[05:14] <Cheri703> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2012-08-14/
[14:54] <canthus13> Huh. wonder what J21 did.
[17:51] <Unit193> Shell account, someone did something in ##windows, it appears to have been removed pretty much right after.
[17:56] <paultag> hahaha
[18:02] <canthus13> Whee.. we have a netflix tax. :P
[18:03] <canthus13> (Basically, we charge 10 bucks/50gb over your alotted GB/month, and 99% of people going over watch netflix 24/7)
[18:06] <paultag> :|
[18:09] <canthus13> Meh. Netflix accounts for 70% of our bandwith usage. Serves 'em right...
[18:10] <canthus13> If we weren't charged by the likes of Level 3 and Cogent, I'd prolly feel differently.
[18:35]  * Cheri703 doesn't have a cap \\o/
[18:36] <canthus13> Wow. who is your ISP?
[18:36] <Cheri703> time warner
[18:36] <Cheri703> roadrunner
[18:36] <canthus13> most ISPs in the US are capped now.. and TW has random caps, depending on where you live they may be as low as 40GB/month. :/
[18:37] <Cheri703> pfft, yeah, I've burned through that in one tv series ...acquisition...from legitimate sources >.>
[18:39] <canthus13> Heh.
[18:39] <Unit193> Only used a total of 37.28GB this month, not much. :)
[18:39] <thafreak> armstrong isn't capped either
[18:39] <thafreak> ....yet
[18:39] <thafreak> they announced a new "feature" recently
[18:39] <thafreak> that lets you see how much bandwidth you use
[18:39] <canthus13> Bandwidth monitoring?
[18:39] <canthus13> Yep. it's coming.
[18:40] <thafreak> and said it was like "your electric meter"
[18:40] <thafreak> dude, we're about 10-20 times the normal "business" use they claim
[18:40] <thafreak> screw them, bandwidth is nothing like electricity
[18:40] <thafreak> it's not something they're using up resources to generate
[18:41] <thafreak> they're not burning coal to "create" bandwidth
[18:41] <canthus13> Until they stop bandwith metering on backbone lines, this is gonna continue.
[18:41] <thafreak> Imma make my own backbone
[18:41] <canthus13> ISPs get charged by the GB, so they have to pass it on. apparently bulk pricing has gone up due to netflix.
[18:42] <Unit193> thafreak: Make your own network?  Like Iran?
[18:42] <canthus13> thafreakistan?
[18:42] <thafreak> w00t
[18:43] <thafreak> when i'm a millionaire...er, billionaire...I'm going to run my own fiber
[18:43] <thafreak> from my house, to all the places I give a shit about
[18:43] <thafreak> basically, to google's HQ
[18:43] <thafreak> and netflix's HQ
[18:44] <thafreak> and then I'll put up antennas everywhere and let everyone use my private google/netflix network
[18:45] <Cheri703> someone was talking about google's gigabit fiber network in kansas city, it has officially landed on my list of places to consider living :)
[18:45] <canthus13> Heh.
[18:45] <thafreak> kansas was just the winner of their pilot program...
[18:45] <thafreak> by the time you get ready to move, it'll probably be in other cities
[18:45] <thafreak> maybe even mansfield
[18:46] <Cheri703> HA
[18:46] <Cheri703> we just got roadrunner over 15mbps
[18:46] <thafreak> could happen
[18:46] <Cheri703> like a month or two ago
[18:47]  * canthus13 is considering upgrading to 110mbps...
[18:47] <canthus13> If my employer will discount it. Otherwise, I'll just go to 60.
[18:50] <thafreak> I was going to upgrade to the business plan...so i get higher upload speed...but it's like $90/mo...and I think I'm currently paying only like $40
[18:51] <thafreak> and you don't even get ports unblocked untill you are at like several plans above that one
[18:51] <canthus13> Amazing.. Outlook Express moves all the backup files to the recycle bin automatically when you 'compact' the folders.
[18:51] <canthus13> ...
[18:51] <thafreak> but it's still been more reliable than the business DSL my in-laws have
[18:51] <thafreak> that's a feature
[18:51] <thafreak> for people dumb enough to trust outlook express
[18:52] <canthus13> Heh.
[18:52] <thafreak> part of the reason I can't stand sales people...they have a hard on for outlook
[18:52] <thafreak> makes no sense to me...
