=== Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [06:55] morning all [07:20] Morning all [07:24] :( ebuyer are now irritating me too, Buy a nexus 7 they said, free next day shipping they said...what they actually meant was £7.99 for two day shipping xG [07:24] XD [07:27] If you have android and you don't have flash player installed and are likely to ever want it in future, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/adobe_pull_android_flash_wendesday/ [07:29] yay [07:34] Has anybody come across a working way of having a google drive mounted as a folder yet in ubuntu, last time I looked the google-docs-fs seemed to have vanished/been disabled [07:37] Good morning peeps :) [07:43] nice. well i guess it isn't same to write to NTFS any more with ubuntu [07:44] anything you write just ends up in lost files [08:24] good morning everyone. [08:27] aloha [08:27] morning czajkowski [08:28] today is going to be interesting, humid, heavy winds, and heavy rain. [08:30] PRETTIES <3 [08:31] morning christel [08:32] helllooooo brobostigon and awesomekowski! [08:33] Good morning awake people :) [08:33] morning bigcalm :) [08:42] "awake" [08:44] just about/ [08:46] <-- Asleep if I'm honest! [08:46] * diplo is not really functioning today [08:46] last night, i actually got some sleep, first in weeks. [08:48] Started the day with a shower. Feeling more awake than I usually do [08:48] started the day with half-hour of train delays and a packed train :( [08:49] Working from home has it's perks :) [08:50] read a blog post about calligra author, looks interesting but seems to be vapourware atm? [08:51] strange that the announcement was the start of a project but was worded like a first release [08:52] is this the ugliest app around? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-chUMkxEmTrc/UCkdrQd2VFI/AAAAAAAAAH8/er4ilQcyXoQ/s1600/amarok-2.6.0-screenie-take-1-orig.png [08:54] i didnt go to bed all that late so i have no idea why i am so tired today [08:54] it doesn't look any worse than other KDE app [08:55] oxygen theme is really the only thing wrong with it [08:55] "Ooh there's some unused space. Let's add more bells and whistles!" [08:56] kde still looks like a bad shareware app from the 80's [08:56] have you guys used windows recently? [08:56] it looks exactly like KDE [08:56] everything has menus and tabs and ribbons [08:56] and side panels [08:57] windows 7 did look a lot like kde 4 [08:57] windows just has a nicer theme... and nicer fonts [08:57] and a slightly more sane taskbar [08:58] the amarok screenshot is so cluttered and incongruous [08:58] it used to be a nice looking app in the 1.4 days [08:58] that amarok screenshot is a massive improvement over what it used to look like [08:58] no way [08:58] in like 2.0 [08:58] ok [08:58] 2.0 has loads of bare spare in weird places [08:59] this is what 2.0 looked like: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/kdefail.png [08:59] 2.6 is still an affront to my eyes [08:59] they finally got the vertical text to be in the middle of the tabs [09:18] ah, gotta love ebay [09:18] what you ordered: Item condition new, Galaxy S3 in perfect condition, comes with box, charger and earphones [09:19] what you got: galaxy S3 with scratches and holes punched in the casing, no earphones, no box, and screen lock still turned on. [09:19] LOL AND THE CHARGER IS BROKE [09:20] Azelphur: so.. file complaint with ebay/paypal, get money back [09:20] yea, I'm gonna [09:21] gonna message him first to see what he says [09:22] not much he can say is there? [09:22] he lied [09:22] ye [09:22] p [09:22] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221091503643&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123#ht_500wt_1415 is what I ordered xD [09:22] gonna snap some photos lol [09:23] Azelphur: exactly what I was going to suggest [09:23] Azelphur: ebay may ask for proofs [09:24] morning [09:26] photos are uploading... [09:27] Azelphur: Looks dodgy to start with "selling due to upgrade" :) [09:27] indeed xD [09:32] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x1btb0c9w9futq4/3mEOQEpIEW photos [09:37] http://pastebin.com/TgqZi6U5 is what I'm thinking of sending to the seller, sound good? [09:37] Those holes.. did it drop off the back of a lorry or something? [09:38] god knows man, seriously lol [09:38] this has clearly taken a heavy beating [09:38] the