[00:42] <FloatingGoat> hey
[00:42] <FloatingGoat> does ubuntu studio have
[00:42] <FloatingGoat> wubi
[00:52] <len-dt> FloatingGoat, do you mean on the ISO?
[00:52] <FloatingGoat> yeah yeah
[00:52] <FloatingGoat> I hav eno USB's
[00:52] <FloatingGoat> no DVD's
[00:52] <len-dt> Same as any Ubuntu.
[00:52] <FloatingGoat> and jack with regular ubuntu isnt
[00:53] <FloatingGoat> starting and its making me le mad
[00:53] <len-dt> Does it say why?
[00:53] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[00:53] <FloatingGoat> ill tell you
[00:54] <FloatingGoat> Tue Aug 14 19:53:52 2012: [1m[31mERROR: ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode[0m Tue Aug 14 19:53:52 2012: [1m[31mERROR: Cannot initialize driver[0m Tue Aug 14 19:53:52 2012: [1m[31mERROR: JackServer::Open() failed with -1[0m Tue Aug 14 19:53:52 2012: [1m[31mERROR: Failed to open server[0m Tue Aug 14 19:53:54 2012: Saving settings to "/home/randy/.config/jack/conf.xml" ...
[00:55] <len-dt> have you tried different devices?
[00:55] <len-dt> Are you using qjackctl to start jack
[00:56] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[00:56] <FloatingGoat> different devices?
[00:56] <FloatingGoat> what do you mean
[00:56] <len-dt> da you have more than one card?
[00:57] <FloatingGoat> I dont think so
[00:57] <len-dt> in a terminal what does aplay -l  print out?
[00:57] <FloatingGoat> card 0: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]   Subdevices: 1/1   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: Generic_1 [HD-Audio Generic], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]   Subdevices: 0/1   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[00:59] <FloatingGoat> I think there are more than one
[00:59] <len-dt> weird... to me. You may be pointing at the wrong device.
[00:59] <len-dt> Oh yes, you have more than one.
[01:00] <len-dt> card 0:3 is your video out.
[01:00] <len-dt> card 1:0 looks like what you want.
[01:00] <FloatingGoat> how do i get that one lol
[01:01] <len-dt> On the left side of qjackctl there is a setup with wrench
[01:01] <len-dt> Click on that
[01:01] <len-dt> You will get the setup dialog
[01:02] <len-dt> on the right side there is an interface selection
[01:02] <len-dt> it probably says (default)
[01:02] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[01:02] <FloatingGoat> yeah
[01:03] <len-dt> There is a > button beside that.
[01:03] <len-dt> click on that
[01:03] <FloatingGoat> DUDE
[01:03] <FloatingGoat> WHAT IS THIS TRICKERY
[01:03] <len-dt> select hw 1:0
[01:04] <FloatingGoat> okay i did that
[01:04] <FloatingGoat> and it still wont start
[01:04] <len-dt> The problem now is that you machine may boot different every time. So if it happens again check to see if your HW is now 0:0
[01:04] <len-dt> Ok what does it say now?
[01:05] <FloatingGoat> JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 60 Tue Aug 14 20:04:51 2012: [1m[31mERROR: Cannot lock down 82246176 byte memory area (Cannot allocate memory)[0m Tue Aug 14 20:04:51 2012: control device hw:1 Tue Aug 14 20:04:51 2012: control device hw:1 Tue Aug 14 20:04:51 2012: [1m[31mERROR: Failed to acquire device name : Audio1 error : Cannot allocate memory[0m Tue Aug 14 20:04:51 2012: [1m[31mERROR: Audio device hw:
[01:06] <len-dt> Ok... from your terminal try : ls /etc/security/limits.d
[01:07] <len-dt> What file does it say is there?
[01:07] <FloatingGoat> taudio.conf  audio.conf~
[01:07] <len-dt> With the t in front or is that a typo?
[01:07] <FloatingGoat> typo
[01:08] <len-dt> Are you in the audio group?
[01:10] <len-dt> cat /etc/group |grep audio
[01:10] <len-dt> Your user name should be there
[01:11] <FloatingGoat> audio:x:29:pulse
[01:11] <FloatingGoat> thats all
[01:11] <len-dt> That makes sense.
[01:11] <FloatingGoat> am I in there?
[01:12] <len-dt> No
[01:12] <FloatingGoat> oh O.O
[01:12] <FloatingGoat> how do i get in there
[01:12] <len-dt> I am trying to think how the proper way to add you is?
[01:12] <FloatingGoat> hmm
[01:12] <FloatingGoat> take to google?
[01:12] <len-dt> ailo, do you remember how to put a user in audio group?
[01:13] <FloatingGoat> I think i know how!
