[00:11] <Trixar_za> When in doubt, it's probably nvidia's fault somehow
[00:15] <zeref> lol
[00:16] <zeref> i checked in synaptic and their were some mismatch versions in the kernel
[00:16] <zeref> s/their/there
[04:59] <Squirm> morning
[05:27] <jrgns> morning
[05:48]  * Kilos greets
[05:51] <magespawn> morning all
[05:51] <Kilos> hiya magespawn 
[05:52] <magespawn> how is the highveld this morning?
[05:52] <Kilos> iced up
[05:52] <magespawn> normal then.
[05:52] <Kilos> lol yeah
[05:53] <magespawn> Squirm you still here?
[05:55] <magespawn> Kilos do you know anything about chickens?
[05:56] <Kilos> yessir
[05:56] <Kilos> used to bread my own broilers
[05:57] <Kilos> breed
[05:57] <magespawn> what is the best way to grow them from day old? 
[05:58] <Kilos> gotta try member the names of the feeds but you use starter mash for 3 weeks
[05:58] <Kilos> broilers hey?
[05:58] <Kilos> there are 3 types of mash for them. starter growing and um
[05:59] <Kilos> afrond
[05:59] <magespawn> yup
[05:59] <Kilos> finisher i think it was called
[05:59] <magespawn> yes thats it
[05:59] <Kilos> tried the recommended way was 2 weeks starter 2 weeks growing and 2 weeks finisher
[06:00] <Kilos> but 3 weeks styarter and 3 weeks finisher worked better
[06:00] <magespawn> there is a bit of a chicken revolution going on down here
[06:00] <Kilos> tell me bout it
[06:00] <magespawn> how old when you sell them 6 or 8 weeks?
[06:00] <Kilos> 6
[06:01] <Kilos> most were 2kg at 6 weeks but there are always some slow growers
[06:01] <magespawn> the customers here seem to prefer the 8 week old bird because it look bigger.
[06:02] <magespawn> also some breeds have long legs that are taller therefore looks bigger
[06:02] <Kilos> you can keep feeding them forever but they get so big they cant walk
[06:03] <Kilos> 2kg is a big chicken
[06:03] <magespawn> yup 
[06:03] <Kilos> not often you get them that size in supermarkets
[06:03] <magespawn> have to go check a fax machine bbl ty Kilos
[06:03] <Kilos> feeding the mash at 2 week stints they grow slower
[06:04] <Kilos> k
[06:13] <Kilos> i go fight unity back to size. bbl
[06:34]  * Squirm yawns
[06:42] <superfly> morning all you lazy bones!
[07:14] <Trixar_za> I'm not lazy, I'm just selectively active
[07:22] <superfly> hahahaha
[08:00] <Symmetria> hrm
[09:01] <jrgns> quick poll. Uncapped vs Capped ADSL?
[09:13] <Symmetria> entirely depends on your usage
[09:13] <Symmetria> I could never go capped 
[09:13] <Symmetria> I move terabytes of data a month for both work and normal 
[09:13] <jrgns> kewl
[09:13] <Squirm> also, depends if you get shaped uncapped too
[09:13] <Symmetria> shaped vs unshaped doesnt make a difference ot me, no one shapes local
[09:13] <jrgns> let's assume unshaped for both
[09:14] <Symmetria> and most of my transfers are local
[09:14] <Symmetria> jrgns whats the usage for? normal home line?
[09:14] <Squirm> Symmetria: you have access to a nice backbone
[09:14] <Symmetria> and if its normal home line, what sorta stuff are you moving 
[09:14] <Symmetria> squirm heh, even if I didn't, no one shapes ssh, and you can ssh tunnel everything :p
[09:16] <Squirm> my ssh tunnels to my dedi in the US are very slow :/
[09:16] <Squirm> I can't even seem to browse through them
[09:18] <Symmetria> heh, never tunnel to the US, thats high latency, always to europe 
[09:18] <Squirm> at work we run off the TENET backbone
[09:18] <Squirm> uncapped, etc
[09:19] <Symmetria> squirm where you work?
