| ailo | So many problems this week, I feel like barfing.. | 00:53 |
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| === holstein_ is now known as holstein | ||
| smartboyhw | Hi! | 04:15 |
| holstein | o/ | 04:19 |
| * holstein is tired... about to crash... got a 6 day run here, and ive been on vaction too long.. im out of shape ;) | 04:19 | |
| * smartboyhw waves at holstein | 04:20 | |
| smartboyhw | holstein: Are you dead with the (tired...about to crash) message? | 04:38 |
| micahg | len-dt: looking over -settings, r134 seems a little weird, the xfhelp4.desktop is Xfce help, not Xubuntu help, I'm not sure you want to change that | 05:09 |
| smartboyhw | Hi micahg | 05:09 |
| * smartboyhw waves at micahg | 05:09 | |
| micahg | hi smartboyhw | 05:09 |
| len-dt | micahg, Are you telling me I forgot to change the text? | 05:16 |
| micahg | len-dt: no, I'm saying the change might be inadvertent or the wrong file might have been changed | 05:17 |
| len-dt | It was pointed at nothing before | 05:17 |
| len-dt | micahg, What I should do then is make a new desktop file and do it all US | 05:18 |
| len-dt | at this point it will have to wait for tomorrow or a later release as I do not have acces to the other machine. | 05:18 |
| micahg | len-dt: well, Xfce help is valid in US as well, you might want to alter the About Xubuntu if you had such a thing to say About UbuntuStudio | 05:18 |
| micahg | len-dt: I also noticed some menu file moves that weren't documented in the comments | 05:19 |
| len-dt | micahg, I don't think we have the xfce stuff to point to any more | 05:19 |
| micahg | I was wondering if they were inadvertent as well | 05:19 |
| len-dt | menu file or desktop file or position of instance in the menu file? | 05:20 |
| micahg | len-dt: ah, you should just rename xfhelp4.desktop to ushelp.desktop or something like that | 05:21 |
| len-dt | There should only be one menufile | 05:21 |
| len-dt | Ya, I think that would be best. I don't have access to the machine that is set up to do bzr though | 05:22 |
| micahg | ok, no rush | 05:22 |
| micahg | len-dt: when you get there, take a look at the output of 'bzr log -rtag:0.35.. -p', that's what I'm reviewing and you might see some interesting unexpected things | 05:23 |
| len-dt | I will redo the whole help section. And look through commit and comments vs diff | 05:23 |
| micahg | len-dt: I see why you did what you did, Xubuntu has a bug in it as well, the xfhelp4.desktop should be xubuntuhelp.desktop | 05:24 |
| * micahg takes a look at -look | 05:25 | |
| len-dt | micahg, That would be wrong too. It should be ubuntustudio-help.desktop | 05:25 |
| micahg | you can call it whatever you like as long as it doesn't collide with anything else :) | 05:25 |
| len-dt | It was left from last cycle. I just made it work | 05:26 |
| len-dt | That makes sense | 05:26 |
| micahg | len-dt: also, I don't think you want a mime type on the extra listings in the menu, those are to help other applications find what to open certain files with | 05:26 |
| micahg | len-dt: sorry to throw this all at you in IRC, but there's no merge proposal or bug to comment in | 05:27 |
| len-dt | micahg, thankyou I will do that. I just used a copy of the main software-center which as you point is wrong. | 05:27 |
| len-dt | I'm writng email to myself. | 05:28 |
| micahg | len-dt: well, cut and paste is a good start, over time you'll learn what you're cutting and pasting so you can edit it properly :) | 05:28 |
| len-dt | This cycle has been very much me learning | 05:28 |
| micahg | len-dt: you're doing great | 05:28 |
| len-dt | I hadn't done any coding at all for about 5 or 6 years. | 05:29 |