[01:14] <FloatingGoat> no
[01:14] <len-dt> You can open system -> users and groups from the main menu
[01:14] <FloatingGoat> yeah thats what i though
[01:15] <len-dt> I will be back in two minutes
[01:15] <FloatingGoat> okay
[01:18] <FloatingGoat> brb
[01:18] <len-dt> I think advanced settings
[01:20] <len-dt> user privileges select "use audio devices"
[01:22] <FloatingGoat_> THANK YOU SO MUCH! Yoo pretty much just saved my week!
[01:22] <FloatingGoat_> it works now!
[01:22] <len-dt> Great.
[01:24] <FloatingGoat_> you dont even know man
[01:24] <FloatingGoat_> I live in ND
[01:24] <FloatingGoat_> theres nothing to do here
[01:25] <FloatingGoat_> but i love playing my guitar with jack
[01:25] <FloatingGoat_> and it wasnt working
[01:28] <len-dt> Glad I could help.
[01:28] <len-dt> That is one of the things we had problems with in 11.10 I think.
[01:28] <len-dt> Ubuntustudio comes set up that way by default now.
[01:30] <FloatingGoat_> alright
[01:30] <FloatingGoat_> ill brb
[01:36] <ailo> len-dt: There are three ways. I usually use: 'sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER'. Another command I don't remember, and lastly, just adding the username to /etc/group
[01:36] <ailo> After audio, of course
[01:38] <len-dt> I didn't want someone hand editing...
[01:38] <len-dt> That is what I would have done though.
[01:39] <len-dt> We used the user utility in mainmenu->system
[01:39] <ailo> Vanilla Ubuntu, or rather, Gnome3 removed group administration from their user account manager
[01:39] <ailo> But, I guess that is still working fine in Xubuntu?
[01:40] <len-dt> Yeah, but it doesn't say "groups"
[01:40] <len-dt> I had a test user I could try it on..
[01:41] <len-dt> ailo, ecasound installs timidity :P
[01:41]  * len-dt wanted to look at Nama
[01:42] <ailo> I read the backscroll about Nama
[01:42] <ailo> Never thought about enabling blind people making audio
[01:42] <len-dt> timidity should be on our black list.
[01:42] <ailo> Why is that?
[01:42] <len-dt> It blocks both pulse and jack
[01:43] <ailo> After just installing it, or by running it?
[01:43] <len-dt> If it ever gets used.
[01:44] <ailo> Right now I'm reinstalling virtual versions of us for both archs. Had a problem with disk space
[01:44] <len-dt> someone is running a mid player on a long mid file and tries to do anything
[01:44] <ailo> hmm, never tried it
[01:44] <ailo> But I remember sometime seeing timidity in the alsa midi tab in qjackctl
[01:44] <len-dt> I removed it
[01:45] <len-dt> but it is still in the audio group :)
[01:45] <ailo> It adds itself to audio group during installation?
[01:45] <len-dt> Yes.
[01:45] <len-dt> it is listed after my user
[01:46] <ailo> That was something I suggested for the debian jackd package, but the consensus was that it was a bad idea
[01:46] <ailo> I tended to agree with that in the end
[01:46] <ailo> It would solve the whole realtime privilege problem though
[01:47] <ailo> This was on jack dev list, and on debian multimedia list
[01:47] <len-dt> I think a remote user could gain access
[01:48] <ailo> it wasn't because of security concerbns
[01:48] <ailo> jackd already asks the user whether to use realtime or not
[01:48] <ailo> the audio group would just be the missing link to making that choice, since doing that now is not making it happen
[01:49] <ailo> It works on debian though
[01:49] <ailo> On debian, the user is already a member of audio group
[01:49] <ailo> By default
[01:49] <len-dt> Any user? or just installing user?
[01:49] <ailo> It's a default group for all users
[01:49] <len-dt> I think Slackware used to be that way too.
[01:50] <ailo> But, now, PA is using audio group (I think)
[01:50] <len-dt> Yes.
[01:50] <ailo> But jackd only uses it to gain access to realtime privilege.
[01:50] <ailo> So, there should be another group added: realtime
[01:51] <ailo> Currently, firewire needs the audio group for permissions too
[01:51] <len-dt> I'll leave that for someone else to figure
[01:51] <ailo> I think it seems a little messy
[01:51] <ailo> Problem occurs on Ubuntu based systems
[01:51] <ailo> People install jackd, and they don't get realtime
[01:52] <ailo> It's a drag
[01:52] <len-dt> Have you looked at pulse 2.1
[01:52] <ailo> nope
[01:52] <len-dt> Supposed to be in Quanal
[01:53] <ailo> Something weird about the linux image source
[01:53] <ailo> The tarball can't be unpacked, cause there's something about symbolic links
[01:53] <len-dt> 3.4, 3.5 or?