[09:19] <Squirm> at home, on our little 384 line, it's shockingly slow
[09:19] <Squirm> Treverton College
[09:19] <Squirm> our ISP is eSn
[09:19] <Symmetria> aahhh
[09:19] <Symmetria> heh yes, I remeber doing the whole ESN setup
[09:19] <Symmetria> heh, there are some nice configs on that ESN setup, it took me a day or 2 to figure out how to do them nicely 
[09:20] <Symmetria> (I designed the TENET network, and the ESN solution)
[09:20] <Squirm> nice
[09:20] <Squirm> I was going to ask if you can bump our line speed up a little. then realised it's the line we have :P
[09:20] <Symmetria> heh the design principles made it relatively easy to actually do it though
[09:21] <Symmetria> the design principle behind the tenet network was, make it fast enough that if anyone ever has a bandwidth problem, its because their internal networks couldnt handle it 
[09:21] <Symmetria> not because the network couldnt handle it
[09:21] <Squirm> nice
[09:21] <Symmetria> eliminate all quality of service elements and throw bandwidth at the problem, more and more bandwidth
[09:21] <Symmetria> very few people have any concept of just how fast the entire network is combined 
[09:21] <Squirm> on a good day, I'll get a speed of 380kb/s
[09:22] <magespawn> hey superfly nice of you to drop in
[09:22] <Symmetria> heh squirm, wanna take a guess at total network interface speed on that network?
[09:22] <Squirm> Symmetria: no, not really.
[09:22] <Symmetria> :P when I left, it was an aggregated 800 gigabit
[09:22] <Squirm> :(
[09:22] <Symmetria> and its probably grown since then to hit the terabit mark
[09:22] <Squirm> esn?
[09:22] <Squirm> or TENET?
[09:22] <Symmetria> no, TENET's backend network
[09:23] <Squirm> well
[09:23] <Symmetria> Im not sure what the ESN figures are right now
[09:23] <Squirm> I used gigabit lan for the first time last weekend
[09:23] <Squirm> :P
[09:23] <Symmetria> but heh, you'd never get shaped on there because TENET doesnt support shaping :p
[09:23] <Symmetria> not because they couldnt, but because by policy that I put in place, it was rejected 
[09:23] <Symmetria> Ive always believed that internet access should be as open as humanly possible
[09:23]  * tonberry352_ has gigabit all the way to mirror.ac.za
[09:23] <jrgns> Symmetria just general poll
[09:24] <jrgns> i have friends in the ISP business that say that uncapped is killing it
[09:24] <Squirm> Symmetria: so this 2:1 contention ratio esn offers?
[09:24] <Symmetria> squirm thats contention of the IPC circuits they are buying 
[09:24] <jrgns> i have two capped accounts, but i never reach the caps, and both of them are 66% free
[09:25] <Symmetria> heh jrgns heh, people say the uncapped is killing it because of the costs of providing uncapped not because uncapped is not feasible technically
[09:25] <Symmetria> telkom charges for circuits into the adsl cloud are insanely expensive
[09:25] <Squirm> I saw Googles gigabit internet offering
[09:25] <Symmetria> and an uncapped provider has to run very very heavy  contention in order to make money
[09:25] <Squirm> and was awestruck
[09:25] <Squirm> I want to have that connection
[09:25] <Symmetria> you can only contend on those levels if you have sufficient client base
[09:26] <Symmetria> small client base and you're gonna be dead in the water 
[09:26] <Squirm> gigabit connection, uncapped, R580pm
[09:26] <Symmetria> squirm, heh, trust me, most people wil never use that speed 
[09:26] <jrgns> Symmetria exactly
[09:26] <Symmetria> I had a gigabit worth of bandwidth at home in capetown
[09:26] <Squirm> Symmetria: but still, R580pm, dirt cheap
[09:26] <jrgns> the big guys will get bigger, and the smaller guys will be amalgamated
[09:26] <Symmetria> jrgns thats business though
[09:27] <Symmetria> jrgns the simple fact is, if you read what I wrote in 2010 I think it was, I wrote an article about this
[09:27] <Symmetria> bandwidth is NOT a source of profit, you *CANNOT* sell bandwidth to make money on its own in the long run unless you're a huge player 
[09:27] <jrgns> Symmetria link? i'd love to read it
[09:27] <Symmetria> bandwidth is a commodity, you use it to sell and make money off other services 
[09:27] <jrgns> ah, kewl
[09:27] <jrgns> like?
[09:28] <Symmetria> lemme find the link
[09:28] <Symmetria> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/telecoms/11212-the-isp-industry-where-to-from-here.html
[09:29] <jrgns> shot, thnx
[09:30] <Symmetria> brb, going to fetch something
[09:34] <jrgns> damn, wish i read that a year ago
[14:19] <Kilos> hi superfly magespawn and others
[14:19] <superfly> hi Kilos
[14:26] <magespawn> hey Kilos, superfly
[14:26] <superfly> hey magespawn
[14:28] <magespawn> good to see you still around
[14:29] <magespawn> have you used nagios?