password suggests stolenness [09:38] especially image 3 of 10, you can't see it properly in the photo but that hole goes right through to the inner casing [09:38] I thought that too, I should check the IMEI [09:41] Azelphur: next time, http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s3-blue ;) [09:41] hehe [09:42] only £142 more XD [09:42] also just what I always needed, norton! [09:42] just sell a bitcoin 8-) [09:42] haha [09:42] hmm, this thing has a password lock on it [09:43] yeah, clearly nicked [09:43] oh that's good the IMEI is on the back [09:43] behind the battery, usually [09:43] yea [09:43] that's weird the IMEI has slashes in it and this site I'm using says it should only be numbers [09:44] Azelphur: sometimes they add dashes for readability [09:44] ah [09:44] so just truncate the dashes [09:45] Azelphur: as long as you have the 15-16 digits you're good [09:45] yep, at least it doesn't appear to be stolen [09:46] MartijnVdS: there's a sticker on the inside behind the battery, small square, and it's got X's all over it, is that the water damage indicator telling me it's been water damaged? [09:46] Azelphur: no idea [09:46] to the internets [09:47] nope, that's not water damage, that's at least one point in it's favour [09:47] the water damage things are smalll cicles of paper with ink on the back [09:47] if it gets wet, the ink goes through [09:47] yea [09:47] lol the inside of the phone is so dusty too [09:54] message sent [09:56] morning [09:56] looks nicked to me [09:56] nicked but unreported? [09:57] "selling due to upgrade" - upgrade from sg3? to what, a bullion bar with an antenna in the top? [09:58] is there a password on the lock screen [09:58] lol, so he couldn't unlock it so sold it [09:59] er, you're not the only scamee. [09:59] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221090440055#ht_500wt_1182 - negative feedback [09:59] "Acts like a scammer and doesn't deny it. Never do anything outside paypal." [10:00] quick question, i'm working on a package that's >1GB unpacked, i don't want to repack it each time i change the DEBIAN/ files, i can't imagine the packagers unpack and repack large packages all the time [10:00] Azelphur, looks like a hacked ebay account. it's their first time selling ever, and it's a nicked mobile phone? [10:00] jacobw: thus, foo and foo-data packages [10:01] jacobw, you don't change DEBIAN/ [10:01] directhex: it's not nicked as far as I know [10:01] my friend had his gmail hacked, and immediately they started buying of ebay [10:01] DEBIAN/ is machine generated from debian/ in the source package. if you're editing DEBIAN/ you're doing it wrong. also what gord said [10:01] directhex: yea, I noticed that, that feedback was placed after I bought it I guess [10:01] he had 100% when I bought it [10:02] Azelphur, sure. but it *is* though. it's a nicked phone on a nicked account. [10:02] directhex: how do you know that? [10:02] morning all [10:02] czajkowski: prod [10:02] directhex: that makes sense, however i'm not packaging for the debian project, i'm just packaging for my own repository [10:03] davmor2: ello [10:03] jacobw, your call. you're just generating work for yourself is all. [10:03] morning campers [10:04] directhex: mysql-cluster-server being dropped from precise is generating work for me ;) [10:04] how is that 1GB!? [10:04] Azelphur, you think a user who's never sold anything on ebay before suddenly has two never-used brand-new galaxy s3's spare due to an upgrade, which are neither new nor unused, and sells them on ebay? [10:05] directhex: he had 100% (25) feedback, that's not nothing, admittedly not much [10:06] popey: oracle's package for squeeze (which only unpacks their binary distribution for squeeze to /opt) is statically built [10:06] golly [10:06] Azelphur, 25 positive feedback *as a buyer* [10:06] ah [10:07] i understand why it was dropped from precise, because the release from oracle wasn't ready in time and it was unclear what was going on at oracle [10:07] seller just got back to me, http://pastebin.com/rd92Cyfi [10:07] Azelphur, fingers crossed. still 101% super dodgy [10:07] indeed [10:08] it might be one s3 [10:08] can you bump your $overall_rating by buying from yourself and returning positive reviews? [10:08] these accounts buy stuff from each other for 1p each [10:08] sounds like bs [10:08] and the first