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christelgood morning my pretties07:55
MartijnVdS\o07:55
christelMartijnVdS \o/07:59
AlanBellmorning all08:01
christelmorning AlarmBell \o/08:02
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:17
popeymorning08:21
bigcalmEye spy a popey08:21
christelbigcalm, popey o/08:32
SuperMattmorning08:34
christelSuperMatt \o/08:35
SuperMattahoy!08:35
* bigcalm tickles christel hello :D08:35
christelRAWR08:38
christeli do enjoy a good tickle in the morning08:38
SuperMatttoday's extremely exciting task is to learn all about puppet08:38
christelhehe08:38
SuperMatt/o\08:39
mungojerryyay puppet08:51
bigcalmThanks, I now have this firmly lodged in my brain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrs8CgpH98008:54
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: Puppet is coolness09:00
christeli can smell waffles09:02
needhelppersonanyone here use weechat and willing to help a n00b?09:03
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brobostigongood morning everyone.09:20
popeyhello brobostigon09:22
brobostigonhello popey09:22
davmor2Morning all09:56
brobostigonmorning davmor209:57
davmor2brobostigon: morning09:58
mungojerryshauno, looks good. however is the mk802 v2 a better one to get?10:20
mungojerryat least it looks safer10:20
* popey hugs his air con10:20
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andylockranhowdy all10:23
andylockrantrip to Aberdeen later today10:24
brobostigonhi andylockran10:24
shaunomungojerry: I didn't realise they were onto a 2nd generation already.  I'd just heard that device mentioned a few times, so raised an eyebrow when it plopped in my inbox10:24
shaunoit'd explain moving them at half price though10:24
popeyshauno, whats that?10:24
shaunomk802 'android on a thumbstick' thingo, today's ibood deal10:25
popeyahh!10:26
mungojerrylooks sweet but i don't have hdmi telly10:26
mungojerryor monitor10:26
mungojerryalso, http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-2-4G-wilress-qwerty-mini-keyboard-with-touch-pad-10A/810525_535669384.html10:27
popeyi have a boxee remote I'd use for this kind of thing10:28
popeydon't like the idea of using a pointing device with telly10:29
mgdm+110:33
shaunoI use my ipad as a remote for xbmc.  sure it hates freedom, but it works well10:35
gordi have two xbmcs installs. for one i use a real usb IR remote, for the other i use the xbmc remote. its nice to be able to pick shows from the remote, but damn navigating anything with it is a pain10:40
gordtouch devices are a pain in general10:40
popeyxbmc remote?10:40
popeyoh, on a device?10:40
gordyeah my phone10:41
gordyour thumb is just really bad at figuring out if you are hitting UP or ENTER without having bumps of some kind10:41
Pendulummorning10:58
bigcalmWho is messing up the Rackspace cloud?11:03
* bigcalm grumbles at tech yet again11:03
hooverany postfix experts around?11:12
hooverhey biggie11:12
hooverI could use some help with header_checks11:12
mgdmhoover: what about it?11:13
hooverI need to restrict mails to a single recipient domain11:14
hoovermy header check works with the postmap check, but not within postfix (all mails are rejected)11:14
hooverI've tried this regexp:11:14
hoover !/^To:.*@good-domain.*/ REJECT illegial recipient11:15
lubotu3hoover: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)11:15
hooverand this apparenty works fine with postmap -fq11:16
mgdmerr11:25
mgdmwhy are you doing that, rather than just telling postfix to only accept mail for that domain?11:25
andylockranrecepient_doamin or summat innit?11:31
hooverhm11:33
hooverit's supposed to be a mail relay server11:33
hooverrecipient_restrictions maybe?11:33
hooverI'll check into it11:34
shaunoI'd think you'd just trim down smtpd_recipient_restrictions ?11:34
hooverWeird, doesn't seem to work either11:37
shaunorelay should be quite simple, relay_domains = a list of hosts you accept for, and relayhost = the host to relay them to11:37
