[00:00] <libresource> lol
[00:00] <knome> the decision is not as easy as changing your wallpaper on a single installation
[00:00] <knome> imagine that we choose the defaults for thousands - if not tens or hundreds of thousands of users and pc's
[00:01] <knome> i do think that tutorial is good for new users, and i see why a group of people would want to do those modifications
[00:01] <knome> fortunately it only takes 5 minutes, not 5 days
[00:01] <libresource> stability is why is use *buntu, rather than others, so I am beginning to understand #1, thank you for your time
[00:02] <knome> no problem, and enjoy xubuntu
[00:02] <libresource> take care
[01:04] <neodragon> hello I am trying to use xubuntu 12.04 amd64. I successfully installed it and it works fine in the live environment on the disk, but when I go to boot the fresh install for the first time, after the BIOS post it just goes to a blank screen. I have a nvidia gt 430 1GB pci express with an AMD Phenom II X4 with 4GB of RAM, I have installed other distros on it and they work fine
[03:20] <burner> help!  I went to quantal and lost my gtk theme and i can't use hotkeys either... what happened?
[03:20] <knome> lost your gtk theme?
[03:20] <burner> i was using the xfce 4.10 precise ppa before upgrade... think that borked me?
[03:20] <burner> it's back to the default theme... and no matter hwat i change it to, it doesn't change
[03:20] <knome> possibly; that isn't officially supported
[03:23] <knome> burner, did you enable the root account?
[03:23] <xubuntu501> hello every one.....
[03:23] <knome> xubuntu501, hullo
[03:23] <xubuntu501> can I ask a question for help? it is my first time here
[03:24] <knome> xubuntu501, sure; just ask and we'll reply (as soon as we are around) if we know the answer
[03:24] <burner> knome: ?  http://burner.ath.cx/screenshot-quantal.png
[03:25] <knome> burner, if you don't know what i'm talking about, good. enabling the root account will most probably mess the system up. plus, that link doesn't seem to be loading.
[03:25] <knome> burner, maybe try http://imagebin.org/
[03:26] <burner> http://67.190.86.251/screenshot-quantal.png
[03:26] <burner> it's my dyndns that didn't update
[03:26] <xubuntu501> ok...I just purchases 3 Acer netbooks to dend to friendes un Colombia...they have OSs of Win XP & Win 7, but none have Win 7 Ulyimate and cannot be run in Spanish, so I just burned an Xbuntu 12.04 ISO to install....or run LiveCD first to check it out.
[03:26] <burner> xubuntu501: netbook + live CD?  y not live usb?
[03:27] <knome> burner, that's weird. are you starting the settings manager with root or sth?
[03:27] <knome> burner, err, sudo
[03:27] <xubuntu501> I plugged in an ext DVD drive and hit F2  during Win XP boot up, and changed boot squence to the DVD drive, and saved and escaped. But it still boots into Windows. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?
[03:28] <knome> xubuntu501, are you sure the image is burned correctly?
[03:29] <burner> knome: i don't think so... how can i just clear it and start over with the settings?  .config somewhere i presume... /me inspects
[03:29]  * burner really wants alt+f2 back
[03:29] <xubuntu501> no I am not sure ther ISO is burned correctly....how can I check?
[03:30] <knome> burner, i'd imagine .config/xfce4 could be a good start. but backup first!
[03:30] <knome> burner, and maybe try delling .cache first too
[03:30] <knome> xubuntu501, in windows, can you see the disc mounted?
[03:30] <knome> xubuntu501, if you browse the files inside the disc, what do you see?
[03:38] <xubuntu501> hi...I burned the ISO on a new iMac....and when I clivk on it in Finder it says it cannot open it because there is "no mountable file system?
[03:39] <xubuntu501> that  was supposed to be quotes, not a question mark
[03:39] <knome> that doesn't sound too good
[03:39] <knome> just to be sure:
[03:40] <xubuntu501> can I do this withn a Mac?  and then use the ISO on a Win machine?
[03:40] <knome> did you select from your burning application to "burn an existing ISO to disc" or something like that?
[03:40] <knome> yes, it shouldn't matter which system burned the iso
[03:41] <xubuntu501> can I burn it on a Mac and use the disc in a PC?
[03:41] <knome> yes
[03:41] <xubuntu501> can I burn the ISO disc opn a Max and use it in a PC?
