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Trixar_zaWhen in doubt, it's probably nvidia's fault somehow00:11
zereflol00:15
zerefi checked in synaptic and their were some mismatch versions in the kernel00:16
zerefs/their/there00:16
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Squirmmorning04:59
jrgnsmorning05:27
* Kilos greets05:48
magespawnmorning all05:51
Kiloshiya magespawn 05:51
magespawnhow is the highveld this morning?05:52
Kilosiced up05:52
magespawnnormal then.05:52
Kiloslol yeah05:52
magespawnSquirm you still here?05:53
magespawnKilos do you know anything about chickens?05:55
Kilosyessir05:56
Kilosused to bread my own broilers05:56
Kilosbreed05:57
magespawnwhat is the best way to grow them from day old? 05:57
Kilosgotta try member the names of the feeds but you use starter mash for 3 weeks05:58
Kilosbroilers hey?05:58
Kilosthere are 3 types of mash for them. starter growing and um05:58
Kilosafrond05:59
magespawnyup05:59
Kilosfinisher i think it was called05:59
magespawnyes thats it05:59
Kilostried the recommended way was 2 weeks starter 2 weeks growing and 2 weeks finisher05:59
Kilosbut 3 weeks styarter and 3 weeks finisher worked better06:00
magespawnthere is a bit of a chicken revolution going on down here06:00
Kilostell me bout it06:00
magespawnhow old when you sell them 6 or 8 weeks?06:00
Kilos606:00
Kilosmost were 2kg at 6 weeks but there are always some slow growers06:01
magespawnthe customers here seem to prefer the 8 week old bird because it look bigger.06:01
magespawnalso some breeds have long legs that are taller therefore looks bigger06:02
Kilosyou can keep feeding them forever but they get so big they cant walk06:02
Kilos2kg is a big chicken06:03
magespawnyup 06:03
Kilosnot often you get them that size in supermarkets06:03
magespawnhave to go check a fax machine bbl ty Kilos06:03
Kilosfeeding the mash at 2 week stints they grow slower06:03
Kilosk06:04
Kilosi go fight unity back to size. bbl06:13
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* Squirm yawns06:34
superflymorning all you lazy bones!06:42
Trixar_zaI'm not lazy, I'm just selectively active07:14
superflyhahahaha07:22
Symmetriahrm08:00
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jrgnsquick poll. Uncapped vs Capped ADSL?09:01
Symmetriaentirely depends on your usage09:13
SymmetriaI could never go capped 09:13
SymmetriaI move terabytes of data a month for both work and normal 09:13
jrgnskewl09:13
Squirmalso, depends if you get shaped uncapped too09:13
Symmetriashaped vs unshaped doesnt make a difference ot me, no one shapes local09:13
jrgnslet's assume unshaped for both09:13
Symmetriaand most of my transfers are local09:14
Symmetriajrgns whats the usage for? normal home line?09:14
SquirmSymmetria: you have access to a nice backbone09:14
Symmetriaand if its normal home line, what sorta stuff are you moving 09:14
Symmetriasquirm heh, even if I didn't, no one shapes ssh, and you can ssh tunnel everything :p09:14
Squirmmy ssh tunnels to my dedi in the US are very slow :/09:16
SquirmI can't even seem to browse through them09:16
Symmetriaheh, never tunnel to the US, thats high latency, always to europe 09:18
Squirmat work we run off the TENET backbone09:18
Squirmuncapped, etc09:18
Symmetriasquirm where you work?09:19
Squirmat home, on our little 384 line, it's shockingly slow09:19
SquirmTreverton College09:19
Squirmour ISP is eSn09:19
Symmetriaaahhh09:19
Symmetriaheh yes, I remeber doing the whole ESN setup09:19
Symmetriaheh, there are some nice configs on that ESN setup, it took me a day or 2 to figure out how to do them nicely 09:19
