/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/15/#ubuntu-uk.txt

=== Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte
=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away
AlanBellmorning all06:55
diploMorning all07:20
Azelphur:( ebuyer are now irritating me too, Buy a nexus 7 they said, free next day shipping they said...what they actually meant was £7.99 for two day shipping xG07:24
AzelphurXD07:24
DJonesIf you have android and you don't have flash player installed and are likely to ever want it in future, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/adobe_pull_android_flash_wendesday/07:27
Azelphuryay07:29
DJonesHas anybody come across a working way of having a google drive mounted as a folder yet in ubuntu, last time I looked the google-docs-fs seemed to have vanished/been disabled07:34
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)07:37
ali1234nice. well i guess it isn't same to write to NTFS any more with ubuntu07:43
ali1234anything you write just ends up in lost files07:44
brobostigongood morning everyone.08:24
czajkowskialoha08:27
brobostigonmorning czajkowski08:27
brobostigontoday is going to be interesting, humid, heavy winds, and heavy rain.08:28
christelPRETTIES <308:30
brobostigonmorning christel08:31
christelhelllooooo brobostigon and awesomekowski!08:32
bigcalmGood morning awake people :)08:33
brobostigonmorning bigcalm :)08:33
christel"awake"08:42
brobostigonjust about/08:44
diplo<-- Asleep if I'm honest!08:46
* diplo is not really functioning today08:46
brobostigonlast night, i actually got some sleep, first in weeks.08:46
bigcalmStarted the day with a shower. Feeling more awake than I usually do08:48
mungojerrystarted the day with half-hour of train delays and a packed train :(08:48
bigcalmWorking from home has it's perks :)08:49
mungojerryread a blog post about calligra author, looks interesting but seems to be vapourware atm?08:50
mungojerrystrange that the announcement was the start of a project but was worded like a first release08:51
mungojerryis this the ugliest app around? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-chUMkxEmTrc/UCkdrQd2VFI/AAAAAAAAAH8/er4ilQcyXoQ/s1600/amarok-2.6.0-screenie-take-1-orig.png08:52
christeli didnt go to bed all that late so i have no idea why i am so tired today08:54
ali1234it doesn't look any worse than other KDE app08:54
ali1234oxygen theme is really the only thing wrong with it08:55
MartijnVdS"Ooh there's some unused space. Let's add more bells and whistles!"08:55
popeykde still looks like a bad shareware app from the 80's08:56
ali1234have you guys used windows recently?08:56
ali1234it looks exactly like KDE08:56
ali1234everything has menus and tabs and ribbons08:56
ali1234and side panels08:56
mungojerrywindows 7 did look a lot like kde 408:57
ali1234windows just has a nicer theme... and nicer fonts08:57
ali1234and a slightly more sane taskbar08:57
mungojerrythe amarok screenshot is so cluttered and incongruous08:58
mungojerryit used to be a nice looking app in the 1.4 days08:58
ali1234that amarok screenshot is a massive improvement over what it used to look like08:58
mungojerryno way08:58
ali1234in like 2.008:58
mungojerryok08:58
mungojerry2.0 has loads of bare spare in weird places08:58
ali1234this is what 2.0 looked like: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/kdefail.png08:59
mungojerry2.6 is still an affront to my eyes08:59
ali1234they finally got the vertical text to be in the middle of the tabs08:59
Azelphurah, gotta love ebay09:18
Azelphurwhat you ordered: Item condition new, Galaxy S3 in perfect condition, comes with box, charger and earphones09:18
Azelphurwhat you got: galaxy S3 with scratches and holes punched in the casing, no earphones, no box, and screen lock still turned on.09:19
AzelphurLOL AND THE CHARGER IS BROKE09:19
MartijnVdSAzelphur: so.. file complaint with ebay/paypal, get money back09:20
Azelphuryea, I'm gonna09:20
Azelphurgonna message him first to see what he says09:21
mungojerrynot much he can say is there?09:22
mungojerryhe lied09:22
Azelphurye09:22
Azelphurp09:22
Azelphurhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221091503643&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123#ht_500wt_1415 is what I ordered xD09:22
Azelphurgonna snap some photos lol09:22
MartijnVdSAzelphur: exactly what I was going to suggest09:23
MartijnVdSAzelphur: ebay may ask for proofs09:23
Pendulummorning09:24
Azelphurphotos are uploading...09:26
DJonesAzelphur: Looks dodgy to start with "selling due to upgrade" :)09:27
Azelphurindeed xD09:27
Azelphurhttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/x1btb0c9w9futq4/3mEOQEpIEW photos09:32
Azelphurhttp://pastebin.com/TgqZi6U5 is what I'm thinking of sending to the seller, sound good?09:37
MartijnVdSThose holes.. did it drop off the back of a lorry or something?09:37
Azelphurgod knows man, seriously lol09:38
Azelphurthis has clearly taken a heavy beating09:38
MartijnVdSthe password suggests stolenness09:38
Azelphurespecially image 3 of 10, you can't see it properly in the photo but that hole goes right through to the inner casing09:38
AzelphurI thought that too, I should check the IMEI09:38
MartijnVdSAzelphur: next time, http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s3-blue ;)09:41
Azelphurhehe09:41
Azelphuronly £142 more XD09:42
Azelphuralso just what I always needed, norton!09:42
MartijnVdSjust sell a bitcoin 8-)09:42
Azelphurhaha09:42
Azelphurhmm, this thing has a password lock on it09:42
Laneyyeah, clearly nicked09:43
Azelphuroh that's good the IMEI is on the back09:43
MartijnVdSbehind the battery, usually09:43
Azelphuryea09:43
Azelphurthat's weird the IMEI has slashes in it and this site I'm using says it should only be numbers09:43
