[00:00] it says when you remove the speaker icon for example, if you remove this it's lost forever... [00:00] GridCube: are package names case sensitive? [00:01] ifso, a stupid error on appache's part is keeping me from installing the rest of it, unless i can edit the name of the package [00:03] Viva_Caligula, all name files are case sensitive, this is linux [00:05] so, i need a way of renaming an installed package then [00:05] >_< [00:06] my problem is solved [00:06] cr1st0, :) what was it? [00:07] dunno it apear again [00:07] mmhm [00:29] Is .deb a rename of a standard compression, or is it a distinct one? [00:36] debian [00:36] package for debian [00:43] I forgot i could I just use dpkg to build it :s [00:43] Greetings all. [00:43] I've got a problem with the indicator that shows volume adjustments. It used to work when I had installed Ubuntu 12.04. But when I installed XFCE 4 to get rid of Unity, it stopped working properly. [00:43] Now it just shows up blank, no matter what my volume is at. [00:44] Volume itself works. And my multimedia keys change volume fine. [00:44] It's the indicator that's broken. T_T [00:52] Gah. my computer crashed. [00:52] Anyone know about the volume indicator thing I was talking about? [00:53] LazarusDS, did you installed the xubuntu-desktop metapckage? === emma is now known as em [00:54] I just installed plain Ubuntu 12.04. [00:54] LazarusDS: this is more of a workaround than fixing the real problem: there is a panel applet "mixer" that shows a volume control in the panel. in its preferences you select what mixer control it should control [00:54] Hah. You're in both channels, eh, David-A? :P [00:54] LazarusDS, go to a terminal and run sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [00:54] both? all three! [00:55] I edited the control file to correct the case error, and rebuilt it, and now gdebi won't acknowledge that it's been installed, and it just defaults to the old name [00:55] >_< [00:55] GridCube: Is that going to change my desktop environment? I like XFCE. [00:55] LazarusDS, ... [00:55] that will install xubuntu properly [00:55] not just xfce [00:55] I don't remember installing open office being this much of a pain last time [00:55] I just wanted a different desktop environment. Unity is ugly. [00:55] all the things you need to have to run xubuntu, it includes more things than just installing xfce [00:56] * Viva_Caligula head desk [00:56] like sound indicators [00:56] So it's not normally suggested to install XFCE by itself? [00:56] not if you want xubuntu [00:56] When I mentioned I used Ubuntu a few years ago, and liked that interface (GNOME 2), it was suggested that I just install XFCE. [00:56] That's really all I wanted. Was an interface that was like GNOME 2. [00:56] if you wann xubuntu you install the xubuntu-desktop metapackage [00:56] panel, the widgets, thunar, etc are all part of xubuntu, but not sfce itself [00:56] LazarusDS, you will get that [00:57] *xfce [00:57] Viva_Caligula, no, thats wrong [00:57] anybody here installed open office recently? :T [00:57] xubuntu has an x [00:57] the x means xfce [00:57] no xfce is no xubuntu [00:57] So I should go hit the friend who told me to just install xfce? Because that's what broke this? T_T; [00:57] but only xfce its not xubuntu either [00:57] LazarusDS, :) just sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop [00:58] }{ [00:58] GridCube: I was saying xubuntu contained all of those things, but xfce is just xfce [00:58] LazarusDS, :) just sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [00:58] "xubuntu desktop is already the newest version". [00:58] So apparently I already have it. [00:58] Next suggestion? :P [00:58] dunno [00:58] sudo apt-get reinstall xubuntu-desktop [00:58] ? [00:58] Viva_Caligula, do man apt-get :P [00:58] bbl [00:58] Not a valid operation. [00:59] GridCube: open office isn't in the repositories, apt-get is useless [00:59] do remove then install then [00:59] or do a reinstall via synaptic [01:00] I assume I should restart after it reinstalls? [01:00] Or do you not have to in Linux? [01:00] you shouldn't have to [01:01] Well, it's done. Indicator's still broken. [01:01] try logging out, and starting a new session [01:01] you should select xubuntu session rather than xfce session [01:02] It always said xubuntu session. [01:11] Viva_Caligula, because open office got replaced by the most modern libreoffice [01:12] its basically just a change in its name though [01:12] I stuck with the apache open office branch [01:12] LazarusDS, check if you create a new user just to test if the indicators are broken for it too [01:15] That's not a bad idea. I'll check that in a minute. [01:33] Okay. [01:33] I made a new