=== emma is now known as em [07:55] good morning my pretties [07:55] \o [07:59] MartijnVdS \o/ [08:01] morning all [08:02] morning AlarmBell \o/ [08:17] Good morning peeps :) [08:21] morning [08:21] Eye spy a popey [08:32] bigcalm, popey o/ [08:34] morning [08:35] SuperMatt \o/ [08:35] ahoy! [08:35] * bigcalm tickles christel hello :D [08:38] RAWR [08:38] i do enjoy a good tickle in the morning [08:38] today's extremely exciting task is to learn all about puppet [08:38] hehe [08:39] /o\ [08:51] yay puppet [08:54] Thanks, I now have this firmly lodged in my brain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrs8CgpH980 [09:00] SuperMatt: Puppet is coolness [09:02] i can smell waffles [09:03] anyone here use weechat and willing to help a n00b? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:20] good morning everyone. [09:22] hello brobostigon [09:22] hello popey [09:56] Morning all [09:57] morning davmor2 [09:58] brobostigon: morning [10:20] shauno, looks good. however is the mk802 v2 a better one to get? [10:20] at least it looks safer [10:20] * popey hugs his air con === KillerJim|Away is now known as KillerJim [10:23] howdy all [10:24] trip to Aberdeen later today [10:24] hi andylockran [10:24] mungojerry: I didn't realise they were onto a 2nd generation already. I'd just heard that device mentioned a few times, so raised an eyebrow when it plopped in my inbox [10:24] it'd explain moving them at half price though [10:24] shauno, whats that? [10:25] mk802 'android on a thumbstick' thingo, today's ibood deal [10:26] ahh! [10:26] looks sweet but i don't have hdmi telly [10:26] or monitor [10:27] also, http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-2-4G-wilress-qwerty-mini-keyboard-with-touch-pad-10A/810525_535669384.html [10:28] i have a boxee remote I'd use for this kind of thing [10:29] don't like the idea of using a pointing device with telly [10:33] +1 [10:35] I use my ipad as a remote for xbmc. sure it hates freedom, but it works well [10:40] i have two xbmcs installs. for one i use a real usb IR remote, for the other i use the xbmc remote. its nice to be able to pick shows from the remote, but damn navigating anything with it is a pain [10:40] touch devices are a pain in general [10:40] xbmc remote? [10:40] oh, on a device? [10:41] yeah my phone [10:41] your thumb is just really bad at figuring out if you are hitting UP or ENTER without having bumps of some kind [10:58] morning [11:03] Who is messing up the Rackspace cloud? [11:03] * bigcalm grumbles at tech yet again [11:12] any postfix experts around? [11:12] hey biggie [11:12] I could use some help with header_checks [11:13] hoover: what about it? [11:14] I need to restrict mails to a single recipient domain [11:14] my header check works with the postmap check, but not within postfix (all mails are rejected) [11:14] I've tried this regexp: [11:15] !/^To:.*@good-domain.*/ REJECT illegial recipient [11:15] hoover: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [11:16] and this apparenty works fine with postmap -fq [11:25] err [11:25] why are you doing that, rather than just telling postfix to only accept mail for that domain? [11:31] recepient_doamin or summat innit? [11:33] hm [11:33] it's supposed to be a mail relay server [11:33] recipient_restrictions maybe? [11:34] I'll check into it [11:34] I'd think you'd just trim down smtpd_recipient_restrictions ? [11:37] Weird, doesn't seem to work either [11:37] relay should be quite simple, relay_domains = a list of hosts you accept for, and relayhost = the host to relay them to [11:45] I'll try the relay_domains param [11:45] going back to these mk802 things, is there a timeline for getting hardware acceleration for the mali 400 gpu? [11:45] on ubuntu [11:46] /linux [11:47] Hm, maybe it's because I'm sending mail off localhost instead of using the relay properly? [11:48] could be; if localhost is in $mynetworks (and it usually is), it'll be a lot more liberal with where it'll accept for [11:48] ok thanks shauno [11:49] though this blog entry claims localhost mail should also work: [11:49] http://thinlight.org/2012/03/10/postfix-only-allow-whitelisted-recipient-domains/ [11:51] ah ok, that's the reason, mail is rejected when talking smtp via telnet from another client [11:52] his