[14:30] <superfly> magespawn: no
[14:31] <magespawn> seems like a good program
[14:40] <magespawn> i am off home see y'all later
[14:56] <charlvn> good afternoon
[14:56] <charlvn> how's things going
[14:56] <charlvn> oooh nagios... good stuff
[14:59] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[15:00] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:00]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[15:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:04] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[15:04] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[16:11] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[16:11] <Symmetria> lol sitting in my hotel room with my new puter :p
[16:11] <Mezenir> hi kilos
[16:11] <Mezenir> whats news
[16:11] <Kilos> lekker Symmetria 
[16:11] <Symmetria> busy installing the goddamn onboard wifi drivers so I can get off 3G :p
[16:12] <Kilos> got 12.04 to not break nm with update
[16:12] <Symmetria> heh, god, is there anything they didnt put on this motherboard, usb3, wifi, bluetooth, infrared, optical sound output 
[16:12] <Symmetria> <3 this thing
[16:12] <Kilos> Symmetria, where does it take all that ram
[16:12] <Symmetria> it has 8 ram slots :p
[16:12] <Symmetria> which are all full :)
[16:12] <Kilos> wow
[16:13] <Kilos> ddr3? or 4
[16:13] <Symmetria> http://www.gigabyte.co.za/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4049&dl=1#ov
[16:13] <Symmetria> 64gig of ddr3, lol, but there are some interesting things about this board 
[16:13] <Symmetria> it has a button on the back marked "overclock"
[16:13] <Symmetria> hit that button, and it overclocks everything automagically 
[16:13] <Symmetria> and because Im running closed system watercooler, it all keeps working
[16:13] <liver> o/ hi oom Kilos 
[16:14] <Kilos> yo liver
[16:14] <liver> o.O
[16:14] <Kilos> wow
[16:14] <Kilos> lol
[16:14] <Kilos> liver and onions and mash is lekker
[16:14] <nuvolari> 8ta snailing tonight :(
[16:15] <Kilos> i think they very busy nuvolari was fast yesterday
[16:15] <Kilos> got 270m in 20mins
[16:16] <Kilos> i think they are stealing lotsa peeps from voda and cellc
[16:16] <Kilos> now growing to fast to meet the demand
[16:16] <Symmetria> brb rebooting
[16:17] <nuvolari> yeah
[16:17] <nuvolari> but it might help if I was ON the coverage map as opposed to 'get lucky if I have'
[16:18] <nuvolari> if I just had a little bigger antennae
[16:26] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[16:26] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, wanneer is die meeting?
[16:27] <Kilos> 20
[16:27] <Kilos> i clean installed 4 times today
[16:28] <Kilos> but now nm works here just dont wanna auto connect
[16:28] <nuvolari> but why oom Kilos ? lol
[16:28] <nuvolari> you shold know it like the palm of your hand by now
[16:28] <nuvolari> *should
[16:28] <Kilos> i had to stop nm from updating and kept making mistakes
[16:31] <Kilos> had to install from cd with no connection and then when it said restart i connected nm and then rebooted
[16:32] <Kilos> first thing i installed was synaptic and stopped nm from updating
[16:32] <Kilos> then updated
[16:34] <nuvolari> hmm
[16:34] <nuvolari> I'm sure there had to be an easier way 
[16:34] <nuvolari> not?
[16:36] <Kilos> ?
[16:36] <Kilos> brb
[16:43] <Kilos> wow no xchat
[16:43] <Kilos> had to install again
[16:43] <Kilos> 12.04 does funny things
[16:48] <Kilos> whats an unlock password and where do i get it
[16:49] <Kilos> Enter password to unlock your login keyring
[16:49] <Symmetria> lol Im an idiot, there is a cable you need to install inside the machine for this wifi to work and I forgot to plug it in when I was building the machine and left it at the university where Im contracting right now :P will have to stick to 3G for the night and fix wifi tomorrow :p
[16:49] <Kilos> lol
[16:50] <nuvolari> hmm, dit is soos 'n universal password oom kilos
[16:50] <Kilos> waar kry ek dit
[16:50] <nuvolari> werk oom se gewone password nie op dit nie?
[16:50] <Kilos> ek sukkel met die ubuntuone ding
[16:50] <Kilos> nee
[16:51] <nuvolari> ok, ek sal oom gou help
[16:51] <nuvolari> hoop ek kan onthou
[16:51] <Kilos> lol dankie
[16:51] <nuvolari> launch 'seahorse' in 'n terminal
[16:51] <nuvolari> dan gaan oom na file
[16:51] <nuvolari> new
[16:52] <nuvolari> of wag
[16:52] <Kilos> ok ek sien passwords login daar
[16:52] <nuvolari> daar kan dalk reeds een wees
[16:52] <nuvolari> het hy baie items in oom Kilos ?
