[04:27] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[06:09] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[08:28] <kyng386> hi
[08:28] <kyng386> I have a couple of questions about hoe to configure my machine when testing.
[08:31] <kyng386> Is there a significant diference if any between testing in virtual machine and installing on real hardware?
[10:59] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[11:54]  * green7 waves at everyone.
[11:54]  * smartboyhw waves at green7
[11:55] <smartboyhw> green7: Interested at doing some Ubuntu Studio testing?
[11:55] <green7> I don't know what Ubuntu Studio is
[11:55] <smartboyhw> !ubuntustudio
[11:56] <smartboyhw> We need testers
[11:56] <smartboyhw> Go to #ubuntustudio-devel, we will help you out
[11:56] <green7> Ofcourse, I'll be more than happy to test it.
[11:56] <green7> But I'm not an artist.
[11:56] <smartboyhw> Do it in ISO QA Tracker
[11:56] <smartboyhw> You don't need to be an artist for testing ISOs
[11:57] <green7> All right, I'll start today!
[11:58] <smartboyhw> Good!
[11:58] <smartboyhw> Join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-testers
[11:59] <smartboyhw> BTW, did you subscribe to the QA mailing list?
[11:59] <green7> Yup
[11:59] <smartboyhw> You should have received my e-mail for calling for testers
[11:59] <green7> I should've missed it
[12:00] <smartboyhw> Hmm, first one is blank, second one should have content
[12:00] <green7> yes, it does
[12:01] <smartboyhw> Also, join the QA meeting tmr on 14:00UTC in #ubuntu-meeting
[12:01] <smartboyhw> I will be there as chair
[12:01] <green7> cool
[12:01] <smartboyhw> Second time as chair of QA
[12:02] <smartboyhw> third time being chair of a Ubuntu meeting
[12:02] <green7> awesome
[12:02] <smartboyhw> balloons has been chair for so long, from Jan to July
[12:02] <green7> QA?
[12:03] <smartboyhw> I mean testing
[12:03] <smartboyhw> Quality Assurance
[12:03] <smartboyhw> You know balloons is QA community coordinator, do you?
[12:03] <smartboyhw> balloons is Nicholas Skaggs
[12:04] <green7> Yeah, I know Nicholas.
[12:04] <smartboyhw> Good
[12:04] <green7> balloons doesn't quite match with the name
[12:04] <smartboyhw> That's just his nick
[12:04] <smartboyhw> Mine match
[12:04] <smartboyhw> hw means Howard, I'm Howard Chan
[12:05] <green7> all right!
[12:05] <smartboyhw> green7: How old are you?
[12:05] <green7> 18
[12:05] <smartboyhw> 14
[12:06] <green7> when I was your age, I didn't even know what Ubuntu was.
[12:06] <smartboyhw> ...
[12:06] <patdk-wk> a/s/l?
[12:06] <green7> anyways, good for you.
[12:06] <smartboyhw> patdk-wk: ?
[12:06] <patdk-wk> too young I guess
[12:07] <smartboyhw> patdk-wk: Someone got Ubuntu Membership at 14
[12:07] <smartboyhw> balloons likes it, anyway
[12:11] <green7> btw who all use VM to test ISOs?
[12:11] <smartboyhw> me
[12:11] <smartboyhw> I use Windows 8 Pro RTM as main OS
[12:11] <green7> I read the conversation you and some good woman had
[12:11] <smartboyhw> She's another QA coordinator
[12:11] <smartboyhw> And I'm only a nobody
[12:12] <smartboyhw> Use her suggestions
[12:12] <green7> She recommends dual-booting
[12:12] <smartboyhw> I don't
[12:12] <patdk-wk> it really depends what your testing
[12:12] <smartboyhw> I use VM always
[12:12] <green7> patdk-wk: please elaborate.
[12:13] <green7> I've got Ubuntu 12.04 and Xubuntu 11.10 dual-booted.
[12:13] <patdk-wk> if the testcase your doing, is if raid1 works, or if network upgrades work
[12:13] <green7> I mainly test daily isos and webapps. What is recommended?
[12:14] <patdk-wk> guess it depends on what daily's
[12:14] <patdk-wk> desktop editions, ya, real machine
[12:14] <patdk-wk> webapps shouldn't matter at all
[12:14] <smartboyhw> desktop editions use VM for me
[12:14] <smartboyhw> I use VM for all testing
[12:16] <green7> I, personally, find VMs more useful, since I've only one machine and if it crashes, I'll be in a big trouble.
