhall119: let me look (sorry 4 conversations at the same time, sorting them out and getting back to you) [14:50] didrocks: no rush [14:50] mhall119: keeping you posted [14:51] desrt: hey, do you have any knowledge in the .convert magic? :) [14:51] like, imagemagick? [14:52] ahah, I was more on the gconf -> gsettings one :) [14:52] oh [14:52] no :) [14:52] desrt: I will still bug you :p imagine, that a string in the gconf world became an "a(s)", do you think it's supported? [14:53] or you have to do it by hand and suffer [14:55] seb128, if you get a min, would you mind taking a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1036455 ? [14:55] Ubuntu bug 1036455 in gtk+3.0 "GTK Rendering Issue (potentially a ScrolledWindow problem)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:55] desrt, you might have some experience if this is an issue too ^ [14:56] jono, hey, looking [14:56] thanks seb128 [14:57] jono, is your issue that the items don't get wrapped or...? [14:59] seb128, firstly, having radically different rendered results on Precise and Quantal suggested to me it would be a bug, and this seems to be in the form of no wrapping, and I am also noticing how the wrapping only occurs after four items [14:59] robru, added a comment about this [14:59] jono, ok, adding to my todo list but for the end of the day ;-) [14:59] I also have an issue in which the two sections are spaced out too much in the window, but I am not sure whether that might be just a bug in my code [14:59] they basically rewrote gtkicongrid there might be a bug there [14:59] thanks seb128! [14:59] but I need to finish with ff crazyness first [14:59] jono, yw! [15:01] didrocks: a(s)?! [15:01] desrt: as [15:01] didrocks: imho it almost never makes sense to see a single value inside of a tuple [15:01] smspillaz: ^ [15:01] okay. good. :) [15:02] desrt: do you think that the .convert script support that? maybe it does, or metacity lost all its keybindings [15:02] * didrocks look for the .convert of metacity [15:02] i don't know. mclasen wrote that code a long time ago. [15:02] it certainly seems that it should be supported, though [15:05] didrocks: desrt: right, sorry, "as" [15:05] I get the two confused a lot because of the way GVariantIter works [15:05] smspillaz: how so? [15:05] smspillaz: so: /usr/share/GConf/gsettings/wm-schemas.convert:move-to-workspace-1 = /apps/metacity/window_keybindings/move-to-workspace-1 [15:05] desrt: coolio [15:05] is that the kind of transformation you were speaking about? [15:05] * desrt is always looking for ways to improve docs to remove confusion [15:10] smspillaz: ? [15:11] desrt: I think it was something to do with the way GDbus sends arrays of strings over [15:11] it does them in a tuple or something [15:11] yes. [15:11] that's the one place where it makes sense to have a string in a tuple [15:11]