user, logged in as an xubunutu session. [01:33] The volume indicator worked. [01:33] And I noticed I was logging into my normal account as an xfce session. [01:33] Changed it to xubunutu. [01:33] Still doesn't work. [01:33] T_T; [01:34] it does work in the new account? [01:34] Yeah. [01:34] :o idea [01:35] try copy/pasting the contents of .config of the new account into your .config, and saying replace on files that are different [01:46] .config? [01:47] /home/.config [01:52] /home/$USER/.config or more commonly: ~/.config [01:52] ...crashed again. [01:53] Can I get to the new account's config from this one? Or do I have to log back into the new one? [01:53] (I'm a bit new to Linux. Please don't kill me. T_T) [01:53] Huh. [01:53] I found it, but it says permission denied. [01:54] open a terminal in that folder and type gksu thunar [01:55] wait, you know what? [01:55] I think you're better off just using the new account [01:55] Hmm? [01:55] But then I have to re-setup my panels. For a third time. T_T; [01:55] LazarusDS: i suggest, instead of copying from the other user, find and move out the offending config file. [01:55] Hmm? [01:55] What do you mean? [01:56] I got into the new account's .config. [01:56] How would I know what files to copy? [01:56] T_T [01:57] LazarusDS: there are hidden files (dot-files) in your home directory. for personal settings and stuff. some of them has a faulty sound setting. the other user had no such file or a fresh such file. [01:57] Okay. [01:57] I guess that makes sense. [01:57] But how would I be able to tell what file is the culprit? [01:58] LazarusDS: thats what we spend the rest of the night to find out :) [01:58] T_T [01:58] Should I just start listing what files are in the new account's .config? [01:58] LazarusDS: or we kill them all and let god sort it out :) [01:58] Folders: dconf, Thunar, update-notifier, xfce4. [01:59] Files: user-dirs.dirs, user-dirs.locale [01:59] The Thunar folder is empty. [01:59] LazarusDS: first, we dont remove, but move away / move out, so no important info is lost if we want to restore. [01:59] dconf has one file. [02:00] Yeah. I know. I've troubleshooted a computer problem before. Just never on Linux. :P [02:00] The file in dconf is "user", no file extension. [02:00] update-notifier is also empty. [02:00] xfce4 has four folders in it. [02:00] desktop, panel, xfconf, xfwm4. [02:00] Any clue so far? [02:02] LazarusDS: lets move away one at a time, logout/login and see if problem solved (or improved). if no change, move it back and move the next one away. [02:04] LazarusDS: there are alot of dot-files, so try a few most suspect first: .config .gconf .gnome .gnome2 [02:05] be carefull with the sudo'd thunar though [02:07] LazarusDS: do you need tips for how to move away? if move to a temporary dir or rename to a temporary name? [02:08] Oh, so you want me to just move one of the files out? [02:08] LazarusDS: one? well, one at a time. [02:08] So just like...cut the .config folder out. Put it somewhere for safe keeping. Log out , log back in. [02:08] See if that fixes it. [02:08] If not, put it back, pick a new one. [02:09] LazarusDS: right! have you created a temporary dir for them? [02:10] Not yet, but I'll have that in a 'sec. [02:10] I was just making sure I understood you first. [02:10] When I tried to cut and paste .config, it said "permission denied". [02:10] Despite the fact that I'm still logged in as root. [02:11] ... [02:11] No need. [02:11] I tried the volume control again. [02:11] And it works. [02:11] T_T [02:11] sad;flkkjhasd;ljh [02:11] Stupid thing. [02:11] Is a graphical root login as taboo to mention here as it is on the ubuntu forums? [02:11] LazarusDS: you could do it on a detailed level by moving dirs inside .config etc, but we find things much faster if you move the toplevel dotfiles like .config etc. [02:11] No need. It works now. [02:11] LazarusDS: no root please! [02:12] Thanks for all the help, guys. [02:12] I'm glad it works. ^^; [02:12] LazarusDS: the dot-files is owned by you, the temporary dir you created should be owned by you. no copy/paste, just move it, and move it back if needed. [02:13] I don't need to anymore. [02:13] The volume indicator is working now. [02:13] I dunno why. [02:13] LazarusDS: so you moved something. what? [02:13] I restarted, and went into an xubunutu session. It didn't work. But when my computer crashed a second ago, I logged in again. [02:13] And it just works now. [02:13] No. I didn't move anything. [02:13] It wouldn't let me. [02:14] LazarusDS: if you played as root before, maybe permissions problems caused it to not work, or permission problems cause it to work now. [02:15] I didn't though. [02:15] I think it was just