Symmetria(I designed the TENET network, and the ESN solution)09:20
Squirmnice09:20
SquirmI was going to ask if you can bump our line speed up a little. then realised it's the line we have :P09:20
Symmetriaheh the design principles made it relatively easy to actually do it though09:20
Symmetriathe design principle behind the tenet network was, make it fast enough that if anyone ever has a bandwidth problem, its because their internal networks couldnt handle it 09:21
Symmetrianot because the network couldnt handle it09:21
Squirmnice09:21
Symmetriaeliminate all quality of service elements and throw bandwidth at the problem, more and more bandwidth09:21
Symmetriavery few people have any concept of just how fast the entire network is combined 09:21
Squirmon a good day, I'll get a speed of 380kb/s09:21
magespawnhey superfly nice of you to drop in09:22
Symmetriaheh squirm, wanna take a guess at total network interface speed on that network?09:22
SquirmSymmetria: no, not really.09:22
Symmetria:P when I left, it was an aggregated 800 gigabit09:22
Squirm:(09:22
Symmetriaand its probably grown since then to hit the terabit mark09:22
Squirmesn?09:22
Squirmor TENET?09:22
Symmetriano, TENET's backend network09:22
Squirmwell09:23
SymmetriaIm not sure what the ESN figures are right now09:23
SquirmI used gigabit lan for the first time last weekend09:23
Squirm:P09:23
Symmetriabut heh, you'd never get shaped on there because TENET doesnt support shaping :p09:23
Symmetrianot because they couldnt, but because by policy that I put in place, it was rejected 09:23
SymmetriaIve always believed that internet access should be as open as humanly possible09:23
* tonberry352_ has gigabit all the way to mirror.ac.za09:23
jrgnsSymmetria just general poll09:23
jrgnsi have friends in the ISP business that say that uncapped is killing it09:24
SquirmSymmetria: so this 2:1 contention ratio esn offers?09:24
Symmetriasquirm thats contention of the IPC circuits they are buying 09:24
jrgnsi have two capped accounts, but i never reach the caps, and both of them are 66% free09:24
Symmetriaheh jrgns heh, people say the uncapped is killing it because of the costs of providing uncapped not because uncapped is not feasible technically09:25
Symmetriatelkom charges for circuits into the adsl cloud are insanely expensive09:25
SquirmI saw Googles gigabit internet offering09:25
Symmetriaand an uncapped provider has to run very very heavy  contention in order to make money09:25
Squirmand was awestruck09:25
SquirmI want to have that connection09:25
Symmetriayou can only contend on those levels if you have sufficient client base09:25
Symmetriasmall client base and you're gonna be dead in the water 09:26
Squirmgigabit connection, uncapped, R580pm09:26
Symmetriasquirm, heh, trust me, most people wil never use that speed 09:26
jrgnsSymmetria exactly09:26
SymmetriaI had a gigabit worth of bandwidth at home in capetown09:26
SquirmSymmetria: but still, R580pm, dirt cheap09:26
jrgnsthe big guys will get bigger, and the smaller guys will be amalgamated09:26
Symmetriajrgns thats business though09:26
Symmetriajrgns the simple fact is, if you read what I wrote in 2010 I think it was, I wrote an article about this09:27
Symmetriabandwidth is NOT a source of profit, you *CANNOT* sell bandwidth to make money on its own in the long run unless you're a huge player 09:27
jrgnsSymmetria link? i'd love to read it09:27
Symmetriabandwidth is a commodity, you use it to sell and make money off other services 09:27