hooverI'll try the relay_domains param11:45
mungojerrygoing back to these mk802 things, is there a timeline for getting hardware acceleration for the mali 400 gpu?11:45
mungojerryon ubuntu11:45
mungojerry /linux11:46
hooverHm, maybe it's because I'm sending mail off localhost instead of using the relay properly?11:47
shaunocould be; if localhost is in $mynetworks (and it usually is), it'll be a lot more liberal with where it'll accept for11:48
hooverok thanks shauno11:48
hooverthough this blog entry claims localhost mail should also work:11:49
hooverhttp://thinlight.org/2012/03/10/postfix-only-allow-whitelisted-recipient-domains/11:49
hooverah ok, that's the reason, mail is rejected when talking smtp via telnet from another client11:51
shaunohis smtpd_recipient_restrictions (step1) is relevant there.  he has only recipients matching the hashfile.  most configurations will also have permit_mynetworks in that list, which gives localhost carte blanche11:52
hooverHm, I copied his restrictions line verbatim11:54
hooverNo other entries in main.cf, either11:54
hooverso it's weird localhost should have the card blanche11:54
hooverSorry, I meant localhost mail should be blocked in 07:4911:55
mungojerrycard blanche? is that like mange all? or petits peas12:40
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mungojerryhow do i create a distribution curve in libreoffice?13:24
bigcalmmungojerry: has google not helped?13:50
mungojerrybigcalm, i got some incorrect answers and started installing mathematica instead13:50
mungojerryi guess it's not straightforward since i need to put the results into "bins" so that it counts the frequency13:51
mungojerryall i have is the raw stats e.g. 113.4 , 113.5, 119.5, ...13:52
mungojerry39000 of them13:52
MartijnVdSgnuplot!13:54
MartijnVdShttp://www.ruskabebic.com/wp/gnuplot-for-commoners/gnuplot-3/13:54
MartijnVdSmungojerry: ^13:55
Azelphurhalp, my headset isn't working :( https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/August/pulseaudio.png13:57
Azelphurit worked before, I think an update may have killed it13:58
mungojerryMartijnVdS, thanks, i'll try that13:59
Azelphurfixed it, killall pulseaudio saves the day for no apparent reason.14:05
mungojerryMartijnVdS, mathematica does it in 3 lilnes though14:07
popeythats one proper fugly theme you have there Azelphur14:13
Azelphurpopey: <314:14
popey:)14:14
Azelphuryea, gtk 3.x broke the theme I use14:14
popeyalso, hows the bitcoin mining going?14:14
AzelphurI need to find a new one14:14
popeywhat pool / software do you use these days?14:14
gordi am also curious about how bitcoin mining goes... in the summer heat14:14
Azelphurpopey: not too bad, I don't make anywhere near as much as I used to (only like £100 a month), I'm selling the hardware now14:14
popeythe value of blocks is rising steadily14:14
Azelphurpopey: I'm on a private pool for people with high hashrates, the pool pays me rather than me paying the pool :P14:15
popeyahh14:15
Azelphurand I use phoenix on BAMT14:15
gordthe value of blocks rises but the time taken to get a block also rises no?14:15
Azelphurpopey: I have ASICs on preorder for October14:15
Azelphur120GH/sec14:15
popeygolly14:15
Azelphuryep, serious business14:15
AzelphurI mostly play bitcoin investments now though14:15
Azelphurit's super easy to get 6.9% a week14:16
Azelphurbut on some insane lucky days I've done like 200%14:16
Azelphurpopey: are you after a setup for yourself?14:17
popeymaybe14:21
Azelphurpopey: well I'm quite happy to educate you a bit, are you buying hardware or using existing hardware?14:21
popeyoh, nothing anytime soon14:22
popeyi have a box i generated some blocks on ages back14:22
Azelphur:O14:22
Azelphuryou generated some /blocks/ and you still have the coins?14:22
Azelphuras in, you have multiplies of 50 coins?14:22
popeysorry, coins14:22
popeymeh14:22
Azelphurlol14:23
Azelphurwas gonna say14:23