MartijnVdSAzelphur: sometimes they add dashes for readability09:44
Azelphurah09:44
Azelphurso just truncate the dashes09:44
MartijnVdSAzelphur: as long as you have the 15-16 digits you're good09:45
Azelphuryep, at least it doesn't appear to be stolen09:45
AzelphurMartijnVdS: there's a sticker on the inside behind the battery, small square, and it's got X's all over it, is that the water damage indicator telling me it's been water damaged?09:46
MartijnVdSAzelphur: no idea09:46
Azelphurto the internets09:46
Azelphurnope, that's not water damage, that's at least one point in it's favour09:47
mgdmthe water damage things are smalll cicles of paper with ink on the back09:47
mgdmif it gets wet, the ink goes through09:47
Azelphuryea09:47
Azelphurlol the inside of the phone is so dusty too09:47
Azelphurmessage sent09:54
jacobwmorning09:56
directhexlooks nicked to me09:56
directhexnicked but unreported?09:56
directhex"selling due to upgrade" - upgrade from sg3? to what, a bullion bar with an antenna in the top?09:57
mungojerryis there a password on the lock screen09:58
mungojerrylol, so he couldn't unlock it so sold it09:58
directhexer, you're not the only scamee.09:59
directhexhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221090440055#ht_500wt_1182 - negative feedback09:59
directhex"Acts like a scammer and doesn't deny it. Never do anything outside paypal."09:59
jacobwquick question, i'm working on a package that's >1GB unpacked, i don't want to repack it each time i change the DEBIAN/ files, i can't imagine the packagers unpack and repack large packages all the time10:00
directhexAzelphur, looks like a hacked ebay account. it's their first time selling ever, and it's a nicked mobile phone?10:00
gordjacobw: thus, foo and foo-data packages10:00
directhexjacobw, you don't change DEBIAN/10:01
Azelphurdirecthex: it's not nicked as far as I know10:01
mungojerrymy friend had his gmail hacked, and immediately they started buying of ebay10:01
directhexDEBIAN/ is machine generated from debian/ in the source package. if you're editing DEBIAN/ you're doing it wrong. also what gord said10:01
Azelphurdirecthex: yea, I noticed that, that feedback was placed after I bought it I guess10:01
Azelphurhe had 100% when I bought it10:01
directhexAzelphur, sure. but it *is* though. it's a nicked phone on a nicked account.10:02
Azelphurdirecthex: how do you know that?10:02
davmor2morning all10:02
davmor2czajkowski: prod10:02
jacobwdirecthex: that makes sense, however i'm not packaging for the debian project, i'm just packaging for my own repository10:02
czajkowskidavmor2: ello10:03
directhexjacobw, your call. you're just generating work for yourself is all.10:03
mgdmmorning campers10:03
jacobwdirecthex: mysql-cluster-server being dropped from precise is generating work for me ;)10:04
popeyhow is that 1GB!?10:04
directhexAzelphur, you think a user who's never sold anything on ebay before suddenly has two never-used brand-new galaxy s3's spare due to an upgrade, which are neither new nor unused, and sells them on ebay?10:04
Azelphurdirecthex: he had 100% (25) feedback, that's not nothing, admittedly not much10:05
jacobwpopey: oracle's package for squeeze (which only unpacks their binary distribution for squeeze to /opt) is statically built10:06
popeygolly10:06
directhexAzelphur, 25 positive feedback *as a buyer*10:06
Azelphurah10:06
jacobwi understand why it was dropped from precise, because the release from oracle wasn't ready in time and it was unclear what was going on at oracle10:07
Azelphurseller just got back to me, http://pastebin.com/rd92Cyfi10:07
directhexAzelphur, fingers crossed. still 101% super dodgy10:07
Azelphurindeed10:07
mungojerryit might be one s310:08
jacobwcan you bump your $overall_rating by buying from yourself and returning positive reviews?10:08
AlanBellthese accounts buy stuff from each other for 1p each10:08
popeysounds like bs10:08
mungojerryand the first attempt to sell failed10:08
directhexAzelphur, an any-condition sgs3 goes for £300 at fonebank.com, if he wanted to sell a knackered phone for lots of cash he could have done10:08
AlanBelljacobw: if you have multiple sock puppet accounts10:08
Azelphurdirecthex: *shrug*10:08
popeylooks like delaying tactics10:08
directhexAzelphur, you paid via paypal?10:09
Azelphurdirecthex: yup10:09
directhexwell, there's that at least, ifwhen he fails to give you a refund10:09
Azelphuryea10:09
AzelphurI've been told you can chargeback a direct debit?10:09
directhexchargeback against paypal? yikes, i wouldn't10:09
Azelphurapparently they just take it straight from the seller10:10
directhexpaypal dispute procedure is much less likely to result in lawyerage10:10
* Azelphur shrugs10:10
directhexebay is stacked against sellers these days. show good faith by waiting his little waiting period, then file a formal dispute via ebay10:11
directhexyou'll get your money back, and be wiser10:11
Azelphurguess so10:11
Azelphurit's tempting to try and scam him back, but probably not a wise move10:11
popey*boggle*10:12
directhexterrible move. you'll lose your money10:12
Azelphurindeed10:12
AzelphurI shall go the sane route and wait10:12
directhexplay by ebay's rules. they're brutally stacked against sellers.10:12
Azelphuryea10:12
Azelphurplus I got all this evidence, hard for him to really have a leg to stand on10:12
popeythe description doesn't say "original box"10:13
popeyit just says "box"10:13
directhexit does say new though.10:14
Azelphurpopey: hehe I noticed, but that doesn't change the new, perfect condition, earphones, etc10:14
directhexCondition:10:14
