[00:11] When in doubt, it's probably nvidia's fault somehow [00:15] lol [00:16] i checked in synaptic and their were some mismatch versions in the kernel [00:16] s/their/there === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [04:59] morning [05:27] morning [05:48] * Kilos greets [05:51] morning all [05:51] hiya magespawn [05:52] how is the highveld this morning? [05:52] iced up [05:52] normal then. [05:52] lol yeah [05:53] Squirm you still here? [05:55] Kilos do you know anything about chickens? [05:56] yessir [05:56] used to bread my own broilers [05:57] breed [05:57] what is the best way to grow them from day old? [05:58] gotta try member the names of the feeds but you use starter mash for 3 weeks [05:58] broilers hey? [05:58] there are 3 types of mash for them. starter growing and um [05:59] afrond [05:59] yup [05:59] finisher i think it was called [05:59] yes thats it [05:59] tried the recommended way was 2 weeks starter 2 weeks growing and 2 weeks finisher [06:00] but 3 weeks styarter and 3 weeks finisher worked better [06:00] there is a bit of a chicken revolution going on down here [06:00] tell me bout it [06:00] how old when you sell them 6 or 8 weeks? [06:00] 6 [06:01] most were 2kg at 6 weeks but there are always some slow growers [06:01] the customers here seem to prefer the 8 week old bird because it look bigger. [06:02] also some breeds have long legs that are taller therefore looks bigger [06:02] you can keep feeding them forever but they get so big they cant walk [06:03] 2kg is a big chicken [06:03] yup [06:03] not often you get them that size in supermarkets [06:03] have to go check a fax machine bbl ty Kilos [06:03] feeding the mash at 2 week stints they grow slower [06:04] k [06:13] i go fight unity back to size. bbl === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [06:34] * Squirm yawns [06:42] morning all you lazy bones! [07:14] I'm not lazy, I'm just selectively active [07:22] hahahaha [08:00] hrm === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero [09:01] quick poll. Uncapped vs Capped ADSL? [09:13] entirely depends on your usage [09:13] I could never go capped [09:13] I move terabytes of data a month for both work and normal [09:13] kewl [09:13] also, depends if you get shaped uncapped too [09:13] shaped vs unshaped doesnt make a difference ot me, no one shapes local [09:13] let's assume unshaped for both [09:14] and most of my transfers are local [09:14] jrgns whats the usage for? normal home line? [09:14] Symmetria: you have access to a nice backbone [09:14] and if its normal home line, what sorta stuff are you moving [09:14] squirm heh, even if I didn't, no one shapes ssh, and you can ssh tunnel everything :p [09:16] my ssh tunnels to my dedi in the US are very slow :/ [09:16] I can't even seem to browse through them [09:18] heh, never tunnel to the US, thats high latency, always to europe [09:18] at work we run off the TENET backbone [09:18] uncapped, etc [09:19] squirm where you work? [09:19] at home, on our little 384 line, it's shockingly slow [09:19] Treverton College [09:19] our ISP is eSn [09:19] aahhh [09:19] heh yes, I remeber doing the whole ESN setup [09:19] heh, there are some nice configs on that ESN setup, it took me a day or 2 to figure out how to do them nicely [09:20] (I designed the TENET network, and the ESN solution) [09:20] nice [09:20] I was going to ask if you can bump our line speed up a little. then realised it's the line we have :P [09:20] heh the design principles made it relatively easy to actually do it though [09:21] the design principle behind the tenet network was, make it fast enough that if anyone ever has a bandwidth problem, its because their internal networks couldnt handle it [09:21] not because the network couldnt handle it [09:21] nice [09:21] eliminate all quality of service elements and throw bandwidth at the problem, more and more bandwidth [09:21] very few people have any concept of just how fast the entire network is combined [09:21] on a good day, I'll get a speed of 380kb/s [09:22] hey superfly nice