| === Squt is now known as Sput | ||
| shadeslayer | lolwot | 00:59 |
|---|---|---|
| shadeslayer | trying to install the kubuntu-desktop task will pull in kde-workspace | 01:00 |
| shadeslayer | but installing kubuntu-desktop the meta package will not? | 01:00 |
| * shadeslayer checks seeds | 01:00 | |
| shadeslayer | indeed | 01:01 |
| shadeslayer | I see kde-workspace-bin but no kde-workspace | 01:02 |
| shadeslayer | oh meh | 01:02 |
| shadeslayer | does kde-workspace serve any purpose? | 01:02 |
| shadeslayer | mostly seems empty | 01:02 |
| shadeslayer | should probably be dropped from the task as well | 01:03 |
| ScottK | That's going to pull in kdm. | 01:06 |
| ScottK | So probably. | 01:06 |
| ScottK | Actuall, it won't. | 01:07 |
| ScottK | Why do you want to remove it? | 01:07 |
| freeflying_ | 01:40 | |
| === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech | ||
| shadeslayer | ScottK: because it's empty and serves no purpose? | 05:51 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: it's the meta package that pulls in all kde-workspace packages | 06:39 |
| Riddelll | hola | 08:07 |
| jussi | Morning Riddelll with 3 l's | 08:10 |
| === Riddelll is now known as Riddell | ||
| tazz | Morning Riddelll with 2 l's | 08:16 |
| tazz | oops | 08:16 |
| tazz | The joke is on me :-/ *Sigh* | 08:16 |
| jussi | tazz: the joke is _always_ on you :P | 08:17 |
| tazz | thanks for pointing that out jussi. | 08:18 |
| tazz | :p | 08:18 |
| * jussi hugs tazz | 08:18 | |
| * tazz hugs jussi back | 08:18 | |
| jtechidna | claydoh: connection issues? | 13:17 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: the share printers error you sent me is still happening? I did some tests but I can't reproduce it... | 13:45 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I'd appreciate it if you'd do the print manager for precise (PPA) so I could try it. | 14:03 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: uhm, then why is it not seeded into desktop? | 14:49 |
| cmagina | ugh, nepomuk/akonadi the system killer. on my laptops with few files and small SSD's it doesn't cause issues, but on my desktop with half a terabyte of data and some large number of files it literally causes my system to be slower then windows on boot | 15:05 |
| cmagina | love watching akonadi-t consume twice the memory of firefox and an entire core, plus 2 nepmuk threads consuming 2 more cores on my system. pretty ridiculous | 15:06 |
| cmagina | ignoring the 5G and growing database file it has | 15:07 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: because we don't want *everything* from kde-workspace + a useless meta package | 15:08 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: and generally it's a debian thing | 15:09 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: maybe I'm missing something, but everything that kde-workspace pull | 15:09 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: maybe I'm missing something, but everything that kde-workspace pull's in is already seeded ( need to check, but it seems that way ) | 15:09 |
| shadeslayer | cmagina: leave it overnight | 15:09 |
| shadeslayer | that's what I did | 15:10 |
| cmagina | shadeslayer: done that before, but not with this most recent version | 15:10 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: if you're interested, kde-plasma-{desktop,netbook} depend on kde-workspace | 15:10 |
| shadeslayer | oh oh | 15:10 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/14/via-technologies-apc-8750-mobo-cpu-combo-on-sale-today/ | 15:10 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: I don't know why we don't, but if it has no benefits, just leave it | 15:11 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 15:11 |
| cmagina | the problem seems to be that on boot it does a refresh of the index, causes lots of io on my system with tons of files | 15:11 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: I was just curious as to why the kubuntu-desktop task depends on it while the metapackage does not | 15:11 |
| shadeslayer | cmagina: uhh ... 0.o | 15:11 |
| yofel | ah, good question then | 15:11 |
| shadeslayer | I've never had that happen | 15:11 |
| yofel | I had that happen while I was still using a rotary HDD | 15:12 |
| yofel | made the desktop unresponsive for a minute | 15:12 |
| yofel | on every login | 15:12 |
| cmagina | it currently has 326,694 files in its index and is still going | 15:12 |
| cmagina | plasma takes about 20-30 seconds to start, and then its another 10 minutes for my disk to stop grinding | 15:13 |
| cmagina | software that gets started is responsive, kwin is responsive, just anything that has to access the disk is slow | 15:13 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 15:13 |
| shadeslayer | cmagina: how much memory did you allocate to virtuoso?? | 15:14 |
| cmagina | default | 15:14 |
| cmagina | so, i think its what, 50m | 15:14 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 15:14 |
| cmagina | the other nasty part is the database is now 5G. thats a bit too big for my comfort. granted my 1.5TB drive doesn't care, but if it creates something like that on my laptop's 128G ssd's, that would be too big | 15:15 |
| cmagina | the memory leak is definitely gone though | 15:16 |
| cmagina | is there a nepomuk/akonadi channel? | 15:17 |