directhexNew: A brand-new, unused, unopened and undamaged item in original retail packaging (where packaging is applicable). If the item comes direct from a manufacturer, it may be delivered in non-retail packaging, such as a plain or unprinted box or plastic bag. See the seller's listing for full details.10:14
popeyahh10:14
* AlanBell wonders if the holes are because it was a working display unit in a store that got ripped off the fixture10:14
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directhexAlanBell, store display units are very VERY rarely real phones. they keep real phones behind the counter10:15
AzelphurI plugged the IMEI into a stolen phone finder, and into google and got nothing10:15
AlanBellI was in CPW farnham when two lads walked in an nicked an iphone10:15
Azelphurso if it has been stolen, nobody has bothered to register it10:15
directhexyeah, iphone is an exception, they have real display units. people are too reverential to damage them10:15
directhexseen the abuse all other display units get?10:16
AlanBellthey had a display stand with a working iphone on it, the little lad ripped it off and ran out with it the big guy walked out slowly making sure nobody followed10:16
directhexscum are scum, news at 1110:16
popeyi doubt the IMEI would show up online10:16
directhexAzelphur, plenty of idiots wouldn't think to report their phone nicked10:17
Azelphurtrue10:17
popeyand the networks aren't obliged to share that data10:17
directhexi don't know my imei, but wp7 has remote lock/wipe10:17
popeyyou could phone each uk network and tell them you bought a phone and ask if they supplied it :)10:18
popeythey dont have to tell you of course10:18
popeybut you could try10:18
Azelphurpopey: it's a 3 phone10:18
Azelphur(it's branded)10:18
popeythat makes things easier :)10:18
AzelphurI wonder if 3 would tell me if it was stolen if I called them10:18
directhexthey'd know who they sold the phone to, by imei10:18
* Azelphur shrugs10:18
Azelphuryea, I imagine a name wouldn't help me too much10:19
directhexstill, question remains r.e. dodgy description: what does one upgrade to from an sgs3?10:20
Azelphurdirecthex: some people like iphones xD10:20
DJonesAren't the operators required to block all reported stolen phones now by IMEI anyway, I thought that was brought in across Europe last year10:20
directhexyeah, i'm sure he paid for a retail sim-free iphone10:20
popeyheh, i did :)10:20
directhexweirdo10:20
directhexwhen you could buy a lumia 710 for a hundred quid10:21
popeystill no phones to match it :)10:21
Azelphurlol10:21
directhexwife is considering selling her htc sensation, and buying something on wp7. largely due to battery life. wp7 goes miles further on the same size battery10:21
MartijnVdSDJones: they do it in the UK, but in the Netherlands we don't have a stolen-SIM-register10:21
MartijnVdSdirecthex: because it can do less :P10:22
popeybecause it stays in your pocket?10:22
directhexpopey, she can burn through most of the battery in less than an hour of active use. i can use mine as an mp3 player for 4 hours, actively use it for browsing etc for 2 hours, and still have 60% battery10:23
popeygolly10:23
popeymy htc hero was a bit rubbish on battery10:23
AzelphurI never run out of battery on anything ever http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=17084689117910:24
MartijnVdSMy Galaxy Nexus can go for more than a day of moderate use10:24
MartijnVdSI _can_ burn the battery in a few hours if I want to.. but I don't want to :)10:24
Azelphurmy solution wins, game over :P10:24
directhexshe's also suffering from a horrid stuttering issue. frequently the ui just goes totally unresponsive, takes ~30 seconds to react to taps10:25
MartijnVdSAzelphur: you just buy a new phone every time the battery runs out? :P10:25
AzelphurMartijnVdS: hahaha10:25
AzelphurMartijnVdS: 15,000mAh portable battery, it can charge my laptop and phone multiple times10:26
Azelphurwell my old laptop anyway, it doesn't seem to be compatible with my new lenovo :<10:26
* TheOpenSourcerer finds the battery life on his S3 to be most excellent.10:26
* Azelphur shall try and hack it10:26
AzelphurTheOpenSourcerer: did you see my brand new perfect condition S3 photos? XD10:27
jussiTheOpenSourcerer: I agree, I find similar10:27
ormiretAzelphur: what kind of laptop did you have that 67Whr was enough to charge it multiple times?10:27
davmor2my s3 is much better now I have full charged it a few times10:27
Azelphurormiret: inspiron mini duo, I only got the battery recently, but it did a full charge on it and the battery still had >50% remaining10:28
directhexevery time i use an android phone, it's slow, unresponsive, and has crap battery. every time i moan about it, i'm told "oh, yeah, that happened on old phones. you need a new one, with moar cores and moar ram, it doesn't do that anymore"10:28
directhexand then i use a new one, with moar cores and moar ram. know what happens next?10:28
Azelphurit bursts into flames?10:28
directhexit's slow, unresponsive, and has crap battery. so i moan about it.10:28
TheOpenSourcererAzelphur: Nice. My S3 is in much better condition and I was one of the first to get one in the UK.10:28
directhexand i'm told "oh, yeah, that happened on old phones. you need a new one, with moar cores and moar ram, it doesn't do that anymore"10:28
* Laney is still on N900 yo10:29
Azelphurdirecthex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDsOtdRtG0Q&t=0m35s very slow phone here :p10:29
AzelphurTheOpenSourcerer: nice :)10:29
TheOpenSourcererAnd I still haven't got round to buying a case...10:30
Azelphurhehe10:30
directhexi loved the pre3, but it was soooooo buggy10:30
directhexi mean, crazy buggy10:30
directhexno idea how they shipped it so buggy10:30
TheOpenSourcererWebOS is/was quite a ncie GUI in concept.10:31
directhexworse than evolution in precise10:31
