[00:53] <ailo> So many problems this week, I feel like barfing..
[04:15] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[04:19] <holstein> o/
[04:19]  * holstein is tired... about to crash... got a 6 day run here, and ive been on vaction too long.. im out of shape ;)
[04:20]  * smartboyhw waves at holstein
[04:38] <smartboyhw> holstein: Are you dead with the (tired...about to crash) message?
[05:09] <micahg> len-dt: looking over -settings, r134 seems a little weird, the xfhelp4.desktop is Xfce help, not Xubuntu help, I'm not sure you want to change that
[05:09] <smartboyhw> Hi micahg
[05:09]  * smartboyhw waves at micahg
[05:09] <micahg> hi smartboyhw
[05:16] <len-dt> micahg, Are you telling me I forgot to change the text?
[05:17] <micahg> len-dt: no, I'm saying the change might be inadvertent or the wrong file might have been changed
[05:17] <len-dt> It was pointed at nothing before
[05:18] <len-dt> micahg, What I should do then is make a new desktop file and do it all US
[05:18] <len-dt> at this point it will have to wait for tomorrow or a later release as I do not have acces to the other machine.
[05:18] <micahg> len-dt: well, Xfce help is valid in US as well, you might want to alter the About Xubuntu if you had such a thing to say About UbuntuStudio
[05:19] <micahg> len-dt: I also noticed some menu file moves that weren't documented in the comments
[05:19] <len-dt> micahg, I don't think we have the xfce stuff to point to any more
[05:19] <micahg> I was wondering if they were inadvertent as well
[05:20] <len-dt> menu file or desktop file or position of instance in the menu file?
[05:21] <micahg> len-dt: ah, you should just rename xfhelp4.desktop to ushelp.desktop or something like that
[05:21] <len-dt> There should only be one menufile
[05:22] <len-dt> Ya, I think that would be best. I don't have access to the machine that is set up to do bzr though
[05:22] <micahg> ok, no rush
[05:23] <micahg> len-dt: when you get there, take a look at the output of 'bzr log -rtag:0.35.. -p', that's what I'm reviewing and you might see some interesting unexpected things
[05:23] <len-dt> I will redo the whole help section. And look through commit and comments vs diff
[05:24] <micahg> len-dt: I see why you did what you did, Xubuntu has a bug in it as well, the xfhelp4.desktop should be xubuntuhelp.desktop
[05:25]  * micahg takes a look at -look
[05:25] <len-dt> micahg, That would be wrong too. It should be ubuntustudio-help.desktop
[05:25] <micahg> you can call it whatever you like as long as it doesn't collide with anything else :)
[05:26] <len-dt> It was left from last cycle. I just made it work
[05:26] <len-dt> That makes sense
[05:26] <micahg> len-dt: also, I don't think you want a mime type on the extra listings in the menu, those are to help other applications find what to open certain files with
[05:27] <micahg> len-dt: sorry to throw this all at you in IRC, but there's no merge proposal or bug to comment in
[05:27] <len-dt> micahg, thankyou I will do that. I just used a copy of the main software-center which as you point is wrong.
[05:28] <len-dt> I'm writng email to myself.
[05:28] <micahg> len-dt: well, cut and paste is a good start, over time you'll learn what you're cutting and pasting so you can edit it properly :)
[05:28] <len-dt> This cycle has been very much me learning
[05:28] <micahg> len-dt: you're doing great
[05:29] <len-dt> I hadn't done any coding at all for about 5 or 6 years.
[05:29] <micahg> len-dt: I'm still learning and I'm a core dev :)
[05:29] <len-dt> But I am mostly self taught anyway.
[05:31] <len-dt> micahg, when I finished tech school, I had learned two good things: this is just to get you going, never stop learning and "the more you know, the more you know you don't know"
[05:33]  * smartboyhw waves at len-dt
[05:34] <len-dt> micahg, has the seeds to meta set up started working?
[05:34] <smartboyhw> Hi len-dt
[05:35] <len-dt> Hey smartboyhw 
[05:35] <micahg> len-dt: no, I haven't got it working yet, I'll try to chat with cjwatson about it on Friday
[05:35] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Is it that len-dt means desktop and len-nb means notebook?