jrgnsah, kewl09:27
jrgnslike?09:27
Symmetrialemme find the link09:28
Symmetriahttp://mybroadband.co.za/news/telecoms/11212-the-isp-industry-where-to-from-here.html09:28
jrgnsshot, thnx09:29
Symmetriabrb, going to fetch something09:30
jrgnsdamn, wish i read that a year ago09:34
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Kiloshi superfly magespawn and others14:19
superflyhi Kilos14:19
magespawnhey Kilos, superfly14:26
superflyhey magespawn14:26
magespawngood to see you still around14:28
magespawnhave you used nagios?14:29
superflymagespawn: no14:30
magespawnseems like a good program14:31
magespawni am off home see y'all later14:40
charlvngood afternoon14:56
charlvnhow's things going14:56
charlvnoooh nagios... good stuff14:56
Kiloshi charlvn 14:59
KilosMaaz, coffee on15:00
* Maaz washes some mugs15:00
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!15:04
KilosMaaz, ty15:04
MaazYou are welcome Kilos15:04
Kiloshi Mezenir 16:11
Symmetrialol sitting in my hotel room with my new puter :p16:11
Mezenirhi kilos16:11
Mezenirwhats news16:11
Kiloslekker Symmetria 16:11
Symmetriabusy installing the goddamn onboard wifi drivers so I can get off 3G :p16:11
Kilosgot 12.04 to not break nm with update16:12
Symmetriaheh, god, is there anything they didnt put on this motherboard, usb3, wifi, bluetooth, infrared, optical sound output 16:12
Symmetria<3 this thing16:12
KilosSymmetria, where does it take all that ram16:12
Symmetriait has 8 ram slots :p16:12
Symmetriawhich are all full :)16:12
Kiloswow16:12
Kilosddr3? or 416:13
Symmetriahttp://www.gigabyte.co.za/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4049&dl=1#ov16:13
Symmetria64gig of ddr3, lol, but there are some interesting things about this board 16:13
Symmetriait has a button on the back marked "overclock"16:13
Symmetriahit that button, and it overclocks everything automagically 16:13
Symmetriaand because Im running closed system watercooler, it all keeps working16:13
livero/ hi oom Kilos 16:13
Kilosyo liver16:14
livero.O16:14
Kiloswow16:14
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Kiloslol16:14
Kilosliver and onions and mash is lekker16:14
nuvolari8ta snailing tonight :(16:14
Kilosi think they very busy nuvolari was fast yesterday16:15
Kilosgot 270m in 20mins16:15
Kilosi think they are stealing lotsa peeps from voda and cellc16:16
Kilosnow growing to fast to meet the demand16:16
Symmetriabrb rebooting16:16
nuvolariyeah16:17
nuvolaribut it might help if I was ON the coverage map as opposed to 'get lucky if I have'16:17
nuvolariif I just had a little bigger antennae16:18
Kiloshi inetpro 16:26
nuvolarioom Kilos, wanneer is die meeting?16:26
Kilos2016:27
Kilosi clean installed 4 times today16:27
Kilosbut now nm works here just dont wanna auto connect16:28
nuvolaribut why oom Kilos ? lol16:28
nuvolariyou shold know it like the palm of your hand by now16:28
nuvolari*should16:28
Kilosi had to stop nm from updating and kept making mistakes16:28
Kiloshad to install from cd with no connection and then when it said restart i connected nm and then rebooted16:31
Kilosfirst thing i installed was synaptic and stopped nm from updating16:32
Kilosthen updated16:32
nuvolarihmm16:34
nuvolariI'm sure there had to be an easier way 16:34
nuvolarinot?16:34
Kilos?16:36
Kilosbrb16:36
Kiloswow no xchat16:43
Kiloshad to install again16:43
Kilos12.04 does funny things16:43
Kiloswhats an unlock password and where do i get it16:48
KilosEnter password to unlock your login keyring16:49