[03:41] <knome> yes, yes and yes :)
[03:42] <xubuntu501> can I burn the ISO disc on a Mac and use it in a PC?
[03:43] <xubuntu501> can I burn the ISO disc on a Mac and use it in a PC?
[03:43] <knome> yes; please stop repeating
[03:48] <sambagirl> can I burn the ISO disc opn a Max and use it in a PC?
[03:48] <sambagirl> can I burn the ISO disc opn a Max and use it in a PC?
[03:48] <bazhang> sambagirl, dont do that
[03:48]  * sambagirl laughs
[03:49]  * knome looks at sambagirl without a twitch in the face
[03:49] <knome> *blink*
[03:49] <sambagirl> i think knome is undercover spy for kde :D
[03:49] <knome> i don't think so...
[03:50] <sambagirl> what tipped me off was the K instead of G, so that other KDE spies can recognize their undercover spy :D
[04:02] <Viva_Caligula> ./nick Viva_Calikula
[06:23] <Ofloo> hi, I don't know what it is called so I can't really look for it on google, but in freebsd you got these install blue console install screens, .. but for some reason they don't look right using ssh in xubuntu what could be the cause i'm think xterm but i don't see any weird options..
[06:25] <Ofloo> i think it has to do with vt100 and vt102
[06:28] <astraljava> I don't really know either, from that description. What do they do?
[06:29] <Unit193> Type  echo $TERM
[06:30] <Ofloo> Regards, Geekshells
[06:30] <Ofloo> sorry
[06:31] <Ofloo> http://postimage.org/image/5ytxxu3w7/
[06:31] <Ofloo> that's it
[06:31] <Ofloo> the variable is empty
[06:32] <Ofloo> it has always been ok in other consoles but i recently changed to xubuntu and i'm not sure how i can change it
[06:32] <Ofloo> it's like it's missing yellow or something
[06:37] <Unit193> What version are you running?
[06:37] <Ofloo> the latest lts
[06:37] <Ofloo> precise
[06:37] <Ofloo> or something
[06:38] <Unit193> Weird, but you can export that in your .bashrc  export TERM=xterm  or even in /etc/bash.bashrc
[06:38] <Ofloo> it says ubuntu in lsb_release -a but in fact it is xubuntu
[06:38] <Ofloo> Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS
[06:38] <Ofloo> Terminal 0.4.8
[06:39] <Unit193> (Drop the export in the bashrc, that's the command there)
[06:42] <Ofloo> hmm, there is some crap about color in bashrc just disabled and and enabled it but has no effect
[06:43] <Ofloo> well it had effect on the local terminal, .. however how it showed the ssh session didn't change
[06:52] <neodragon> I have installed Xubuntu 12.04 amd64 on my PC with AMD Phenom II X4, nvidia gt 430 1GB video and 4GB of RAM. The install finishes successfully and the trying out the live CD works perfectly, but for some reason when I go to boot into my install for the first time all I get is a blank screen once the BIOS post is complete, when I should be seeing the Xubuntu boot screen. Any help with this would be much appreciated
[06:55] <baizon> neodragon: did you set your partition bootable?
[06:56] <neodragon> yes, in fact in the past if I have ever forgotten to do that I get a boot disk error, which I am not getting in this case
[06:59] <neodragon> my apologies, I forgot a step, when it boots I see th BIOS post and then the grub boot menu and let it pick Xubuntu by default and when it goes to boot inot Xubuntu that when I get the blank screen. Sorry for forgetting that
[07:00] <neodragon> into not inot
[07:03] <baizon> neodragon: ok
[07:04] <baizon> try to edit grub and add nomodeset
[07:04] <baizon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[07:07] <neodragon> baizon: so you think the modesetting on the nvidia card is messing the the boot process
[07:07] <baizon> my xubuntu wasnt booting because of plymouth and graphics drivers
[07:07] <baizon> that fixed my problem
[07:09] <neodragon> OK then I will do that and see how that works, thanks for the link and information
[07:13] <baizon> np
[08:46] <Ofloo> hi been looking for this all week how do i enable this plenty of howto's on how to disable it in ubuntu but how do enable or add this to xubuntu http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/10/17/guest-session-and-user-management-in-ubuntu-11-10/
[08:46] <Ofloo> or at least a button that enables me to launch guest session directly from a user without having to log out then login ..