[01:53] <ailo> 3.5
[01:53] <ailo> I solved it by installing linux-source
[01:54] <ailo> Which installes the source into /usr/src/
[01:54] <ailo> Also, there's the git source
[01:54] <ailo> I tell you, with all my computer problems, and all kinds of weird little obstacles, I haven't got anything done in a week almost
[01:54] <len-dt> Isn't that where it is supposed to be? Or are you trying to build more than one in diffeerent directory.
[01:55] <ailo> You can get the source to any package by doing: apt-get source <package>
[01:55] <ailo> As a user
[01:55] <ailo> linux-source is a package too
[01:55] <ailo> So, not the same thing
[01:56] <ailo> sudo apt-get install linux-source
[01:56] <len-dt> Ya, but you don't want to build it for that machine, so you want it somewhere else
[01:56] <ailo> Because of multiple problems, and trying to save some time, I'm making scripts to build multiple kernels for one arch at a time, using that arch for building
[01:57] <len-dt> It has been a long time since I built a kernel... before 2000 I think.
[01:57] <ailo> I'm planning on sleeping when the computer works, and hoping it's all done in the morning
[01:58] <len-dt> I remember having to have a "big" 20meg swap because 4meg ram wasn't enough
[01:59] <ailo> I just got 8GB RAM. Was running out of my 3GB quite often recently
[01:59] <ailo> Have space for 32 on this MB
[02:00] <len-dt> My max is 4 but I have 2.5
[02:00] <ailo> 512kb was kind of the norm for a while in the 80's
[02:01] <len-dt> I think I started Linux in early 90s
[02:02] <ailo> I think I tried it when I got my first PC, at around 2002, but since I wasn't really interested in computers, until a bit later, had no reason to get into it
[02:02] <len-dt> Yggdrasil... then slackware
[02:03] <len-dt> The first one even came with a "live"cd (and a floppy to start befoe that)
[02:03] <ailo> Didn't know they had live cd's already back then
[02:04] <len-dt> The live cd even had X on it.
[02:04] <ailo> Pretty state of the art
[02:04] <len-dt> It normally took two tries to get X going becasue it would time out with the time it took to get most of it into swap
[02:05] <len-dt> The second time most of it was already there...
[02:05] <len-dt> X needed 8 Meg ram/swap
[02:05] <len-dt> 4Meg of ram was $400
[02:07] <ailo> Got my first usb3 memory stick now as well, since I have usb3 on my new MB
[02:08] <ailo> Read speed is fast, but writing is still not too fancy
[02:08] <len-dt> How is it compared to a mechanical drive?
[02:08] <ailo> I read that linus has a system at home, which takes him something like 8 secs to build a kernel
[02:09] <ailo> I think SSD's are a lot faster then this usb stick
[02:09] <ailo> It wasn't the cheapest, but not that expensive either. Memory has really dropped in price this last couple of years
[02:10] <ailo> Takes me a bit less than an hour to build one kernel
[02:29] <len-dt> Sounds good. I am busy for  bit...
[04:15] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[07:51] <arunkumar413> when is visit the site https://staging.ubuntustudio.org/tour/video/  firefox says the connection is untrusted
[10:43] <smartboyhw> !install
[12:17]  * smartboyhw waves at MOSMarauder
[17:26] <cbx33> hey guys
[17:27] <cbx33>  is there a decent virtual midi keyboard, that i can play with the computer keyboard?
[17:28] <len-dt> There are two... I am not sure you would call them "decent" but they do work.
[17:29] <len-dt> there is the virtual midi keyboard and jack keyboard
[17:30] <len-dt> cbx33, the first outputs it's signal to alsa midi and the second to jack midi
[17:31] <cbx33> can alsa midi hook up to jack midi?
[17:31] <cbx33> as that's what I need
[17:31] <len-dt> use a2j
[17:31] <cbx33> a2j
[17:31] <cbx33> ok
[17:31] <cbx33> lemme try
[17:31] <len-dt> It makes all alsa i/os available in jack
[17:32] <cbx33> nice
[17:32] <len-dt> You may have to start it as a2jmidid and probably want the -e switch
[17:32] <len-dt> The -e switch pulls the external ports too
[17:33] <cbx33> nope a2j worked fine
[17:33] <cbx33> that's sweet
[17:34] <cbx33> are there any good free lv2 synths?
[17:34] <cbx33> long and the short of it, I used to run mainly with hardware, I had a Korg X5D and a few lexicon and behringer rack units
[17:34] <cbx33> but i want to do everything I can on PC now
[17:34] <len-dt> I am not the person to ask. I know there are some, but good is a metter of taste
[17:34] <cbx33> what do you use ubuntu studio for?
[17:35] <cbx33> last thing I used it for was doing the ubuntu start up sound in edgy :p
[17:35] <len-dt> I am a guitarist/bass player.
