[05:12] morning [06:00] morning all [06:06] morning Kilos [06:07] hi Squirm [06:07] hi Tonberry SmilyBorg_w [06:07] Hi there === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [06:08] hello SmilyBorg [06:40] hi all [06:44] hi jrgns [06:51] hiya maiatoday [06:51] hi Kilos [07:08] hi superfly didnt get that email yet [07:09] lo nuvolari inetpro [07:09] morning Kilos, maiatoday and everyone else [07:10] good morning everyone [07:10] whew you guys got 2 kinds of weather, bad and very bad [07:11] Kilos: sorry I haven't spoken to our sales lady yet, I'll do that today [07:11] np superfly [07:16] hi DigiGram [07:17] almost started to feel like i'm the only ubuntu user around RSA, since so little people at our University uses it [07:17] Hi Kilos [07:17] welcome to ubuntu-za [07:17] where are you [07:17] which varsity [07:18] hey zeref [07:19] North West University (Potch campus) [07:19] most of the other varsities have ubuntu users. must be some there you dont know about [07:21] I think the main problem is our network weren't friendly to any OS other than XP and Win7, and the die hard Linux geeks around prefer Fedora [07:21] No Idea really why I chose Ubuntu in that case, but I'm glad I did [07:22] ubuntu rocks [07:22] the network has in the meantime opened up to everything, and now Windows is harder to get connected than Ubuntu, Android, iOS, or almaost any other [07:22] how come you took so long to come on here [07:22] lol [07:23] I forgot about ubuntu-za until I saw a post about some 12.04 CD's on our forum, decided to have a look at the site and irc [07:24] ah [07:24] what release are you using DigiGram [07:25] you must come attend our monthly meeting on the 20th at 19.30 [07:25] Well, on my office PC I need to use Win7, but on my office server I run Ubuntu 12.04, and my Laptop at home is currently on lubuntu 11.10 [07:26] hehe you ca get xchat for the office pc and still visit here [07:26] can [07:26] my bootable flashdrives for use on campus and troubleshooting also has lubuntu 11.10 and Lucy Puppy, based on ubuntu Lucid I presume [07:27] I stay away from xchat, when I start I cant stop hehehe [07:27] but it is installed [07:27] lol [07:28] just set it so it only comes here, very quiet here because everyone is at work [07:28] just having a struggle with DLink wifi card in the server, but my old dongles work perfectly until I can fix that issue [07:28] lol [08:08] hi drussell only way i got arpound the nm prob was to lock it to what the cd installed before updating [08:09] in synaptic and aptitude [08:10] Kilos: interesting, so it's a regression? that's worth mentioning in the bug if you've not already [08:10] i dunno how to add further comments there, dont seem to have the right link or something [08:11] took 4 clean installs to work it out [08:11] hehe [08:22] Kilos: which bug number? [08:27] sec tumbleweed [08:27] i gotta go find it online . lost all mails locally [08:29] tumbleweed / Kilos : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1033579 [08:30] ty drussell [08:30] messed up at first got it linked to firefox but one of the bug trackers said he would change it [08:31] Kilos: I don't see anything in there about it working at release but regressing in post release updates [08:32] maybe it was given a new number tumbleweed [08:32] im trying to find the name of the bug tracker guy that said he would move it from firefox [08:33] it was moved to network-manager [08:33] ah with same bug number? [08:34] yes [08:34] well, can i give you what i had to do to keep it working here? [08:35] please explain it in the bug [08:35] or give me the correct link to be able to go explain what i had to do? [08:35] http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html [08:35] ty [08:38] nee man. by the time ive read that to the end ive forgotten the beginning [08:38] minimal short term memory in this head [08:40] well I like the author's humour [08:40] writing good bug reports is hard [08:41] bug reports submitted to me are always accurate. They always say it's not working as expected, which turns out to be true, to bad I have to go and find the issue at hand [08:42] lol [08:43] well, my software are intended for users thats not even computer literate, so I can't really ask them for a decent bug report [08:51] i battle with this launchpad bug thing. i get a page that gives me these options [08:51] mute all emails from this bug [08:51] stop receiving comments from this bug [08:51] only receive email when this bug is closed [08:51] unsubscribe from this bug [08:52] but cant see where to further comment on same bug [08:52] grr [08:54] will try report a new one and link them somehow [08:55] tumbleweed, ^^ [08:55] * Squirm