smtpd_recipient_restrictions (step1) is relevant there. he has only recipients matching the hashfile. most configurations will also have permit_mynetworks in that list, which gives localhost carte blanche [11:54] Hm, I copied his restrictions line verbatim [11:54] No other entries in main.cf, either [11:54] so it's weird localhost should have the card blanche [11:55] Sorry, I meant localhost mail should be blocked in 07:49 [12:40] card blanche? is that like mange all? or petits peas === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [13:24] how do i create a distribution curve in libreoffice? [13:50] mungojerry: has google not helped? [13:50] bigcalm, i got some incorrect answers and started installing mathematica instead [13:51] i guess it's not straightforward since i need to put the results into "bins" so that it counts the frequency [13:52] all i have is the raw stats e.g. 113.4 , 113.5, 119.5, ... [13:52] 39000 of them [13:54] gnuplot! [13:54] http://www.ruskabebic.com/wp/gnuplot-for-commoners/gnuplot-3/ [13:55] mungojerry: ^ [13:57] halp, my headset isn't working :( https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/August/pulseaudio.png [13:58] it worked before, I think an update may have killed it [13:59] MartijnVdS, thanks, i'll try that [14:05] fixed it, killall pulseaudio saves the day for no apparent reason. [14:07] MartijnVdS, mathematica does it in 3 lilnes though [14:13] thats one proper fugly theme you have there Azelphur [14:14] popey: <3 [14:14] :) [14:14] yea, gtk 3.x broke the theme I use [14:14] also, hows the bitcoin mining going? [14:14] I need to find a new one [14:14] what pool / software do you use these days? [14:14] i am also curious about how bitcoin mining goes... in the summer heat [14:14] popey: not too bad, I don't make anywhere near as much as I used to (only like £100 a month), I'm selling the hardware now [14:14] the value of blocks is rising steadily [14:15] popey: I'm on a private pool for people with high hashrates, the pool pays me rather than me paying the pool :P [14:15] ahh [14:15] and I use phoenix on BAMT [14:15] the value of blocks rises but the time taken to get a block also rises no? [14:15] popey: I have ASICs on preorder for October [14:15] 120GH/sec [14:15] golly [14:15] yep, serious business [14:15] I mostly play bitcoin investments now though [14:16] it's super easy to get 6.9% a week [14:16] but on some insane lucky days I've done like 200% [14:17] popey: are you after a setup for yourself? [14:21] maybe [14:21] popey: well I'm quite happy to educate you a bit, are you buying hardware or using existing hardware? [14:22] oh, nothing anytime soon [14:22] i have a box i generated some blocks on ages back [14:22] :O [14:22] you generated some /blocks/ and you still have the coins? [14:22] as in, you have multiplies of 50 coins? [14:22] sorry, coins [14:22] meh [14:23] lol [14:23] was gonna say [14:23] i have more than 50 coins though, yeah :) [14:23] popey: that's quite a lot of money you know :) [14:23] i know :) [14:23] hehe [14:24] popey: I once actually bumped into someone who had done that, he tried out bitcoin when it first came out, mined a few blocks, got bored and forgot about it [14:24] saw me talking about it in IRC and said "Oh yea I did that when it came out mined a few blocks" [14:24] turned out he had about £2k worth of BTC haha [14:24] yeah, i forget about it for a while now and then [14:24] then check the price [14:24] popey: you might be interested in dumping some of that cash into one of the bitcoin banks (make your money work for you \o/) [14:25] lol [14:25] there are no bitcoin banks worth trusting [14:25] or as ali1234 points out, have the bank run away with your money and laugh at you [14:25] xD [14:25] * Azelphur is banking on the former [14:25] they are all pass throughs for the pirate ponzi scheme [14:26] heh [14:26] i bought most of mine back when they were ~2USD/coin [14:26] I have my money spread out between a lot of investments, so assuming the whole house of cards doesn't come crumbling down it should be good [14:27] popey: 6.9% a week is hard to turn down though :P [14:28] depends how much time/effort/cost is involved [14:29] make account > put money into account > put feet up and either A) Watch your money