[00:15] chris4585: how you doing? [00:16] alright, eating sliced apples [00:16] you? [00:27] running around like a nut with my daughter :) [00:29] So much fun, I'm sure. [00:31] yep she's wearing me out [00:57] lol [01:15] yeah man nothing but energy [12:56] binarymutant: more changes coming to arch [13:51] more arbitrary changes I'm sure... changes that'll make you rue the day you spent installing it! [13:54] xTEMPLARx: yeah they are going to systemd I think I may go Ubuntu for my main machine again until they calm down for a while [13:54] probably go with a minimal ubuntu install and go with gnome shell [13:54] sounds like a plan [13:55] I honestly really like gnome shell [13:55] I'm sure I"m not using it to its fullest [13:55] but it looks nice while staying out of my way 99.9999% of the time [13:56] xTEMPLARx: i agree and there's an extension to do about anything else you need [13:56] probably so [13:57] and I've yet to run into anything I could do with regular guh-nome that I can't do here... [13:57] I couldn't use KDE here at work because I very quickly ran into things it wasn't capable of doing... things that interfered with my work flow. [13:58] yeah kde is great looking but i mean really can't they at least get a file manager correct? [13:58] raelly? [13:58] dolphin is awful [13:58] *really? [14:02] arch looks to be moving away eventually from rc.conf being teh central config place with all of that its probably not worth the effort for me :) [15:16] greetings Genphlux [15:22] xTEMPLARx: ever done the net install of ubuntu? [15:42] wrst: no sir [15:43] cyberanger: has told me about it but looks like a good way togo especially since i'm not on the unity wagon [15:43] i'm doing a test on my laptop now [15:43] and I agree on KDE's file management. Its lack of good integration with samba shares on the network is the main reason I couldn't use it [15:43] in a VM i mean [15:43] nice [15:44] how big is the iso download [15:44] yeah i don't know how much junk it brings in with it [15:45] xTEMPLARx: 31.5MB [16:04] wrst: not bad at all [16:04] so then, if your connection isn't garbage, that may be worth it. Especially if it allows you to install what you wanna install and not download a DVD's worth of data just to install 10% of it [16:04] nope.. hmm i install gnome-core and i get unity, not exactly what i was going for [16:05] boooooo [16:05] yeah [16:05] maybe you shoulda started with ubuntuserver :D [16:06] maybe i should have xTEMPLARx :) [16:06] i mean it doesn't take much space and i was going to use lightdm for my log in [16:07] and this is expiremental the focus being on the "mental" part of expiremental [16:07] indeed :D [16:08] been so long since i have used apt-get doing a large install i forgot how slow it is compared to pacman [16:08] but of course when it gets done i don't have to tweak config files from now until sunday [16:10] I've not really run into it being slow, per se. perhaps it is because its having to deal with a bit more traffic than arch's repositories does. :D [16:10] i subscribed to Spotify today [16:10] xTEMPLARx: not slow on the download, but slow on the installing [16:10] unpackaging, installing, setting up blah blah [16:11] arch just sorta throws it out there and says here you go, good luck! [16:12] lol [16:13] but most of the time it does work believe it or not [16:15] oh I believe it [16:16] but when it doesn't work... ohhhh it doesn't work :) [16:17] and xTEMPLARx changing distros is cheaper than purchasing guitar parts and i need something to do [16:17] occupy that imagination so your checkbook stays intact. Good plan... good plan... [16:18] i'm trying xTEMPLARx but its difficult [16:18] I hear ya [16:18] and I have yet another battle [16:18] buy parts that I need to get the truck up and running [16:18] or parts to build guitars with [16:18] there are two things that I'm greatly lacking: [16:18] time [16:18] money [16:19] http://i.imgur.com/5nEXm.jpg [16:20] nice wig :) [16:20] and if you get more money you have less time and more time = less money [16:21] that time is money guy was a dirty, rotten PHONEY then... [16:26] ha ha [16:26] well after running through this i think it would just be easier to install ubuntu and get rid of what i don't want rather than add