| micahg | len-dt: I'm still learning and I'm a core dev :) | 05:29 |
| len-dt | But I am mostly self taught anyway. | 05:29 |
| len-dt | micahg, when I finished tech school, I had learned two good things: this is just to get you going, never stop learning and "the more you know, the more you know you don't know" | 05:31 |
| * smartboyhw waves at len-dt | 05:33 | |
| len-dt | micahg, has the seeds to meta set up started working? | 05:34 |
| smartboyhw | Hi len-dt | 05:34 |
| len-dt | Hey smartboyhw | 05:35 |
| micahg | len-dt: no, I haven't got it working yet, I'll try to chat with cjwatson about it on Friday | 05:35 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: Is it that len-dt means desktop and len-nb means notebook? | 05:35 |
| len-dt | micahg, thankyou | 05:35 |
| len-dt | smartboyhw, desktop and netbook | 05:35 |
| smartboyhw | Oh, netbook | 05:36 |
| smartboyhw | I don't like netbooks | 05:36 |
| smartboyhw | Sorry, is there a Ubuntu Studio Twitter channel? | 05:36 |
| len-dt | smartboyhw, sometimes I use -live if I am testing a live dvd or 12.10 if I am testing that. | 05:36 |
| len-dt | twitter? whats that... for old ladies? | 05:37 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: That's a microblog | 05:37 |
| smartboyhw | You must be joking, man | 05:37 |
| len-dt | I haven't looked at those. | 05:37 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: Received my e-mail on call for testing? | 05:38 |
| smartboyhw | (Also applicable for micahg) | 05:38 |
| len-dt | Micah doesn't read our mail much. | 05:39 |
| smartboyhw | oh, does he? | 05:40 |
| len-dt | He is not really US so much as ubuntu | 05:40 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm | 05:40 |
| * micahg helps with uploads | 05:41 | |
| len-dt | He has enough to do already. | 05:41 |
| smartboyhw | Well, yep | 05:41 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: How's the ISO testing going? | 05:42 |
| len-dt | I did two today 12.04.1 and 12.10 both i386 | 05:42 |
| len-dt | It is pretty easy to find out just look at the archives on the testing site | 05:43 |
| smartboyhw | New 20120814.2 | 05:43 |
| len-dt | As long as we get one live and one install we are fine. | 05:43 |
| smartboyhw | For 12.04.1 | 05:43 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: I'm mainly focusing on 12.04.1 now, only do 12.10 testing after 12.04.1 release | 05:44 |
| len-dt | Whatever you have time for, thats what I am doing. Tomorrow I have to fix the stuff for Micah. | 05:45 |
| smartboyhw | OH! | 05:45 |
| smartboyhw | I will do some 12.04.1 testing to tonight | 05:45 |
| len-dt | Anyway, I am off to bed | 05:45 |
| smartboyhw | Got a maths class to go | 05:45 |
| smartboyhw | Bye, len-dt! | 05:46 |
| len-dt | Bye | 05:46 |
| micahg | len-dt: would like to try to clean up some lintian warnings in -look tomorrow, I can e-mail you the details? | 05:46 |
| len-dt | OK. | 05:47 |
| len-dt | do you need my address? | 05:47 |
| * len-dt thinks its all over everything I'v done | 05:48 | |
| micahg | len-dt: same one as in the changelog? | 05:48 |
| len-dt | Ya | 05:48 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: Where's the 12.04.1 changelog? Who's writing it again? I forgotton | 05:48 |
| smartboyhw | #forgotten | 05:48 |
| len-dt | smartboyhw, so far as I know we haven't done any changes to 12.04. The changes are the saem as for vanilla. | 05:49 |
| * len-dt goes to bed | 05:49 | |
| smartboyhw | It's stochastic's job | 05:50 |
| smartboyhw | bye, len-dt! | 05:50 |
| smartboyhw | micahg: Stii here? | 05:53 |
| micahg | smartboyhw: yes | 05:54 |
| smartboyhw | Away! | 05:54 |
| smartboyhw | Hi | 09:59 |