grow, or B) Watch your money disappear [14:29] xD [14:29] that said there's been no known cases of the banks defaulting (yet) [14:29] that's because every single one of them just takes your money and puts it in pirate [14:30] also, bitcoinica defaulted [14:30] ali1234: bitcoinica wasn't a bank, and while there are a lot of pirate passthroughs, there are lots of others too :) [14:31] bitcoinica was a bank actually [14:31] * Azelphur shrugs [14:31] they were paying interest on deposits near the end [14:31] I avoided it from the get go anyway [14:31] it's certainly more of a bank than pirate [14:31] i mean they had a disclosed business mode, even if it was stupid [14:31] that pretty much goes with what I was saying anyway, it's risky :) [14:31] but the rewards can be good too, I'm up >50% on my initial investment with pirate now [14:32] what does "puts it in pirate" mean? [14:32] sorry, >100% [14:32] i assume bitcoin difficulty currently means you need a cluster of 4-gpu machines working for 72 hours per coin [14:32] popey: pirate runs a bank [14:32] popey: pirate runs a ponzi scheme [14:32] opinions are fun :D [14:32] he pays 6.9% interest per WEEK [14:32] he has never disclosed how he does this [14:32] nobody knows who he is [14:32] his ponzi scheme has minimum investment limits [14:33] and he has a pyramid scheme type system for "resellers" [14:33] right [14:33] he also pays out, and so far nobody actually has any proof that he's a ponzi scheme [14:33] basically do not touch it with a long stick [14:33] he also has a huge trading reputation on -otc [14:33] and then one day everyone tries to withdraw their money... [14:34] popey: all banks fall over if there is a run on the bank [14:34] so that's kinda a null point [14:34] but yea, it is a gamble to invest in pirate, high risk high reward, I've taken huge payouts from pirate. [14:34] the difference between pirate and a bank is a bank fails if everyone withdraws their balance [14:35] pirate ponzi fails if everyone tries to withdraw their interest [14:35] ali1234: you realise most of the resellers default to pay out the interest, right? [14:35] so what? [14:36] most is not 100% [14:36] lol [14:36] as soon as new suckers stop buying it it will default [14:36] ali1234: but yea, I've already made the amount I put in back, so as usual I've already won :) [14:37] worst case scenario I come out with 0, back where I started [14:37] XD [14:37] when it happens people will be shocked to find there is no money and pirate is just some 14 yo kid in his parents basement who recently bought a ferrari despite having no job [14:37] haha [14:38] ali1234: and in the meantime I'm happily bringing in £300+ a week worth of btc in interest payments alone :D [14:41] Have you tried converting any of that into real money? [14:41] bigcalm: yup, huge amounts. [14:42] I have converted about £2,000 out, and I have approaching £15,000 in. [14:42] I'm playing for a house :p [14:44] MartijnVdS, ended up using gnuplot :D [15:34] Azelphur, but your capital remains in the pirate bank? [15:36] take it out now and you win [15:36] mungojerry: no, I've actually withdrew (and spent) most of my initial investment [15:36] ah ok [15:36] then you are the near the bootom of the pyramid [15:36] admittedly straight back into the bitcoin economy, but nothing to do with pirate :p [15:37] these schemes only work on jealousy. because the whole idea of bitcoin is crazy, but so long as you hear of peple making money, then suckers keep coming [15:37] anyone here still use Hams? [15:38] a bit like the dotcom bubble in the 90s [15:38] if it is indeed a ponzi, which is unprozen at present :) [15:38] well, it pretty much is proven since the new investors money pays the interest [15:38] nobody can prove it is a ponzi until it defaults [15:38] how do you know that? [15:39] indeed [15:39] this is true of all ponzis [15:39] when that stops everyone loses evertything [15:39] what's the minimum investment now? 1000 btc/$12000? [15:40] ali1234: something like that, he usually only deals with passthrough people now [15:40] Doesn't it cost more in electicity [15:40] than the value of the bitcoins? [15:41] extrasolar: nope [15:41] in that case, sounds worth it [15:42] how easy is it to change them to real currency [15:42] relatively