[16:52] <Kilos> net die ene
[16:53] <nuvolari> maar as oom die driehoekie expand?
[16:53] <nuvolari> is daar niks binne-in nie?
[16:53] <Kilos> daar is nie n driehoekie nie
[16:54] <nuvolari> hmm okei
[16:54] <nuvolari> okei, maak dan 'n nuwe een
[16:54] <Kilos> net die een folder passwords:login
[16:54] <nuvolari> of probeer eers daardie een se password verander
[16:54] <Kilos> dis vir my pc se login is dit nie
[16:56] <nuvolari> dit stoor al die passwords wat oom gebruik op die net
[16:56] <Kilos> eish 
[16:56] <nuvolari> en oom het mos nou nuwe install gedoen
[16:56] <nuvolari> so daar sal niks wees nie
[16:56] <Kilos> ja
[16:57] <nuvolari> so delete daai een, en maak 'n nuwe een
[16:57] <nuvolari> file, new, password keyring
[16:58] <magespawn> evening all
[16:59] <nuvolari> hello magespawn 
[16:59] <Kilos> hi magespawn nuvolari dit vat lank en ek moet gaain eet
[16:59] <Kilos> nou nou terug
[16:59] <Kilos> skuus man
[16:59] <magespawn> hey nuvolari  Kilos 
[16:59] <nuvolari> :O sies oom
[16:59] <nuvolari> ek gaan nou-nou 4de kabinet kyk
[17:00] <Kilos> dit lyk nie of dit een kan oopmaak nie
[17:00] <Kilos> wielitjie hou net aan draai
[17:01] <Kilos> ok dis oop
[17:01] <nuvolari> eh? dis nie supposed om lank te vat nie
[17:01] <Kilos> dit het onder ander een gevra vir password
[17:01] <nuvolari> myne was dadelik reg
[17:02] <nuvolari> ja, nou oom moet daardie password onthou
[17:02] <nuvolari> want hy sal weer daarvoor vra
[17:02] <Kilos> dit was agter die ander venstertjie
[17:02] <Squirm> hi
[17:02] <nuvolari> dit is die keyring se password
[17:02] <Kilos> is dit nou gedoen nuvolari ?
[17:02] <nuvolari> oh hi Squirm 
[17:02] <nuvolari> Kilos: jip
[17:02] <Kilos> ok dankie baie
[17:02] <nuvolari> Kilos: is daar 1 of 2
[17:02] <nuvolari> ?
[17:02] <Squirm> nuvolari: so when's the next visit?
[17:02] <nuvolari> oom moet die ander en dan uitvee
[17:02] <Kilos> een
[17:03] <nuvolari> okei
[17:03] <nuvolari> dan is dit five
[17:03] <nuvolari> *fine
[17:03] <Kilos> is dit reg nou?
[17:03] <Kilos> yay dankie baie
[17:03] <nuvolari> Squirm: dunno :-/ When I can ski :P
[17:03] <nuvolari> looks like you had fun
[17:03] <Squirm> when?
[17:04] <nuvolari> saw facebook pics you posted
[17:04] <Squirm> oh
[17:04] <Squirm> that was end of last year
[17:04] <nuvolari> oh :P
[17:04] <Squirm> it's way too cold now :/
[17:06] <Squirm> nuvolari: we had 30cm of snow a week ago
[17:06] <Squirm> theres still snow on the ground
[17:08] <nuvolari> oh my word :-/
[17:08] <nuvolari> you must be freezing?
[17:08] <Squirm> was
[17:08] <Squirm> today was hot
[17:09] <Squirm> it snowed a bit last Tuesday
[17:09] <Squirm> school was cancelled cause of snow(just the fact it snowed and was fun to be in)
[17:09] <Squirm> then it had melted by like 2pm
[17:09] <Squirm> it snowed Tuesday night, from about 9pm to 7:30am
[17:09] <Squirm> and school was cancelled due to the simple fact it wasn't possible to have
[17:10] <Squirm> and electricity died.
[17:10] <Squirm> ended up being cancelled till Sunday
[17:10] <Squirm> they chaperoned the jo'burg and Durban kids back home
[17:10] <nuvolari> geez
[17:11] <Squirm> no electricity, means no water(pumps dont work)
[17:11] <nuvolari> yeah, my one colleague went on a hiking trip in the Cape
[17:11] <nuvolari> and they also had some troubles
[17:11] <Squirm> so I ditched this place on Thursday. took 2.5hours to travel a normal 40min trip
[17:11] <Squirm> power came back Friday evening
[17:14] <magespawn> Squirm: where is that ?