attempt to sell failed [10:08] Azelphur, an any-condition sgs3 goes for £300 at fonebank.com, if he wanted to sell a knackered phone for lots of cash he could have done [10:08] jacobw: if you have multiple sock puppet accounts [10:08] directhex: *shrug* [10:08] looks like delaying tactics [10:09] Azelphur, you paid via paypal? [10:09] directhex: yup [10:09] well, there's that at least, ifwhen he fails to give you a refund [10:09] yea [10:09] I've been told you can chargeback a direct debit? [10:09] chargeback against paypal? yikes, i wouldn't [10:10] apparently they just take it straight from the seller [10:10] paypal dispute procedure is much less likely to result in lawyerage [10:10] * Azelphur shrugs [10:11] ebay is stacked against sellers these days. show good faith by waiting his little waiting period, then file a formal dispute via ebay [10:11] you'll get your money back, and be wiser [10:11] guess so [10:11] it's tempting to try and scam him back, but probably not a wise move [10:12] *boggle* [10:12] terrible move. you'll lose your money [10:12] indeed [10:12] I shall go the sane route and wait [10:12] play by ebay's rules. they're brutally stacked against sellers. [10:12] yea [10:12] plus I got all this evidence, hard for him to really have a leg to stand on [10:13] the description doesn't say "original box" [10:13] it just says "box" [10:14] it does say new though. [10:14] popey: hehe I noticed, but that doesn't change the new, perfect condition, earphones, etc [10:14] Condition: [10:14] New: A brand-new, unused, unopened and undamaged item in original retail packaging (where packaging is applicable). If the item comes direct from a manufacturer, it may be delivered in non-retail packaging, such as a plain or unprinted box or plastic bag. See the seller's listing for full details. [10:14] ahh [10:14] * AlanBell wonders if the holes are because it was a working display unit in a store that got ripped off the fixture === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:15] AlanBell, store display units are very VERY rarely real phones. they keep real phones behind the counter [10:15] I plugged the IMEI into a stolen phone finder, and into google and got nothing [10:15] I was in CPW farnham when two lads walked in an nicked an iphone [10:15] so if it has been stolen, nobody has bothered to register it [10:15] yeah, iphone is an exception, they have real display units. people are too reverential to damage them [10:16] seen the abuse all other display units get? [10:16] they had a display stand with a working iphone on it, the little lad ripped it off and ran out with it the big guy walked out slowly making sure nobody followed [10:16] scum are scum, news at 11 [10:16] i doubt the IMEI would show up online [10:17] Azelphur, plenty of idiots wouldn't think to report their phone nicked [10:17] true [10:17] and the networks aren't obliged to share that data [10:17] i don't know my imei, but wp7 has remote lock/wipe [10:18] you could phone each uk network and tell them you bought a phone and ask if they supplied it :) [10:18] they dont have to tell you of course [10:18] but you could try [10:18] popey: it's a 3 phone [10:18] (it's branded) [10:18] that makes things easier :) [10:18] I wonder if 3 would tell me if it was stolen if I called them [10:18] they'd know who they sold the phone to, by imei [10:18] * Azelphur shrugs [10:19] yea, I imagine a name wouldn't help me too much [10:20] still, question remains r.e. dodgy description: what does one upgrade to from an sgs3? [10:20] directhex: some people like iphones xD [10:20] Aren't the operators required to block all reported stolen phones now by IMEI anyway, I thought that was brought in across Europe last year [10:20] yeah, i'm sure he paid for a retail sim-free iphone [10:20] heh, i did :) [10:20] weirdo [10:21] when you could buy a lumia 710 for a hundred quid [10:21] still no phones to match it :) [10:21] lol [10:21] wife is considering selling her htc sensation, and buying something on wp7. largely due to battery life. wp7 goes miles further on the same size battery [10:21] DJones: they do it in the UK, but in the Netherlands we don't have a stolen-SIM-register [10:22] directhex: because it can do less :P [10:22] because it stays in your pocket? [10:23] popey, she can burn through most of the battery in less than an hour of active use. i