[18:52] <thafreak> their love of outlook...or just outlook in general makes no sense to me
[18:53] <thafreak> makes me mangry every time I have to use it for something
[18:53] <thafreak> mangry == ( mad + angry )
[18:53] <thafreak> fyi
[18:54]  * canthus13 thought you meant mangy... >.>
[19:13] <thafreak> skellat: you still following the development of that networking that uses the old analog tv frequencies?
[19:13] <skellat> Yeah
[19:14] <skellat> Not very workable in NEO
[19:14] <thafreak> you mean current draft, or you don't think the final product will be very useful here?
[19:14] <skellat> There are White Space Frequency Database Coordinators appointed but...well...it doesn't work as neatly in NEO especially considering signal propagation over Lake Erie
[19:15] <skellat> I had WJR in Detroit and CKLW in Windsor (Ontario) booming in this morning yet couldn't hear WTAM
[19:15] <thafreak> what kind of distance/speed are they planning in the spec?
[19:15] <skellat> This is the time of year when cell phone signals and TV signals carry across the Lake.  Until 911 upgrades happened here in Ashtabula County, there were occasions when you called 911 and somebody in Ontario picked up instead.
[19:16] <thafreak> geez, and the mounties would show up at your house? :)
[19:17] <skellat> Nah, just get really confused.  We've got a Kingsville Township on my side of the lake and the folks across the lake as the crow flies do too
[19:18] <skellat> From what I can tell, the system is still stuck in tests
[19:18] <skellat> It would be great for building in backhaul for cellcos
[19:19] <skellat> This is the furthest things are right now: http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0126/DA-11-131A1.pdf
[19:19] <skellat> Crap
[19:19] <thafreak> is this 802.22?
[19:19] <skellat> You'd think even the folks at Wikipedia could run linkcheckers
[19:19] <skellat> Yeah, 802.22 is the whole White Spaces tech
[19:19] <thafreak> cool...
[19:20] <skellat> Here we go: http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/white-space-database-administration
[19:22] <skellat> Dang it, only one administrator is even approved and there are only still *testing* communities such as Wilmington, North Carolina
[19:23] <thafreak> i saw in wikipedia article that it's roughly 19mbits at a max of 30km, per channel...
[19:24] <thafreak> Is this one of those techs that will be controlled by the gov, or will it be open and anyone can set up a base station?
[19:25] <skellat> Controlled
[19:25] <skellat> Definitely controlled
[19:25] <thafreak> lame...so do you have to get a license or something to be allowed to set up a base station?
[19:26] <skellat> You have to interoperate with the White Spaces databases.  Those databases are what stipulates what is open and what isn't.
[19:26] <skellat> And it doesn't help that only one device has made it through device approval
[19:27] <thafreak> so i'm guessing if some one near me has a base station, I can't also have one, since the frequencies would collide
[19:27] <skellat> :-)
[19:27] <thafreak> well, there goes that idea for setting up my own large scale private network
[19:27] <skellat> Remember, there are 11 some odd channels you can put contemporary wireless routers on and even those unlicensed devices have collision.
[19:28] <skellat> You can have your own large scale network...you just need to build it out with appropriate licensing
[19:28] <thafreak> back to figuring out how to make enough money to run fiber everywhere :)
[19:30] <skellat> The big push should be towards reducing the spectral width of communications.  Spectrum is finite on this planet so improving the efficiency of protocols will be a better end-game than just taking spectrum away from everything else so as to run Mobile Broadband.
[19:32] <thafreak> so, you're saying, invent my own networking....hmmm...might be cheaper than running fiber everywhere
[19:33] <skellat> thafreak: No, support those who are building more spectrally efficient transmission technologies.  The amount of megahertz taken up by a single data channel is still freaking huge compared to even a DTV over-the-air broadcast.
[19:34] <thafreak> any examples of people making more efficient transmission tech that you can refer me to?
[19:37] <skellat> Not yet.  That's the problem.  We're only seeing incremental work on what exists.  Only in Internet-land is bandwidth synonymous with throughput.  In normal usage, an AM radio station signal is 3 kHz wide while an FM broadcast signal is 6 kHz wide and a DTV station gets 6 MHz.  Some folks have been playing with multiply phased communication but really buried fiber is the answer.
[19:39] <skellat> As to throughput...Netflix & Pandora are the problem online, not the answer.  Distribution of such content via Internet is not necessarily as efficient as using more conventional mass communications tools.