that I was logging into an xfce4 session instead of an xubuntu session. [02:15] LazarusDS: just to check no latent problems, check that all dot-files is owned by you and not by root. [02:17] They are. [02:17] I've got read and write access, too. [02:17] LazarusDS: good, what are we going to do the rest of the night now? [02:17] would somebody tell me how to enable graphical root login? [02:17] Nothing. XD [02:18] I did usermod -p to set the pass, but i can't login to it still [02:18] LazarusDS: did you say icecream? eh, i'm off soon. [02:18] Hahaha. [02:18] Thanks guys. :D [02:18] I'm off. [02:20] I think it's still locked somehow, even though i set the pass, i can't get to it from a shell even [02:21] >: [02:22] Viva_Caligula: man page for usermod says "-p" takes an encrypted password, did you encrypt it before entering it? [02:22] encrypt? [02:25] nevermind, i was doing it wrong [02:25] >_< [02:26] Viva_Caligula: i guess like: crypt password <<<"banana" but that won't work because it will encrupt a newline at the end of banana, i think [02:27] yea, usermod isn't the easiest way [02:27] I got that figured out, now I have another question [02:27] is there an easy way to make the login like it was in jaunty ie you to enter the username and pass by hand? [02:31] Viva_Caligula: it is possible to install / choose other session managers, sometimes a different session manager can affect some functions in the desktop environment, but dont remember what. probably not a problem, search for all session managers and try all. [02:32] ah, mkay, and 2 more questions, then I'm done pestering for a while [02:33] would the karmic xubuntu on this laptop mind if i pointed synaptic at the repositories the precise uses for updated software [02:34] and have you tried to install the lastest open office? #openoffice has been no help, and there's a typo in a package name i can't seem to fix causing it [02:35] I tried extracting, editing the control file, then rebuilding, but it didn't fix it [02:41] in fact, i got no reply at all in #openoffice.org [03:02] hi [03:09] Hello everyone [03:09] I installed the GMA 3600 drivers from the Ubuntu PPA and now XFCE4 will not start properly [03:10] I have to manually do a 'startx' or 'startxfce4' and then the desktop environment starts, but XFCE4 then is not able to mount the drive === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [04:26] Client now ignoring all CTCPS [04:27] Viva_Caligula, you should not mix repositories from newer versions, it would be messy unless you know pinning and other advanced stuff [04:27] Ah, mkay [04:27] what you should do is try find a ppa [04:28] ppa? [04:29] well, first get into an LTS, karmic is a bad idea to use atm, you should go to 10.04 at lease, which was the next version [04:29] this is an old install, it works fine atm [04:29] 12.04 is highest LTS. [04:30] I've had issues making a dual boot of karmic and a later version [04:30] yes but its unsopported, while 10.04 is still supported [04:30] I've beeen trying to get a new install on here >_< [04:31] but I'm not touching this one, since if it breaks, I'm up a creek so to speak [04:31] i found the ppa, and it supports lucid [04:31] the libreoffice ppa [04:31] the install I was trying to get openoffice on is precise [04:32] well, for production, please try to stick to LTS releases [04:32] using and keeping 9.10 was a bad idea, in that case you should have gone to 10.04 and remain there [04:32] precise? oh [04:32] I was afraid to update when I couldn't get 10.04 to install and word on here [04:32] precise uses libreoffice [04:33] and this isntall has all the software i typically uses, so *shrug* [04:33] I mean I grabbed open office from it's site [04:33] libreoffice should open your openoffice files just fine [04:33] openoffice is basically dead anyway [04:33] the developers moved to libreoffice [04:34] which is why the distros switched to libreoffice [04:35] libreoffice is in the repositories, you don't have to go to any website, you simply install the package libreoffice [04:35] i would also install libreoffice-gtk to make it prettier [04:35] and any language files you might need (l10n) [04:41] hi hi [04:42] o_O that didn't really answer my question, you just sort of ran me over with libre office [04:43] Is there a reason for using older LTS versions? [04:43] I never understood why [04:43] for Xubuntu anyway [04:47] Viva_Caligula, so what is your question? [04:47] With LTS you don't need to upgrade every 6 months, you can wait for the next LTS every 2 years [04:48] Artemis3: Libreoffice is quite pretty in xfce 4.10 [04:48] Oh wait [04:48] That's because I do indeed have the libreoffice-gtk installed [04:48] production machines