| * smartboyhw waves at falktx | 11:00 | |
| * falktx waves back at smartboyhw | 11:01 | |
| * smartboyhw waves at krtaylor | 11:35 | |
| smartboyhw | falktx: How are ya today? Happy with Ubuntu Studio? | 11:35 |
| falktx | smartboyhw: ok I guess, how are you? | 11:54 |
| smartboyhw | Fine! | 12:03 |
| smartboyhw | Tested another build of 12.04.1 | 12:03 |
| === smartboyhw is now known as silly_cloudysunn | ||
| === silly_cloudysunn is now known as smartboyhw | ||
| smartboyhw | That change nickname trick is a joke at #ubuntuforums, sorry! | 12:24 |
| === smartboyhw is now known as ubuntustudio-hw | ||
| === ubuntustudio-hw is now known as smartboyhw | ||
| === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw_us | ||
| * smartboyhw waves at Len-nb | 13:28 | |
| * smartboyhw waves at scott-work | 13:41 | |
| Len-nb | GM smartboyhw | 13:46 |
| smartboyhw | GE Len-nb | 13:46 |
| Len-nb | scott-work, I'm fixing all the lintian errors in the -look package left over from last cycle | 13:47 |
| Len-nb | There is one last one I am not sure about | 13:47 |
| Len-nb | No, I think I have got it. | 13:49 |
| smartboyhw | Len-nb: How is your testing | 13:50 |
| Len-nb | smartboyhw, I am not testing right now, bug fixing. | 13:52 |
| Len-nb | scott-work, the ubuntustudio-look package comes with a logo in the root directory but does not seem to install it. | 13:53 |
| Len-nb | scott-work, do you know where it is supposed to go? | 13:55 |
| Len-nb | or is it fine in the root directory? | 13:56 |
| smartboyhw | Len-nb: Maybe ScottL is too focused at work:) | 13:56 |
| Len-nb | smartboyhw, he will answer when he has time, no worries. | 13:57 |
| Len-nb | scott-work, actually, as far as I can tell the distributor-logo.png included in the -look package does not get installed. | 14:00 |
| Len-nb | micahg, is there any way to change the comment on a commit after the fact? | 14:18 |
| scott-work | Len-nb: i'll be honest, i was kludging things together in a bit of a vacuum and mashed together the existing ubuntustudio-look and xubuntu-default-settings packages, the distributor-logo.png in the root directory might not be needed at all | 14:34 |
| * smartboyhw waves at scott-work | 14:35 | |
| scott-work | hi smartboyhw | 14:35 |
| Len-nb | scott-work, ok, Ill look at some other flavours when I have time to see if I can find a use for it. | 14:35 |
| Len-nb | s/use/ use or need | 14:36 |
| scott-work | Len-nb: one thing i was supposed to work on with micah this cycle was having some of the images generated at build time, this might tie in to that as well | 14:38 |
| Len-nb | scott-work, I think you are thinking about the -settings package. | 14:38 |
| scott-work | ooooh, yeah. that is correct, sorry for the noise then, Len-nb ;) | 14:39 |
| Len-nb | scott-work, really we should put all our icons in /usr/share/icons | 14:40 |
| smartboyhw | Len-nb: I agree so that we can use it commonly | 14:40 |
| Len-nb | But that is more work than I have time for | 14:40 |
| scott-work | i am going out of town this weekend, but i think after that i will have some time and could look into this | 14:44 |
| smartboyhw | Er, OK | 14:44 |
| Len-nb | scott-work, ok... I will be having less time in the next few weeks. | 14:45 |
| * Len-nb may disappear for a week or so | 14:45 | |
| * smartboyhw may disappear for Ubuntu testing, server testing and mythbuntu testing | 14:47 | |
| scott-work | Len-nb: understandable, you have been working quite a bit on ubuntu studio this cycle | 14:47 |
| scott-work | Len-nb: smartboyhw: did you two manage to test 12.04.1 and report it? | 14:47 |
| smartboyhw | Tested today, didn't I | 14:47 |
| smartboyhw | Yep, I did | 14:47 |