popeyi have more than 50 coins though, yeah :)14:23
Azelphurpopey: that's quite a lot of money you know :)14:23
popeyi know :)14:23
Azelphurhehe14:23
Azelphurpopey: I once actually bumped into someone who had done that, he tried out bitcoin when it first came out, mined a few blocks, got bored and forgot about it14:24
Azelphursaw me talking about it in IRC and said "Oh yea I did that when it came out mined a few blocks"14:24
Azelphurturned out he had about £2k worth of BTC haha14:24
popeyyeah, i forget about it for a while now and then14:24
popeythen check the price14:24
Azelphurpopey: you might be interested in dumping some of that cash into one of the bitcoin banks (make your money work for you \o/)14:24
ali1234lol14:25
ali1234there are no bitcoin banks worth trusting14:25
Azelphuror as ali1234 points out, have the bank run away with your money and laugh at you14:25
AzelphurxD14:25
* Azelphur is banking on the former14:25
ali1234they are all pass throughs for the pirate ponzi scheme14:25
popeyheh14:26
popeyi bought most of mine back when they were ~2USD/coin14:26
AzelphurI have my money spread out between a lot of investments, so assuming the whole house of cards doesn't come crumbling down it should be good14:26
Azelphurpopey: 6.9% a week is hard to turn down though :P14:27
popeydepends how much time/effort/cost is involved14:28
Azelphurmake account > put money into account > put feet up and either A) Watch your money grow, or B) Watch your money disappear14:29
AzelphurxD14:29
Azelphurthat said there's been no known cases of the banks defaulting (yet)14:29
ali1234that's because every single one of them just takes your money and puts it in pirate14:29
ali1234also, bitcoinica defaulted14:30
Azelphurali1234: bitcoinica wasn't a bank, and while there are a lot of pirate passthroughs, there are lots of others too :)14:30
ali1234bitcoinica was a bank actually14:31
* Azelphur shrugs14:31
ali1234they were paying interest on deposits near the end14:31
AzelphurI avoided it from the get go anyway14:31
ali1234it's certainly more of a bank than pirate14:31
ali1234i mean they had a disclosed business mode, even if it was stupid14:31
Azelphurthat pretty much goes with what I was saying anyway, it's risky :)14:31
Azelphurbut the rewards can be good too, I'm up >50% on my initial investment with pirate now14:31
popeywhat does "puts it in pirate" mean?14:32
Azelphursorry, >100%14:32
directhexi assume bitcoin difficulty currently means you need a cluster of 4-gpu machines working for 72 hours per coin14:32
Azelphurpopey: pirate runs a bank14:32
ali1234popey: pirate runs a ponzi scheme14:32
Azelphuropinions are fun :D14:32
ali1234he pays 6.9% interest per WEEK14:32
ali1234he has never disclosed how he does this14:32
ali1234nobody knows who he is14:32
ali1234his ponzi scheme has minimum investment limits14:32
ali1234and he has a pyramid scheme type system for "resellers"14:33
popeyright14:33
Azelphurhe also pays out, and so far nobody actually has any proof that he's a ponzi scheme14:33
ali1234basically do not touch it with a long stick14:33
Azelphurhe also has a huge trading reputation on -otc14:33
popeyand then one day everyone tries to withdraw their money...14:33
Azelphurpopey: all banks fall over if there is a run on the bank14:34
Azelphurso that's kinda a null point14:34
Azelphurbut yea, it is a gamble to invest in pirate, high risk high reward, I've taken huge payouts from pirate.14:34
ali1234the difference between pirate and a bank is a bank fails if everyone withdraws their balance14:34
ali1234pirate ponzi fails if everyone tries to withdraw their interest14:35
Azelphurali1234: you realise most of the resellers default to pay out the interest, right?14:35
ali1234so what?14:35
ali1234most is not 100%14:36
Azelphurlol14:36
ali1234as soon as new suckers stop buying it it will default14:36
Azelphurali1234: but yea, I've already made the amount I put in back, so as usual I've already won :)14:36