can't always afford much downtime, so upgrading every 6 months can be a hassle, while every 2 years a more bearable [04:49] it's tjhe same reason why XP os very widespread, it;s stable and working, so no need to push an update [04:49] non LTS also get unsupported rather quickly, something you don't want to have in a machine that won't be upgraded for long [04:49] grr, typos [04:51] you can thing of LTS as "Stable", and the non LTS as "Testing" or "beta", of sorts, i know some would disagree but its the easiest [04:51] think [04:51] why is power management in Linux not very good? [04:51] as you see, right know you could install libreoffice in lucid, but not in karmic. [04:52] furrypurs, that depends on the hardware involved, and linux (kernel) version :) [04:53] i think Canonical is working those issues with vendors that ship Ubuntu preinstalled, as well as others [05:05] hola [05:06] quicira saber sobre como pesonalizar el xubuntu lo estoy instalando ja estoy imigrando del xp ja [05:22] now installing about 1.8GB of packages [05:23] i decidced to just go with libreoffice, i grabbed a ton of games, so prgorams i missed, and opencascade to play with [05:23] *programs [05:25] you are talknig about precise now? [05:26] yeah [05:26] ok [05:27] How does opencascade compare to autodesk inventor? [05:27] been ages since i messed with 3d cad software [05:28] I'm afraid thats not an area of my expertise ;) try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic [05:31] in the precise install I'm getting random 'hiccups' [05:31] like the system goes unresponsive for a second, then back to normal [05:31] define hiccups [05:31] hmm [05:31] ram? [05:31] gpu? [05:31] it'll do a few cycles of that, then normal for a while [05:32] compositor enabled or disabled [05:32] Ah, I'll check ram but i have a ~5gb swap partition [05:32] how much ram you have, and what gpu [05:32] (i'm not a friend of large swap partitions ;) [05:32] but that shouldn't matter [05:33] you could lower your swappiness, adding vm.swappiness=10 to your /etc/sysctl.conf [05:34] Artemis3: I'm not doing anything graphic intensive, just watching music videos on youtube, and it's the built in video [05:34] also fstab could use noatime in your partitions [05:34] how much ram do you have? [05:34] machine has 1gb of ram, but i can't see the usage very well in the feault monitor, so i have to wait for snyaptic to finish doing it's thing [05:34] *default [05:35] why did you make such a large swap partition? would have been about 2g by default [05:35] I gave 35gb to xp, 35 to precise, and just set the rest as swap [05:36] this machine (the karmic one) has 4gb of ram, and i set swap to 10 for the heck of it [05:36] hmm [05:36] oh well its your wasted disk space, shouldn't matter much [05:36] this one has a 350gb disk, i could never fill it anywho [05:37] as long as you fix your swappiness [05:37] after i can get a better system monitor, (5 minutes maybe) I'll see what the ram and swap are doing [05:38] what do you mean? you can use the one included in xubuntu [05:38] that one has a tiny graph for ram I can't tell what the marks represent, and doesn't show swap [05:39] add to the panel [05:39] there is one with swap usage, and such [05:39] it's a lot less usefull than the default one in karmic >:T [05:40] my own machines, don't have swap anymore, at work we use 1g of swap, no matter the physical ram (usually from 1 to 4g) [05:41] you rarely use swap with normal desktop usage anyway, and when you do, you are in trouble [05:42] that precise machine is just a single core 1.83 i think, so maybe i'm expecting a tad much of it [05:42] although i'm not really doing anything resource intensive atm [05:42] the other use for swap is to hibernate, then you need 100.1% of your physical [05:42] hibernate? [05:42] yes, its like suspend, only it copies the concent from ram to swap, and fully shuts down [05:43] content [05:43] when you suspend the machine, the whole thing but the memory banks are powered down, the memory keeps refreshing. [05:43] oh, I never do things like that, it's either on, or shutdown [05:44] can't recall windows nomenclature for that, or even macosx, but they have it as well [05:44] then you don't have to bother :) [05:44] its useful for laptops tho [05:44] netbooks, tablets, that mobile stuff... [05:45] both machines are laptops, but I don't use them when moving around [05:46] suppose you want to "freeze" your work, without wasting energy, you "hibernate" the machine. Come back, push the power button and the machine returns the way it was before you froze it. [05:46] woo, it's finished downloading [05:46] thats the idea but perhaps you don't need it, and i can understand, Xfce can save