can use mine as an mp3 player for 4 hours, actively use it for browsing etc for 2 hours, and still have 60% battery [10:23] golly [10:23] my htc hero was a bit rubbish on battery [10:24] I never run out of battery on anything ever http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170846891179 [10:24] My Galaxy Nexus can go for more than a day of moderate use [10:24] I _can_ burn the battery in a few hours if I want to.. but I don't want to :) [10:24] my solution wins, game over :P [10:25] she's also suffering from a horrid stuttering issue. frequently the ui just goes totally unresponsive, takes ~30 seconds to react to taps [10:25] Azelphur: you just buy a new phone every time the battery runs out? :P [10:25] MartijnVdS: hahaha [10:26] MartijnVdS: 15,000mAh portable battery, it can charge my laptop and phone multiple times [10:26] well my old laptop anyway, it doesn't seem to be compatible with my new lenovo :< [10:26] * TheOpenSourcerer finds the battery life on his S3 to be most excellent. [10:26] * Azelphur shall try and hack it [10:27] TheOpenSourcerer: did you see my brand new perfect condition S3 photos? XD [10:27] TheOpenSourcerer: I agree, I find similar [10:27] Azelphur: what kind of laptop did you have that 67Whr was enough to charge it multiple times? [10:27] my s3 is much better now I have full charged it a few times [10:28] ormiret: inspiron mini duo, I only got the battery recently, but it did a full charge on it and the battery still had >50% remaining [10:28] every time i use an android phone, it's slow, unresponsive, and has crap battery. every time i moan about it, i'm told "oh, yeah, that happened on old phones. you need a new one, with moar cores and moar ram, it doesn't do that anymore" [10:28] and then i use a new one, with moar cores and moar ram. know what happens next? [10:28] it bursts into flames? [10:28] it's slow, unresponsive, and has crap battery. so i moan about it. [10:28] Azelphur: Nice. My S3 is in much better condition and I was one of the first to get one in the UK. [10:28] and i'm told "oh, yeah, that happened on old phones. you need a new one, with moar cores and moar ram, it doesn't do that anymore" [10:29] * Laney is still on N900 yo [10:29] directhex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDsOtdRtG0Q&t=0m35s very slow phone here :p [10:29] TheOpenSourcerer: nice :) [10:30] And I still haven't got round to buying a case... [10:30] hehe [10:30] i loved the pre3, but it was soooooo buggy [10:30] i mean, crazy buggy [10:30] no idea how they shipped it so buggy [10:31] WebOS is/was quite a ncie GUI in concept. [10:31] worse than evolution in precise [10:32] i didn't like the n9 one bit [10:33] better than the n900, maybe even by a couple of orders of magnitude [10:33] in that it took me a week to decide "er, no" not 15 minutes [10:33] pre3 was <3, if not for the bugs. [10:33] e.g. memory leak. it never freed memory in apps you quit, so it needed rebooting frequently [10:34] actually i think it was file descriptors or mountpoints or something it leaked, not memory, but some finite resource was never freed [10:34] and the mp3 player paused every few songs. infuriating! [10:34] loved the hardware and the ui. loved them. so nice. [10:35] battery life was on the short side, but better than htc sensation. [10:36] also, very hackable. real linux. [10:36] well..... real gnu. not "real linux". android kernel, since all embedded cpu devs these days only make android kernels [10:37] interesting, [10:40] directhex: you know what I should do, ask for a partial refund (£100) and then sell it to that site you mentioned for a profit XD [10:40] if it goes to dispute resolution anyway [10:41] then you get in trouble for selling a nicked phone [10:41] good point, *avoids that too* [10:42] i think you should restrict yourself to backtracking only :) [10:42] indeed [10:42] it's #androids fault, they keep suggesting I do bad things [10:42] * Azelphur points [10:43] haven't you read 'do android dream of electric sheep'?, they're all out to get us :p [10:43] haha [10:47] is the picture quality degraded if i use a vga-vga cable rather than hdmi-hdmi cable from laptop to 24 in ch monitor [10:48] yes [10:48] technically yes, you won't notice the difference [10:48] even if i'm working 1ft away? [10:48] you will notice the difference if you are using it as a monitor for