[00:15] <wrst> chris4585: how you doing?
[00:16] <chris4585> alright, eating sliced apples
[00:16] <chris4585> you?
[00:27] <wrst> running around like a nut with my daughter :)
[00:29] <Unit193> So much fun, I'm sure.
[00:31] <wrst> yep she's wearing me out
[00:57] <chris4585> lol
[01:15] <wrst> yeah man nothing but energy
[12:56] <wrst> binarymutant: more changes coming to arch
[13:51] <xTEMPLARx> more arbitrary changes I'm sure... changes that'll make you rue the day you spent installing it!
[13:54] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: yeah they are going to systemd I think I may go Ubuntu for my main machine again until they calm down for a while
[13:54] <wrst> probably go with a minimal ubuntu install and go with gnome shell
[13:54] <xTEMPLARx> sounds like a plan
[13:55] <xTEMPLARx> I honestly really like gnome shell
[13:55] <xTEMPLARx> I'm sure I"m not using it to its fullest
[13:55] <xTEMPLARx> but it looks nice while staying out of my way 99.9999% of the time
[13:56] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i agree and there's an extension to do about anything else you need
[13:56] <xTEMPLARx> probably so
[13:57] <xTEMPLARx> and I've yet to run into anything I could do with regular guh-nome that I can't do here...
[13:57] <xTEMPLARx> I couldn't use KDE here at work because I very quickly ran into things it wasn't capable of doing... things that interfered with my work flow.
[13:58] <wrst> yeah kde is great looking but i mean really can't they at least get a file manager correct?
[13:58] <wrst> raelly?
[13:58] <wrst> dolphin is awful
[13:58] <wrst> *really?
[14:02] <wrst> arch looks to be moving away eventually from rc.conf being teh central config place with all of that its probably not worth the effort for me :)
[15:16] <wrst> greetings Genphlux
[15:22] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: ever done the net install of ubuntu?
[15:42] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  no sir
[15:43] <wrst> cyberanger: has told me about it but looks like a good way togo especially since i'm not on the unity wagon
[15:43] <wrst> i'm doing a test on my laptop now
[15:43] <xTEMPLARx> and I agree on KDE's file management.  Its lack of good integration with samba shares on the network is the main reason I couldn't use it
[15:43] <wrst> in a VM i mean
[15:43] <xTEMPLARx> nice
[15:44] <xTEMPLARx> how big is the iso download
[15:44] <wrst> yeah i don't know how much junk it brings in with it
[15:45] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: 31.5MB
[16:04] <xTEMPLARx> wrst: not bad at all
[16:04] <xTEMPLARx> so then, if your connection isn't garbage, that may be worth it.  Especially if it allows you to install what you wanna install and not download a DVD's worth of data just to install 10% of it
[16:04] <wrst> nope.. hmm i install gnome-core and i get unity, not exactly what i was going for
[16:05] <xTEMPLARx> boooooo
[16:05] <wrst> yeah
[16:05] <xTEMPLARx> maybe you shoulda started with ubuntuserver :D
[16:06] <wrst> maybe i should have xTEMPLARx :)
[16:06] <wrst> i mean it doesn't take much space and i was going to use lightdm for my log in
[16:07] <wrst> and this is expiremental the focus being on the "mental" part of expiremental
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> indeed :D
[16:08] <wrst> been so long since i have used apt-get doing a large install i forgot how slow it is compared to pacman
[16:08] <wrst> but of course when it gets done i don't have to tweak config files from now until sunday
[16:10] <xTEMPLARx> I've not really run into it being slow, per se.  perhaps it is because its having to deal with a bit more traffic than arch's repositories does.  :D
[16:10] <xTEMPLARx> i subscribed to Spotify today
[16:10] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: not slow on the download, but slow on the installing
[16:10] <wrst> unpackaging, installing, setting up blah blah
[16:11] <wrst> arch just sorta throws it out there and says here you go, good luck!
[16:12] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[16:13] <wrst> but most of the time it does work believe it or not
[16:15] <xTEMPLARx> oh I believe it
[16:16] <wrst> but when it doesn't work... ohhhh it doesn't work :)
[16:17] <wrst> and xTEMPLARx changing distros is cheaper than purchasing guitar parts and i need something to do
[16:17] <xTEMPLARx> occupy that imagination so your checkbook stays intact.  Good plan... good plan...
[16:18] <wrst> i'm trying xTEMPLARx but its difficult
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> I hear ya
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> and I have yet another battle
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> buy parts that I need to get the truck up and running
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> or parts to build guitars with
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> there are two things that I'm greatly lacking:
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> time
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> money
[16:19] <xTEMPLARx> http://i.imgur.com/5nEXm.jpg
[16:20] <wrst> nice wig :)
[16:20] <wrst> and if you get more money you have less time and more time = less money
[16:21] <xTEMPLARx> that time is money guy was a dirty, rotten PHONEY then...
