[00:59] <shadeslayer> lolwot
[01:00] <shadeslayer> trying to install the kubuntu-desktop task will pull in kde-workspace
[01:00] <shadeslayer> but installing kubuntu-desktop the meta package will not?
[01:00]  * shadeslayer checks seeds
[01:01] <shadeslayer> indeed
[01:02] <shadeslayer> I see kde-workspace-bin but no kde-workspace
[01:02] <shadeslayer> oh meh
[01:02] <shadeslayer> does kde-workspace serve any purpose?
[01:02] <shadeslayer> mostly seems empty
[01:03] <shadeslayer> should probably be dropped from the task as well
[01:06] <ScottK> That's going to pull in kdm.
[01:06] <ScottK> So probably.
[01:07] <ScottK> Actuall, it won't.
[01:07] <ScottK> Why do you want to remove it?
[01:40] <freeflying_>  
[05:51] <shadeslayer> ScottK: because it's empty and serves no purpose?
[06:39] <yofel> shadeslayer: it's the meta package that pulls in all kde-workspace packages
[08:07] <Riddelll> hola
[08:10] <jussi> Morning Riddelll with 3 l's
[08:16] <tazz> Morning Riddelll with 2 l's
[08:16] <tazz> oops
[08:16] <tazz> The joke is on me :-/ *Sigh*
[08:17] <jussi> tazz: the joke is _always_ on you :P
[08:18] <tazz> thanks for pointing that out jussi.
[08:18] <tazz> :p
[08:18]  * jussi hugs tazz
[08:18]  * tazz hugs jussi back
[13:17] <jtechidna> claydoh: connection issues?
[13:45] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: the share printers error you sent me is still happening? I did some tests but I  can't reproduce it...
[14:03] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd appreciate it if you'd do the print manager for precise (PPA) so I could try it.
[14:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: uhm, then why is it not seeded into desktop?
[15:05] <cmagina> ugh, nepomuk/akonadi the system killer. on my laptops with few files and small SSD's it doesn't cause issues, but on my desktop with half a terabyte of data and some large number of files it literally causes my system to be slower then windows on boot
[15:06] <cmagina> love watching akonadi-t consume twice the memory of firefox and an entire core, plus 2 nepmuk threads consuming 2 more cores on my system. pretty ridiculous
[15:07] <cmagina> ignoring the 5G and growing database file it has
[15:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: because we don't want *everything* from kde-workspace + a useless meta package
[15:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: and generally it's a debian thing
[15:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: maybe I'm missing something, but everything that kde-workspace pull
[15:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: maybe I'm missing something, but everything that kde-workspace pull's in is already seeded ( need to check, but it seems that way )
[15:09] <shadeslayer> cmagina: leave it overnight
[15:10] <shadeslayer> that's what I did
[15:10] <cmagina> shadeslayer: done that before, but not with this most recent version
[15:10] <yofel> shadeslayer: if you're interested, kde-plasma-{desktop,netbook} depend on kde-workspace
[15:10] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[15:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/14/via-technologies-apc-8750-mobo-cpu-combo-on-sale-today/
[15:11] <yofel> shadeslayer: I don't know why we don't, but if it has no benefits, just leave it
[15:11] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:11] <cmagina> the problem seems to be that on boot it does a refresh of the index, causes lots of io on my system with tons of files
[15:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: I was just curious as to why the kubuntu-desktop task depends on it while the metapackage does not
[15:11] <shadeslayer> cmagina: uhh ... 0.o
[15:11] <yofel> ah, good question then
[15:11] <shadeslayer> I've never had that happen
[15:12] <yofel> I had that happen while I was still using a rotary HDD
[15:12] <yofel> made the desktop unresponsive for a minute
[15:12] <yofel> on every login
[15:12] <cmagina> it currently has 326,694 files in its index and is still going
[15:13] <cmagina> plasma takes about 20-30 seconds to start, and then its another 10 minutes for my disk to stop grinding
[15:13] <cmagina> software that gets started is responsive, kwin is responsive, just anything that has to access the disk is slow
[15:13] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:14] <shadeslayer> cmagina: how much memory did you allocate to virtuoso??
[15:14] <cmagina> default
[15:14] <cmagina> so, i think its what, 50m
[15:14] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:15] <cmagina> the other nasty part is the database is now 5G. thats a bit too big for my comfort. granted my 1.5TB drive doesn't care, but if it creates something like that on my laptop's 128G ssd's, that would be too big
[15:16] <cmagina> the memory leak is definitely gone though
[15:17] <cmagina> is there a nepomuk/akonadi channel?