[17:14] <Squirm> magespawn: Mooi River
[17:15] <magespawn> you at a school there?
[17:15] <Squirm> magespawn: was, am now working here :P
[17:17] <magespawn> just wierd did some work at Allans Butchery here in Hluhluwe, and their son was home from his school in mooiriver
[17:17] <Squirm> I work at Treverton
[17:17] <Squirm> all schools here would have been closed though
[17:17] <Squirm> they must have been
[17:18] <magespawn> think it was Treverton not sure though.
[17:19] <Saffer69> yebo yebo  sipho sipho
[17:19] <Kilos> hi Saffer69 
[17:20] <Kilos> lol
[17:20] <Squirm> lol
[17:20] <Squirm> pwned
[17:23] <Squirm> magespawn: how far is say Hluhluwe from Kokstad and Underberg?
[17:24] <Squirm> ok, nevermind. I see Kokstad on the map. quite far
[17:25] <Kilos> far
[17:25] <Squirm> Kilos: where are you from again?
[17:25] <Kilos> when before now in pta
[17:25] <Kilos> pmb
[17:26] <Kilos> and toti before that
[17:26] <Squirm> cool
[17:26] <Kilos> very cool here
[17:26] <Kilos> freezing actually
[17:26] <Squirm> lol
[17:27] <Squirm> I was referring to the other places, not pta :P
[17:27] <Kilos> lol
[17:30] <Squirm> nuvolari: so you never answered my question properly
[17:31] <Kilos> ** (seahorse:2772): CRITICAL **: seahorse_source_export_async: assertion `iface->export_async != NULL || iface->export_raw_async != NULL' failed
[17:31] <Kilos> what does that mean
[17:31] <Squirm> it failed
[17:31] <Squirm> thought that might be obvious :/
[17:32] <magespawn> Hluhluwe is about 280 kms north of Durban.
[17:32] <magespawn> Squirm: ^
[17:32] <Squirm> magespawn: I thought so
[17:32] <Squirm> but then I google mapped it
[17:32] <Squirm> I thought it was up by Empangeni
[17:33] <Squirm> now that I actually zoom into where google is pointing me
[17:33] <Squirm> it says the pharmacy is..
[17:34] <Squirm> well, quite literally in the middle of nowhere. no roads, just trees
[17:35] <magespawn> I put my shop on google maps, G&C Net Hluhluwe, I think that is accurate
[17:38] <Squirm> hmm
[17:38] <Squirm> seems I have it
[17:38] <Squirm> I was up there last in...
[17:39] <Squirm> oh wow, April last year
[17:41] <magespawn> cool
[17:41] <magespawn> good place to be nice and warm
[17:41] <Squirm> have a friend in Zinkwazi who I go up and see when I can. but that's not very often and still not as far up
[18:00] <Kilos> magespawn, i got nm working
[18:00] <Kilos> but no auto dail yet
[18:00] <Kilos> auto connect
[18:01] <Kilos> that blocking updates to it works
[18:28] <smile> bye :p
[18:28] <charlvn> good evening
[18:28] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[18:28] <Kilos> toods smile
[18:28] <smile> thanks Kilos :)
[18:28] <smile> charlvn: good evening, bye :)
[18:28] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:28] <charlvn> ciao smile 
[18:28] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[18:29] <smile> :)
[18:29] <charlvn> so how's it going with you all?
[18:35] <Kilos> not too bad ty and you?
[18:43] <magespawn> coo Kilos
[18:43] <magespawn> cool even
[18:43] <Kilos> lol
[18:44] <Kilos> just cant use apt-get update because nm is the first thing it wants to update
[18:44] <magespawn> brb fish time.
[18:45] <Kilos> k
[19:00] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[19:00] <Kilos> i think i mislead pankreas a bit yesterday
[19:01] <Kilos> if he connects to net while installing he will get it updated same time
[19:01] <Kilos> hi Banlam bakuman Kerbero 
[19:01] <Kilos> julle maar still ne
[19:01] <Banlam> ons is maar besige studente :)
[19:02] <Kerbero> indeed
[19:02] <Kilos> mooi
[19:03] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[19:03] <psydroid> hi Banlam
[19:03] <psydroid> hoi Kerbero
[19:04] <Banlam> evening psy
[19:04] <Kerbero> goedenavond
[19:09] <magespawn> hey all back
[19:09] <Kilos> wb
[19:13] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[19:13] <magespawn> cheers Kilos
[19:45] <magespawn> night all
[20:01] <charlvn> nn
[20:44]  * Squirm yawns