directhexi didn't like the n9 one bit10:32
directhexbetter than the n900, maybe even by a couple of orders of magnitude10:33
directhexin that it took me a week to decide "er, no" not 15 minutes10:33
directhexpre3 was <3, if not for the bugs.10:33
directhexe.g. memory leak. it never freed memory in apps you quit, so it needed rebooting frequently10:33
directhexactually i think it was file descriptors or mountpoints or something it leaked, not memory, but some finite resource was never freed10:34
directhexand the mp3 player paused every few songs. infuriating!10:34
directhexloved the hardware and the ui. loved them. so nice.10:34
directhexbattery life was on the short side, but better than htc sensation.10:35
directhexalso, very hackable. real linux.10:36
directhexwell..... real gnu. not "real linux". android kernel, since all embedded cpu devs these days only make android kernels10:36
brobostigoninteresting,10:37
Azelphurdirecthex: you know what I should do, ask for a partial refund (£100) and then sell it to that site you mentioned for a profit XD10:40
Azelphurif it goes to dispute resolution anyway10:40
AlanBellthen you get in trouble for selling a nicked phone10:41
Azelphurgood point, *avoids that too*10:41
jacobwi think you should restrict yourself to backtracking only :)10:42
Azelphurindeed10:42
Azelphurit's #androids fault, they keep suggesting I do bad things10:42
* Azelphur points10:42
jacobwhaven't you read 'do android dream of electric sheep'?, they're all out to get us :p10:43
Azelphurhaha10:43
mungojerryis the picture quality degraded if i use a vga-vga cable rather than hdmi-hdmi cable from laptop to 24 in ch monitor10:47
AlanBellyes10:48
gordtechnically yes, you won't notice the difference10:48
mungojerryeven if i'm working 1ft away?10:48
AlanBellyou will notice the difference if you are using it as a monitor for text and general computerish stuff10:48
mungojerrynot sure if it's the monitor or the cable10:48
AlanBellmovies you will get away with it10:48
mungojerrydoing text and close stuff10:49
gordeh what makes you think you'll notice the difference?10:49
mungojerryseems a bit dim and colours are a bit meh10:49
AlanBellbecause I notice the difference on my monitors between VGA and HDMI10:49
mungojerryeven thought i've played with the monitor settings10:49
gordi think you have a dodgy monitor then ;)10:49
mungojerrythe monitor only takes vga/dvi/dp10:49
mungojerryi have vga-vga or hdmi-hdmi10:49
AlanBellit might vary according to the quality of your VGA port (on the computer side mostly I expect)10:50
ormiretdepends on your general noise environment and the DAC + ADC for the analogue path and how well shielded the cable is etc. Generally better off sticking to digital formats.10:51
mungojerryok i just stole my colleagues hdmi-dvi cable and the difference is huge10:53
AlanBellyus, no need for gold plated connectors on digital formats ;)10:53
mungojerrythe text is now clear and the calrity and colours are better10:53
gordi think you guys just have badly calibrated monitors ;) the signals are comparible unless you are doing something horrible like interlacing10:54
popeyi have two monitors next to eachother driven from the same machine, one VGA, one DisplayPort, both are identical10:55
AlanBellthere is a teeny tiny bit of bleed between pixels which makes it less sharp for me with VGA10:55
mungojerrythe difference is very real here10:56
Azelphurpopey++, my 4 monitors, one of them is an E2607WS (with DVI) while the others are E2607WSV (VGA Only), and you cannot tell the difference at all side by side11:00
Azelphurand I used them for like 3 years, so any differences between them I would have most likely noticed11:01
AlanBellyeah, probably decent graphic cards do fine, this is a built in laptop port11:01
popeythis is built in laptop :)11:01
AlanBellyeah, but yours is a nice thinkpad and mine is a cheap Samsung (that I like very much)11:02
jacobwmungojerry: you can get cheap hdmi/dvi adapters11:02
mungojerryfor the time being i hope that my colleague will not notice ...it was dangling unused11:03
mungojerryanother strange effect is that swapping my wireless keyboard for a wired one has sped up my typing11:14
mungojerrydoes forwarding spam SMS to 7726 do anything?11:27
mungojerryapparently it reports it to your network provider11:27
mungojerryoutlook.com reports 4 messages in my inbox. only 2 there.11:30
popeyi have exactly two mails in my outlook.com inbox11:33
popey"Getting started with hotmail"11:34
popey"Get to know what's new in outlook"11:34
Azelphuryay for microsoft spam11:35
mungojerrypopey, almost the same, but it thinks theres 411:38
mungojerrydid you get popey@outlook11:38
popeynope11:39
mungojerrythats cos i got 5 aliases and nicked it :)11:39
mungojerry*may not be true11:39
popeyi dont plan on using it, so I don't care11:39
mungojerrynor me, but hey11:40
popeyjust looked in to see what the fuss was about11:40
mungojerryditto everybody else11:40
mungojerrythey don't do the dot thing11:40
mungojerryso mungojerry@  is different from mungo.jerry11:40
mungojerryto be fair, gmail is the only one i've seen do that11:41
popeyok, so now I do have popey@outlook.com11:41
mungojerry:D11:41
popey:)11:41
mungojerrybalance restored to universe11:41
popeyhah11:42
directhexi had 3700 new mail in my outlook account11:46
mungojerryconverted from hotmaail?11:46
directhexmostly spam from 2010 and earlier. hotmail antispam didn't work prior to then11:47
mungojerrywhich is why everyone moved to gmail in 200711:47
davmor2directhex: were 3000 of them Microsoft says I see you are using an incompatible operating system would you like to upgrade now, click link to install windows 7 now!11:48