Symmetrialol Im an idiot, there is a cable you need to install inside the machine for this wifi to work and I forgot to plug it in when I was building the machine and left it at the university where Im contracting right now :P will have to stick to 3G for the night and fix wifi tomorrow :p16:49
Kiloslol16:49
nuvolarihmm, dit is soos 'n universal password oom kilos16:50
Kiloswaar kry ek dit16:50
nuvolariwerk oom se gewone password nie op dit nie?16:50
Kilosek sukkel met die ubuntuone ding16:50
Kilosnee16:50
nuvolariok, ek sal oom gou help16:51
nuvolarihoop ek kan onthou16:51
Kiloslol dankie16:51
nuvolarilaunch 'seahorse' in 'n terminal16:51
nuvolaridan gaan oom na file16:51
nuvolarinew16:51
nuvolariof wag16:52
Kilosok ek sien passwords login daar16:52
nuvolaridaar kan dalk reeds een wees16:52
nuvolarihet hy baie items in oom Kilos ?16:52
Kilosnet die ene16:52
nuvolarimaar as oom die driehoekie expand?16:53
nuvolariis daar niks binne-in nie?16:53
Kilosdaar is nie n driehoekie nie16:53
nuvolarihmm okei16:54
nuvolariokei, maak dan 'n nuwe een16:54
Kilosnet die een folder passwords:login16:54
nuvolariof probeer eers daardie een se password verander16:54
Kilosdis vir my pc se login is dit nie16:54
nuvolaridit stoor al die passwords wat oom gebruik op die net16:56
Kiloseish 16:56
nuvolarien oom het mos nou nuwe install gedoen16:56
nuvolariso daar sal niks wees nie16:56
Kilosja16:56
nuvolariso delete daai een, en maak 'n nuwe een16:57
nuvolarifile, new, password keyring16:57
magespawnevening all16:58
nuvolarihello magespawn 16:59
Kiloshi magespawn nuvolari dit vat lank en ek moet gaain eet16:59
Kilosnou nou terug16:59
Kilosskuus man16:59
magespawnhey nuvolari  Kilos 16:59
nuvolari:O sies oom16:59
nuvolariek gaan nou-nou 4de kabinet kyk16:59
Kilosdit lyk nie of dit een kan oopmaak nie17:00
Kiloswielitjie hou net aan draai17:00
Kilosok dis oop17:01
nuvolarieh? dis nie supposed om lank te vat nie17:01
Kilosdit het onder ander een gevra vir password17:01
nuvolarimyne was dadelik reg17:01
nuvolarija, nou oom moet daardie password onthou17:02
nuvolariwant hy sal weer daarvoor vra17:02
Kilosdit was agter die ander venstertjie17:02
Squirmhi17:02
nuvolaridit is die keyring se password17:02
Kilosis dit nou gedoen nuvolari ?17:02
nuvolarioh hi Squirm 17:02
nuvolariKilos: jip17:02
Kilosok dankie baie17:02
nuvolariKilos: is daar 1 of 217:02
nuvolari?17:02
Squirmnuvolari: so when's the next visit?17:02
nuvolarioom moet die ander en dan uitvee17:02
Kiloseen17:02
nuvolariokei17:03
nuvolaridan is dit five17:03
nuvolari*fine17:03
Kilosis dit reg nou?17:03
Kilosyay dankie baie17:03
nuvolariSquirm: dunno :-/ When I can ski :P17:03
nuvolarilooks like you had fun17:03
Squirmwhen?17:03
nuvolarisaw facebook pics you posted17:04
Squirmoh17:04
Squirmthat was end of last year17:04
nuvolarioh :P17:04
Squirmit's way too cold now :/17:04
Squirmnuvolari: we had 30cm of snow a week ago17:06
Squirmtheres still snow on the ground17:06
nuvolarioh my word :-/17:08
nuvolariyou must be freezing?17:08
Squirmwas17:08
Squirmtoday was hot17:08
Squirmit snowed a bit last Tuesday17:09
Squirmschool was cancelled cause of snow(just the fact it snowed and was fun to be in)17:09
Squirmthen it had melted by like 2pm17:09
Squirmit snowed Tuesday night, from about 9pm to 7:30am17:09
Squirmand school was cancelled due to the simple fact it wasn't possible to have17:09
Squirmand electricity died.17:10
Squirmended up being cancelled till Sunday17:10
Squirmthey chaperoned the jo'burg and Durban kids back home17:10
nuvolarigeez17:10
Squirmno electricity, means no water(pumps dont work)17:11
nuvolariyeah, my one colleague went on a hiking trip in the Cape17:11
