=== Squt is now known as Sput [00:59] lolwot [01:00] trying to install the kubuntu-desktop task will pull in kde-workspace [01:00] but installing kubuntu-desktop the meta package will not? [01:00] * shadeslayer checks seeds [01:01] indeed [01:02] I see kde-workspace-bin but no kde-workspace [01:02] oh meh [01:02] does kde-workspace serve any purpose? [01:02] mostly seems empty [01:03] should probably be dropped from the task as well [01:06] That's going to pull in kdm. [01:06] So probably. [01:07] Actuall, it won't. [01:07] Why do you want to remove it? [01:40] === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [05:51] ScottK: because it's empty and serves no purpose? [06:39] shadeslayer: it's the meta package that pulls in all kde-workspace packages [08:07] hola [08:10] Morning Riddelll with 3 l's === Riddelll is now known as Riddell [08:16] Morning Riddelll with 2 l's [08:16] oops [08:16] The joke is on me :-/ *Sigh* [08:17] tazz: the joke is _always_ on you :P [08:18] thanks for pointing that out jussi. [08:18] :p [08:18] * jussi hugs tazz [08:18] * tazz hugs jussi back [13:17] claydoh: connection issues? [13:45] Riddell: the share printers error you sent me is still happening? I did some tests but I can't reproduce it... [14:03] Riddell: I'd appreciate it if you'd do the print manager for precise (PPA) so I could try it. [14:49] yofel: uhm, then why is it not seeded into desktop? [15:05] ugh, nepomuk/akonadi the system killer. on my laptops with few files and small SSD's it doesn't cause issues, but on my desktop with half a terabyte of data and some large number of files it literally causes my system to be slower then windows on boot [15:06] love watching akonadi-t consume twice the memory of firefox and an entire core, plus 2 nepmuk threads consuming 2 more cores on my system. pretty ridiculous [15:07] ignoring the 5G and growing database file it has [15:08] shadeslayer: because we don't want *everything* from kde-workspace + a useless meta package [15:09] shadeslayer: and generally it's a debian thing [15:09] yofel: maybe I'm missing something, but everything that kde-workspace pull [15:09] yofel: maybe I'm missing something, but everything that kde-workspace pull's in is already seeded ( need to check, but it seems that way ) [15:09] cmagina: leave it overnight [15:10] that's what I did [15:10] shadeslayer: done that before, but not with this most recent version [15:10] shadeslayer: if you're interested, kde-plasma-{desktop,netbook} depend on kde-workspace [15:10] oh oh [15:10] yofel: http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/14/via-technologies-apc-8750-mobo-cpu-combo-on-sale-today/ [15:11] shadeslayer: I don't know why we don't, but if it has no benefits, just leave it [15:11] :P [15:11] the problem seems to be that on boot it does a refresh of the index, causes lots of io on my system with tons of files [15:11] yofel: I was just curious as to why the kubuntu-desktop task depends on it while the metapackage does not [15:11] cmagina: uhh ... 0.o [15:11] ah, good question then [15:11] I've never had that happen [15:12] I had that happen while I was still using a rotary HDD [15:12] made the desktop unresponsive for a minute [15:12] on every login [15:12] it currently has 326,694 files in its index and is still going [15:13] plasma takes about 20-30 seconds to start, and then its another 10 minutes for my disk to stop grinding [15:13] software that gets started is responsive, kwin is responsive, just anything that has to access the disk is slow [15:13] hmm [15:14] cmagina: how much memory did you allocate to virtuoso?? [15:14] default [15:14] so, i think its what, 50m [15:14] hmm [15:15] the other nasty part is the database is now 5G. thats a bit too big for my comfort. granted my 1.5TB drive doesn't care, but if it creates something like that on my laptop's 128G ssd's, that would be too big [15:16] the memory leak is definitely gone though [15:17] is there a nepomuk/akonadi channel? [15:18] there's definitely #akonadi, but I don't know where the nepomuk folks sit [15:19] #nepomuk-kde [15:19] that's where :) [15:19] #kontact would be another place for kdepim related akonadi talk [15:19] for virtuoso issues, #openlink-virtuoso [15:20] pretty sure these issues are all to do with the file indexer [15:20] cmagina: yeah, there was a patch upstream for the mem leak, I backported it [15:20] they usually are [15:20] and i tested it :) [15:20] :P [15:20] thanks for that. i saw the patch hit the bug i was watching for it [15:21] but I just left it running overnight to do it's thing, and it's not consuming alot of resources now [15:21] the BIG database file is related to strigi, it was 3G here before I deleted it and turned strigi off [15:21] yeah, figured as much [15:22] oh fun, seems like they fixed ktimetracker upstream [15:23] i'll see about posting/updating some bugs over on bugs.k.o on these issues (found one where it looks like the indexer never removes, always adds) [15:27] shadeslayer: hm, that VIA board is ARMv6 too :/ [15:27] * yofel is still waiting for his raspi [15:28] oh, you ordered a RasPi? [15:28] yep [15:28] you can run KDE on that tiny amount of RAM :P [15:28] yay :D [15:28] just disable nepomuk and akonadi [15:28] haha [15:29] oh and word of advice, install the rootfs on a external HDD, or, get a class 10 SD Card [15:29] will do, need to get a new one though. All I have here is a spare 8GiB Class 4 one which won't work === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter [15:56] Mamarok: amarok homepage isn't updated for 2.6? [15:56] maybe a Promote to Front Page tickbox needs ticked? [15:56] kubuntu.org/news/amarok-26 [15:57] Riddell: of course it is: http://amarok.kde.org [15:57] Mamarok: top item is amarok 2.5 here [15:57] Mamarok: try it without being logged in? [15:57] erase your cache [15:58] it is published with the promote to front page ticked [15:58] w3m amarok.kde.org shows amarok 2.5 [15:59] Riddell: what browser do you use? [15:59] and it can't show amarok 2.5, that would have been 