| yofel | there's definitely #akonadi, but I don't know where the nepomuk folks sit | 15:18 |
| shadeslayer | #nepomuk-kde | 15:19 |
| shadeslayer | that's where :) | 15:19 |
| yofel | #kontact would be another place for kdepim related akonadi talk | 15:19 |
| shadeslayer | for virtuoso issues, #openlink-virtuoso | 15:19 |
| cmagina | pretty sure these issues are all to do with the file indexer | 15:20 |
| shadeslayer | cmagina: yeah, there was a patch upstream for the mem leak, I backported it | 15:20 |
| shadeslayer | they usually are | 15:20 |
| cmagina | and i tested it :) | 15:20 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 15:20 |
| cmagina | thanks for that. i saw the patch hit the bug i was watching for it | 15:20 |
| shadeslayer | but I just left it running overnight to do it's thing, and it's not consuming alot of resources now | 15:21 |
| yofel | the BIG database file is related to strigi, it was 3G here before I deleted it and turned strigi off | 15:21 |
| cmagina | yeah, figured as much | 15:21 |
| yofel | oh fun, seems like they fixed ktimetracker upstream | 15:22 |
| cmagina | i'll see about posting/updating some bugs over on bugs.k.o on these issues (found one where it looks like the indexer never removes, always adds) | 15:23 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: hm, that VIA board is ARMv6 too :/ | 15:27 |
| * yofel is still waiting for his raspi | 15:27 | |
| shadeslayer | oh, you ordered a RasPi? | 15:28 |
| yofel | yep | 15:28 |
| shadeslayer | you can run KDE on that tiny amount of RAM :P | 15:28 |
| yofel | yay :D | 15:28 |
| shadeslayer | just disable nepomuk and akonadi | 15:28 |
| yofel | haha | 15:28 |
| shadeslayer | oh and word of advice, install the rootfs on a external HDD, or, get a class 10 SD Card | 15:29 |
| yofel | will do, need to get a new one though. All I have here is a spare 8GiB Class 4 one which won't work | 15:29 |
| === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter | ||
| Riddell | Mamarok: amarok homepage isn't updated for 2.6? | 15:56 |
| Riddell | maybe a Promote to Front Page tickbox needs ticked? | 15:56 |
| Riddell | kubuntu.org/news/amarok-26 | 15:56 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: of course it is: http://amarok.kde.org | 15:57 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: top item is amarok 2.5 here | 15:57 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: try it without being logged in? | 15:57 |
| Mamarok | erase your cache | 15:57 |
| Mamarok | it is published with the promote to front page ticked | 15:58 |
| Riddell | w3m amarok.kde.org shows amarok 2.5 | 15:58 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: what browser do you use? | 15:59 |
| Mamarok | and it can't show amarok 2.5, that would have been 3 articles back | 15:59 |
| rdieter | Mamarok: I can confirm Riddell's experiences, i don't see any 2.6 reference on amarok.kde.org either, using any browser | 15:59 |
| Mamarok | try refreshing now | 16:01 |
| Mamarok | apparently the tick was set on the 2.5 article | 16:01 |
| Riddell | works now | 16:01 |
| rdieter | better | 16:01 |
| ScottK | Yes. And it came in English instead of German this time too. Double win. | 16:01 |
| Mamarok | sorry, I assumed that tick was removed long ago, as we had 2 other articles since | 16:02 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: I'm about to do a new release now (I've fixed your 2 issues and another TODO), can you confirm you still have the share printer error? | 16:17 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: let me see | 16:30 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: yep http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/printer.png | 16:32 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: which cups version? | 16:33 |
| Riddell | 1.6.1-0ubuntu2 | 16:34 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: did you build with the CUPS_1_6 flag on? | 16:34 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: yes | 16:35 |
| dantti_laptop | and did you click system preferences -> share printers connected to this system or on the checkbox bellow the printer name? | 16:35 |
| Riddell | system preferences -> share printers connected to this system | 16:36 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: hmm that's odd it works on cups 1.6 at home, can you send your cups.conf file and the groups output so I can test at home? | 16:38 |
| dantti_laptop | hmm how odd, I just get this error with cups 1.5 :P | 16:39 |
| dantti_laptop | have tested that thing many times.. | 16:39 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: how do you mean groups output? | 16:40 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: well depending on which group your user is your cups config might or might not work.. | 16:41 |
| Riddell | http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/cupsd.conf | 16:41 |
| Riddell | http://paste.kde.org/535010/ | 16:42 |
| Riddell | hmm now my cups server has really broken and won't start | 16:45 |
| dantti_laptop | ok you are on lpadmin so you shouldn't have this kind of issue | 16:45 |
| dantti_laptop | won't start? | 16:45 |
| Riddell | seems there's something wrong with the latest cups in ubuntu, I upgraded another machine and it won't start there too | 16:48 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: ok, there was a part in the code that used was comparing the cups error string, but it is translated so it should work now, please test last git if you can | 17:02 |