nuvolariand they also had some troubles17:11
Squirmso I ditched this place on Thursday. took 2.5hours to travel a normal 40min trip17:11
Squirmpower came back Friday evening17:11
magespawnSquirm: where is that ?17:14
Squirmmagespawn: Mooi River17:14
magespawnyou at a school there?17:15
Squirmmagespawn: was, am now working here :P17:15
magespawnjust wierd did some work at Allans Butchery here in Hluhluwe, and their son was home from his school in mooiriver17:17
SquirmI work at Treverton17:17
Squirmall schools here would have been closed though17:17
Squirmthey must have been17:17
magespawnthink it was Treverton not sure though.17:18
Saffer69yebo yebo  sipho sipho17:19
Kiloshi Saffer69 17:19
Kiloslol17:20
Squirmlol17:20
Squirmpwned17:20
Squirmmagespawn: how far is say Hluhluwe from Kokstad and Underberg?17:23
Squirmok, nevermind. I see Kokstad on the map. quite far17:24
Kilosfar17:25
SquirmKilos: where are you from again?17:25
Kiloswhen before now in pta17:25
Kilospmb17:25
Kilosand toti before that17:26
Squirmcool17:26
Kilosvery cool here17:26
Kilosfreezing actually17:26
Squirmlol17:26
SquirmI was referring to the other places, not pta :P17:27
Kiloslol17:27
Squirmnuvolari: so you never answered my question properly17:30
Kilos** (seahorse:2772): CRITICAL **: seahorse_source_export_async: assertion `iface->export_async != NULL || iface->export_raw_async != NULL' failed17:31
Kiloswhat does that mean17:31
Squirmit failed17:31
Squirmthought that might be obvious :/17:31
magespawnHluhluwe is about 280 kms north of Durban.17:32
magespawnSquirm: ^17:32
Squirmmagespawn: I thought so17:32
Squirmbut then I google mapped it17:32
SquirmI thought it was up by Empangeni17:32
Squirmnow that I actually zoom into where google is pointing me17:33
Squirmit says the pharmacy is..17:33
Squirmwell, quite literally in the middle of nowhere. no roads, just trees17:34
magespawnI put my shop on google maps, G&C Net Hluhluwe, I think that is accurate17:35
Squirmhmm17:38
Squirmseems I have it17:38
SquirmI was up there last in...17:38
Squirmoh wow, April last year17:39
magespawncool17:41
magespawngood place to be nice and warm17:41
Squirmhave a friend in Zinkwazi who I go up and see when I can. but that's not very often and still not as far up17:41
Kilosmagespawn, i got nm working18:00
Kilosbut no auto dail yet18:00
Kilosauto connect18:00
Kilosthat blocking updates to it works18:01
smilebye :p18:28
charlvngood evening18:28
Kiloshi charlvn 18:28
Kilostoods smile18:28
smilethanks Kilos :)18:28
smilecharlvn: good evening, bye :)18:28
Kilossleep tight18:28
charlvnciao smile 18:28
charlvnhi Kilos 18:28
smile:)18:29
charlvnso how's it going with you all?18:29
Kilosnot too bad ty and you?18:35
magespawncoo Kilos18:43
magespawncool even18:43
Kiloslol18:43
Kilosjust cant use apt-get update because nm is the first thing it wants to update18:44
magespawnbrb fish time.18:44
Kilosk18:45
Kiloshi psydroid 19:00
Kilosi think i mislead pankreas a bit yesterday19:00
Kilosif he connects to net while installing he will get it updated same time19:01
Kiloshi Banlam bakuman Kerbero 19:01
Kilosjulle maar still ne19:01
Banlamons is maar besige studente :)19:01
Kerberoindeed19:02
Kilosmooi19:02
psydroidhi Kilos19:03
psydroidhi Banlam19:03
psydroidhoi Kerbero19:03
Banlamevening psy19:04
Kerberogoedenavond19:04
magespawnhey all back19:09
Kiloswb19:09
Kilosnight guys. sleep tight19:13
magespawncheers Kilos19:13
magespawnnight all19:45
charlvnnn20:01
* Squirm yawns20:44
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