Azelphurworst case scenario I come out with 0, back where I started14:37
AzelphurXD14:37
ali1234when it happens people will be shocked to find there is no money and pirate is just some 14 yo kid in his parents basement who recently bought a ferrari despite having no job14:37
Azelphurhaha14:37
Azelphurali1234: and in the meantime I'm happily bringing in £300+ a week worth of btc in interest payments alone :D14:38
bigcalmHave you tried converting any of that into real money?14:41
Azelphurbigcalm: yup, huge amounts.14:41
AzelphurI have converted about £2,000 out, and I have approaching £15,000 in.14:42
AzelphurI'm playing for a house :p14:42
mungojerryMartijnVdS, ended up using gnuplot :D14:44
mungojerryAzelphur, but your capital remains in the pirate bank?15:34
mungojerrytake it out now and you win15:36
Azelphurmungojerry: no, I've actually withdrew (and spent) most of my initial investment15:36
mungojerryah ok15:36
mungojerrythen you are the near the bootom of the pyramid15:36
Azelphuradmittedly straight back into the bitcoin economy, but nothing to do with pirate :p15:36
mungojerrythese schemes only work on jealousy. because the whole idea of bitcoin is crazy, but so long as you hear of peple making money, then suckers keep coming15:37
extrasolaranyone here still use Hams?15:37
mungojerrya bit like the dotcom bubble in the 90s15:38
Azelphurif it is indeed a ponzi, which is unprozen at present :)15:38
mungojerrywell, it pretty much is proven since the new investors money pays the interest15:38
ali1234nobody can prove it is a ponzi until it defaults15:38
Azelphurhow do you know that?15:38
Azelphurindeed15:39
ali1234this is true of all ponzis15:39
mungojerrywhen that stops everyone loses evertything15:39
ali1234what's the minimum investment now? 1000 btc/$12000?15:39
Azelphurali1234: something like that, he usually only deals with passthrough people now15:40
extrasolarDoesn't it cost more in electicity15:40
extrasolarthan the value of the bitcoins?15:40
Azelphurextrasolar: nope15:41
extrasolarin that case, sounds worth it15:41
extrasolarhow easy is it to change them to real currency15:42
Azelphurrelatively easy assuming you have a bank account15:42
ali1234the elctricity cost is about 75-90% the value of the bitcoins15:42
Azelphurit's about 50% for me, mining on a old GPU rig15:42
Azelphur(Mining on standard PC hardware is unprofitable in the majority of cases, and will soon be unprofitable in all cases)15:43
extrasolarinteresting15:43
extrasolarwhat are the cons?15:43
extrasolarwhat's the deal....15:43
Azelphurpeople like ali1234 run around calling everything a scam and a ponzi15:43
Azelphur:D15:43
ali1234the cons are that bitcoins might be worth nothing tomorrow15:44
extrasolarah15:44
Azelphur^ that's a valid con15:44
Azelphurbrb :p15:44
extrasolarhow about exchanging them daily?15:44
Azelphuryou can do that15:44
ali1234also if you are not extremely paranoid you will get scammed or hacked15:44
directhexi made a few hundred then jumped ship15:46
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grogoreohi16:05
grogoreoIn Unity 12.04 how can  you stop the window border and controls being put in the global menu?16:09
popeynot sure you can easily16:09
grogoreoI wondered if you could just delete one of the ayatana packages, but still keep the global menu16:11
Azelphurhmm, should I give someone a negative/neutral rating on ebay for taking a full 10 days to dispatch an item?16:31
czajkowskiAzelphur: depends when they said they would16:32
czajkowskisome say they wont post till x day which could be after you paid as they only go to a post office some days16:33
Azelphurwell I ordered it, waited for the estimated delivery, contacted him and he said he was sorry and he'd ship it tomorrow, then he didn't ship it for another 4 days -_-16:34
czajkowskiwell if everything ese was fine mark it down on shipping16:34
czajkowskior communication16:34
Azelphuryea16:34