| Len-nb | 2 or 3 times | 14:47 |
| smartboyhw | 1 only on 64-bit today | 14:47 |
| Len-nb | scott-work, has it froze? | 14:48 |
| smartboyhw | Should have been | 14:48 |
| scott-work | that's good :) thank you both for that | 14:49 |
| smartboyhw | :) I like testing, it's easier | 14:50 |
| holstein | *yawn* | 15:12 |
| * smartboyhw waves at holstein | 15:12 | |
| smartboyhw | Hi holstein | 15:15 |
| holstein | good day sir! | 15:15 |
| smartboyhw | Bye! | 15:32 |
| micahg | Len-nb: re commit comment> no, not really | 15:38 |
| Len-nb | Ok, when I fixed -look. I should have kept your comment. The last commit is really yours. | 15:40 |
| Len-nb | I hadn't realized you had made changes and did a merge. | 15:40 |
| Len-nb | micahg, I am sure I did it the wrong way. but not sure how to fix it. | 15:41 |
| micahg | Len-nb: what did you do? | 15:42 |
| Len-nb | I made fixes to my local branch of the -look package for the lintian problems then I couldn't push it. so I thought I would merge my fixes in... but it merged your fix to mine. | 15:43 |
| micahg | Len-nb: no, it's fine, just do a bzr pull next time before you starting committing | 15:43 |
| micahg | my changes and changelog are still in there | 15:44 |
| Len-nb | Yes, I figured that out. I normally check for changes, but didn't this time. | 15:44 |
| micahg | bzr log -r-1 -p --include-merges would show it | 15:44 |
| Len-nb | micahg, I am almost finished an email to explain the oddities in -settings | 15:46 |
| Len-nb | micahg, email sent | 15:53 |
| === knome_ is now known as knome | ||
| Len-nb | scott-work, got a minute? | 20:14 |
| Len-nb | I am just adding a ubuntustudio submenu to put our info, help etc in. | 20:15 |
| Len-nb | I was wondering if the xfce4-about item should be inside that menu as well. | 20:16 |
| Len-nb | scott-work, while you are answering that :) I would suggest calling the firefox branding item DONE with a note that shows these instead. | 20:22 |
| Len-nb | Unless you would prefer to leave it TODO in case someone else can figure it. | 20:23 |
| Len-nb | I would however, suggest to leave the home page alone as mozilla licencing could give us grief. | 20:23 |
| Len-nb | scott-work, after thinking about it for a bit, I don't think it makes sense to leave the xfce4-about item outside the submenu. So I will put it in. Tell me if I should remove it. | 20:25 |
| micahg | Len-nb: so, are both -look and -settings ready for another review? | 21:04 |
| Len-nb | sure | 21:04 |
| micahg | ok, will try to squeeze it in this week | 21:05 |
| Len-nb | micahg, OK | 21:05 |
| Len-nb | Thankyou | 21:05 |
| * astraljava cheers for Len-nb and micahg | 21:25 | |
| len-dt | astraljava, its mostly menu stuff. Some clean up from last cycle | 21:31 |
| astraljava | That's good. Last cycle was such a hassle, I couldn't wait to get out of it. :D | 21:32 |
| knome | it's the same with every cycle | 21:33 |
| astraljava | True, but maybe it was life outside of *ubuntu, but I was really tired of precise cycle. | 21:33 |
| len-dt | I would really like to see it uploaded so others can look at it all | 21:34 |
| len-dt | I would like opinions and comments | 21:34 |
| knome | astraljava, yeah, and you had to be so precise all the time... | 21:34 |
| len-dt | just a tad | 21:34 |
| astraljava | len-dt: Yea, it'd help. :) | 21:35 |
| astraljava | knome: I tried, but you know me... | 21:35 |
| knome | yeah. | 21:36 |
| knome | like saying jussi01 shouldn't laugh in 6 months. | 21:36 |
| len-dt | Question knome and astraljava , there is a blueprint item that says add release notes... is a pointer to our website cover that? | 21:37 |
| astraljava | len-dt: Yes, release notes can be on our website. | 21:38 |