yawns [08:56] Kilos: you can comment at the bottom of the page [08:56] Kilos: you want to receive e-mail from the bug, your ouwouldn't know when there are new comments [08:56] it doesnt give me the option [08:56] are you logged in? [08:56] (top right corner) [08:56] yes [08:57] then at the bottom of the page, you'll see an "Add comment" box [08:58] top right corner shows my name and logout button [08:58] good [08:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1033579 <- scroll to the bottom [09:00] Pro's of working at an University, uncapped internet with speeds like this: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2120673249.png [09:12] tumbleweed, does that explain it better? [09:14] what i had to do to get around the prob that is [09:15] I'll wave that at the network-manager guy [09:15] ty [09:16] after 3 weeks of 12.04 [09:16] maybe now well get somewhere [09:18] oh tumbleweed also ask him to come here for more info please then he can tell me exactly what he wants and i can do it while he is here [09:20] Kilos: I think he's asleep right now. lives in canada [09:20] but he can find your IRC nick on launchpad [09:20] so late tonight then [09:21] yeah the ubuntuone guy found me [09:23] i will just add the info on the report as well [09:23] they can shoot me when the bug is fixed [09:27] atleast you get your modem to work Kilos :) [09:28] lol yeah was stressfull for weeks even used cell to get updates and get here [09:29] useless having a modem and having to plug in a fone to get online [09:31] still trying to get my iBurst modem to work on ubuntu, will have a go at it again next weekend [09:31] first need to finish my wife's blog design [09:32] there is lots of info online about iburst probs and fixes and advice too to get another modem [09:33] for some reason that advice does not work for me. EEBKAC probably [09:33] lol i have messed up so many times following advice to edit this and that [09:34] is it a usb modem [09:34] couple of clean installs inbetween to make sure I did not try to edit upon a faulty edit hehe [09:34] with sim and all [09:34] lol i have installed 12.04 7 times now [09:35] jip, usb modem, so ibdriver should work, but yeah, for me it does not work with the kernel [09:35] not sure if its working with a sim, as far as I know its more based on WiFi than GSM, but I can be wrong [09:37] Kilos: btw, I have a hard time understanding your replies on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibid/+bug/1032267 are you saying that the fixed package works? [09:39] tumbleweed, i coundnt get that to install so dunno [09:40] Kilos: if you enable proposed, that version sohuld be available [09:40] and will need to join #ibid to get it to join my channel [09:41] will get you there and we can work through it, when you have time [09:41] lemme first go find that mail and try though [09:45] sjoe tumbleweed where is an enable proposed button? [09:47] Kilos: software sources [09:47] oh no on that link [09:47] hehe [09:47] ty [09:57] hmm... [09:57] * inetpro missed an announcement by Vodacom to drop prices for prepaid data? [09:58] eish [09:58] if they can match the 8ta special lotsa peeps will smile [09:58] I see that a MyGig3 is now down to 6.5c per MB [09:58] https://www.vodacom.co.za/personal/phonesandpackages/datapriceplans/broadbandstandardplans [10:01] so R200 for 3GB? [10:02] DigiGram: yep [10:02] good speed? [10:03] I get 10GB per month with 10GB nighttime for R198pm from iBurst, but you do net get more that 1mbps and not covered everywhere [10:03] well I guess that just depends on your signal [10:04] * inetpro has experienced 7Mbps at home with VC though not for a long time [10:04] I generally am happy with anything above 1MBps [10:04] lol [10:05] im happt at anything over 200kB/s [10:05] its bad when you get used to uncapped with this: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2120673249.png [10:05] best been 400 for 20 secs [10:05] s/1MBps/1Mbps/ [10:05] eish! [10:06] yes that would be problematic [10:06] and thats just becuase I'm connected on a 100Mb/s line, the guys with gigabit lines get up to 300Mb/s [10:06] but after a few gigs per hour they throttle you, not an issue though [10:07] I wish that could be the norm for most users [10:07] TV would be dead already [10:07] yeah me too. well, chat later.... lunch time [10:07] (what TV? who has TV? hehe) [10:08] DigiGram: enjoy the lunch [10:11] inetpro, the source name for ibid is freenode hey? [10:13] Kilos: waarvan praat jy? [10:13] as jy ibid-setup doen [10:13] shucks, lemme check [10:14] QP join nie my kanaal nie [10:15] so dunno what i did wrong [10:15] * inetpro don't have something called source name in the ibid.ini [10:16] when