3 articles back [15:59] Mamarok: I can confirm Riddell's experiences, i don't see any 2.6 reference on amarok.kde.org either, using any browser [16:01] try refreshing now [16:01] apparently the tick was set on the 2.5 article [16:01] works now [16:01] better [16:01] Yes. And it came in English instead of German this time too. Double win. [16:02] sorry, I assumed that tick was removed long ago, as we had 2 other articles since [16:17] Riddell: I'm about to do a new release now (I've fixed your 2 issues and another TODO), can you confirm you still have the share printer error? [16:30] dantti_laptop: let me see [16:32] dantti_laptop: yep http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/printer.png [16:33] Riddell: which cups version? [16:34] 1.6.1-0ubuntu2 [16:34] Riddell: did you build with the CUPS_1_6 flag on? [16:35] dantti_laptop: yes [16:35] and did you click system preferences -> share printers connected to this system or on the checkbox bellow the printer name? [16:36] system preferences -> share printers connected to this system [16:38] Riddell: hmm that's odd it works on cups 1.6 at home, can you send your cups.conf file and the groups output so I can test at home? [16:39] hmm how odd, I just get this error with cups 1.5 :P [16:39] have tested that thing many times.. [16:40] dantti_laptop: how do you mean groups output? [16:41] Riddell: well depending on which group your user is your cups config might or might not work.. [16:41] http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/cupsd.conf [16:42] http://paste.kde.org/535010/ [16:45] hmm now my cups server has really broken and won't start [16:45] ok you are on lpadmin so you shouldn't have this kind of issue [16:45] won't start? [16:48] seems there's something wrong with the latest cups in ubuntu, I upgraded another machine and it won't start there too [17:02] Riddell: ok, there was a part in the code that used was comparing the cups error string, but it is translated so it should work now, please test last git if you can [17:03] at least here I can't see that message anymore [17:05] cloning... [17:11] dantti_laptop: yay that fixed it :) [17:12] Riddell: cool, actually If the server takes too much time to restart you will still see that message so I'm fixing this issue in another place too :P [17:15] ok done, I'm going to prepare a new release now and do a review request :) === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech === debfx_ is now known as debfx [19:23] claydoh: Can you work on 12.04.1 release notes? It should be a matter of updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu to reflect stuff we've changed since the release. [19:31] claydoh: You can ignore the common infrastructure bits. Someone else will do that. [19:31] apachelogger_: What releases are the fix you did for https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296944 in? [19:31] KDE bug 296944 in Contacts resource "Possible data loss if the destination folder doesn't exists" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] [19:41] ScottK: ok, will be a few days or so friday or later , any significant changes other than KDE version ? [19:42] claydoh: Probably some bugs fixed. I know the kmix one it. [19:42] should be in 4.9.0 [19:43] because he fixed it 2 months ago === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [20:54] ScottK: print-manager is in ~jr PPA for precise amd64 [20:55] * ScottK has i386, so I'll wait. [20:55] poor old i386 has taken many hours to compile and isn't at the top of the list yet [20:55] estimated 1 hour [21:00] * Daskreech misses the update systray telling me how many updates I have [22:55] I can't seem to get along with launchpad 0 how do [22:56] how do I search for kubuntu bugs properly? Specifically ones fixed foe 12.04.1? [23:15] morning devs [23:15] how can I register a translator account for kde? [23:20] gotwig: you may want to also ask #kde-i18n [23:20] thx [23:20] good night :-) [23:40] Daskreech: click the update systray icon, and in Muon Update Manager go to Settings -> Notification Settings. there's a checkbox for that in there [23:41] Yeah I know now. I was going to say wonder if there could be a configuration for that. Then I decided to check.... [23:41] :) [23:42] Hey, when I dumb down my software, I at least keep the options open to the power users :P [23:42] :-) [23:43] * jocarter hates the state of everything being dumbed down and more and more options being removed [23:43] GRRRR [23:43] where is that happening? [23:44] well, I have a fairly good reason for this one at least... most people don't care about the number of packages being updated. I've seen people not want to update because the *number* of pacakges was too high, when it really wasn't more than 10 MiB of updates. [23:45] that would be me but then i read through the changelogs of all the packages [23:45] so by default the Muon Update Manager only expands the list of applications that have updates, and emphasises the total download size rather than number of packages [23:46] well, except in the case of security updates. it expands that list because it's important [23:46] ;) [23:46] i find the muon updater much better then the default ubuntu updater :) [23:47] <3 [23:47] very nice work [23:47] thank you [23:47] to change the subject completely, lol: http://r-wos.org/hacks/gti [23:47] i've seen some really nice changes in the latest (quantal) software center too; show technical, etc. so thanks for those too :) [23:48] :) [23:48] it also won't boot you back to the main screen when it gets done commiting package changes. you can thank apol for that one [23:49] awesome gti [23:49] apoi_: thanks much for the "don't kick back to home" in muon [23:50] that's not apol, he's not on right now. usually has either the apol or apol_ nick [23:50] i've seen some fun aliasing in bash/zsh files to work around command typos [23:50] ah, ok, i'll thank him next time i see him around [23:51] lol, a mk1 [23:51] oh yeah, apoi...brain ignored the i [23:51] yeah I've done that too