what i want [16:26] i use ubuntu one and want the software center [17:17] getting rid of pkgs is harder than adding them, I think [17:17] binarymutant: good point [17:18] oh, timestamps [17:18] binarymutant: its irc, time is irrelevant [17:18] :D [17:18] if time is irrelevant, why does my quassel client have a time stamp down the left column of the room [17:19] i'm gonna write them a letter and complain [17:19] they might as well have forced me to look at "pictures of the day" from a random google web search over there [17:19] I bet it's an option, rather than a must-have [17:20] xTEMPLARx: i apologize :) [17:20] wrst lol [17:22] arch is moving away from rc.conf, because of systemd [17:22] yeah binarymutant [17:23] wrst was talking about that earlier. gotta love it [17:23] i'm gonna delete my arch install right now out of protest [17:23] you'll be back [17:23] * xTEMPLARx has disconnected: unexpected end of pipe error. [17:24] wrst: but I hear someone is working on getting systemd to use rc.conf too [17:26] yeah binarymutant sounds like a good time exit until they get that going :) [17:26] xTEMPLARx: you need to cut your pipe longer next time! [17:27] <- staying [17:27] I might switch to it now [17:28] binarymutant: i'm not going to abandon it i'm leaving it on my desktop just to have fun blowing it up :) but i need my laptop to work so the next few months I think i will go ubuntu on it again [17:28] its all linux so its all the same at the heart of things, ubuntu just makes it harder to find the heart [17:29] thats a good idea, less breakage [17:29] Ubuntu uses upstart which is similar to systemd though.. [17:31] binarymutant: yeah i don't really care about that as long as it works, i think the whole world should have an rc.conf file however [17:32] i had issues with upstart when ubuntu switched to it on my server [17:32] UPSTART IS THE DEVIL [17:32] but the devil is so darn attractive xTEMPLARx [17:32] I guess rc.conf is easier than rc.d/ or whatever [17:33] i heard that UPSTART wears Prada [17:33] this link work for you guys? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ [17:33] its timing out for me [17:35] freedesktop has been down for like weeks for me [17:35] k [17:35] ty [17:35] idk why though, thought they'd be up by now [17:37] i get nothing [17:37] i really would prefer for freeburrito.org to work [17:41] indeed! [17:44] yeah last week I needed some docs on that site [17:45] can't believe it's still down [17:50] well binarymutant if it makes you feel anybetter you won't be getting them this week either :\ [17:51] hope I don't need any xorg docs [17:54] * wrst doesn't need any docs and runs as root all the time === wrst_ is now known as wrst [22:45] * Ubik pokes cyberanger [22:51] hey Ubik [23:23] dude [23:23] so what are we all supposed to use now, to avoid Unity? :) [23:23] uh gnome? [23:24] could go with xfce, debian is choosing that for their default desktop [23:25] yeah [23:25] thought about moving to debian [23:25] course, that means we all have to leave here then :P [23:27] not really, half of us don't use ubuntu for our main desktops [23:27] I know I don't and a few others don't, but we all support ubuntu [23:28] my main machine has it.. like, 10.10 or something [23:28] old enough that im getting nag screens about not being supported anymore :) [23:30] nag screens? [23:30] 10.10 was my last favorite release [23:30] yeah.. whenever I log in, it comes up with "Your distribution isn't supported anymore!" dialogs [23:30] ah [23:31] I think that can be fixed by removing update-manager... but I don't know if I can really suggest doing that [23:31] I don't seem the harm in it [23:31] true [23:31] see* [23:32] probably best to just apply all updates that are available (there are a few, been slacking) [23:32] and then kill it off...although... I guess if there are any updates from any 3rd party repos I have, it would miss those [23:32] nah, just update using the command line, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade [23:33] your 3rd party repos would still be there [23:33] just no annoying ubuntu update manager [23:33] right [23:45] Ubik: I use openbox, recommend lxde (if you need a cute installer, lubuntu or debian lxde) [23:46] might have to fool with some of those