[08:48] <Sysi> if you lock screen you get button to get to login screen
[08:49] <davidgul> hello
[08:50] <davidgul> i have ubuntu server and i install xubuntu desktop on it but i wont to remove the auto login screen so i can login from the console and then start xfce or just work in the console
[08:51] <Sysi> davidgul: sudo apt-get purge lightdm
[08:51] <davidgul> Sysi : thank you very much
[08:52] <Sysi> np
[09:56] <davidgul> hi guys
[09:57] <davidgul> how can i remove xorg with xfce from my system ?
[09:58] <codemaniac> hi davidgul
[09:58] <knome> davidgul, do you understand that wouuld mean there is *no* graphical interface at all on your system?
[09:58] <davidgul> knome : this is what i wont
[09:59] <davidgul> i wont to use consul only
[09:59] <knome> davidgul, in that case, just remove the "xorg" package
[09:59] <Sysi> !purekde
[10:00] <knome> Sysi, wait... what? :D
[10:00] <Sysi> there's a line for removing entire xubuntu desktop
[10:00] <Sysi> though just xfce packages is much less
[10:01] <knome> Sysi, that doesn't seem to uninstall xorg though
[10:01] <davidgul> ubottu : this is the error i gut The following packages have unmet dependencies:  gcj-jre : Depends: gcj-4.6-jre (>= 4.6.3-1~) but it is not going to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[10:01] <Sysi> there are tons of xorg packages, I don't know how many of them will be removed as dependencies
[10:02] <knome> i'd imagine not even the core; you are just purging the *DE* :)
[10:03] <Sysi> yeah, you need to remove xorg separately but if you want totally rid of DE
[10:05] <Sysi> I have 4.8 on fedora and I've had several crashes
[10:06] <Sysi> aannd wrong channel
[10:07] <knome> heh :)
[10:34] <xubuntu257> hello
[10:34] <xubuntu257> is tehere anyone here ?
[10:34] <sagaci> yup
[10:34] <xubuntu257> ah cool !
[10:34] <xubuntu257> english speaker ?
[10:35] <TheSheep> we only speak english hee
[10:35] <TheSheep> here
[10:35] <xubuntu257> alright
[10:35] <xubuntu257> (I'm french)
[10:35] <xubuntu257> Could you help me out  ?
[10:35] <TheSheep> nope
[10:35] <TheSheep> we don't know what is the problem
[10:36] <aquix> and barely so :p
[10:36] <xubuntu257> I'm trying to install voyager and I'm encountering small problems
[10:37] <TheSheep> you need to describe your problems, then, if anybody knows the solution, they will tell you
[10:37] <xubuntu257> first of wich is that it's taking forever, I'm not sure wether it's normal
[10:37] <TheSheep> what is taking forever?
[10:38] <xubuntu257> the install
[10:39] <TheSheep> is it any particular step that is slow?
[10:40] <xubuntu257> yes, the step after the part where you choose the password for the main user
[10:41] <TheSheep> is it when it is downloading upgrades from the internet?
[10:42] <xubuntu257> then it launches a window that tells you how great voyager is (which it actually is), but it's been showing that window forever
[10:42] <xubuntu257> and the thing is, I'm actually able to use the PC, since I'm connected to this chan with it
[10:42] <TheSheep> wait, voyager?
[10:42] <xubuntu257> yep
[10:42] <TheSheep> what is that?
[10:43] <xubuntu257> http://voyager.legtux.org/
[10:45] <xubuntu257> don't you know that version ?
[10:45] <TheSheep> no, first time I hear about it
[10:45] <TheSheep> looks like they took xubuntu and modified it
[10:45] <xubuntu257> exactly
[10:45] <xubuntu257> it's pretty nice
[10:46] <xubuntu257> and usually it work just fine
[10:46] <xubuntu257> but here, I'm doing it for a friend, on her Eee PC
[10:46] <knome> xubuntu257, voyager is not supported in this channel, because it is not a xubuntu "product"
[10:47] <xubuntu257> I did it a few days ago, but then something went wrong as she was using it : her password is not recognized anymore, so I started re-installing
[10:47] <Ofloo> ?
[10:47] <knome> Ofloo?
[10:47] <Ofloo> isn't it just xubuntu with some theme?