easy assuming you have a bank account [15:42] the elctricity cost is about 75-90% the value of the bitcoins [15:42] it's about 50% for me, mining on a old GPU rig [15:43] (Mining on standard PC hardware is unprofitable in the majority of cases, and will soon be unprofitable in all cases) [15:43] interesting [15:43] what are the cons? [15:43] what's the deal.... [15:43] people like ali1234 run around calling everything a scam and a ponzi [15:43] :D [15:44] the cons are that bitcoins might be worth nothing tomorrow [15:44] ah [15:44] ^ that's a valid con [15:44] brb :p [15:44] how about exchanging them daily? [15:44] you can do that [15:44] also if you are not extremely paranoid you will get scammed or hacked [15:46] i made a few hundred then jumped ship === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:05] hi [16:09] In Unity 12.04 how can you stop the window border and controls being put in the global menu? [16:09] not sure you can easily [16:11] I wondered if you could just delete one of the ayatana packages, but still keep the global menu [16:31] hmm, should I give someone a negative/neutral rating on ebay for taking a full 10 days to dispatch an item? [16:32] Azelphur: depends when they said they would [16:33] some say they wont post till x day which could be after you paid as they only go to a post office some days [16:34] well I ordered it, waited for the estimated delivery, contacted him and he said he was sorry and he'd ship it tomorrow, then he didn't ship it for another 4 days -_- [16:34] well if everything ese was fine mark it down on shipping [16:34] or communication [16:34] yea [16:35] the delay in shipping is making me think it's a stolen phone, I have a sneaky suspicion [16:35] will have to find a way to check the IMEI when it gets here [16:36] If you find out could you be done for receiving stolen goods? [16:36] I doubt it, not if I report it [16:36] Did you pay with PayPal. [16:36] yep [16:36] OK should be able to get it refunded then. [16:37] indeed [16:37] Azelphur: did the seller have a good rating ? [16:37] czajkowski: he had like 25 good feedbacks [16:37] bit low but I figured I'd go with it [16:37] not a lot [16:39] but yea, with the multiple delays in shipping I'm tempted to say it was the time required to "procure" the phone [16:39] so will definitely check it when it gets here [16:43] Azelphur: where did it ship from? [16:43] Pendulum: UK [16:45] Azelphur: Ah, okay. I have a friend who works for a mobile phone seller (handles phones from multiple providers) where they've started having real problems with people buying phones on a contract, then selling the phones on ebay to Europe and defaulting on the contract [16:46] fun [16:46] because they default on the contract, it means the seller has to reimburse the provider for the phone [16:47] hopefully it becomes such a problem that they quit doing that whole "free phone then you pay 3x over in monthly fees" deal [16:47] so they've started getting extra strict on verifying credit (in fact during the "credit verification call" the provider will ask the seller if they think it's a legit sale or not and will turn down if they say no) [17:01] hi [17:56] evenage [17:56] bavarian holidday tomorrow \o/ [18:07] \o/ [18:11] o/ [18:12] beer :) [18:19] christel: how's your break? [18:20] it could be worse! :D [18:20] christel: Yeah you could be at home :D [18:20] hahaha [18:21] i like it at home tho :P [18:22] christel: oh your in Norway? [18:22] I assume [18:22] i am indeed :) [18:22] Why' that anyway, got relatives there? Or just a holiday? [18:23] visiting family yeah :) [18:23] You're part Norweigan? [18:24] i am entirely norwegian! [18:24] oh [18:24] sebsebseb: you sound a bit disappointed there [18:24] (viking) [18:24] Pendulum: lol why? [18:24] * sebsebseb half Sweed [18:24] sebsebseb: the "oh" just came across slight disappointed to me for some reason [18:25] Pendulum: no it was like a oh right, well meant to have been one [18:25] christel: I'd of said mostly mad, with part hilarious myself, but you kid yourself that you are entirely Norwegian if it makes you feel better ;) [18:25] been like that [18:25] davmor2: :P [18:26] i am not sure i could feel any better... [18:26] christel: Sorry couldn't resist :) [18:26] christel: that's