you run ibid-setup [10:16] ai, ek sal nie weet nie [10:16] lol [10:16] te lank terug dit gedoen [10:17] en ek moes by atrum geregistreer het een of ander tyd maar as ek nou daar gaan sien dit my as guest**** [10:17] grrr [10:18] kan jy die link onthou wat ek hier gebruik het om hulle te join [10:18] Kilos: perhaps paste the output on slexy then somebody may be able to help [10:19] tumbleweed, link for #ibid please [10:19] Kilos: irc.atrum.org [10:19] inetpro, the output of the ibid startup? [10:19] Kilos: yebo yes [10:20] it had something in front to be able to join from here [10:20] like irc:irc.atrum.org [10:20] was that it [10:20] what IRC client do you use? [10:20] xchat [10:20] select the atrum network on the left, then join #ibid [10:20] if you aren't connected to atrum, connect to it [10:21] thats what i need to know how to do [10:21] Kilos: how do you connect to freenode? [10:22] hmmm in the setup thing but if i go to another one i lose freenode [10:23] when i first went to atrum someone added a bit in front of irc.atrum.org and i could right click connect [10:24] Kilos: Xchat->Network list [10:24] select atrum [10:24] click connect [10:25] now you're connected to both networks [10:25] no atrum here [10:25] then add it [10:26] it's not there by default [10:26] just add irc.atrum.org [10:26] click add. Enter Atrum as the name [10:26] select it [10:26] click edit [10:27] change the server to irc.atrum.org/6667 [10:27] put #ibid in favorite channels [10:27] ty i try that [10:28] Kilos: now that should explain how things work on irc [10:28] the shortcut is just a shortcut which doesn't teach you anything [10:36] grr it wont change when editing to irc.atrum.org/6667 stays at newserver/6667 [10:36] Kilos: what takes you so long? [10:36] double click, change it. press enter [10:40] hmm... xchat not so cool after all? [10:40] no man its me im sure [10:41] Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it? [10:41] Cycling to next server in irc.atrum.org/6667... [10:41] * Disconnected (). [10:41] keeps repeating that [10:41] grrr [10:51] Kilos: ok what happens when you try with the link irc://irc.atrum.org ? [10:51] yay [10:51] i got it [10:51] what was wrong? [10:51] but that link i can right click here and go connect [10:52] um [10:52] er [10:52] me [10:52] hmm... [10:52] entered irc.atrum.org/6667 by new server [10:53] then didnt do the edit and just call it Atrum in the right place or something [10:53] but its there now and i will soon make a backup [10:54] ai [10:54] but it sees me as Guest|29941 [10:55] and i gotta work out how or where to find it i registered there [10:55] i used to visit from here and i was me [12:10] inetpro, dont ai me man [12:11] you getting cheeky like vhata [12:11] hehe [12:11] Kilos: hmm... :) [12:11] lol [12:11] qp werk [12:12] hi psydroid [12:12] Kilos: mooi [12:12] * inetpro sal later kyk wat jy gedoen het [12:12] was n dom ding in die ibid.ini [12:13] skuus, as ek skielik besig is vergeet ek omk op te volg [12:13] gelukkig is ander gereed om te help [12:14] ja [12:20] hi smile [12:20] hi :p [13:38] hi tumbleweed: i'm busy creating my setup.py file. during the initial installation of the program the program needs to create some files and store them in the users home directory. [13:39] i've got a file called create.py, do i include that file in the setup.py file, or add in the the setup() function as script? [13:39] *a [13:40] zeref: you shouldn't do that in installation [13:40] what about multi-user systems, for example [13:41] * jrgns considers lit matches under his nails as a viable alternative to testing untestable code... [13:41] it's better to create the files in the home directory the first time the app is run [13:42] also, please use http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html [13:44] thanks, can you point me in the direction to create files on when the program is run the 1st time? [13:44] s/on/when/ [13:48] oh wait, nvm [14:08] alo all [14:22] hi not_found [14:27] hi uncle Kilos === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [14:57] hi Trixar_za welcome back [14:57] Thanks Kilos [15:59] wb smile [15:59] DigiGram, you on from home now? [16:00] hi Kilos :) thanks :p [16:07] aloha [16:08] hi oom Kilos, smile, Trixar_za, not_found, zeref [16:08] o/ nuvolari [16:08] lo nuvolari wen jy [16:08] Hi nuvolari [16:08] hi nuvolari :p [16:08] is he your uncle ;) [16:09] good evening [16:09] hi charlvn [16:09] hi charlvn [16:09] hi not_found [16:09] hi nuvolari [16:09] smile: not my uncle, but each of our's [16:09] :P [16:09] Maaz: coffee on [16:09] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [16:10] Maaz: coffee please [16:10] nuvolari: Yessir [16:10] Maaz, coffee please [16:10] Kilos: Sure [16:11] Maaz: weather rotterdam [16:11] charlvn: Too many places match rotterdam: Rotterdam, Netherlands and Rotterdam, New York [16:11] Maaz: weather rotterdam netherlands [16:11] charlvn: In Rotterdam, Netherlands at 5:55 PM CEST on August 15, 2012: 28°C; Humidity: 54%; Wind: ESE at 18 km/h; Conditions: Light Rain; Sunrise/set: 6:26 AM CEST/9:05 PM CEST; Moonrise/set: 3:58 AM CEST/7:33 PM CEST [16:11] * charlvn wants to die [16:11] nuvolari: lol :p [16:11] hi smile [16:11] Maaz: no coffee for me [16:11] smile: Huh? [16:11] charlvn: :) [16:11] * nuvolari hands charlvn a rope [16:11] smile: is it that warm in belgium too? [16:12] yeah :) exceptional [16:12] +- 32 degrees [16:12] i am half way dead [16:12] pick up my remains and scatter them across the ocean [16:12] the north sea preferably [16:12] :o [16:12] or lay me to rest in lapland [16:12] charlvn: too hot? :p [16:12] yeah [16:13] i am not good with this weather [16:13] they say it is going to get even worse [16:13] i can't imagine worse [16:13] Coffee's ready for charlvn, nuvolari and Kilos! [16:14] Maaz: thanks [16:14] charlvn: No problem [16:14] thanks maaz [16:14] pfft [16:14] Maaz: dankie [16:14] Groot plesier nuvolari my vriend [16:14] Maaz, ty\ [16:14] Kilos: *blink* [16:14] Maaz, ty [16:14] You are welcome Kilos [16:14] hi charlvn [16:14] hi Kilos [16:14] how's it going [16:14] gooood [16:15] glad to hear [16:15] nm working and my ibid working [16:15] im happy [16:15] i see we have a meeting upcoming monday? [16:16] 20th [16:16] * not_found is off that night so that is good news [16:16] lol [16:17] oh my thats only 5 days away [16:17] date didnt show here [16:17] inetpro, agenda planning time [16:18] smile: by the way, i am going to antwerpen soon for a day [16:18] any recommendations on what i can do while i am there? [16:18] i have the whole day free, i am just doing it for the lols [16:19] hehe [16:19] boys will be boys [16:22] charlvn: cool :) [16:22] charlvn: you can watch a movie :) ^^ [16:22] or visit "het paleis" [16:22] lol [16:22] "het paleis" <- toneel, don't know how to say it in English [16:23] :p [16:23] ah i see [16:23] nice [16:23] i think they just call it a "play" in english [16:23] ok :) [16:23] ^^ [16:24] charlvn: you can visit all the shops ;) [16:24] yeah that will be nice [16:24] and eat some real belgian frieten [16:24] and drink some belgian beer! [16:26] lol ;) [16:26] :) [16:26] charlvn: and of course buy some good belgian chocolate [16:26] :p [16:28] ah good one! [16:28] :) [16:31] ok i'm off to go do some offline stuff [16:31] have a good evening all! [16:31] ciao [16:32] c3 [16:39] he's gone :o [16:39] :p [16:39] https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/422312_263569703754246_1909875723_n.jpg <- good one if he's coming to belgium [16:39] :p [16:41] wow [16:41] awesome [16:41] met een paar homo's die daaronder douchen [16:42] anyone here who is in johannesburg next week and wishes to learn about peering etc [16:43] there is a free conference next week at the hilton [16:43] thats well worth attending [16:43] www.afpif.org [16:43] hmm [16:43] if it's going to be about aiming and firing, you can count me in [16:43] sounds way too mnuch like afpis [16:44] but Symmetria, i would have really liked it but i'm in CPT === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [17:36] heh, well, for anyone who is there, its honestly going to be well worth being there [17:36] you can put some of the big guns in the industry on the spot for one thing :P [17:36] because there are going to be some very very big names there [17:56] Maaz, seen magespawn [17:56] Kilos: magespawn was last seen 22 hours, 10 minutes and 45 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-08-14 21:45:25 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2012-08-14 22:03:24 SAST [17:56] oh my [17:56] that took long [17:56] Maaz, botsnack [17:56] Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well [17:56] woot [17:56] hope they energise bots [17:56] just landed the contract to help out another nren with design and implementation [17:56] * Symmetria is happy [17:57] good Symmetria will pay for new pc [17:57] heh would pay for a coupla those :P [17:57] my time when working up in Africa isnt cheap lol [17:57] hehe [17:59] heh Im generally charging around a thousand dollars a day excluding travel and accomodation [17:59] :p [17:59] whew [17:59] heh 21 day contract = worth a fortune [18:00] whew you might just be able to afford some Kentucky [18:00] Maaz: hello [18:00] Hello smile [18:00] :) [18:00] lol [18:01] Maaz: I wanna hug you [18:01] smile: What? 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