[10:47] <xubuntu257> ok then, I'll go somewhere else, soory lads and have a nice one
[10:48] <TheSheep> xubuntu257: wait
[10:48] <xubuntu257> ok*
[10:48] <xubuntu257> i'll wait :)
[10:48] <TheSheep> xubuntu257: we can't help with the modifications they did, but if it's still mostly xubuntu, then what we know will still apply
[10:49] <xubuntu257> that's what i thought, but i'm kind of newbie on linux
[10:49] <Ofloo> are you doing a migration?
[10:49] <knome> Ofloo, i think voyager also does some other modifications, but the general policy is that xubuntu derivatives aren't *officially* supported
[10:49] <xubuntu257> no, complete instll
[10:49] <Ofloo> cause i'm doing an migration of xubuntu from 11 to 12 and it's stuck as well
[10:49] <Ofloo> while new install worked just fine
[10:49] <knome> Ofloo, note that the .xx in the version number is also meaningful
[10:49] <Ofloo> migration maybe upgrade is better
[10:50] <Ofloo> knome: i was just wondering
[10:50] <knome> eg. there is no "xubuntu 11", it's either "xubuntu 11.04" or "xubuntu 11.10" :)
[10:50] <Ofloo> i beleve it was .10
[10:50] <Ofloo> but it doesn't matter i'll just do a clean install
[10:50] <Ofloo> not really looking for support on that though
[10:50] <knome> upgrade should work too though
[10:51] <xubuntu257> i had a migration problem too last month, but I forced it (shut down brutally when it was stuck, and it started just fine after that)
[10:51] <Ofloo> oh, .. right
[10:51] <Ofloo> bbs going to cut the power :p
[10:51] <TheSheep> xubuntu257: that doesn't sound too good, maybe there is a hardware problem?
[10:51] <xubuntu257> maybe, dunno
[10:51] <xubuntu257> i was given the computer on which i did it
[10:51] <TheSheep> xubuntu257: can you open a terminal, or do you need to wait for the install to finish?
[10:52] <xubuntu257> some old geezer was using it for "weird" activities
[10:52] <xubuntu257> it's actually just finished now, a window just popped up
[10:53] <xubuntu257> so I guess I bothered you for nothing...
[10:53] <xubuntu257> sorry, my bad
[10:53] <xubuntu257> but it still took forever, maybe the eeepc is a bit "weak"
[10:54] <knome> the eeepc's aren't the most powerful, but even then, stuff should go through if you just wait
[10:54] <TheSheep> eeepc are usually rather slow
[10:54] <xubuntu257> i'm gonna have to leave, i need to restart the system, but thank you (really) for your time and help
[10:55] <TheSheep> no problem, good luck
[10:55] <xubuntu257> you should take a look at "voyager", it really is a pretty cool system
[10:55] <xubuntu257> cheers !!!!
[14:07] <knome> Xubuntu community meeting in about an hour at #xubuntu-devel. Everybody welcome! Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[14:36] <xubuntu476> hola alguien lee estas lineas?
[14:38] <Pici> !es | xubuntu476
[14:40] <xubuntu476> thanks! I not speak english very well
[14:46] <Viva_Caligula> lame, ##linux requires a registered nick
[14:46] <Viva_Caligula> I don't some to freenode enough to justify it
[14:46] <knome> Viva_Caligula, this is not the correct place to complain about it
[14:47] <Viva_Caligula> just a comment
[14:47] <Viva_Caligula> nickserv here doesn't have glist and group o_O
[14:49] <en1gma> how do you remaster a live xubuntu cd from an installed xubuntu hdd install?
[14:50] <en1gma> there is a program called remastersys but it dont work with xubuntu and its WM
[14:51] <Viva_Caligula> you need the .iso of an install disk
[14:51] <en1gma> and then chroot into that?
[14:51] <en1gma> is there a good guide on how to do this with xubunut?
[14:52] <Viva_Caligula> trying searching with ubuntu, you'll get more hits and the same things apply
[14:52] <en1gma> when i search with ubuntu i get an app called remastersys
[14:53] <en1gma> and it dont work with xubuntu
[14:53] <Viva_Caligula> if it'll run under ubuntu, it runs in xubuntu as well
[14:53] <en1gma> nope
[14:53] <en1gma> i already checked thats why im here
[14:53] <en1gma> something to do with its WM
[14:54] <Viva_Caligula> is it in the repository, or is it a program you found in some random place?