[17:35] <cbx33> sweet
[17:35] <cbx33> do you use any LADSPA effects?
[17:35] <cbx33> record much?
[17:35] <len-dt> don't record much, but I like guitarix
[17:36] <len-dt> I found out that I play so much better when I have an audience to play off of and some other players to sync with
[17:36] <len-dt> So I am mostly a live player.
[17:36] <cbx33> ahhh i totally agre with you
[17:36] <cbx33> i play drums/guitar and keyboard
[17:37] <cbx33> recently only drums really
[17:37] <cbx33> and I play SOOOO much better with other mucisicans
[17:37] <len-dt> I have not yet been happy with any recordings I have attempted.
[17:45] <moonshiner24mUK> im having troubles with a keystudio keyboard..
[17:46] <moonshiner24mUK> is there an alsa-midi monitoring program..
[17:46] <moonshiner24mUK> so a greenlight when it recieves a signal
[17:46] <len-dt> moonshiner24mUK, can you give me more details?
[17:46] <len-dt> qmidiroute includes some midi monitoring.
[17:46] <moonshiner24mUK> sure, i plug it in and am synth does nothing
[17:47] <len-dt> What do you think it should do? have you routed it to anything?
[17:53] <cbx33> anyone use any midi keyboard controllers on linux?
[17:53] <cbx33> if so, what :)
[17:54] <len-dt> cbx33, I happen to use an old DX7
[17:54] <cbx33> heh
[17:54] <cbx33> I'm looking at the Alesis QX49
[17:54] <cbx33> nice as it has faders too
[17:54] <cbx33> but I don't know whether it works under linux....
[17:54] <cbx33> can you teach ardour to use midi for the faders?
[17:54] <len-dt> Most USB KBs should show up in qjackctl's alsa panel
[17:54] <len-dt> As far as I know... ask on #ardour for better answer, it should.
[17:54] <cbx33> ok awesome I'll try that
[17:55] <len-dt> cbx33, what I do personally is take my netbook to the music store and try it in the store
[17:55] <cbx33> yeh, I was gonna buy online
[17:55] <cbx33> we don't have a lot of stores here
[17:55] <len-dt> Same here, but the one from a bigger chain is pretty good about such things
[17:56] <moonshiner24mUK> sorry, coffee break
[17:56] <moonshiner24mUK> back though
[17:57] <moonshiner24mUK> i need a way of testing that the keyboard is work.
[17:57] <moonshiner24mUK> easiest way of getting a sound out of this thing?
[17:57] <len-dt> Oh ya moonshiner24mUK, I was asking how you routed it.
[17:57] <moonshiner24mUK> jack
[17:58] <moonshiner24mUK> jack in to through out
[17:58] <moonshiner24mUK> im thinkiong that what jack does is awsome
[17:58] <moonshiner24mUK> but how it does it sux
[17:58] <len-dt> amsynth uses jack midi?
[17:58] <moonshiner24mUK> for now can i test it in a alsa midi app?
[17:59] <moonshiner24mUK> it can do
[17:59] <len-dt> Yes
[17:59] <moonshiner24mUK> but on alsa it makes no sound
[18:00] <len-dt> Ok, if I start hexter in standalone, it has its output connected to jack out and the input is unconnected in the alsa patch
[18:00] <moonshiner24mUK> is there any app with a midi blinking light to say that its recieving a midi signal
[18:01] <len-dt> I'd have to look at them all?
[18:01] <len-dt> Hyrdro gen does but it is hard to set up for midi in.
[18:03] <len-dt> qmidiroute has an event log window
[18:03] <moonshiner24mUK> ithankyou.. hydrogen is best for alsa debugging
[18:03] <moonshiner24mUK> fired up
[18:03] <moonshiner24mUK> selected alsa input and i was away!
[18:07] <moonshiner24mUK> to get am synth running, i need to point to my OSS device... which sux
[18:08] <len-dt> What does amsynth have that other synths don't?
[18:08] <moonshiner24mUK> what would it be called. its somewhere in the dev folder
[18:09] <moonshiner24mUK> visa vi - an alsa midi device selection box
[18:09] <len-dt> I am not sure, OSS is not something I have used for a long time
[18:09] <moonshiner24mUK> ok, otherwise a AM synth how to?
[18:09] <moonshiner24mUK> confirmed working keyboard
[18:11] <len-dt> amsynth's web page says it should work with "OSS, ALSA and JACK for Audio / MIDI I/O"
[18:17] <len-dt> moonshiner24mUK, OSS devices are /dev/dsp0 to /dev/dsp* depending on how many you have?
[18:20] <len-dt> check out http://manuals.opensound.com/developer/oss_devices.html
[20:00] <cbx33> how do people here save/load their sessions these days