[05:35] <len-dt> micahg, thankyou
[05:35] <len-dt> smartboyhw, desktop and netbook
[05:36] <smartboyhw> Oh, netbook
[05:36] <smartboyhw> I don't like netbooks
[05:36] <smartboyhw> Sorry, is there a Ubuntu Studio Twitter channel?
[05:36] <len-dt> smartboyhw, sometimes I use -live if I am testing a live dvd or 12.10 if I am testing that.
[05:37] <len-dt> twitter? whats that... for old ladies?
[05:37] <smartboyhw> len-dt: That's a microblog
[05:37] <smartboyhw> You must be joking, man
[05:37] <len-dt> I haven't looked at those.
[05:38] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Received my e-mail on call for testing?
[05:38] <smartboyhw> (Also applicable for micahg)
[05:39] <len-dt> Micah doesn't read our mail much.
[05:40] <smartboyhw> oh, does he?
[05:40] <len-dt> He is not really US so much as ubuntu
[05:40] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[05:41]  * micahg helps with uploads
[05:41] <len-dt> He has enough to do already.
[05:41] <smartboyhw> Well, yep
[05:42] <smartboyhw> len-dt: How's the ISO testing going?
[05:42] <len-dt> I did two today 12.04.1 and 12.10 both i386
[05:43] <len-dt>  It is pretty easy to find out just look at the archives on the testing site
[05:43] <smartboyhw> New 20120814.2
[05:43] <len-dt> As long as we get one live and one install we are fine.
[05:43] <smartboyhw> For 12.04.1
[05:44] <smartboyhw> len-dt: I'm mainly focusing on 12.04.1 now, only do 12.10 testing after 12.04.1 release
[05:45] <len-dt> Whatever you have time for, thats what I am doing. Tomorrow I have to fix the stuff for Micah.
[05:45] <smartboyhw> OH!
[05:45] <smartboyhw> I will do some 12.04.1 testing to tonight
[05:45] <len-dt> Anyway, I am off to bed
[05:45] <smartboyhw> Got a maths class to go
[05:46] <smartboyhw> Bye, len-dt!
[05:46] <len-dt> Bye
[05:46] <micahg> len-dt: would like to try to clean up some lintian warnings in -look tomorrow, I can e-mail you the details?
[05:47] <len-dt> OK.
[05:47] <len-dt> do you need my address?
[05:48]  * len-dt thinks its all over everything I'v done
[05:48] <micahg> len-dt: same one as in the changelog?
[05:48] <len-dt> Ya
[05:48] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Where's the 12.04.1 changelog? Who's writing it again? I forgotton
[05:48] <smartboyhw> #forgotten
[05:49] <len-dt> smartboyhw, so far as I know we haven't done any changes to 12.04. The changes are the saem as for vanilla.
[05:49]  * len-dt goes to bed
[05:50] <smartboyhw> It's stochastic's job
[05:50] <smartboyhw> bye, len-dt!
[05:53] <smartboyhw> micahg: Stii here?
[05:54] <micahg> smartboyhw: yes
[05:54] <smartboyhw> Away!
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Hi
[11:00]  * smartboyhw waves at falktx
[11:01]  * falktx waves back at smartboyhw
[11:35]  * smartboyhw waves at krtaylor
[11:35] <smartboyhw> falktx: How are ya today? Happy with Ubuntu Studio?
[11:54] <falktx> smartboyhw: ok I guess, how are you?
[12:03] <smartboyhw> Fine!
[12:03] <smartboyhw> Tested another build of 12.04.1
[12:24] <smartboyhw> That change nickname trick is a joke at #ubuntuforums, sorry!
[13:28]  * smartboyhw waves at Len-nb
[13:41]  * smartboyhw waves at scott-work
[13:46] <Len-nb> GM smartboyhw 
[13:46] <smartboyhw> GE Len-nb
[13:47] <Len-nb> scott-work, I'm fixing all the lintian errors in the -look package left over from last cycle
[13:47] <Len-nb> There is one last one I am not sure about
[13:49] <Len-nb> No, I think I have got it.
[13:50] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: How is your testing
[13:52] <Len-nb> smartboyhw, I am not testing right now, bug fixing.
[13:53] <Len-nb> scott-work, the ubuntustudio-look package comes with a logo in the root directory but does not seem to install it.