mungojerrymmm scampi lemon nik naks11:48
directhexdavmor2, lots of reported posts from a forum i moderate11:49
* mungojerry finds an appriopriate tshirt http://www.threadless.com/product/2047/Alt_of_Ctrl/?j=1695468411:51
jacobwmungojerry: faster typing on a wired keyboard?11:54
mungojerryyeah, i think it's because the wireless one had lame amount of key depress11:55
mungojerryunsatisfying11:55
mungojerrybut from a human perspective it just felt more sluggish than the wired one11:55
mungojerryooh this looks cool, i wonder if i can get gnuplot to handle this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupper%27s_self-referential_formula11:55
jacobwcheck out usbcore.autosuspend settings, sometimes the autosuspend settings for a USB port are set to turn it off after something like 0.1s of inactivitz11:56
jacobwhttp://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_reduce_power_consumption#USB_Subsystem11:57
jacobwa value of -1 prevents autosuspending11:58
mungojerryjacobw, interesting. i think i'll stick with the nicer wired kb but i'll bear that in mind when i use a tv under the telly with wireless kb12:03
mungojerrywhat does  100.0%                      Device         Audio codec hwC0D0: Analog Devices mean in powertop?12:04
mungojerrythe other entries are 1us and stuff liek that12:05
MartijnVdSit means your sound device is eating battery12:09
mungojerryit's on my desktop, but could it cause slowness?12:10
mungojerrythis PC is allegedly faster than my previous work PC but is incredibly sluggish, especially at i/o12:11
MartijnVdScould be, but unlikely... I guess12:15
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mungojerrytoday is boring :(12:23
directhexset something on fire12:25
directhexinstant excitement12:25
mungojerryor instant excrement12:26
mungojerryowncloud is looking really decent nowadays12:26
directhexwow. £250 keyboard, for the Azelphurs of the world. http://www.cyborggaming.com/strike7/12:44
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mungojerrydon't think i've ever paid for a keyboard13:14
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LaneyDAS KEYBOARD13:30
mungojerryu1 are now doing referrals a la dropbox13:31
mungojerryhttp://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/2012/08/15/invite-your-friends-and-get-more-free-storage/13:32
MartijnVdSoooh13:38
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LaneyI was going to go to town and buy my new telly this afternoon13:45
Laneybut the rain is mental :(13:45
christelaww13:46
Laneymaybe I still will13:46
gordcrazy people who still go to shops to buy things13:46
Laneycan't beat a bit o'richer sounds13:47
directhexRS are usually no more expensive than the interwebs13:48
directhexfor decent brands13:48
directhexi think they even price match the internet, not that i've ever been able to call them on it13:49
directhexhttp://www.richersounds.com/information/pricebeat13:49
Laneytheir 5 year warranty is really rather cheap too13:49
Laneywhich is mainly how they'll get away with not price matching amazon here i suspect13:50
directhexpicking up something in person > waiting for a terrible courier like city link to put a "you were out" card through the door13:50
* Laney dons snorkel and braves the river that once was known as Queens Road13:53
MartijnVdSso.. Queens River?13:58
mungojerryi don't shop in richard sounds due to their offensive staff14:10
directhexoffensive?14:11
mungojerryi was in there an the bloke asked what stereo i had, then in his best pcworld eejit voice he said yeah i think my nans got that one14:11
mungojerryto be precise i just chose not to frequent their london bridge store due to that kind of snobby attitude14:12
czajkowskihttp://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/launchpad-downtime-august-16th  FYI folks14:12
mungojerrya bit like when the boys in currys talking about linux users not having girlfriends right next to me after i asked for the eee pc running linux14:13
mungojerryanyone running debian? does it have ubuntu one?14:22
SuperMattok, just noticed something that has to change in quantal. If you hover your mouse over the dash button, it says "Dash Home" which seems more like an instruction rather than what it does.14:23
mungojerry:D14:23
mungojerryyabba dabbo dooo!14:23
SuperMattas instructions go, it's a pretty good instruction, but it's not what I want to do14:23
jacobwmungojerry: it doesn't14:25
mungojerryi was wondering what this bug is sying http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=59414314:26
lubotu3Debian bug 594143 in wnpp "ITP: ubuntu-sso-client -- Ubuntu Single Sign-On client" [Wishlist,Fixed]14:26
mungojerryi think that was the dependency for u1 in debian14:26
bittinmight go to UK in november or december15:02
gordbring a coat15:07
gordand a brolly15:07
popeyand a shovel15:08
gordfor our winter hibernation we have to build underground tunnels and houses like the wombles, so if you want to say hello you'll need to dig down15:09
popeypfft, schoolboy error digging straight down15:11
popeyeveryone knows that15:11
gordmight fall into lava?15:14
mungojerryOH:"a straw man is better than none"15:15
popeyexactly15:16
MartijnVdSnice: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1149013/15:36
bittin=D15:37
bittingoing with Norwegian some random strange girl from the internets wanted to meet me :D15:38
MartijnVdSbittin: probably a 40-year old man15:38
jacobwchristel?15:38
bittinMartijnVdS, who knows :D15:38
bittinjacobw, no some Anna15:38
MartijnVdSbittin: Boten Anna?15:38
bittinif not i guess i can hang around with some irc people :p15:38
bittinMartijnVdS, nope15:38
MartijnVdSbittin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYQUsp-jxDQ15:38