[14:54] <en1gma> its a program with an irc channel. its called "Remastersys"
[14:54] <Viva_Caligula> that's not what I asked
[14:54] <en1gma> its well known but xubuntu WM breaks it
[14:55] <en1gma> there is nothing in xubuntu repor that remasters isos that i am aware of? are you?
[14:57] <en1gma> if i switch to ubuntu ot kubuntu i wont have this problem (remastersys) will work but i really dont like unity or kde
[15:22] <vanagon> Hi, I have a bluetooth headset paired as a "headset device", and shows up as being correctly connected in blueman.  However, the device doesn't show up in pavucontrol.  How is a headset configured under Xubuntu?  (I want to use it for skype.)  Thanks for any help!!
[15:24] <holstein> vanagon: i would just try configuring in skype.. does it show there?
[15:24] <vanagon> no, it just takes me to pulseaudio setings
[15:24] <vanagon> (annoying, since it let's me configure a usb webcam directly)
[15:25] <holstein> it?.. in skype you get re-directed to pulseaudio setting?
[15:26] <holstein> interesting... i do not have any bluetooth hardware to test with on the PC...
[15:27] <vanagon> yes, under skype configuration, the sound section just has buttons to open the pulseaudio volume control.
[15:29] <holstein> i suppose i would try and take skype out of the equation.. i would try and get the BT working somewhere else first
[15:30] <vanagon> it doesn't work anywhere, in the sense that the pulseaudio system doesn't recognize it.  I can't use it as an input/output device for any sound.
[15:30] <vanagon> I'm starting to wonder whether 12.04 works with bluetooth headsets at all.  I'm finding some forum posts with the same problem, and have yet to see a report where someone has it working...
[15:31] <holstein> i would trust no reports.. one issue is, maybe neither you nor i understand how to configure BT in XFCE.. i know i dont since i dont have the hardware
[15:32] <holstein> i might consider trying the main ubuntu live CD just to see what it looks like ther
[15:32] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/107277/how-do-i-switch-to-another-audio-output-sink-in-xfce sure makes it seem like the BT device will be in pavucontrol
[15:33] <holstein> how about in the terminal when you run aplay -l or arecord -l ?
[15:33] <vanagon> good idea.  That doesn't list it either.
[15:34] <vanagon> So maybe this is not a problem with pulseaudio then?
[15:34] <holstein> then, i suppose it could be not pairing, or showing up...
[15:34] <holstein> vanagon: im ust throwing out some troubleshootin ideas.. i dont have any good thoughts on what it could be yet
[15:34] <vanagon> yeah, but blueman is showing it with a good connection.  It even shows a bit rate!
[15:35] <holstein> vanagon: ive been meaning to grab some BT usb device so i can test and be more helpful
[15:35] <vanagon> of course!  I appreciate it
[15:35] <vanagon> sure.  Or maybe someone will pipe in that has a device hooked up already...
[15:35] <GridCube> vanagon, you could try to install gnome-bluetooth using --no-install-recommend from apt-get and see if it works
[15:37] <en1gma> i cant believe i have to dload and install ubuntu because remastersys dont work with xubuntu because of its WM. it would be great if someone would get with the peopke in #remastersys and get this fixed so i wouldnt have to use crappy unity
[15:37] <vanagon> GridCube: trying it now
[15:37] <vanagon> GridCube: do you know how I run this thing?
[15:38] <GridCube> it should be under configuration or accesories
[15:38] <holstein> en1gma: maybe you can volunteer :)
[15:38] <GridCube> but i imagine it wont launch sadly, it deppends on gnome too much
[15:38] <vanagon> yeah didn't run
[15:38] <holstein> vanagon: you can try launching from the terminal and seeing the errors
[15:39] <GridCube> blueman does recognises it vanagon ?
[15:39] <vanagon> I think I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of getting this to run since its a dependency issue
[15:39] <en1gma> holstein im doing my part. im trying to get someone from here to talk to peoplle in #remastersys to get remastersys working with xubuntu
[15:40] <vanagon> yeah blueman pairs the device and shows it as having a good connection
[15:40] <en1gma> its stupid to have to switch distros because xubuntu is the only one it dont work with
[15:40] <GridCube> en1gma, why is that?
