| wrst | chris4585: how you doing? | 00:15 |
|---|---|---|
| chris4585 | alright, eating sliced apples | 00:16 |
| chris4585 | you? | 00:16 |
| wrst | running around like a nut with my daughter :) | 00:27 |
| Unit193 | So much fun, I'm sure. | 00:29 |
| wrst | yep she's wearing me out | 00:31 |
| chris4585 | lol | 00:57 |
| wrst | yeah man nothing but energy | 01:15 |
| wrst | binarymutant: more changes coming to arch | 12:56 |
| xTEMPLARx | more arbitrary changes I'm sure... changes that'll make you rue the day you spent installing it! | 13:51 |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: yeah they are going to systemd I think I may go Ubuntu for my main machine again until they calm down for a while | 13:54 |
| wrst | probably go with a minimal ubuntu install and go with gnome shell | 13:54 |
| xTEMPLARx | sounds like a plan | 13:54 |
| xTEMPLARx | I honestly really like gnome shell | 13:55 |
| xTEMPLARx | I'm sure I"m not using it to its fullest | 13:55 |
| xTEMPLARx | but it looks nice while staying out of my way 99.9999% of the time | 13:55 |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: i agree and there's an extension to do about anything else you need | 13:56 |
| xTEMPLARx | probably so | 13:56 |
| xTEMPLARx | and I've yet to run into anything I could do with regular guh-nome that I can't do here... | 13:57 |
| xTEMPLARx | I couldn't use KDE here at work because I very quickly ran into things it wasn't capable of doing... things that interfered with my work flow. | 13:57 |
| wrst | yeah kde is great looking but i mean really can't they at least get a file manager correct? | 13:58 |
| wrst | raelly? | 13:58 |
| wrst | dolphin is awful | 13:58 |
| wrst | *really? | 13:58 |
| wrst | arch looks to be moving away eventually from rc.conf being teh central config place with all of that its probably not worth the effort for me :) | 14:02 |
| wrst | greetings Genphlux | 15:16 |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: ever done the net install of ubuntu? | 15:22 |
| xTEMPLARx | wrst: no sir | 15:42 |
| wrst | cyberanger: has told me about it but looks like a good way togo especially since i'm not on the unity wagon | 15:43 |
| wrst | i'm doing a test on my laptop now | 15:43 |
| xTEMPLARx | and I agree on KDE's file management. Its lack of good integration with samba shares on the network is the main reason I couldn't use it | 15:43 |
| wrst | in a VM i mean | 15:43 |
| xTEMPLARx | nice | 15:43 |
| xTEMPLARx | how big is the iso download | 15:44 |
| wrst | yeah i don't know how much junk it brings in with it | 15:44 |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: 31.5MB | 15:45 |
| xTEMPLARx | wrst: not bad at all | 16:04 |
| xTEMPLARx | so then, if your connection isn't garbage, that may be worth it. Especially if it allows you to install what you wanna install and not download a DVD's worth of data just to install 10% of it | 16:04 |
| wrst | nope.. hmm i install gnome-core and i get unity, not exactly what i was going for | 16:04 |
| xTEMPLARx | boooooo | 16:05 |
| wrst | yeah | 16:05 |
| xTEMPLARx | maybe you shoulda started with ubuntuserver :D | 16:05 |
| wrst | maybe i should have xTEMPLARx :) | 16:06 |
| wrst | i mean it doesn't take much space and i was going to use lightdm for my log in | 16:06 |
| wrst | and this is expiremental the focus being on the "mental" part of expiremental | 16:07 |
| xTEMPLARx | indeed :D | 16:07 |
| wrst | been so long since i have used apt-get doing a large install i forgot how slow it is compared to pacman | 16:08 |
| wrst | but of course when it gets done i don't have to tweak config files from now until sunday | 16:08 |
| xTEMPLARx | I've not really run into it being slow, per se. perhaps it is because its having to deal with a bit more traffic than arch's repositories does. :D | 16:10 |
| xTEMPLARx | i subscribed to Spotify today | 16:10 |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: not slow on the download, but slow on the installing | 16:10 |
| wrst | unpackaging, installing, setting up blah blah | 16:10 |
| wrst | arch just sorta throws it out there and says here you go, good luck! | 16:11 |
| xTEMPLARx | lol | 16:12 |
| wrst | but most of the time it does work believe it or not | 16:13 |
| xTEMPLARx | oh I believe it | 16:15 |
| wrst | but when it doesn't work... ohhhh it doesn't work :) | 16:16 |
| wrst | and xTEMPLARx changing distros is cheaper than purchasing guitar parts and i need something to do | 16:17 |
| xTEMPLARx | occupy that imagination so your checkbook stays intact. Good plan... good plan... | 16:17 |
| wrst | i'm trying xTEMPLARx but its difficult | 16:18 |
| xTEMPLARx | I hear ya | 16:18 |
| xTEMPLARx | and I have yet another battle | 16:18 |
| xTEMPLARx | buy parts that I need to get the truck up and running | 16:18 |
| xTEMPLARx | or parts to build guitars with | 16:18 |
| xTEMPLARx | there are two things that I'm greatly lacking: | 16:18 |
| xTEMPLARx | time | 16:18 |
| xTEMPLARx | money | 16:18 |
| xTEMPLARx | http://i.imgur.com/5nEXm.jpg | 16:19 |
| wrst | nice wig :) | 16:20 |
| wrst | and if you get more money you have less time and more time = less money | 16:20 |
| xTEMPLARx | that time is money guy was a dirty, rotten PHONEY then... | 16:21 |
| wrst | ha ha | 16:26 |
| wrst | well after running through this i think it would just be easier to install ubuntu and get rid of what i don't want rather than add what i want | 16:26 |