[15:18] <yofel> there's definitely #akonadi, but I don't know where the nepomuk folks sit
[15:19] <shadeslayer> #nepomuk-kde
[15:19] <shadeslayer> that's where :)
[15:19] <yofel> #kontact would be another place for kdepim related akonadi talk
[15:19] <shadeslayer> for virtuoso issues, #openlink-virtuoso
[15:20] <cmagina> pretty sure these issues are all to do with the file indexer
[15:20] <shadeslayer> cmagina: yeah, there was a patch upstream for the mem leak, I backported it
[15:20] <shadeslayer> they usually are
[15:20] <cmagina> and i tested it :)
[15:20] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:20] <cmagina> thanks for that. i saw the patch hit the bug i was watching for it
[15:21] <shadeslayer> but I just left it running overnight to do it's thing, and it's not consuming alot of resources now
[15:21] <yofel> the BIG database file is related to strigi, it was 3G here before I deleted it and turned strigi off
[15:21] <cmagina> yeah, figured as much
[15:22] <yofel> oh fun, seems like they fixed ktimetracker upstream
[15:23] <cmagina> i'll see about posting/updating some bugs over on bugs.k.o on these issues (found one where it looks like the indexer never removes, always adds)
[15:27] <yofel> shadeslayer: hm, that VIA board is ARMv6 too :/
[15:27]  * yofel is still waiting for his raspi
[15:28] <shadeslayer> oh, you ordered a RasPi?
[15:28] <yofel> yep
[15:28] <shadeslayer> you can run KDE on that tiny amount of RAM :P
[15:28] <yofel> yay :D
[15:28] <shadeslayer> just disable nepomuk and akonadi
[15:28] <yofel> haha
[15:29] <shadeslayer> oh and word of advice, install the rootfs on a external HDD, or, get a class 10 SD Card
[15:29] <yofel> will do, need to get a new one though. All I have here is a spare 8GiB Class 4 one which won't work
[15:56] <Riddell> Mamarok: amarok homepage isn't updated for 2.6?
[15:56] <Riddell> maybe a Promote to Front Page tickbox needs ticked?
[15:56] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/amarok-26
[15:57] <Mamarok> Riddell: of course it is: http://amarok.kde.org
[15:57] <Riddell> Mamarok: top item is amarok 2.5 here
[15:57] <Riddell> Mamarok: try it without being logged in?
[15:57] <Mamarok> erase your cache
[15:58] <Mamarok> it is published with the promote to front page ticked
[15:58] <Riddell> w3m amarok.kde.org    shows amarok 2.5
[15:59] <Mamarok> Riddell: what browser do you use?
[15:59] <Mamarok> and it can't show amarok 2.5, that would have been 3 articles back
[15:59] <rdieter> Mamarok: I can confirm Riddell's experiences, i don't see any 2.6 reference on amarok.kde.org either, using any browser
[16:01] <Mamarok> try refreshing now
[16:01] <Mamarok> apparently the tick was set on the 2.5 article
[16:01] <Riddell> works now
[16:01] <rdieter> better
[16:01] <ScottK> Yes.  And it came in English instead of German this time too.  Double win.
[16:02] <Mamarok> sorry, I assumed that tick was removed long ago, as we had 2 other articles since
[16:17] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: I'm about to do a new release now (I've fixed your 2 issues and another TODO), can you confirm you still have the share printer error?
[16:30] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: let me see
[16:32] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: yep http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/printer.png
[16:33] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: which cups version?
[16:34] <Riddell> 1.6.1-0ubuntu2
[16:34] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: did you build with the CUPS_1_6 flag on?
[16:35] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: yes
[16:35] <dantti_laptop> and did you click system preferences  -> share printers connected to this system or on the checkbox bellow the printer name?
[16:36] <Riddell> system preferences  -> share printers connected to this system
[16:38] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: hmm that's odd it works on cups 1.6 at home, can you send your cups.conf file and the groups output so I can test at home?
[16:39] <dantti_laptop> hmm how odd, I just get this error with cups 1.5 :P
[16:39] <dantti_laptop> have tested that thing many times..
[16:40] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: how do you mean groups output?
[16:41] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: well depending on which group your user is your cups config might or might not work..