[13:55] <Len-nb> scott-work, do you know where it is supposed to go?
[13:56] <Len-nb> or is it fine in the root directory?
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: Maybe ScottL is too focused at work:)
[13:57] <Len-nb> smartboyhw, he will answer when he has time, no worries.
[14:00] <Len-nb> scott-work, actually, as far as I can tell the distributor-logo.png included in the -look package does not get installed.
[14:18] <Len-nb> micahg, is there any way to change the comment on a commit after the fact?
[14:34] <scott-work> Len-nb: i'll be honest, i was kludging things together in a bit of a vacuum and mashed together the existing ubuntustudio-look and xubuntu-default-settings packages, the distributor-logo.png in the root directory might not be needed at all
[14:35]  * smartboyhw waves at scott-work
[14:35] <scott-work> hi smartboyhw 
[14:35] <Len-nb> scott-work, ok, Ill look at some other flavours when I have time to see if I can find a use for it.
[14:36] <Len-nb> s/use/ use or need
[14:38] <scott-work> Len-nb: one thing i was supposed to work on with micah this cycle was having some of the images generated at build time, this might tie in to that as well
[14:38] <Len-nb> scott-work, I think you are thinking about the -settings package.
[14:39] <scott-work> ooooh, yeah. that is correct, sorry for the noise then, Len-nb  ;)
[14:40] <Len-nb> scott-work, really we should put all our icons in /usr/share/icons
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Len-nb: I agree so that we can use it commonly
[14:40] <Len-nb> But that is more work than I have time for
[14:44] <scott-work> i am going out of town this weekend, but i think after that i will have some time and could look into this
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Er, OK
[14:45] <Len-nb> scott-work, ok... I will be having less time in the next few weeks.
[14:45]  * Len-nb may disappear for a week or so
[14:47]  * smartboyhw may disappear for Ubuntu testing, server testing and mythbuntu testing
[14:47] <scott-work> Len-nb: understandable, you have been working quite a bit on ubuntu studio this cycle
[14:47] <scott-work> Len-nb: smartboyhw: did you two manage to test 12.04.1 and report it?
[14:47] <smartboyhw> Tested today, didn't I
[14:47] <smartboyhw> Yep, I did
[14:47] <Len-nb> 2 or 3 times
[14:47] <smartboyhw> 1 only on 64-bit today
[14:48] <Len-nb> scott-work, has it froze?
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Should have been
[14:49] <scott-work> that's good :) thank you both for that
[14:50] <smartboyhw> :) I like testing, it's easier
[15:12] <holstein> *yawn* 
[15:12]  * smartboyhw waves at holstein
[15:15] <smartboyhw> Hi holstein
[15:15] <holstein> good day sir!
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Bye!
[15:38] <micahg> Len-nb: re commit comment> no, not really
[15:40] <Len-nb> Ok, when I fixed -look. I should have kept your comment. The last commit is really yours.
[15:40] <Len-nb> I hadn't realized you had made changes and did a merge.
[15:41] <Len-nb> micahg, I am sure I did it the wrong way. but not sure how to fix it.
[15:42] <micahg> Len-nb: what did you do?
[15:43] <Len-nb> I made fixes to my local branch of the -look package for the lintian problems then I couldn't push it. so I thought I would merge my fixes in... but it merged your fix to mine.
[15:43] <micahg> Len-nb: no, it's fine, just do a bzr pull next time before you starting committing
[15:44] <micahg> my changes and changelog are still in there
[15:44] <Len-nb> Yes, I figured that out. I normally check for changes, but didn't this time.
[15:44] <micahg> bzr log -r-1 -p --include-merges would show it
[15:46] <Len-nb> micahg, I am almost finished an email to explain the oddities in -settings
[15:53] <Len-nb> micahg, email sent
[20:14] <Len-nb> scott-work, got a minute?
[20:15] <Len-nb> I am just adding a ubuntustudio submenu to put our info, help etc in.
[20:16] <Len-nb> I was wondering if the xfce4-about item should be inside that menu as well.
[20:22] <Len-nb> scott-work, while you are answering that :)  I would suggest calling the firefox branding item DONE with a note that shows these instead.
[20:23] <Len-nb> Unless you would prefer to leave it TODO in case someone else can figure it.