text and general computerish stuff [10:48] not sure if it's the monitor or the cable [10:48] movies you will get away with it [10:49] doing text and close stuff [10:49] eh what makes you think you'll notice the difference? [10:49] seems a bit dim and colours are a bit meh [10:49] because I notice the difference on my monitors between VGA and HDMI [10:49] even thought i've played with the monitor settings [10:49] i think you have a dodgy monitor then ;) [10:49] the monitor only takes vga/dvi/dp [10:49] i have vga-vga or hdmi-hdmi [10:50] it might vary according to the quality of your VGA port (on the computer side mostly I expect) [10:51] depends on your general noise environment and the DAC + ADC for the analogue path and how well shielded the cable is etc. Generally better off sticking to digital formats. [10:53] ok i just stole my colleagues hdmi-dvi cable and the difference is huge [10:53] yus, no need for gold plated connectors on digital formats ;) [10:53] the text is now clear and the calrity and colours are better [10:54] i think you guys just have badly calibrated monitors ;) the signals are comparible unless you are doing something horrible like interlacing [10:55] i have two monitors next to eachother driven from the same machine, one VGA, one DisplayPort, both are identical [10:55] there is a teeny tiny bit of bleed between pixels which makes it less sharp for me with VGA [10:56] the difference is very real here [11:00] popey++, my 4 monitors, one of them is an E2607WS (with DVI) while the others are E2607WSV (VGA Only), and you cannot tell the difference at all side by side [11:01] and I used them for like 3 years, so any differences between them I would have most likely noticed [11:01] yeah, probably decent graphic cards do fine, this is a built in laptop port [11:01] this is built in laptop :) [11:02] yeah, but yours is a nice thinkpad and mine is a cheap Samsung (that I like very much) [11:02] mungojerry: you can get cheap hdmi/dvi adapters [11:03] for the time being i hope that my colleague will not notice ...it was dangling unused [11:14] another strange effect is that swapping my wireless keyboard for a wired one has sped up my typing [11:27] does forwarding spam SMS to 7726 do anything? [11:27] apparently it reports it to your network provider [11:30] outlook.com reports 4 messages in my inbox. only 2 there. [11:33] i have exactly two mails in my outlook.com inbox [11:34] "Getting started with hotmail" [11:34] "Get to know what's new in outlook" [11:35] yay for microsoft spam [11:38] popey, almost the same, but it thinks theres 4 [11:38] did you get popey@outlook [11:39] nope [11:39] thats cos i got 5 aliases and nicked it :) [11:39] *may not be true [11:39] i dont plan on using it, so I don't care [11:40] nor me, but hey [11:40] just looked in to see what the fuss was about [11:40] ditto everybody else [11:40] they don't do the dot thing [11:40] so mungojerry@ is different from mungo.jerry [11:41] to be fair, gmail is the only one i've seen do that [11:41] ok, so now I do have popey@outlook.com [11:41] :D [11:41] :) [11:41] balance restored to universe [11:42] hah [11:46] i had 3700 new mail in my outlook account [11:46] converted from hotmaail? [11:47] mostly spam from 2010 and earlier. hotmail antispam didn't work prior to then [11:47] which is why everyone moved to gmail in 2007 [11:48] directhex: were 3000 of them Microsoft says I see you are using an incompatible operating system would you like to upgrade now, click link to install windows 7 now! [11:48] mmm scampi lemon nik naks [11:49] davmor2, lots of reported posts from a forum i moderate [11:51] * mungojerry finds an appriopriate tshirt http://www.threadless.com/product/2047/Alt_of_Ctrl/?j=16954684 [11:54] mungojerry: faster typing on a wired keyboard? [11:55] yeah, i think it's because the wireless one had lame amount of key depress [11:55] unsatisfying [11:55] but from a human perspective it just felt more sluggish than the wired one [11:55] ooh this looks cool, i wonder if i can get gnuplot to handle this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupper%27s_self-referential_formula [11:56] check out usbcore.autosuspend settings, sometimes the autosuspend settings for a USB port are set to turn it off after something like 0.1s of inactivitz [11:57] http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_reduce_power_consumption#USB_Subsystem [11:58] a value of -1 prevents autosuspending [12:03] jacobw, interesting. i think i'll stick with the nicer wired kb but i'll bear that in mind when i use a tv under the telly with wireless kb [12:04] what does 100.0% Device Audio codec hwC0D0: Analog Devices mean in powertop? [12:05] the other entries are 1us and stuff liek that [12:09] it means your sound device is eating battery [12:10] it's on my desktop, but could it cause slowness? [12:11] this PC is allegedly faster than my previous work PC but is incredibly sluggish, especially at i/o [12:15] could be, but unlikely... I guess === nothingspecial is now known as sally_sillymom [12:23] today is boring :( [12:25] set something on fire [12:25] instant excitement [12:26] or instant excrement [12:26] owncloud is looking really decent nowadays [12:44] wow. £250 keyboard, for the Azelphurs of the world. http://www.cyborggaming.com/strike7/ === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === sally_sillymom is now known as nothingspecial === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [13:14] don't think i've ever paid for a keyboard === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [13:30] DAS KEYBOARD [13:31] u1 are now doing referrals a la dropbox [13:32] http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/2012/08/15/invite-your-friends-and-get-more-free-storage/ [13:38] oooh === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [13:45] I was going to go to town and buy my new telly this afternoon [13:45] but the rain is mental :( [13:46] aww [13:46] maybe I still will [13:46] crazy people who still go to shops to buy things [13:47] can't beat a bit o'richer sounds [13:48] RS are usually no more expensive than the interwebs [13:48] for decent brands [13:49] i think they even price match the internet, not that i've ever been able to call them on it [13:49] http://www.richersounds.com/information/pricebeat [13:49] their 5 year warranty is really rather cheap too [13:50] which is mainly how they'll get away with not price matching amazon here i suspect [13:50] picking up something in person > waiting for a terrible courier like city link to put a "you were out" card through the door [13:53] * Laney dons snorkel and braves the river that once was known as Queens Road [13:58] so.. Queens River? [14:10] i don't shop in richard sounds due to their offensive staff [14:11] offensive? [14:11] i was in there an the bloke asked what stereo i had, then in his best pcworld eejit voice he said yeah i think my nans got that one [14:12] to be precise i just chose not to frequent their london bridge store due to that kind of snobby attitude [14:12] http://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/launchpad-downtime-august-16th FYI folks [14:13] a bit like when the boys in currys talking about linux users not having girlfriends right next to me after i asked for the eee pc running linux [14:22] anyone running debian? does it have ubuntu one? [14:23] ok, just noticed something that has to change in quantal. If you hover your mouse over the dash button, it says "Dash Home" which seems more like an instruction rather than what it does. [14:23] :D [14:23] yabba dabbo dooo! [14:23] as instructions go, it's a pretty good instruction, but it's not what I want to do [14:25] mungojerry: it doesn't [14:26] i was wondering what this bug is sying http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594143 [14:26] Debian bug 594143 in wnpp "ITP: ubuntu-sso-client -- Ubuntu Single Sign-On client" [Wishlist,Fixed] [14:26] i think that was the dependency for u1 in debian [15:02] might go to UK in november or december [15:07] bring a coat [15:07] and a brolly [15:08] and a shovel [15:09] for our winter hibernation we have to build underground tunnels and houses like the wombles, so if you want to say hello you'll need to dig down [15:11] pfft, schoolboy error digging straight down [15:11] everyone knows that [15:14] might fall into lava? [15:15] OH:"a straw man is better than none" [15:16] exactly [15:36] nice: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1149013/ [15:37] =D [15:38] going with Norwegian some random strange girl from the internets wanted to meet me :D [15:38] bittin: probably a 40-year old man [15:38] christel? [15:38] MartijnVdS, who knows :D [15:38] jacobw, no some Anna [15:38]