| len-dt | Guess I should ask ailo if he is going to create such thing... | 21:38 |
| knome | that's what we're doing with xubuntu too. | 21:38 |
| len-dt | I think I will add a not to that effect | 21:38 |
| knome | paste the highlights to web, and point to the full tech release notes in the wiki | 21:38 |
| astraljava | len-dt: Are you referring to the point release of precise? Have we any changes other than updates to vanilla packages? | 21:39 |
| len-dt | As per the blue prints, I have created an info submenu. This is not for precise. | 21:39 |
| len-dt | Any changes for our prcice are from vanilla | 21:40 |
| len-dt | *precice | 21:40 |
| knome | that's where all the C's been going that have been missing from MY messages | 21:40 |
| astraljava | Right, so a very simple one saying that is needed for the point release. But we have plenty of time for the quantal notes. | 21:40 |
| astraljava | knome: I C. | 21:41 |
| knome | eww | 21:41 |
| knome | i hate that | 21:41 |
| knome | "I C Money" | 21:41 |
| len-dt | If you are like me it is from a distance | 21:41 |
| knome | lol | 21:41 |
| knome | i actually don't see a lot of money | 21:41 |
| knome | it's just the visa | 21:41 |
| astraljava | I have it, too. These days it's in eight pieces, as the people behind the registers tell me "There's no money!". | 21:42 |
| scott-work | len-dt: i'm not sure that having the xfce4-about adds that much to our distribution, i'm good either way of including it in the submenu or removing it | 21:43 |
| len-dt | scott-work, ok | 21:43 |
| len-dt | scott-work, I was thinking it should be there rether than on the main menu. | 21:43 |
| scott-work | len-dt: agreed | 21:43 |
| len-dt | scott-work, already commited... | 21:44 |
| len-dt | I'm trying to figure out how to put it all in the blue prints... what to make off. Though I have to wait for the upload to call it done. | 21:45 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Did you pay attention to reasons why the CDimage mails were held in the queue the last time? | 21:45 |
| len-dt | scott-work, I have marked firefox branding POSTPONED | 21:45 |
| scott-work | len-dt: if it isn't viable for us, then we can postpone it or forget it | 21:46 |
| scott-work | we probably should re-explore how we can provide this information to users if the submenu isn't enough | 21:46 |
| scott-work | astraljava: i have not | 21:46 |
| len-dt | scott-work, I don't know what to use to forget it unless I remove it from the BPs | 21:46 |
| scott-work | postponed is probably good enough | 21:47 |
| len-dt | OK done then | 21:48 |
| scott-work | we can not include it in next cycle's blueprints if it isn't working | 21:48 |
| scott-work | "isn't working" means we can't find a solution for the problem, not that "postponed" isn't working :P | 21:48 |
| len-dt | There are some legal aspects | 21:48 |
| len-dt | Ok, just moved about 5 BP items to my name as INPROGRESS pending release. | 21:52 |
| scott-work | yay! | 21:52 |
| astraljava | I know I still have the last meeting's logs to read, but what are the most urgent tasks to finish, re: precise point release AND quantal? | 21:55 |
| scott-work | astraljava: ooooh, ooooh, i vote the ubiquity plugin | 21:55 |
| astraljava | How are we doing with the -lowlatency for .1? Any updates on that? | 21:55 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Ok, I could work on that before FF. | 21:55 |
| scott-work | although there is word that the ubiquity plugin may be borked due to other changes, but i don't know the specifics | 21:56 |
| scott-work | maybe a quick discussion with stephan graber would clarify this | 21:56 |