[12:16] <smartboyhw> You know what? Ubuntu Studio has everything tested while others don't!
[12:17] <green7> that's ironical, they are looking for testers, aren't they?
[12:17] <smartboyhw> Yep, that's me and len-dt, member of staff of Ubuntu Studio responsible for testing
[12:18] <green7> all right
[12:18] <smartboyhw> So that's why we're more active
[12:18] <smartboyhw> astraljava handles the coordination
[12:18] <smartboyhw> I test 64-bit, len tests 32-bit
[12:19] <green7> hmm
[12:19] <green7> So, anyone on G+?
[12:19] <sagaci> I test the ubuntu desktop i386 every few days on real hardware
[12:20] <green7> :)
[12:21] <smartboyhw> sagaci: Good
[12:22] <sagaci> I don't mind testing other flavours but I'd rather reserve them til later, around beta stage
[12:23] <green7> Going to build LibreOffice today :O
[12:23] <smartboyhw> Good@
[12:25] <smartboyhw> green7: I'm on G+
[12:26] <green7> smartboyhw: wanna intersect the circles? :D
[12:27] <smartboyhw> What's your account name?
[12:27] <green7> gplus.to/SanchitGn
[14:22] <balloons> I broke unity on my box ;-)
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Hi balloons!
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Working on some Ubuntu Studio documentation
[14:22] <smartboyhw> How's the QA survey result?
[14:24] <balloons> slightly sorted
[14:24] <smartboyhw> balloons: If you can report the result in the QA meeting tmr
[14:25] <balloons> we can discuss certainly
[14:26] <smartboyhw> balloons: I will be chair again tmr
[14:28] <balloons> yep
[14:29] <smartboyhw> balloons: Do you know that astraljava took over management of testing in Ubuntu Studio?
[14:30] <balloons> smartboyhw, you mentioned this yes
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Yep
[14:31] <balloons> been such a long time since I used fluxbox
[14:33] <smartboyhw> balloons: What are you going to say at tmr's meeting?
[14:34] <balloons> it was the best of times, it was the worst of times
[14:35] <smartboyhw> balloons: What?
[14:35] <balloons> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/A_Tale_of_Two_Cities
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Don't tell me you're quoting things up in this channel:)
[14:35] <balloons> smartboyhw, I don't know exactly what I will say
[14:37] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:43] <balloons> smartboyhw, lol.. I'm still summarizing the survey
[14:49] <smartboyhw> balloons: Don't worry, just wondering: How many people is dissatisfied of the QA experience
[14:49] <smartboyhw> ?
[14:49] <smartboyhw> I got a hell lot of Ubuntu Studio documentation to write:)
[14:50] <balloons> fun!
[14:50] <smartboyhw> BTW, got your e-mail. Why did you broke your unity?
[14:50] <balloons> it's called a partial upgrade
[14:50] <smartboyhw> Ah, so the upgrade failed?
[14:50] <balloons> it's where your asked to remove packages in order to upgrade
[14:51] <balloons> this happens because of mismatched dependencies
[14:51] <balloons> in this case, it was unity that got removed, and apparently I didn't notice
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Uh oh, so how is the OS now?
[14:51] <balloons> so I ran the partial upgrade
[14:51] <balloons> now I have to fix :-)
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Is it now only running on command line?
[14:57] <balloons> no
[14:57] <balloons> I'm in fluxbox
[14:57] <smartboyhw> OK, good
[14:57] <balloons> which I installed from the command line to start into
[14:57] <balloons> hehe
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Uh
[14:57] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:58] <balloons> phillw, ping
[14:59] <phillw> balloons: pong
[15:02] <smartboyhw> balloons and phillw: ping
[15:03] <phillw> smartboyhw: just trying to get something sorted out.
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Sort what?
[15:13] <smartboyhw> balloons: Are you here?
[15:14]  * balloons is hungry
[15:14] <balloons> I'm about
[15:14] <smartboyhw> balloons: Is astraljava a he or a she?