of you to drop in [09:22] heh squirm, wanna take a guess at total network interface speed on that network? [09:22] Symmetria: no, not really. [09:22] :P when I left, it was an aggregated 800 gigabit [09:22] :( [09:22] and its probably grown since then to hit the terabit mark [09:22] esn? [09:22] or TENET? [09:22] no, TENET's backend network [09:23] well [09:23] Im not sure what the ESN figures are right now [09:23] I used gigabit lan for the first time last weekend [09:23] :P [09:23] but heh, you'd never get shaped on there because TENET doesnt support shaping :p [09:23] not because they couldnt, but because by policy that I put in place, it was rejected [09:23] Ive always believed that internet access should be as open as humanly possible [09:23] * tonberry352_ has gigabit all the way to mirror.ac.za [09:23] Symmetria just general poll [09:24] i have friends in the ISP business that say that uncapped is killing it [09:24] Symmetria: so this 2:1 contention ratio esn offers? [09:24] squirm thats contention of the IPC circuits they are buying [09:24] i have two capped accounts, but i never reach the caps, and both of them are 66% free [09:25] heh jrgns heh, people say the uncapped is killing it because of the costs of providing uncapped not because uncapped is not feasible technically [09:25] telkom charges for circuits into the adsl cloud are insanely expensive [09:25] I saw Googles gigabit internet offering [09:25] and an uncapped provider has to run very very heavy contention in order to make money [09:25] and was awestruck [09:25] I want to have that connection [09:25] you can only contend on those levels if you have sufficient client base [09:26] small client base and you're gonna be dead in the water [09:26] gigabit connection, uncapped, R580pm [09:26] squirm, heh, trust me, most people wil never use that speed [09:26] Symmetria exactly [09:26] I had a gigabit worth of bandwidth at home in capetown [09:26] Symmetria: but still, R580pm, dirt cheap [09:26] the big guys will get bigger, and the smaller guys will be amalgamated [09:26] jrgns thats business though [09:27] jrgns the simple fact is, if you read what I wrote in 2010 I think it was, I wrote an article about this [09:27] bandwidth is NOT a source of profit, you *CANNOT* sell bandwidth to make money on its own in the long run unless you're a huge player [09:27] Symmetria link? i'd love to read it [09:27] bandwidth is a commodity, you use it to sell and make money off other services [09:27] ah, kewl [09:27] like? [09:28] lemme find the link [09:28] http://mybroadband.co.za/news/telecoms/11212-the-isp-industry-where-to-from-here.html [09:29] shot, thnx [09:30] brb, going to fetch something [09:34] damn, wish i read that a year ago === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [14:19] hi superfly magespawn and others [14:19] hi Kilos [14:26] hey Kilos, superfly [14:26] hey magespawn [14:28] good to see you still around [14:29] have you used nagios? [14:30] magespawn: no [14:31] seems like a good program [14:40] i am off home see y'all later [14:56] good afternoon [14:56] how's things going [14:56] oooh nagios... good stuff [14:59] hi charlvn [15:00] Maaz, coffee on [15:00] * Maaz washes some mugs [15:04] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [15:04] Maaz, ty [15:04] You are welcome Kilos [16:11] hi Mezenir [16:11] lol sitting in my hotel room with my new puter :p [16:11] hi kilos [16:11] whats news [16:11] lekker Symmetria [16:11] busy installing the goddamn onboard wifi drivers so I can get off 3G :p [16:12] got 12.04 to not break nm with update [16:12] heh, god, is there anything they didnt put on this motherboard, usb3, wifi, bluetooth, infrared, optical sound output [16:12] <3 this thing [16:12] Symmetria, where does it take all that ram [16:12] it has 8 ram slots :p [16:12] which are all full :) [16:12] wow [16:13] ddr3? or 4 [16:13] http://www.gigabyte.co.za/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4049&dl=1#ov [16:13] 64gig of ddr3, lol, but there are some interesting things about this board [16:13] it has a button on the back marked "overclock" [16:13] hit that button, and it overclocks everything automagically [16:13] and because Im running closed system watercooler, it all keeps working [16:13] o/ hi oom Kilos [16:14] yo liver [16:14] o.O [16:14] wow === liver is now known as nuvolari [16:14] lol [16:14] liver and onions and mash is lekker [16:14] 8ta snailing tonight :( [16:15] i think they very busy nuvolari was fast yesterday [16:15] got 270m in 20mins [16:16] i think they are stealing lotsa peeps from voda and cellc [16:16] now growing to fast to meet the demand [16:16] brb rebooting [16:17] yeah [16:17] but it might help if I was ON the coverage map as opposed to 'get lucky if I have' [16:18] if I just had a little bigger antennae [16:26] hi inetpro [16:26] oom Kilos, wanneer is die meeting? [16:27] 20 [16:27] i clean installed 4 times today [16:28] but now nm works here just dont wanna auto connect [16:28] but why oom Kilos ? lol [16:28] you shold know it like the palm of your hand by now [16:28] *should [16:28] i had to stop nm from updating and kept making mistakes [16:31] had to install from cd with no connection and then when it said restart i connected nm and then rebooted [16:32] first thing i installed was synaptic and stopped nm from updating [16:32] then updated [16:34] hmm [16:34] I'm sure there had to be an easier way [16:34] not? [16:36] ? [16:36] brb [16:43] wow no xchat [16:43] had to install again [16:43] 12.04 does funny things [16:48] whats an unlock password and where do i get it [16:49] Enter password to unlock your login keyring [16:49] lol Im an idiot, there is a cable you need to install inside the machine for this wifi to work and I forgot to plug it in when I was building the machine and left it at the university where Im contracting right now :P will have to stick to 3G for the night and fix wifi tomorrow :p [16:49] lol [16:50] hmm, dit is soos 'n universal password oom kilos [16:50] waar kry ek dit [16:50] werk oom se gewone password nie op dit nie? [16:50] ek sukkel met die ubuntuone ding [16:50] nee [16:51] ok, ek sal oom gou help [16:51] hoop ek kan onthou [16:51] lol dankie [16:51] launch 'seahorse' in 'n terminal [16:51] dan gaan oom na file [16:51] new [16:52] of wag [16:52] ok ek sien passwords login daar [16:52] daar kan dalk reeds een wees [16:52] het hy baie items in oom Kilos ? [16:52] net die ene [16:53] maar as oom die driehoekie expand? [16:53] is daar niks binne-in nie? [16:53] daar is nie n driehoekie nie [16:54] hmm okei [16:54] okei, maak dan 'n nuwe een [16:54] net die een folder passwords:login [16:54] of probeer eers daardie een se password verander [16:54] dis vir my pc se login is dit nie [16:56] dit stoor al die passwords wat oom gebruik op die net [16:56] eish [16:56] en oom het mos nou nuwe install gedoen [16:56] so daar sal niks wees nie [16:56] ja [16:57] so delete daai een, en maak 'n nuwe een [16:57] file, new, password keyring [16:58] evening all [16:59] hello magespawn [16:59] hi magespawn nuvolari dit vat lank en ek moet gaain eet [16:59] nou nou terug [16:59] skuus man [16:59] hey nuvolari Kilos [16:59] :O sies oom [16:59] ek gaan nou-nou 4de kabinet kyk [17:00] dit lyk nie of dit een kan oopmaak nie [17:00] wielitjie hou net aan draai [17:01] ok dis oop [17:01] eh? dis nie supposed om lank te vat nie [17:01] dit het onder ander een gevra vir password [17:01] myne was dadelik reg [17:02] ja, nou oom moet daardie password onthou [17:02] want hy sal weer daarvoor vra [17:02] dit was agter die ander venstertjie [17:02] hi [17:02] dit is die keyring se password [17:02] is dit nou gedoen nuvolari ? [17:02] oh hi Squirm [17:02] Kilos: jip [17:02] ok dankie baie [17:02] Kilos: is daar 1 of 2 [17:02] ? [17:02] nuvolari: so when's the next visit? [17:02] oom moet die ander en dan uitvee [17:02] een [17:03] okei [17:03] dan is dit five [17:03] *fine [17:03] is dit reg nou? [17:03] yay dankie baie [17:03] Squirm: dunno :-/ When I can ski :P [17:03] looks like you had fun [17:03] when? [17:04] saw facebook pics you posted [17:04] oh [17:04] that was end of last year [17:04] oh :P [17:04] it's way too cold now :/ [17:06] nuvolari: we had 30cm of snow a week ago [17:06] theres still snow on the ground [17:08] oh my word :-/ [17:08] you must be freezing? [17:08] was [17:08] today was hot [17:09] it snowed a bit last Tuesday [17:09] school was cancelled cause of snow(just the fact it snowed and was fun to be in) [17:09] then it had melted by like 2pm [17:09] it snowed Tuesday night, from about 9pm to 7:30am [17:09] and school was cancelled due to the simple fact it wasn't possible to have [17:10] and electricity died. [17:10] ended up being cancelled till Sunday [17:10] they chaperoned the jo'burg and Durban kids back home [17:10] geez [17:11] no electricity, means no water(pumps dont work) [17:11] yeah, my one colleague went on a hiking trip in the Cape [17:11] and they also had some troubles [17:11] so I ditched this place on Thursday. took 2.5hours to travel a normal 40min trip [17:11] power came back Friday evening [17:14] Squirm: where is that ? [17:14] magespawn: Mooi River [17:15] you at a school there? [17:15] magespawn: was, am now working here :P [17:17] just wierd did some work at Allans Butchery here in Hluhluwe, and their son was home from his school in mooiriver [17:17] I work at Treverton [17:17] all schools here would have been closed though [17:17] they must have been [17:18] think it was Treverton not sure though. [17:19] yebo yebo sipho sipho [17:19] hi Saffer69 [17:20] lol [17:20] lol [17:20] pwned [17:23] magespawn: how far is say Hluhluwe from Kokstad and Underberg? [17:24] ok, nevermind. I see Kokstad on the map. quite far [17:25] far [17:25] Kilos: where are you from again? [17:25] when before now in pta [17:25] pmb [17:26] and toti before that [17:26] cool [17:26] very cool here [17:26] freezing actually [17:26] lol [17:27] I was referring to the other places, not pta :P [17:27] lol [17:30] nuvolari: so you never answered my question properly [17:31] ** (seahorse:2772): CRITICAL **: seahorse_source_export_async: assertion `iface->export_async != NULL || iface->export_raw_async != NULL' failed [17:31] what does that mean [17:31] it failed [17:31] thought that might be obvious :/ [17:32] Hluhluwe is about 280 kms north of Durban. [17:32] Squirm: ^ [17:32] magespawn: I thought so [17:32] but then I google mapped it [17:32] I thought it was up by Empangeni [17:33] now that I actually zoom into where google is pointing me [17:33] it says the pharmacy is.. [17:34] well, quite literally in the middle of nowhere. no roads, just trees [17:35] I put my shop on google maps, G&C Net Hluhluwe, I think that is accurate [17:38] hmm [17:38] seems I have it [17:38] I was up there last in... [17:39] oh wow, April last year [17:41] cool [17:41] good place to be nice and warm [17:41] have a friend in Zinkwazi who I go up and see when I can. but that's not very often and still not as far up [18:00] magespawn, i got nm working [18:00] but no auto dail yet [18:00] auto connect [18:01] that blocking updates to it works [18:28] bye :p [18:28] good evening [18:28] hi charlvn [18:28] toods smile [18:28] thanks Kilos :) [18:28] charlvn: good evening, bye :) [18:28] sleep tight [18:28] ciao smile [18:28] hi Kilos [18:29] :) [18:29] so how's it going with you all? [18:35] not too bad ty and you? [18:43] coo Kilos [18:43] cool even [18:43] lol [18:44] just cant use apt-get update because nm is the first thing it wants to update [18:44] brb fish time. [18:45] k [19:00] hi psydroid [19:00] i think i mislead pankreas a bit yesterday [19:01] if he connects to net while installing he will get it updated same time [19:01] hi Banlam bakuman Kerbero [19:01] julle maar still ne [19:01] ons is maar besige studente :) [19:02] indeed [19:02] mooi [19:03] hi Kilos [19:03] hi Banlam [19:03] hoi Kerbero [19:04] evening psy [19:04] goedenavond [19:09] hey all back [19:09] wb [19:13] night guys. sleep tight [19:13] cheers Kilos [19:45] night all [20:01] nn [20:44] * Squirm yawns === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za