| len-dt | ubiquity has changed a lot. One of the high points is that it tries to not copy things like itself to the users hard drive on install | 21:57 |
| len-dt | It used to copy everything and then do some package remove ops | 21:58 |
| len-dt | So it should be possible to have lots of apps on the live DVD/ISO and yet not install them all. Then have a post install part of the install (like there is for mp3 playing now) to install user chosen metas | 21:59 |
| scott-work | does anyone have any changes they feel that 12.04.1 *HAS* to have or can I tell -release and kate that we are good to go? | 22:00 |
| len-dt | This would be a ubiquity plugin | 22:00 |
| astraljava | scott-work: I'll ask him tomorrow, thanks for the heads-up! | 22:00 |
| scott-work | len-dt: i'm not sure we can add that to 12.04.1. | 22:01 |
| len-dt | scott-work, It would be really nice to have a new kernel... but really the big thing is that the user doesn't have close to 200 updates right after install | 22:01 |
| astraljava | len-dt: Yes, but from that, it doesn't sound like what I was planning to implement, anything really has changed. | 22:02 |
| * micahg was going to suggest kernel as well, but it's a moving target anyways | 22:02 | |
| micahg | i.e. as soon as you update, it's out of date, so meh | 22:02 |
| len-dt | 12.04 was really quite good. | 22:02 |
| scott-work | len-dt: agreed, but we are waiting for apw to meet his commitment on this | 22:02 |
| astraljava | micahg: True, but we haven't seen an update to -lowlatency on precise since the release. | 22:02 |
| scott-work | astraljava: i thought luke bumped it a few times | 22:03 |
| len-dt | nope | 22:03 |
| micahg | astraljava: right, so it probably has ~100+ CVEs open ATM, but you have to update that on a regular basis anyways, so if it missed the ISO, it won't make much of a difference | 22:03 |
| astraljava | Oh, well now that you mention it, I haven't run precise since May. Sorry for the noise. :-( | 22:03 |
| astraljava | micahg: Yes, I do understand that. | 22:04 |
| len-dt | I use it on both my machines, no new kernels. | 22:04 |
| * scott-work is embarrassed to say that he is just starting to really use it again | 22:04 | |
| scott-work | i installed it and that machine has set quietly alone for a while as i focused more on video | 22:05 |
| scott-work | but i'm started to demo songs again for a new album (with an actual mixer/masterer) | 22:05 |
| len-dt | So far I would be quite confident to run 12.10 on both when it comes out. | 22:05 |
| scott-work | len-dt: why do you say that "12.04 was really quite good" ? i'm curious | 22:05 |
| len-dt | perhaps it that 11.10 was ... but 12.04 seems to be really solid. | 22:06 |
| scott-work | hehe, yeah, 11.10 wasn't all that great | 22:07 |
| scott-work | half implemented xfce transition and all | 22:07 |
| scott-work | i do agree with you, len-dt | 22:07 |
| len-dt | I haven't had any issues on it. Jack does have its wee strangenesses still, but that is not our fix. | 22:07 |
| astraljava | len-dt: quantal has been the most stable devel cycle evah. | 22:07 |
| scott-work | i had really hoped that 12.04 would be a new water mark | 22:08 |
| scott-work | many felt that 8.04 was that pinnacle, and i really wanted 12.04 to replace that | 22:08 |
| astraljava | Dapper FTW! | 22:09 |
| len-dt | I'm still keeping 10.04 on a disk for gcdmaster. | 22:09 |
| scott-work | okay, time for me to go home | 22:09 |
| len-dt | I'm not happy with the way ardour deals with that | 22:10 |
| scott-work | well, pick up kids and then go home | 22:10 |
| len-dt | Bye | 22:10 |
| === holstein_ is now known as holstein | ||
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