[15:15] <balloons> smartboyhw, lol.. Janne is male
[15:15] <mvo> hey, what is the best way to setup a adt-run virtual environment? is there a kvm backend available? I played with the chroot one but that is no good for software-center as s-c requires a working dbus
[15:16] <smartboyhw> thanks, I was wondering if he's a female:)
[15:16] <smartboyhw> mvo: ?
[15:17] <jibel> mvo, I use the nuul driver inside a VM
[15:17] <jibel> null
[15:18]  * smartboyhw waves at jibel
[15:18] <jibel> mvo, in lp:auto-package-testing there is this script http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~auto-package-testing-dev/auto-package-testing/trunk/view/head:/bin/prepare-testbed
[15:18] <mvo> jibel: aha, cool, that is a good suggestion
[15:18] <jibel> that will prepare it for you from a cloud image
[15:18] <jibel> good morning smartboyhw
[15:19] <mvo> jibel: awsome! \o/
[15:19] <smartboyhw> good evening, or worse still, good night, jibek
[15:19] <smartboyhw> *jibel
[15:20] <jibel> working with different timezone simplified my vocabulary and only good morning survived
[15:20] <smartboyhw> !
[15:20] <jibel> it's always morning somewhere
[15:20] <mvo> jibel: you are a rockstar, that script looks really useful
[15:21] <jibel> mvo, heh, keep that until you start using it :)
[15:21] <mvo> lol
[15:23] <smartboyhw> jibel: I have a questions
[15:23] <jibel> smartboyhw, sure, just ask
[15:23] <smartboyhw> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Why isn't even balloons in it?:(:)
[15:24] <jibel> smartboyhw, he is now, he is even an admin
[15:24]  * jibel doubl-checks
[15:24] <jibel> e
[15:24] <smartboyhw> new member!
[15:24] <jibel> confirmed, he is an admin
[15:24] <smartboyhw> So how does one apply for this?
[15:25] <mvo> jibel: looks like you were right ;) http://paste.ubuntu.com/1147031/ - I guess I shoudl run this on precise instead of quantal
[15:26] <smartboyhw> jibel: Then how does one apply for https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa membership?
[15:26] <balloons> smartboyhw, it needs to be merged with the testing team
[15:27] <jibel> smartboyhw, not sure what balloons wnat to do with this team
[15:27] <jibel> heh
[15:27] <smartboyhw> Uh
[15:27] <balloons> smartboyhw, it doesn't have a distinct purpose any longer
[15:27] <jibel> mvo, hm, that changed in Quantal :/ I'll have a look
[15:27] <smartboyhw> That's means balloons is going to trash the team, right?
[15:30] <smartboyhw> balloons: I'm having problems to set a suitable time with phillw about the testcase
[15:30] <balloons> smartboyhw, ahh timezone issues?
[15:31] <balloons> smartboyhw, yes more or less.. push the team members into the current team
[15:31] <balloons> and close it down
[15:31] <smartboyhw> No, he's busy when I'm not, I'm busy when he is.
[15:32] <njin> smartboyhw, propose him to go to sleep two hrs later and you woke up 2 hrs before...;-)
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[15:32] <mvo> jibel: I run in on precise now, but its still a bit unhappy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1147042/ and keeps counting down
[15:35] <balloons> njin, :-) good idea
[15:36] <njin> hallo balloons :-)
[15:36] <jibel> mvo, it's ok, it is installing the packages to run autopkgtest
[15:36] <balloons> njin, hello!
[15:36] <jibel> mvo, it usually last from 2min to 10min depending on your system
[15:36]  * smartboyhw waves at balloons, jibel and njin for a summarized wave
[15:37] <mvo> jibel: oh, cool, thanks for that info
[15:37] <jibel> mvo, kvm starts correctly here on quantal
[15:38] <jibel> mvo, I think I could improve the feedback though :) like tailing cloud-init logs
[15:38] <mvo> :)
[15:43] <mvo> jibel: yeah, its fine now in quantal too, odd
[15:44] <mvo> Installation successful!
[15:44] <mvo> jibel: \o/
[15:45] <jibel> mvo, fantastic!
[15:46] <jibel> mvo, there is another script called run-adt-test to run adt-run for a specific package
[15:46] <mvo> jibel:  I would love to run it against a bzr tree or to login into the machine? is there a getty running on the vm image?