[15:40] <en1gma> when i talked to the devs in #remastersys they say it is because of xubuntu default WM
[15:40] <en1gma> and they will no longer try to get it working
[15:41] <GridCube> O_o
[15:41] <holstein> en1gma: you are from here... its not something i would expect this team to be able to deal with.. the UI is XFCE.. XFCE is quite standard
[15:41] <en1gma> so i guess that means that xubuntu and its default WM is the problem and not theirs
[15:41] <holstein> i know remastersys used to work with LXDE just fine
[15:41] <en1gma> it works with all distros fne. its just xubuntu
[15:42] <en1gma> so xubuntu and its default WM must be doing something not standard
[15:42] <holstein> en1gma: its just XFCE.. you can literally install debian, and XFCE and try it.. then go back to them and report
[15:42] <en1gma> like i said the default WM
[15:42] <holstein> en1gma: you can also just run XFCE.. pure XFCE right now
[15:42] <holstein> en1gma: XFCE *is* the default WM
[15:42] <en1gma> right
[15:43] <en1gma> its broke
[15:43] <holstein> you can remove xubuntu from the equation, and run XFCE ontop of what you'd like... test remastersys, and then you can report to them that it is XFCE
[15:43] <en1gma> its either broke or remastersys is broke and from what i learned its not remastersys
[15:43] <en1gma> i think they know already
[15:44] <holstein> en1gma: i would suspect there is nothing broken about either one.
[15:44] <en1gma> as they are the ones that told me it was the default wM
[15:44] <holstein> en1gma: they know that its not xubuntu? that it is an incompatibility with remastersys and XFCE?
[15:44] <en1gma> like i said they told me its the default WM. if i install another WM it will work
[15:45] <holstein> en1gma: if you install just plain XFCE, it will work?
[15:45] <en1gma> im not sure. they acted like it was a big problem. so im dloading ubuntu.
[15:45] <en1gma> i never did a remastersys before so i not sure what to do
[15:45] <holstein> en1gma: they? the remastersys devs?
[15:45] <en1gma> yea
[15:46] <holstein> en1gma: i would try and determine if it is indeed xubuntu or XFCE
[15:46] <Viva_Caligula> is this program in the repositories?
[15:46] <en1gma> its XFCE but since xubutnu uses it as default xubuntu isnt supported
[15:46] <en1gma> its in ubuntu repos
[15:46] <holstein> en1gma: i would confirm that.. see if plain xfce works
[15:46] <en1gma> it should be in xubuntu? right now im in windows getting ubuntu
[15:47] <en1gma> i will aks the devs
[15:47] <bazhang> !info remastersys
[15:47] <bazhang> it's not in the repos
[15:47] <bazhang> it's a PPA
[15:47] <holstein> yeah.. its been gone for a while... its been "funky" for a while and not very well supported
[15:48] <en1gma> ahh
[15:48] <holstein> en1gma: i would suggest trying with XFCE.. in whatever distro you or the remastersys devs suggest... then you can remove xubuntu from the equation and understand why its not really something the xubuntu team can deal with
[15:48] <bazhang> just install the package ubuntu-desktop, no need to install the separate ubuntu iso
[15:48] <Viva_Caligula> oem-config-remaster is the package, right?
[15:49] <bazhang> no
[15:49] <en1gma> ok so i will try to install xubuntu one more time and get remastersys but what do i do after i get xubuntu instaled this time? do i make it pure xfce?
[15:49] <Viva_Caligula> that's the onlt that shows up when i search for "remaster"
[15:49] <en1gma> http://www.remastersys.com/ubuntu.html
[15:49] <holstein> en1gma: i would suggest going to the remastersys channel and install *whatever* os they suggest for XCE support.. if it works, you'll know its just a xubuntu issue
[15:49] <bazhang> en1gma, please dont crosspost to multiple ubuntu support channels
[15:50] <holstein> XFCE*
[15:50] <Viva_Caligula> That has nothing to do with what I asked
[15:50] <en1gma> bazhang are you talking about the post i made in ubuntu 15mins ago and a 1000 lines of code has went by since then?
[15:51] <en1gma> so i came here?
[15:51] <bazhang> Viva_Caligula, thats not the package. remastersys is a PPA prepared by the remastersys people
[15:51] <holstein> en1gma: doesnt really matter what bazhang is referring to.. its a suggestiong and good
[15:51] <bazhang> en1gma, no, the one just a couple of minutes ago.