| wrst | i use ubuntu one and want the software center | 16:26 |
| binarymutant | getting rid of pkgs is harder than adding them, I think | 17:17 |
| wrst | binarymutant: good point | 17:17 |
| binarymutant | oh, timestamps | 17:18 |
| wrst | binarymutant: its irc, time is irrelevant | 17:18 |
| binarymutant | :D | 17:18 |
| xTEMPLARx | if time is irrelevant, why does my quassel client have a time stamp down the left column of the room | 17:18 |
| xTEMPLARx | i'm gonna write them a letter and complain | 17:19 |
| xTEMPLARx | they might as well have forced me to look at "pictures of the day" from a random google web search over there | 17:19 |
| binarymutant | I bet it's an option, rather than a must-have | 17:19 |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: i apologize :) | 17:20 |
| xTEMPLARx | wrst lol | 17:20 |
| binarymutant | arch is moving away from rc.conf, because of systemd | 17:22 |
| wrst | yeah binarymutant | 17:22 |
| xTEMPLARx | wrst was talking about that earlier. gotta love it | 17:23 |
| xTEMPLARx | i'm gonna delete my arch install right now out of protest | 17:23 |
| binarymutant | you'll be back | 17:23 |
| * xTEMPLARx has disconnected: unexpected end of pipe error. | 17:23 | |
| binarymutant | wrst: but I hear someone is working on getting systemd to use rc.conf too | 17:24 |
| wrst | yeah binarymutant sounds like a good time exit until they get that going :) | 17:26 |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: you need to cut your pipe longer next time! | 17:26 |
| binarymutant | <- staying | 17:27 |
| binarymutant | I might switch to it now | 17:27 |
| wrst | binarymutant: i'm not going to abandon it i'm leaving it on my desktop just to have fun blowing it up :) but i need my laptop to work so the next few months I think i will go ubuntu on it again | 17:28 |
| wrst | its all linux so its all the same at the heart of things, ubuntu just makes it harder to find the heart | 17:28 |
| binarymutant | thats a good idea, less breakage | 17:29 |
| binarymutant | Ubuntu uses upstart which is similar to systemd though.. | 17:29 |
| wrst | binarymutant: yeah i don't really care about that as long as it works, i think the whole world should have an rc.conf file however | 17:31 |
| wrst | i had issues with upstart when ubuntu switched to it on my server | 17:32 |
| xTEMPLARx | UPSTART IS THE DEVIL | 17:32 |
| wrst | but the devil is so darn attractive xTEMPLARx | 17:32 |
| binarymutant | I guess rc.conf is easier than rc.d/ or whatever | 17:32 |
| xTEMPLARx | i heard that UPSTART wears Prada | 17:33 |
| xTEMPLARx | this link work for you guys? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ | 17:33 |
| xTEMPLARx | its timing out for me | 17:33 |
| binarymutant | freedesktop has been down for like weeks for me | 17:35 |
| xTEMPLARx | k | 17:35 |
| xTEMPLARx | ty | 17:35 |
| binarymutant | idk why though, thought they'd be up by now | 17:35 |
| wrst | i get nothing | 17:37 |
| wrst | i really would prefer for freeburrito.org to work | 17:37 |
| xTEMPLARx | indeed! | 17:41 |
| binarymutant | yeah last week I needed some docs on that site | 17:44 |
| binarymutant | can't believe it's still down | 17:45 |
| wrst | well binarymutant if it makes you feel anybetter you won't be getting them this week either :\ | 17:50 |
| binarymutant | hope I don't need any xorg docs | 17:51 |
| * wrst doesn't need any docs and runs as root all the time | 17:54 | |
| === wrst_ is now known as wrst | ||
| * Ubik pokes cyberanger | 22:45 | |
| cyberanger | hey Ubik | 22:51 |
| Ubik | dude | 23:23 |
| Ubik | so what are we all supposed to use now, to avoid Unity? :) | 23:23 |
| chris4585 | uh gnome? | 23:23 |
| chris4585 | could go with xfce, debian is choosing that for their default desktop | 23:24 |
| Ubik | yeah | 23:25 |
| Ubik | thought about moving to debian | 23:25 |
| Ubik | course, that means we all have to leave here then :P | 23:25 |
| chris4585 | not really, half of us don't use ubuntu for our main desktops | 23:27 |
| chris4585 | I know I don't and a few others don't, but we all support ubuntu | 23:27 |
| Ubik | my main machine has it.. like, 10.10 or something | 23:28 |
| Ubik | old enough that im getting nag screens about not being supported anymore :) | 23:28 |
| chris4585 | nag screens? | 23:30 |
| chris4585 | 10.10 was my last favorite release | 23:30 |
| Ubik | yeah.. whenever I log in, it comes up with "Your distribution isn't supported anymore!" dialogs | 23:30 |
| chris4585 | ah | 23:30 |
| chris4585 | I think that can be fixed by removing update-manager... but I don't know if I can really suggest doing that | 23:31 |
| chris4585 | I don't seem the harm in it | 23:31 |
| Ubik | true | 23:31 |
| chris4585 | see* | 23:31 |
| Ubik | probably best to just apply all updates that are available (there are a few, been slacking) | 23:32 |
| Ubik | and then kill it off...although... I guess if there are any updates from any 3rd party repos I have, it would miss those | 23:32 |
| chris4585 | nah, just update using the command line, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade | 23:32 |
| chris4585 | your 3rd party repos would still be there | 23:33 |
| chris4585 | just no annoying ubuntu update manager | 23:33 |
| Ubik | right | 23:33 |
| cyberanger | Ubik: I use openbox, recommend lxde (if you need a cute installer, lubuntu or debian lxde) | 23:45 |
| Ubik | might have to fool with some of those | 23:46 |
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