bittinBoten Anna is a swedish thing15:38
jacobwchristel is a norwegian member of this channel :)15:38
bittinMartijnVdS, i live in .SE i have heard that thingie before :D15:38
MartijnVdSjacobw: s/a/the token// :P15:39
bittinand MartijnVdS here is a better version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHWlzOBSmh015:39
bittinall shitty songs gets better on MOS658115:39
bittinMOS SID 6581 even15:39
MartijnVdSMOS EISLEY15:40
bittinbut well i have 4-5 friends in UK15:40
bittini guess i can find somewhere to sleep if in trouble :D15:40
MartijnVdS.. if you can get to them in time :P15:40
bittinand if i go in Novembers its after my birthday and guess i will atleast get some money then15:40
bittin*November15:41
jacobwjust find a bar that's open til 4am or something, and start your day early15:41
bittinthink i will just stay in 1 weeks15:41
bittinjacobw, =D don't think i feel great doing that a whole week15:41
MartijnVdSHotels are supposed to be cheap now/soon15:43
bittinah well if i book now for November :D15:43
bittini think they are pretty cheap15:43
MartijnVdSwow15:49
MartijnVdSChrome eats 400% CPU, until I go to youtube.. then it drops to 30%15:49
MartijnVdSwut15:50
bittinmy friend is not moving to UK until Oct anyways15:50
bittinnow she lives in CZ15:50
MartijnVdSstrange people, moving around :)15:50
GirlyGirlHi, what do you guys expect the resale value of a 2010 corolla axio trd to be?15:53
bittini only know strange people :(15:54
popeyGirlyGirl, I'd look in autotrader15:55
popeysee what comparable models go for15:55
gordpopey: any idea what package is supposed to provide the org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences gsettings schema?15:56
GirlyGirlIt has scratches on one door, damage to front and rear bumpers, denting on hood and a boot that doesn't always close so that would lower the value I guess15:57
popeygord, not off the top of my head15:57
GirlyGirlBlame the ex-owner for the scratch, me for the front damage and my sister for the rear damage lol15:58
gordgrumble15:58
bittinyou drive on the wrong side of the road there anyways :(15:59
popeys/wrong/left/15:59
bittinmust try to not forgot that when going there15:59
MartijnVdSyeah.. I want to go practice driving on the left15:59
GirlyGirlbittin: Why would I drive on the wrong side?15:59
MartijnVdS_before_ driving all the way to Cornwall in May :)16:00
bittinGirlyGirl, iam in sweden and here we drive on right side :D16:00
MartijnVdSso I might take a boat around Decemberish16:00
bittinbut i don't even have a drivers license16:00
MartijnVdSbittin: you used to drive on the wrong side thoguh16:00
bittinyepp16:00
bittinbut we stopped 196716:01
bittinyears before i was born16:01
GirlyGirlI'm still deciding different things here 1) Sell it as it is 2)Repair and sell 3) Cut the bumper with a saw and keep using it16:04
MartijnVdSit's 2 years old.. wouldn't repair be worth it?16:05
GirlyGirlMartijnVdS: You don't get parts as its not sold here ... only in Japan16:05
MartijnVdSGirlyGirl: you don't need to, the repair people get the parts ;)16:06
GirlyGirlMartijnVdS: I know but its too expensive16:06
GirlyGirlbecause they need to get the parts16:06
MartijnVdSGirlyGirl: how are the parts only available in Japan? Was the car specially imported?16:07
MartijnVdSBecause if the model was sold "normally" the parts should be available "normally"16:07
GirlyGirlMartijnVdS: Its a second hand import16:08
GirlyGirlSince the model is not sold here new, Toyota UK dealers refuse to service it16:08
GirlyGirlbesides its functional and the damage doesn't bother me that much .. just that the bumper touches the tyre16:09
MartijnVdSwhat was the model again?16:09
GirlyGirlCorolla Axio TRD16:09
MartijnVdSI'd shop around for what people are willing to buy it for16:10
GirlyGirlBut I'm unlikely to get a replacement car for the money it sells16:11
MartijnVdSbut that depends on your situation really -- would selling it (and buying a new one) be cheaper than repair16:11
GirlyGirlThats why I thing I'll use it with the damage ... definitely the cheapest16:11
MartijnVdSOpen a savings account somewhere for the repair ;)16:12
* MartijnVdS 's SMART needed a spring replaced last month.. and tyres.. and some other small things16:13
GirlyGirlWell I did repair the front once and it was expensive, then I felt like I wasted money when the same place got damaged again16:14
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MartijnVdSGirlyGirl: Keep it in mind when buying your next car ;)16:15
GirlyGirlMartijnVdS: How would keeping that in mind help?16:16
MartijnVdSby buying a car that's built more like a tank than this one, with readily available parts ;)16:16
* MartijnVdS afk for a run16:17
* brobostigon would so love a "handy2 mobile, equal to his nexus7, would rock.16:17
* GirlyGirl should buy a tank16:17
brobostigon"handy"*16:17
brobostigonmobile*16:19
brobostigonoddity, the german word for mobile phone, colloquely, is 'handy' . very weird.16:20
brobostigonslang*16:21
jacobwbrobostigon: i know, i live here/there, i find it odd16:26
brobostigonjacobw: very odd, yes.16:26
popeywoah, my virgin superhub admin tool has changed16:34
Dave2for some reason I parsed that as being a nonsensical statement from a bMotion.16:38
bittinhaha all girls in this movie is trying to pickup the math teacher :D16:53
MartijnVdSbittin: Revenge of the Nerds?16:55
bittinMartijnVdS, nope LOL :D16:55
bittinhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt1592873/16:55
bittinRevenge of the nerds is actully good :D16:55
davmor2popey: since I turned mine to modem only mode I haven't looked at it :D17:14
popeywhat do you use behind it davmor2 ?17:16
davmor2popey: my old router it was the only way I could make a connection last longer than an hour17:17