[15:47] <mvo> jibel: I'm (finally) prepareing the dep8 stuff for software-center :)
[15:50] <jibel> mvo, you can start the VM and login. then do your checkout, change to the package directory and run adt-run with the options: --unbuilt-tree . --- adt-virt-null
[15:50]  * green7 waves.
[15:50]  * smartboyhw waves at green7
[15:50]  * green7 and smartboyhw wave at each other.
[15:54] <mvo> jibel: hm, kvm -m 768 /tmp/adt/disks/pristine-quantal-i386.img does not give me a getty curently, maybe its just slow :/
[15:54] <mvo> jibel: ha! just slow
[15:54] <mvo> jibel: sorry for all the noise
[15:55] <stgraber> jibel: are you using the LXC backend in the auto upgrade tester? I'm busy getting all the upgrade testing for the flavours back online and might have to push some changes to make it work reasonably well
[15:55] <jibel> mvo, ah, once logged in, uninstall cloud-init, it tries to call home and times out after 2 minutes. That my be it.
[15:56] <jibel> may
[15:56] <jibel> stgraber, now I didn't have time to try it.
[15:56] <jibel> s/now/no
[15:57]  * smartboyhw waves at stgraber
[15:57] <stgraber> jibel: ok. IIRC what was left was managing a cache (instead of creating clean containers everytime), getting xserver-xorg-dummy working so lightdm can start and patch some of the checks (like the kernel check) to always pass on containers
[16:12] <smartboyhw> balloons: How's the fixing of your unity?
[16:13] <balloons> I ppa-purged and fixed it
[16:13] <balloons> i'm in unity again
[16:14] <smartboyhw> YEAH!
[16:44] <green7> how much time does it take for the new ssh key added on launchpad to take effect?
[16:59] <balloons> green7, up to 10 mins
[16:59] <balloons> normally mine turn around pretty quick
[17:01] <green7> okay
[17:01] <green7> I guess you're special :P
[17:01] <balloons> green7,
[17:01] <balloons> green7, lol. if you wait more than an hour, ask the guys on #launchpad
[17:02] <green7> thankyou balloons
[17:09] <stgraber> jibel: what change did you do to allow for precise => quantal upgrades without getting the "No new release found"?
[17:09] <stgraber> jibel: I have a bit of code in the LXC backend for that but it's now causing a conffile prompt on upgrade...
[17:11] <balloons> stgraber, I had the issue because 12.04 is an lts.. it only looks for lts upgrades
[17:11] <balloons> you need to make sure you changed that to look for all upgrades
[17:11] <stgraber> balloons: yeah, I know that, but as I said, doing that change leads to a conffile prompt on upgrade, causing the auto upgrade to consider that a failure
[17:12] <balloons> stgraber, ahh, gotcha
[17:12] <balloons> we all know jibel has magic dust he sprinkles...
[17:14] <jibel> stgraber, same change that you did for lxc. And that also causes a conffile prompt on upgrade
[17:15] <jibel> which I ignore
[17:15] <stgraber> jibel: ah, so kvm simply ignores it, with the LXC upgrade, that hangs the whole upgrade :)
[17:16] <jibel> stgraber, is it waiting for an input ?
[17:16] <stgraber> yeah...
[17:33] <jibel> stgraber, did you verify that DEBIAN_FRONTEND is not set before starting do-release-upgrade ? Can you trying to force DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
[17:33] <jibel> s/trying/try
[17:38] <stgraber> jibel: will take a look. I assumed that I implemented the LXC backend to use the same tricks as the Qemu one, but apparently that's not the case
[20:45] <phillw> gilir: hiyas, how's things going?
[20:47] <gilir> phillw, slowly, back from a we of complete vacation :-)
[20:47] <phillw> balloons: by the way, did you get the cadence results for lubuntu sorted? I have lost the link if you did, as I ended up bashing my head against the wall with  a 12.10 server installation
[20:47] <balloons> phillw, I sent you a link
[20:47] <phillw> gilir: hope you had a good relaxing time :)
[20:47] <balloons> it was in wiki format
[20:47] <balloons> you didn't seem to like that heh
[20:47] <balloons> find replace || with , for csv
[20:50] <phillw> do you still have the link handy? I've just had a quick scroll back and cannot find it :/
[21:48] <phillw> stgraber: you have a few minutes to spare?
[21:55] <phillw> infinity: you about?