[20:23] <Len-nb> I would however, suggest to leave the home page alone as mozilla licencing could give us grief.
[20:25] <Len-nb> scott-work, after thinking about it for a bit, I don't think it makes sense to leave the xfce4-about item outside the submenu. So I will put it in. Tell me if I should remove it.
[21:04] <micahg> Len-nb: so, are both -look and -settings ready for another review?
[21:04] <Len-nb> sure
[21:05] <micahg> ok, will try to squeeze it in this week
[21:05] <Len-nb> micahg, OK
[21:05] <Len-nb> Thankyou
[21:25]  * astraljava cheers for Len-nb and micahg
[21:31] <len-dt> astraljava, its mostly menu stuff. Some clean up from last cycle
[21:32] <astraljava> That's good. Last cycle was such a hassle, I couldn't wait to get out of it. :D
[21:33] <knome> it's the same with every cycle
[21:33] <astraljava> True, but maybe it was life outside of *ubuntu, but I was really tired of precise cycle.
[21:34] <len-dt> I would really like to see it uploaded so others can look at it all
[21:34] <len-dt> I would like opinions and comments
[21:34] <knome> astraljava, yeah, and you had to be so precise all the time...
[21:34] <len-dt> just a tad
[21:35] <astraljava> len-dt: Yea, it'd help. :)
[21:35] <astraljava> knome: I tried, but you know me...
[21:36] <knome> yeah.
[21:36] <knome> like saying jussi01 shouldn't laugh in 6 months.
[21:37] <len-dt> Question knome and astraljava , there is a blueprint item that says add release notes... is a pointer to our website cover that?
[21:38] <astraljava> len-dt: Yes, release notes can be on our website.
[21:38] <len-dt> Guess I should ask ailo if he is going to create such thing...
[21:38] <knome> that's what we're doing with xubuntu too.
[21:38] <len-dt> I think I will add a not to that effect
[21:38] <knome> paste the highlights to web, and point to the full tech release notes in the wiki
[21:39] <astraljava> len-dt: Are you referring to the point release of precise? Have we any changes other than updates to vanilla packages?
[21:39] <len-dt> As per the blue prints, I have created an info submenu. This is not for precise.
[21:40] <len-dt> Any changes for our prcice are from vanilla
[21:40] <len-dt> *precice
[21:40] <knome> that's where all the C's been going that have been missing from MY messages
[21:40] <astraljava> Right, so a very simple one saying that is needed for the point release. But we have plenty of time for the quantal notes.
[21:41] <astraljava> knome: I C.
[21:41] <knome> eww
[21:41] <knome> i hate that
[21:41] <knome> "I C Money"
[21:41] <len-dt> If you are like me it is from a distance
[21:41] <knome> lol
[21:41] <knome> i actually don't see a lot of money
[21:41] <knome> it's just the visa
[21:42] <astraljava> I have it, too. These days it's in eight pieces, as the people behind the registers tell me "There's no money!".
[21:43] <scott-work> len-dt: i'm not sure that having the xfce4-about adds that much to our distribution, i'm good either way of including it in the submenu or removing it
[21:43] <len-dt> scott-work, ok
[21:43] <len-dt> scott-work, I was thinking it should be there rether than on the main menu.
[21:43] <scott-work> len-dt: agreed
[21:44] <len-dt> scott-work, already commited...
[21:45] <len-dt> I'm trying to figure out how to put it all in the blue prints... what to make off. Though I have to wait for the upload to call it done.
[21:45] <astraljava> scott-work: Did you pay attention to reasons why the CDimage mails were held in the queue the last time?
[21:45] <len-dt> scott-work, I have marked firefox branding POSTPONED
[21:46] <scott-work> len-dt: if it isn't viable for us, then we can postpone it or forget it
[21:46] <scott-work> we probably should re-explore how we can provide this information to users if the submenu isn't enough
[21:46] <scott-work> astraljava: i have not
[21:46] <len-dt> scott-work, I don't know what to use to forget it unless I remove it from the BPs
[21:47] <scott-work> postponed is probably good enough
[21:48] <len-dt> OK done then
[21:48] <scott-work> we can not include it in next cycle's blueprints if it isn't working
[21:48] <scott-work> "isn't working" means we can't find a solution for the problem, not that "postponed" isn't working :P
[21:48] <len-dt> There are some legal aspects
[21:52] <len-dt> Ok, just moved about 5 BP items to my name as INPROGRESS pending release.