popeyhmm, i may do same17:17
popeyi have two networks here at the moment17:17
popeywhich is a mess17:18
davmor2popey: the only issue I have now is every now and again the memory on my old cheapo router gets full so I have to switch it off and on again :)  plug your router into the socket nearest the coax cable17:21
popeyhttp://techcrunch.com/2012/08/15/people-still-believe-in-nokia/17:28
popeyfirst comment...17:28
popey"Yes! Love my Lumia, best phone I've ever had!"17:28
MartijnVdSpopey: people believe in lots of things that aren't real17:28
popey"Marcos Pinedo · Regional Director, Developer & Platform - South East Asia at Microsoft"17:28
mgdmthere's a couple of WP7 fanbois in this offic17:28
MartijnVdSWordPerfect 7?17:30
bittinWindos Phone 717:31
jacobwandroid ftw17:52
popeyiOS ftw! :D17:58
davmor2popey: surely you mean Ubuntu Phone FTW! right :)18:03
popeyif it existed, yeah18:03
davmor2popey: what's wrong with just going with the concept till it does :)18:04
popeynon-existent products are hard to make phone calls on18:04
davmor2popey: Your just creating flaws in the perfect solution :D18:06
popeyindeed18:06
ali1234how much do yo reeeeeaaaaally use those smartphone  features?18:08
ali1234i mean smartphones are nice and all that. the idea of having one anyway18:08
ali1234but when i got one i never used it18:08
MartijnVdSwas this back in the '00s, when a Nokia 3650 was considered a "smart phone"?18:10
ali1234no18:10
ali1234the first smartphone i had was a windows mobile18:11
popeyi use mine near constantly18:12
MartijnVdSI use mine as podcast/spotify player18:13
MartijnVdSoh and calendar thingy18:13
MartijnVdSand ♥ Google Now18:13
ali1234for me the killer app is photo shync with g+ and u118:15
ali1234and maps18:15
MartijnVdSg+ photo sync yes, that too18:15
ali1234because i go everywhere on foot18:15
MartijnVdSI've actually used turn-by-turn navigation while walking18:15
MartijnVdS"Turn left here"18:15
MartijnVdSit's a bit weird (it's late when saying the street names you turn into, imho), but it works :)18:16
ali1234that's because it expects you to move faster18:19
* jacobw wonders if that's a joke or not18:23
ali1234ok, i am not happy18:33
ali1234ubuntu has totally corrupted this ntfs filesystem18:33
ali1234files are randomly showing up as 0 bytes and it's bluescreening and freezing like crazy18:33
ali1234now i've got to do a factory restore18:34
popeynice18:38
ali1234i can't report a bug because the wireless doesn't work, i can't report that bug either18:39
popeyno wired?18:40
ali1234if you ever have a lenovo ideapad u410, do not attempt to use 12.04 with it18:40
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popeyali1234, http://askubuntu.com/questions/125529/wireless-doesnt-work-on-a-broadcom-bcm4312/126798#12679818:41
popey?18:41
ali1234no, that isn't the problem18:42
bigcalmHumble Indy Bundle for Android 3 nabbed \o/18:42
MartijnVdSspacechem \o/18:42
ali1234th wireless is detected, it sees my network and connects to it18:42
ali1234but as soon as i send a packet it drops the connection and endlessly asks for password18:42
ali1234it does that thing where it opens endless password dialogues18:43
ali1234so if you walk away and come back there's like 50 of them18:43
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ali1234i hope this recovery system actually formats the drive18:43
ali1234because there's serious FS corruption18:43
ali1234it's called "onekey recovery" which sounds just a little bit too much like "wonkey"18:44
MartijnVdSmonkey recovery18:44
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jacobwali1234: onecare sound worse in certain acents19:05
MartijnVdSjacobw: Northern ones, mostly19:05
jacobw:)19:05
ali1234does ntfs have "formatted date"?19:07
ali1234yes, http://superuser.com/questions/377339/is-it-possible-to-determine-when-a-ntfs-partition-was-created19:08
ali1234hmm i think the fs corruption is caused because this system has a hybrid SSD/HD19:12
ali1234in a software raid19:12
ali1234something weird like that anyway19:13
jacobwin the same raid?19:13
ali1234dunno19:13
ali1234i have no idea how it works19:13
jacobwthat sounds scary19:13
ali1234yeah, well, OEM pcs usually are19:14
ali1234this is why i only buy second hand old stuff19:14
popeysounds plausible19:16
ali1234this system has UEFI as well19:17
ali1234no windows 8 though, it's disabled19:17
ali1234security that is19:17
ali1234you can enable it though i suppose19:17
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directhexanother LCD-equipped keyboard. http://kotaku.com/5935044/razer-making-non+star-wars-version-of-its-fancy-star-wars-keyboard-and-the-lcd-panel-may-actually-be-useful-this-time20:12
bittinis it true stores are closed in UK when its winter?20:35
jacobwno20:36
bittinokay20:36
AlanBellyes, we all hibernate from November to February20:36
jacobwthe economy doesn't hibernate20:36
jacobwdespite george osbourne's claims to the contrary20:37
bittinsomone said you could not get any food in UK if you go there in November20:37
jacobwthat would imply a famine ;)20:37
AlanBellsomeone has been teasing you20:37
bittinAlanBell, ah good =)20:37
dogmatic69o/20:38
* dogmatic69 has a little daughter now \o/20:38
bittino/20:38
jacobw\o/20:38
AlanBellyay dogmatic69 \o/20:38
dogmatic696lb 0.5oz20:38
dogmatic69tiny20:39
dogmatic692.7kg for those using a decent measurement system :P20:39
mgdmdogmatic69: congrats to you all :)20:40
dogmatic69tx20:40
zleapdogmatic69, congrats20:48
zleapdogmatic69, v2.0 :D20:48
dogmatic69hehe20:48
dogmatic69thanks20:48
zleapnp20:48
Pendulumdogmatic69: congrats!20:52
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dogmatic69tx Pendulum20:53
bittinis any fun geekywise happening in UK end of November?20:54