because you're perfect the way you are ;) [18:27] davmor2: oh irresistible too... [18:27] Pendulum: <3 [18:29] christel: :) hahaha, indeed :) [18:31] Only one hour to go before it's #UUPC100 :D [18:31] oh so it is! [18:32] I don't normally listen to Ubuntu UK Podcast, have a bit before though [18:32] ,but i'll take part in this one Live in IRC :d [18:37] :D [18:38] christel: :D :D [18:43] christel: So I assume your fluent at Norweigan, but what you like at the similar Swedish language? :D [18:44] pretty decent ;) [18:44] ockj :) [18:49] hehe [18:50] dang, no coffee left :( [18:50] aw [18:50] make moar coffee! [18:53] i'm totally out of coffee [18:54] * jacobw doesn't remember this ever happening before [18:54] oh wow [18:55] i guess i'll just have to go to sleep :P [18:56] haha [18:56] not go out to buy coffee!? [18:58] everything seems to close at 8 here [18:58] i need to go for a walk anyway, so i'll find out soon [18:58] hehe [18:58] i'm enjoying mad men far too much right now [19:03] jacobw: That's the show they put on Sky Atlatnic I think [19:03] don't get that channel oh well [19:04] there's Mad Dogs and Mad Men [19:04] mad men :) [19:04] there was another show with a similar name showing on Sky One [19:05] sad men? [19:06] er, or suits [19:23] anybody know what WER*.tmp.hdmp files are? [19:24] ok, they are crash reports [20:05] x-files, :) === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [20:20] evening all [20:35] Hi diplo [20:52] diplo!! how was camping? :D [20:52] (and hi bigcalm!) [20:55] christel: Enjoyable but exhausting! [20:55] :D [20:55] I can barely move now, off to sleep shortly i think [20:55] 4 loads of washing done already [20:55] hehe [20:55] well done! [20:57] Hey hey christel :) [20:57] HALLO [20:59] hello [20:59] heya zleap! \o/ [21:00] hows you [21:00] i am well! yourself? :) [21:00] i am good [21:00] working on the club website atm, well nearly finished, updating stuff [21:00] :D [21:00] i keep finding stuff to respond to mainly [21:02] hehe [21:02] is that good (or bad?) [21:02] good really, its simple stuff mainly [21:02] e.g messagfe on news page about needing new players for under 6/7 so i responded with an e-mail addy for the coach [21:03] also put stuff on the forum, which I know people ready as I posted a message about the raspberry PI got 39 people reading it [21:13] :D [21:14] yeah its called sneaking in a plug cos I can :) [21:14] well a plug disguised as asking if anyone else has one [21:15] *grin* [21:15] yep [21:15] which reminds me the devon and cornwall thread on the rasp pi site has gone quiet, [21:15] it was qujite acive for a few days well me and another user [21:15] quite [21:15] i am pondering embracing my inner gay and buying a new case for my pi (http://www.pibow.com/pages/pre-order-a-pibow.html -- they are supercute) [21:16] yeah that looks nice [21:16] i am getting a basic case friday [21:16] I didn't get a preorder code thing for a PI [21:16] no idea how I'm going to get one now :) [21:16] hmm [21:16] they should e-mail you when you can order [21:16] well, I never signed up [21:17] ah [21:17] so I think I'll be waiting around about (2^32) - 1 years [21:17] aw [21:17] naa, the are making something like 4000 a week atm and you can order more than one [21:17] zleap: i just have one of those laser cut crust cases atm -- that one is cute though (the pibow) [21:17] I know someone with a 3D printer and a laser cutter [21:18] I can make my own case [21:18] \o/ [21:18] mind some guy that turned up to AlanBell's jam had a wicked awesome case made from lego :D [21:18] mmm, jam [21:18] yeah the pibow looks really nice, however i just ordered a basic one as it simply protects my Pi from damage, I can take it places without worrying about it getting damaged or use it with out worrying about short circuits etc [21:18] :) [21:19] * zleap hopes to demo at work when i get back in september - teachers seem interested [21:22] :D [21:24] not sure if schools have lots of monitos with hdmi input, may be something they can get for the after school IT club or something initially [21:41] Keep forgetting that json doesn't like optional , on the last element in an array [21:42] * bigcalm un-breaks stuff [21:50] bigcalm == toni braxton [21:50] * bigcalm is pretty :) [21:58]