sessions, and Firefox too, so its not that important [05:46] now it has to setup everything [05:47] I noticed something in precise that got me wondering, when did xubuntu stop making you jump through a hoop for graphical root login? [05:48] jump through a hoop? [05:48] all I had to do was give root a password, and it worked, but on jaunty and karmic i've had to find some setting and change it [05:49] hmm [05:49] been a long while since i did that... [05:50] what setting would that be [05:50] I'd ask on the ubuntu forums, but you get disowned there for even mentioning graphical root [05:50] oh [05:50] of course [05:50] you should not do that [05:50] and i was thinking console login [05:50] which should work just fine [05:51] the setting must relate to graphical, which you should never do [05:51] as a matter of fact, you should avoid using root [05:51] I'm not the most proficient at terminal use, so it's saved me quite a bit of time in a few cases [05:51] but generally I avoid using it [05:52] even in graphics, you can get temporal root with gksudo and friends, don't see why would anyone login as root [05:53] I mainly just like having the option to [05:55] its regarded as very unsafe, thats why its not recommended. [05:57] you can trash your system, malicious software could also do it, and attackers would have a juicy target there. root should be avoided like a plague :) [05:58] normally remote root login is disabled as well [05:59] if i want to shut down quickly via a shell, it's only 26 keystrokes instead of 38? XD [06:05] sudo shutdown -h now ? [06:06] there is also alt sysrq reisuo [06:06] what's the h flag do again? [06:06] halt [06:07] ah, my count was for without the -h flag [06:07] and what keys are sysrq and reisuo? [06:08] might be not needed but i got used to it [06:08] to distinguish from -r perhaps [06:09] and odd request but is there a way to induce a kernel panic to see what one looks like? [06:09] the key for print screen, when invoked using ALT, becomes SysRq [06:10] while holding those two, you slowly push the letters one by one [06:10] ohh [06:10] the last letter, o is to turn off, or b to reboot [06:11] could that be used on a system that's crashing so hard it refuses to bring a shell up? [06:11] yes [06:11] better than hard reset if it works [06:11] gives one last chance to sync the disk, etc, also pushing the power button a single time might do the trick [06:11] oh, neat, I have another option now [06:12] its good for emergencies [06:13] like, i need to shut down the machine now, now, now... reisuo is faster than single pushing power, less waiting :) [06:13] pressing the keys can be tricky tho [06:13] odd question, but is there a way to induce a "test" kernel panic, sorta like how you can trigger a bsod in windows [06:14] only kernel panic I've seen was during the boot of a corrupt live cd [06:15] heh, maybe c? [06:16] haven't tried ;) [06:16] "Reboot kexec and output a crashdump" [06:17] l sounds interesting too [06:34] linux seems to be too stable to panic at will :P [06:35] windows is fairly easy to with 3rd party tools, just kill a process that the default task manager won't let you [06:36] but that's about like jamming a peice or rebar into a gearbox to stop it [06:42] it'd be neat if i could just call panic() via a shell, but that routine being triggerable from userland is stupid at best [08:31] A [08:31] B [08:32] C [08:32] D [08:32] E [08:32] F [08:32] G [08:32] H [08:32] I [08:32] J [08:32] K [08:32] L [08:32] M [08:32] ok.. that's enough [08:32] N [08:32] O [08:32] P [08:32] Q [08:33] FUCK XUBUNTU FUCK XUBUNTU FUCK XUBUNTU FUCK XUBUNTU [08:33] FUCK XUBUNTU FUCK XUBUNTU FUCK XUBUNTU [08:33] FUCK XUBUNTU FUCK XUBUNTU FUCK XUBUNTU FUCK XUBUNTU [08:33] wow. just wow [08:33] yeah. === aeternum_solus is now known as any === any is now known as aeternum_solus [13:41] c.è qualcuno IT? [13:41] !it | xubuntu190 [13:41] xubuntu190: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette) [14:21] qualcuno lo ha usato in virtuale su VM? [14:22] !vm | xubuntu190 [14:22] xubuntu190: There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications [14:23] xubuntu190, english here please [14:23] ok! thanks. [14:24] try virtual box xubunt augh === W4sp_ is now known as W4sp [16:09] would something happen to my laptop if I leave it on downloading torrents for 5 full days? thats 120 straight hours [16:10] cooling is ok, machine is on 6 cm blocks [16:10] no [16:10] my laptop is on 24/7 with no issues [16:11] my max uptime has been around 1 month, but that's only becuase i had to shut it down to take it somewhere [16:11] netbook keeping up my home network has been up for 254 days, but it's not running xorg of course [16:12]