[16:41] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/cupsd.conf
[16:42] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/535010/
[16:45] <Riddell> hmm now my cups server has really broken and won't start
[16:45] <dantti_laptop> ok you are on lpadmin so you shouldn't have this kind of issue
[16:45] <dantti_laptop> won't start?
[16:48] <Riddell> seems there's something wrong with the latest cups in ubuntu, I upgraded another machine and it won't start there too
[17:02] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: ok, there was a part in the code that used was comparing the cups error string, but it is translated so it should work now, please test last git if you can
[17:03] <dantti_laptop> at least here I can't see that message anymore
[17:05] <Riddell> cloning...
[17:11] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: yay that fixed it :)
[17:12] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: cool, actually If the server takes too much time to restart you will still see that message so I'm fixing this issue in another place too :P
[17:15] <dantti_laptop> ok done, I'm going to prepare a new release now and do a review request :)
[19:23] <ScottK> claydoh: Can you work on 12.04.1 release notes?  It should be a matter of updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu to reflect stuff we've changed since the release.
[19:31] <ScottK> claydoh: You can ignore the common infrastructure bits.  Someone else will do that.
[19:31] <ScottK> apachelogger_: What releases are the fix you did for https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296944 in?
[19:41] <claydoh> ScottK: ok, will be a few days or so friday or later , any significant changes other than KDE version ?
[19:42] <ScottK> claydoh: Probably some bugs fixed.  I know the kmix one it.
[19:42] <shadeslayer> should be in 4.9.0
[19:43] <shadeslayer> because he fixed it 2 months ago
[20:54] <Riddell> ScottK: print-manager is in ~jr PPA for precise amd64
[20:55]  * ScottK has i386, so I'll wait.
[20:55] <Riddell> poor old i386 has taken many hours to compile and isn't at the top of the list yet
[20:55] <Riddell> estimated 1 hour
[21:00]  * Daskreech misses the update systray telling me how many updates I have
[22:55] <claydoh> I can't seem to get along with launchpad 0 how do 
[22:56] <claydoh> how do I search for kubuntu bugs properly? Specifically ones fixed foe 12.04.1?
[23:15] <gotwig> morning devs
[23:15] <gotwig> how can I register a translator account for kde?
[23:20] <d_ed> gotwig: you may want to also ask #kde-i18n
[23:20] <gotwig> thx
[23:20] <gotwig> good night :-)
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: click the update systray icon, and in Muon Update Manager go to Settings -> Notification Settings. there's a checkbox for that in there
[23:41] <Daskreech> Yeah I know now. I was going to say wonder if there could be a configuration for that. Then I decided to check....
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> :)
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> Hey, when I dumb down my software, I at least keep the options open to the power users :P
[23:42] <Daskreech> :-)
[23:43]  * jocarter hates the state of everything being dumbed down and more and more options being removed
[23:43] <jocarter> GRRRR
[23:43] <Daskreech> where is that happening?
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> well, I have a fairly good reason for this one at least... most people don't care about the number of packages being updated. I've seen people not want to update because the *number* of pacakges was too high, when it really wasn't more than 10 MiB of updates.
[23:45] <Daskreech> that would be me but then i read through the changelogs of all the packages
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> so by default the Muon Update Manager only expands the list of applications that have updates, and emphasises the total download size rather than number of packages
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> well, except in the case of security updates. it expands that list because it's important
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[23:46] <cmagina> i find the muon updater much better then the default ubuntu updater :)
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> <3
[23:47] <cmagina> very nice work
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> thank you
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> to change the subject completely, lol: http://r-wos.org/hacks/gti
[23:47] <cmagina> i've seen some really nice changes in the latest (quantal) software center too; show technical, etc. so thanks for those too :)
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> :)
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> it also won't boot you back to the main screen when it gets done commiting package changes. you can thank apol for that one
[23:49] <cmagina> awesome gti
[23:49] <cmagina> apoi_: thanks much for the "don't kick back to home" in muon 
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> that's not apol, he's not on right now. usually has either the apol or apol_ nick
[23:50] <cmagina> i've seen some fun aliasing in bash/zsh files to work around command typos
[23:50] <cmagina> ah, ok, i'll thank him next time i see him around
[23:51] <jocarter> lol, a mk1
[23:51] <cmagina> oh yeah, apoi...brain ignored the i
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> yeah I've done that too