Azelphurthe delay in shipping is making me think it's a stolen phone, I have a sneaky suspicion16:35
Azelphurwill have to find a way to check the IMEI when it gets here16:35
TheOpenSourcererIf you find out could you be done for receiving stolen goods?16:36
AzelphurI doubt it, not if I report it16:36
TheOpenSourcererDid you pay with PayPal.16:36
Azelphuryep16:36
TheOpenSourcererOK should be able to get it refunded then.16:36
Azelphurindeed16:37
czajkowskiAzelphur: did the seller have a good rating ?16:37
Azelphurczajkowski: he had like 25 good feedbacks16:37
Azelphurbit low but I figured I'd go with it16:37
czajkowskinot a lot16:37
Azelphurbut yea, with the multiple delays in shipping I'm tempted to say it was the time required to "procure" the phone16:39
Azelphurso will definitely check it when it gets here16:39
PendulumAzelphur: where did it ship from?16:43
AzelphurPendulum: UK16:43
PendulumAzelphur: Ah, okay. I have a friend who works for a mobile phone seller (handles phones from multiple providers) where they've started having real problems with people buying phones on a contract, then selling the phones on ebay to Europe and defaulting on the contract16:45
Azelphurfun16:46
Pendulumbecause they default on the contract, it means the seller has to reimburse the provider for the phone16:46
ali1234hopefully it becomes such a problem that they quit doing that whole "free phone then you pay 3x over in monthly fees" deal16:47
Pendulumso they've started getting extra strict on verifying credit (in fact during the "credit verification call" the provider will ask the seller if they think it's a legit sale or not and will turn down if they say no)16:47
sebsebsebhi17:01
jacobwevenage17:56
jacobwbavarian holidday tomorrow \o/17:56
christel\o/18:07
brobostigono/18:11
brobostigonbeer :)18:12
davmor2christel: how's your break?18:19
christelit could be worse! :D18:20
davmor2christel: Yeah you could be at home :D18:20
christelhahaha18:20
christeli like it at home tho :P18:21
sebsebsebchristel: oh your in Norway?18:22
sebsebsebI assume18:22
christeli am indeed :)18:22
sebsebsebWhy' that anyway, got relatives there? Or just a holiday?18:22
christelvisiting family yeah :)18:23
sebsebsebYou're part Norweigan?18:23
christeli am entirely norwegian!18:24
sebsebseboh18:24
Pendulumsebsebseb: you sound a bit disappointed there18:24
jacobw(viking)18:24
sebsebsebPendulum: lol why?18:24
* sebsebseb half Sweed18:24
Pendulumsebsebseb: the "oh" just came across slight disappointed to me for some reason18:24
sebsebsebPendulum: no it was like a oh right, well meant to have been one18:25
davmor2christel: I'd of said mostly mad, with part hilarious myself, but you kid yourself that you are entirely Norwegian if it makes you feel better ;)18:25
sebsebsebbeen like that18:25
christeldavmor2: :P18:25
christeli am not sure i could feel any better...18:26
davmor2christel: Sorry couldn't resist :)18:26
Pendulumchristel: that's because you're perfect the way you are ;)18:26
christeldavmor2: oh irresistible too...18:27
christelPendulum: <318:27
davmor2christel: :) hahaha, indeed :)18:29
SuperEngineerOnly one hour to go before it's #UUPC100  :D18:31
christeloh so it is!18:31
sebsebsebI don't normally listen to Ubuntu UK Podcast, have a bit before though18:32
sebsebseb,but i'll take part in this one Live  in IRC :d18:32
christel:D18:37
sebsebsebchristel: :D :D18:38
sebsebsebchristel: So I assume your fluent at Norweigan, but what you like at the similar Swedish language? :D18:43
christelpretty decent ;)18:44
sebsebsebockj :)18:44
christelhehe18:49
jacobwdang, no coffee left :(18:50
christelaw18:50
christelmake moar coffee!18:50
jacobwi'm totally out of coffee18:53
* jacobw doesn't remember this ever happening before18:54
christeloh wow18:54
jacobwi guess i'll just have to go to sleep :P18:55
christelhaha18:56
christelnot go out to buy coffee!?18:56
jacobweverything seems to close at 8 here18:58