| dantti_laptop | at least here I can't see that message anymore | 17:03 |
| Riddell | cloning... | 17:05 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: yay that fixed it :) | 17:11 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: cool, actually If the server takes too much time to restart you will still see that message so I'm fixing this issue in another place too :P | 17:12 |
| dantti_laptop | ok done, I'm going to prepare a new release now and do a review request :) | 17:15 |
| === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech | ||
| === debfx_ is now known as debfx | ||
| ScottK | claydoh: Can you work on 12.04.1 release notes? It should be a matter of updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu to reflect stuff we've changed since the release. | 19:23 |
| ScottK | claydoh: You can ignore the common infrastructure bits. Someone else will do that. | 19:31 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: What releases are the fix you did for https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296944 in? | 19:31 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 296944 in Contacts resource "Possible data loss if the destination folder doesn't exists" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] | 19:31 |
| claydoh | ScottK: ok, will be a few days or so friday or later , any significant changes other than KDE version ? | 19:41 |
| ScottK | claydoh: Probably some bugs fixed. I know the kmix one it. | 19:42 |
| shadeslayer | should be in 4.9.0 | 19:42 |
| shadeslayer | because he fixed it 2 months ago | 19:43 |
| === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech | ||
| === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech | ||
| Riddell | ScottK: print-manager is in ~jr PPA for precise amd64 | 20:54 |
| * ScottK has i386, so I'll wait. | 20:55 | |
| Riddell | poor old i386 has taken many hours to compile and isn't at the top of the list yet | 20:55 |
| Riddell | estimated 1 hour | 20:55 |
| * Daskreech misses the update systray telling me how many updates I have | 21:00 | |
| claydoh | I can't seem to get along with launchpad 0 how do | 22:55 |
| claydoh | how do I search for kubuntu bugs properly? Specifically ones fixed foe 12.04.1? | 22:56 |
| gotwig | morning devs | 23:15 |
| gotwig | how can I register a translator account for kde? | 23:15 |
| d_ed | gotwig: you may want to also ask #kde-i18n | 23:20 |
| gotwig | thx | 23:20 |
| gotwig | good night :-) | 23:20 |
| JontheEchidna | Daskreech: click the update systray icon, and in Muon Update Manager go to Settings -> Notification Settings. there's a checkbox for that in there | 23:40 |
| Daskreech | Yeah I know now. I was going to say wonder if there could be a configuration for that. Then I decided to check.... | 23:41 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 23:41 |
| JontheEchidna | Hey, when I dumb down my software, I at least keep the options open to the power users :P | 23:42 |
| Daskreech | :-) | 23:42 |
| * jocarter hates the state of everything being dumbed down and more and more options being removed | 23:43 | |
| jocarter | GRRRR | 23:43 |
| Daskreech | where is that happening? | 23:43 |
| JontheEchidna | well, I have a fairly good reason for this one at least... most people don't care about the number of packages being updated. I've seen people not want to update because the *number* of pacakges was too high, when it really wasn't more than 10 MiB of updates. | 23:44 |
| Daskreech | that would be me but then i read through the changelogs of all the packages | 23:45 |
| JontheEchidna | so by default the Muon Update Manager only expands the list of applications that have updates, and emphasises the total download size rather than number of packages | 23:45 |
| JontheEchidna | well, except in the case of security updates. it expands that list because it's important | 23:46 |
| JontheEchidna | ;) | 23:46 |
| cmagina | i find the muon updater much better then the default ubuntu updater :) | 23:46 |
| JontheEchidna | <3 | 23:47 |
| cmagina | very nice work | 23:47 |
| JontheEchidna | thank you | 23:47 |
| JontheEchidna | to change the subject completely, lol: http://r-wos.org/hacks/gti | 23:47 |
| cmagina | i've seen some really nice changes in the latest (quantal) software center too; show technical, etc. so thanks for those too :) | 23:47 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 23:48 |
| JontheEchidna | it also won't boot you back to the main screen when it gets done commiting package changes. you can thank apol for that one | 23:48 |
| cmagina | awesome gti | 23:49 |
| cmagina | apoi_: thanks much for the "don't kick back to home" in muon | 23:49 |
| JontheEchidna | that's not apol, he's not on right now. usually has either the apol or apol_ nick | 23:50 |
| cmagina | i've seen some fun aliasing in bash/zsh files to work around command typos | 23:50 |
| cmagina | ah, ok, i'll thank him next time i see him around | 23:50 |
| jocarter | lol, a mk1 | 23:51 |
| cmagina | oh yeah, apoi...brain ignored the i | 23:51 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah I've done that too | 23:51 |
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