[21:52] <scott-work> yay!
[21:55] <astraljava> I know I still have the last meeting's logs to read, but what are the most urgent tasks to finish, re: precise point release AND quantal?
[21:55] <scott-work> astraljava: ooooh, ooooh, i vote the ubiquity plugin
[21:55] <astraljava> How are we doing with the -lowlatency for .1? Any updates on that?
[21:55] <astraljava> scott-work: Ok, I could work on that before FF.
[21:56] <scott-work> although there is word that the ubiquity plugin may be borked due to other changes, but i don't know the specifics
[21:56] <scott-work> maybe a quick discussion with stephan graber would clarify this
[21:57] <len-dt> ubiquity has changed a lot. One of the high points is that it tries to not copy things like itself to the users hard drive on install
[21:58] <len-dt> It used to copy everything and then do some package remove ops
[21:59] <len-dt> So it should be possible to have lots of apps on the live DVD/ISO and yet not install them all. Then have a post install part of the install (like there is for mp3 playing now) to install user chosen metas
[22:00] <scott-work> does anyone have any changes they feel that 12.04.1 *HAS* to have or can I tell -release and kate that we are good to go?
[22:00] <len-dt> This would be a ubiquity plugin
[22:00] <astraljava> scott-work: I'll ask him tomorrow, thanks for the heads-up!
[22:01] <scott-work> len-dt: i'm not sure we can add that to 12.04.1.
[22:01] <len-dt> scott-work, It would be really nice to have a new kernel... but really the big thing is that the user doesn't have close to 200 updates right after install
[22:02] <astraljava> len-dt: Yes, but from that, it doesn't sound like what I was planning to implement, anything really has changed.
[22:02]  * micahg was going to suggest kernel as well, but it's a moving target anyways
[22:02] <micahg> i.e. as soon as you update, it's out of date, so meh
[22:02] <len-dt> 12.04 was really quite good.
[22:02] <scott-work> len-dt: agreed, but we are waiting for apw to meet his commitment on this
[22:02] <astraljava> micahg: True, but we haven't seen an update to -lowlatency on precise since the release.
[22:03] <scott-work> astraljava: i thought luke bumped it a few times
[22:03] <len-dt> nope
[22:03] <micahg> astraljava: right, so it probably has ~100+ CVEs open ATM, but you have to update that on a regular basis anyways, so if it missed the ISO, it won't make much of a difference
[22:03] <astraljava> Oh, well now that you mention it, I haven't run precise since May. Sorry for the noise. :-(
[22:04] <astraljava> micahg: Yes, I do understand that.
[22:04] <len-dt> I use it on both my machines, no new kernels.
[22:04]  * scott-work is embarrassed to say that he is just starting to really use it again
[22:05] <scott-work> i installed it and that machine has set quietly alone for a while as i focused more on video
[22:05] <scott-work> but i'm started to demo songs again for a new album (with an actual mixer/masterer)
[22:05] <len-dt> So far I would be quite confident to run 12.10 on both when it comes out.
[22:05] <scott-work> len-dt: why do you say that "12.04 was really quite good" ? i'm curious
[22:06] <len-dt> perhaps it that 11.10 was ... but 12.04 seems to be really solid.
[22:07] <scott-work> hehe, yeah, 11.10 wasn't all that great
[22:07] <scott-work> half implemented xfce transition and all
[22:07] <scott-work> i do agree with you, len-dt
[22:07] <len-dt> I haven't had any issues on it. Jack does have its wee strangenesses still, but that is not our fix.
[22:07] <astraljava> len-dt: quantal has been the most stable devel cycle evah.
[22:08] <scott-work> i had really hoped that 12.04 would be a new water mark
[22:08] <scott-work> many felt that 8.04 was that pinnacle, and i really wanted 12.04 to replace that
[22:09] <astraljava> Dapper FTW!
[22:09] <len-dt> I'm still keeping 10.04 on a disk for gcdmaster.
[22:09] <scott-work> okay, time for me to go home
[22:10] <len-dt> I'm not happy with the way ardour deals with that
[22:10] <scott-work> well, pick up kids and then go home
[22:10] <len-dt> Bye