jacobwi need to go for a walk anyway, so i'll find out soon18:58
christelhehe18:58
jacobwi'm enjoying mad men far too much right now18:58
sebsebsebjacobw: That's the show they put on Sky Atlatnic I think19:03
sebsebsebdon't get that channel oh well19:03
sebsebsebthere's  Mad Dogs and Mad Men19:04
jacobwmad men :)19:04
sebsebsebthere was another show with a similar name showing on Sky One19:04
jacobwsad men?19:05
jacobwer, or suits19:06
ali1234anybody know what WER*.tmp.hdmp files are?19:23
ali1234ok, they are crash reports19:24
brobostigonx-files, :)20:05
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diploevening all20:20
bigcalmHi diplo20:35
christeldiplo!! how was camping? :D20:52
christel(and hi bigcalm!)20:52
diplochristel: Enjoyable but exhausting!20:55
christel:D20:55
diploI can barely move now, off to sleep shortly i think20:55
diplo4 loads of washing done already20:55
christelhehe20:55
christelwell done!20:55
bigcalmHey hey christel :)20:57
christelHALLO20:57
zleaphello20:59
christelheya zleap! \o/20:59
zleaphows you21:00
christeli am well! yourself? :)21:00
zleapi am good21:00
zleapworking on the club website atm, well nearly finished,  updating stuff21:00
christel:D21:00
zleapi keep finding stuff to respond to mainly21:00
christelhehe21:02
christelis that good (or bad?)21:02
zleapgood really,  its simple stuff mainly21:02
zleape.g messagfe on news page about needing new players for under 6/7 so i responded with an e-mail addy for the coach21:02
zleapalso put stuff on the forum,  which I know people ready as  I posted a message about the raspberry PI got 39 people reading it21:03
christel:D21:13
zleapyeah its called sneaking in a plug cos I can :)21:14
zleapwell a plug disguised as asking if anyone else has one21:14
christel*grin*21:15
zleapyep21:15
zleapwhich reminds me the devon and cornwall thread on the rasp pi site has gone quiet,21:15
zleapit was qujite acive for a few days well me and another user21:15
zleapquite21:15
christeli am pondering embracing my inner gay and buying a new case for my pi (http://www.pibow.com/pages/pre-order-a-pibow.html -- they are supercute)21:15
zleapyeah that looks nice21:16
zleapi am getting a basic case friday21:16
mgdmI didn't get a preorder code thing for a PI21:16
mgdmno idea how I'm going to get one now :)21:16
zleaphmm21:16
zleapthey should e-mail you when you can order21:16
mgdmwell, I never signed up21:16
zleapah21:17
mgdmso I think I'll be waiting around about (2^32) - 1 years21:17
christelaw21:17
zleapnaa,  the are making something like 4000 a week atm and you can order more than one21:17
christelzleap: i just have one of those laser cut crust cases atm -- that one is cute though (the pibow)21:17
mgdmI know someone with a 3D printer and a laser cutter21:17
mgdmI can make my own case21:18
mgdm\o/21:18
christelmind some guy that turned up to AlanBell's jam had a wicked awesome case made from lego :D21:18
Dave2mmm, jam21:18
zleapyeah the pibow looks really nice,  however i just ordered a basic one as it simply protects my Pi from damage, I can take it places without worrying about it getting damaged or use it with out worrying about short circuits etc21:18
christel:)21:18
* zleap hopes to demo at work when i get back in september - teachers seem interested21:19
christel:D21:22
zleapnot sure if schools have lots of monitos with hdmi input,   may be something they can get for the after school IT club or something initially21:24
bigcalmKeep forgetting that json doesn't like optional , on the last element in an array21:41
* bigcalm un-breaks stuff21:42
christelbigcalm == toni braxton21:50
* bigcalm is pretty :)21:50
christelajaja21:58
christeler ahaha21:58
MartijnVdSkekeke?21:59
christeli'm azn. kekeke21:59
christeldus dus.21:59
MartijnVdSZzz o'clock21:59
christelnn MartijnVdS, slaap lekker!21:59
MartijnVdSchristel: dankje! :)21:59
christel<322:00
bigcalmSleep now :)22:45
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