[16:26] <wrst> ha ha
[16:26] <wrst> well after running through this i think it would just be easier to install ubuntu and get rid of what i don't want rather than add what i want
[16:26] <wrst> i use ubuntu one and want the software center
[17:17] <binarymutant> getting rid of pkgs is harder than adding them, I think
[17:17] <wrst> binarymutant: good point
[17:18] <binarymutant> oh, timestamps
[17:18] <wrst> binarymutant: its irc, time is irrelevant
[17:18] <binarymutant> :D
[17:18] <xTEMPLARx> if time is irrelevant, why does my quassel client have a time stamp down the left column of the room
[17:19] <xTEMPLARx> i'm gonna write them a letter and complain
[17:19] <xTEMPLARx> they might as well have forced me to look at "pictures of the day" from a random google web search over there
[17:19] <binarymutant> I bet it's an option, rather than a must-have
[17:20] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i apologize :)
[17:20] <xTEMPLARx> wrst lol
[17:22] <binarymutant> arch is moving away from rc.conf, because of systemd
[17:22] <wrst> yeah binarymutant
[17:23] <xTEMPLARx> wrst was talking about that earlier.  gotta love it
[17:23] <xTEMPLARx> i'm gonna delete my arch install right now out of protest
[17:23] <binarymutant> you'll be back
[17:23]  * xTEMPLARx has disconnected:  unexpected end of pipe error.
[17:24] <binarymutant> wrst: but I hear someone is working on getting systemd to use rc.conf too
[17:26] <wrst> yeah binarymutant sounds like a good time exit until they get that going :)
[17:26] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you need to cut your pipe longer next time!
[17:27] <binarymutant> <- staying
[17:27] <binarymutant> I might switch to it now
[17:28] <wrst> binarymutant: i'm not going to abandon it i'm leaving it on my desktop just to have fun blowing it up :) but i need my laptop to work so the next few months I think i will go ubuntu on it again
[17:28] <wrst> its all linux so its all the same at the heart of things, ubuntu just makes it harder to find the heart
[17:29] <binarymutant> thats a good idea, less breakage
[17:29] <binarymutant> Ubuntu uses upstart which is similar to systemd though..
[17:31] <wrst> binarymutant: yeah i don't really care about that as long as it works, i think the whole world should have an rc.conf file however
[17:32] <wrst> i had issues with upstart when ubuntu switched to it on my server
[17:32] <xTEMPLARx> UPSTART IS THE DEVIL
[17:32] <wrst> but the devil is so darn attractive xTEMPLARx
[17:32] <binarymutant> I guess rc.conf is easier than rc.d/ or whatever
[17:33] <xTEMPLARx> i heard that UPSTART wears Prada
[17:33] <xTEMPLARx> this link work for you guys?   http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/
[17:33] <xTEMPLARx> its timing out for me
[17:35] <binarymutant> freedesktop has been down for like weeks for me
[17:35] <xTEMPLARx> k
[17:35] <xTEMPLARx> ty
[17:35] <binarymutant> idk why though, thought they'd be up by now
[17:37] <wrst> i get nothing
[17:37] <wrst> i really would prefer for freeburrito.org to work
[17:41] <xTEMPLARx> indeed!
[17:44] <binarymutant> yeah last week I needed some docs on that site
[17:45] <binarymutant> can't believe it's still down
[17:50] <wrst> well binarymutant if it makes you feel anybetter you won't be getting them this week either :\
[17:51] <binarymutant>  hope I don't need any xorg docs
[17:54]  * wrst doesn't need any docs and runs as root all the time
[22:45]  * Ubik pokes cyberanger 
[22:51] <cyberanger> hey Ubik
[23:23] <Ubik> dude
[23:23] <Ubik> so what are we all supposed to use now, to avoid Unity? :)
[23:23] <chris4585> uh gnome?
[23:24] <chris4585> could go with xfce, debian is choosing that for their default desktop
[23:25] <Ubik> yeah
[23:25] <Ubik> thought about moving to debian
[23:25] <Ubik> course, that means we all have to leave here then :P
[23:27] <chris4585> not really, half of us don't use ubuntu for our main desktops
[23:27] <chris4585> I know I don't and a few others don't, but we all support ubuntu
[23:28] <Ubik> my main machine has it..  like, 10.10 or something
[23:28] <Ubik> old enough that im getting nag screens about not being supported anymore :)
[23:30] <chris4585> nag screens?
[23:30] <chris4585> 10.10 was my last favorite release
[23:30] <Ubik> yeah..  whenever I log in, it comes up with "Your distribution isn't supported anymore!" dialogs
[23:30] <chris4585> ah
[23:31] <chris4585> I think that can be fixed by removing update-manager... but I don't know if I can really suggest doing that
[23:31] <chris4585> I don't seem the harm in it
[23:31] <Ubik> true
[23:31] <chris4585> see*
[23:32] <Ubik> probably best to just apply all updates that are available (there are a few, been slacking)
[23:32] <Ubik> and then kill it off...although... I guess if there are any updates from any 3rd party repos I have, it would miss those
[23:32] <chris4585> nah, just update using the command line, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[23:33] <chris4585> your 3rd party repos would still be there
[23:33] <chris4585> just no annoying ubuntu update manager
[23:33] <Ubik> right
[23:45] <cyberanger> Ubik: I use openbox, recommend lxde (if you need a cute installer, lubuntu or debian lxde)
[23:46] <Ubik> might have to fool with some of those