zleapbittin, what part of the UK u in ?20:54
bittinzleap, going to London20:54
zleapok20:54
bittinnow iam in .SE :p20:54
zleapnot sure,  I am in Devon20:54
Pendulumbittin: poke AlanBell. He seems to be the social organiser for that part of the country20:55
bittinwas planning to go US for vacation but seems UK was far more better20:55
zleaphttp://www.linux-magazine.com/Resources/Event-Calendar20:55
zleapevent calander,  does look like much is happening in London but only scanned through it20:56
* AlanBell looks up from the beer20:56
bittinnow when BLIP Festival got canceled and i remember i knowed more people in UK20:56
AlanBellLondon end of November, OK can do20:56
bittinAlanBell, yeah can i do anything fun then :p20:56
bittinif my friends are boring :D20:56
AlanBellbring friends!20:57
* AlanBell decides to organise some eventy stuff20:57
bittin:D20:57
zleapsounds a good plan20:57
bittiniam about to meet this random 18 year old girl from the internet :p20:58
zleapok20:58
bittinbut if she fails me i got some geeky friends that i know that works at Verizon :p20:58
bittinbut they live in nottingham20:58
bittinthat i actully meet before20:58
* AlanBell wonders if fossdem is a good thing to go to21:08
bittinAlanBell, i heard its cool21:09
bittinbut never been there21:09
bittinonly opensource con i been to is FScons :p21:09
AlanBellczajkowski is very keen on fossdem21:09
christelfosdem is <321:10
czajkowskiFOSDEM rocks21:11
christeldogmatic69: congrats :)21:12
christelAlanBell: how many eventy things have you organised now? :P21:26
AlanBellnone21:26
* AlanBell ponders and prevaricates21:26
christeli need a happy hour when i return to england (and another jam!) and we need one when bigcalm is down in september21:26
christeland we need a launch party in october i suspect21:26
christeland a swedish party for bittin in november21:26
AlanBelland something in November21:27
AlanBellsauna party \o/21:27
christel(which could double as a fancy dress party!)21:27
christelooh yes, sauna party! :D21:27
christeland of course CHRISTMAS PARTY21:27
christel:D21:27
bittin:D21:27
bittinah well not sure if i go 1 weekend or 1-2 weeks21:27
christelwe can do a 2 week party!21:27
bittindepends on if i find somewhere to sleep21:28
bittinsomone can buy this then: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/555281510/drunk-quest21:28
bittin:D21:28
christeloh my! a drinking game21:28
christeli am in!21:28
bittinsaw it in another irc channel seems fun21:29
bittinbut i should sleep now, cya later :)21:29
christelgod natt bittin!21:30
christelsov gott!21:30
bittindetsamma21:30
bittinhej så länge :p21:30
christeltack! hej hej \o21:30
* bigcalm peeks in due to being mentioned and thus emailed21:30
bigcalm(Only happens when I'm disconnected from my proxy)21:31
Pendulumbigcalm: christel is listing all the reasons for events that need to happen in the next few months21:32
christel:D21:32
christelof which you are one21:32
christel(a reason that is)21:32
bigcalmAll of the reasons for beer?21:33
bigcalmHehe21:33
bigcalmI can be an event if you like :P21:33
christeloh you are such an event ;)21:34
* bigcalm has been on the Belgian beers again :D21:35
christel<3 belgian beer21:35
bigcalmQuite weak though at only 6.3%21:35
christelfittingly i think my favourite is delirium tremens :)21:35
dogmatic69thanks christel21:35
bigcalmSo, have we agreed upon any September events yet? ;)21:36
bigcalm(selfish reasons)21:37
christelno :(21:37
AlanBellbigcalm: what date?21:37
bigcalmBoo21:37
christelhe keeps slacking21:37
bigcalmAlanBell: I'm in Farnham 20th to 23rd21:37
christeli don't know why we pay him the big bucks21:37
* AlanBell wonders what hotel bigcalm is staying in21:37
bigcalmHaha :P21:37
bigcalmAlanBell: your mind is full of smut. It will do you no good!21:38
christelAlanBell: bigcalm is starting a band21:40
bigcalmLOL21:40
christelit is called "Iain and the love swings"21:40
* bigcalm shakes his head :P21:40
AlanBellso, October 18th is the release date for Quetzal, we should do a party thing then21:40
* brobostigon yawns, he had 4 hours sleep last night.21:40
bigcalmGoodness, 12.10 is so close already21:42
christelAlanBell: yes!21:42
czajkowskichristel: coming to skycon :)21:45
czajkowskia weekend in limerick21:45
czajkowskiand listening to mr. xkcd :D21:45
christeloh yes! what's the dates for that again21:46
christel(alanbell you should also go to limerick for skycon)21:46
czajkowski6/7 oct21:46
bigcalmRandal will be there?!21:47
* bigcalm is jelly21:47
christelthat works!21:47
czajkowskiyup21:47
czajkowskias will UUPC :)21:47
czajkowskiand sabdfl21:47
czajkowskihttp://skycon.skynet.ie/2012/21:48
bigcalmI fear that Oggcamp and whatever happen in September will be my last bit of fun for the year :|21:48
bigcalmGoing places is getting expensive21:49
christelLAST BIT OF FUN? gosh you sound like you're about to get married or something...21:51
christeloh wait, you are21:51
bigcalmNext year. I hope we have spare monies21:52
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bigcalmSleepy time!22:15
bigcalmGood night peeps :)22:15
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sebsebsebhi22:27
sebsebsebanyone about?22:27
christelthey all just snuck off to bed22:34
sebsebsebchristel: we haven't22:34
christeltrue! the rest just have no staying power22:34
sebsebsebDay people! heh heh22:34
sebsebsebnearly mid night is seen as late22:35
sebsebsebchristel: and since your an hour a head at the moment, nearly 1am, is seen like what you still doing awake?  unless with a proper enough reason22:35
christelmmm i am just about to sneak off to bed :)22:36
sebsebsebchristel: oh ok22:38

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