[15:51] <holstein> practice
[15:52] <en1gma> yea i know if i was spamming all channels but this is irc and one line about 15mins ago has nothing to do with this channel current
[15:52] <Viva_Caligula> So it's not in the repository then -_-
[15:52] <holstein> en1gma: cool... just keep it in mind as you post..
[15:52] <en1gma> couple mins ago i did "!info remastersys"
[15:52] <en1gma> i always do
[15:52] <Viva_Caligula> i was afk on the other computer
[15:52] <en1gma> anyhow back on topic
[15:53] <en1gma> i gonna install xubuntu amd 64 desktop and i should make xfce pure?
[15:53] <Viva_Caligula> when you login, just start an xfce session instead of a xubuntu session
[15:54] <holstein> en1gma: i would ask remastersys how you are to make an XFCE based remaster.. if xubuntu didnt work, i would expect it not to work.. i would remove xubuntu from the euqaation
[15:54] <Viva_Caligula> that'll have the same effect as xfce without xubuntu packages on ubuntu
[15:54] <en1gma> holstein you told me earlier to make it pure and it might work
[15:54] <holstein> en1gma: if you are being told "its xubuntu's fault" i challenge that with "ok, then how do i make an XFCE remaster"
[15:55] <en1gma> i said 100x already that they said it was "XUBUNTU DEFAULT WM"
[15:55] <holstein> en1gma: OK... and what was the suggested way to make an XFCE base remaster?
[15:55] <en1gma> they said to switch WM
[15:56] <holstein> en1gma: AH, so its not xubuntu? its an XFCE issue?
[15:56] <Viva_Caligula> en1gma: that's xfce, neither is broken per se, they just aren't compatible with one another
[15:56] <en1gma> i never siad it was xubuntu
[15:56] <en1gma> only xubuntu wont be supported
[15:56] <holstein> en1gma: xubuntu or XFCE?
[15:57] <Viva_Caligula> you can install gnome on xubuntu if you want, you can piclk a gnome session at login
[15:57] <en1gma> xubuntu is not supported because of its default WM
[15:57] <Viva_Caligula> *pick
[15:57] <holstein> en1gma: so, all of XFCE then? all XFCE based distros? including xubuntu? and debian testing?
[15:57] <en1gma> i think they said get gnome 2.x or something
[15:58] <en1gma> testing is never supported is it?
[15:58] <Viva_Caligula> I've seen arch based distros with xfce as the deault even
[15:58] <Viva_Caligula> what about those?
[15:58] <en1gma> how about the devs here tell me how to make a remaster/backup live cd so i dont have to use remastersys
[15:58] <bazhang> I'm on the remastersys homepage
[15:58] <en1gma> post the script somewhere
[15:59] <GridCube> Viva_Caligula, if the problem seems to be with xfce, what help does that will bring him?
[15:59] <bazhang> there is nothing about using gnome2 only. they have a repo for precise, in fact which is gnome3
[15:59] <GridCube> en1gma, im sorry but if they dont want to work with xfce, one of the 3 more popular dm out there, then thats their problem
[15:59] <en1gma> i made a custom live cd (bt5r2) using a couple different scripts awhile back
[15:59] <Viva_Caligula> I wasn'ting asking for him to try them, I was asking if they're supported
[16:00] <en1gma> basically i told them i have xubuntu and they told me xubuntu is not supported because of the default WM
[16:00] <en1gma> they siad if i install another WM it will work
[16:00] <Viva_Caligula> en1gma: There are several programs on the repositories that do what that one does
[16:00] <GridCube> en1gma, if you dont like Unity you can go and grab some other distro like mint that has mate or any other wm and try them
[16:00] <Viva_Caligula> *in
[16:00] <GridCube> its not our fault that they are not willing to make it work, sorry
[16:01] <en1gma> either way i like xubuntu and there is no way to remaster the live cd?
[16:01] <en1gma> thats all i really want
[16:01] <GridCube> !costumcd
[16:01] <bazhang> !remaster
[16:01] <holstein> en1gma: i dont mean to be combatitive... the only point im making is, its not a xubuntu issue, its an XFCE and remastersys issue.. and the xubuntu team wont be able to address those inconsistencies
[16:01] <GridCube> !customlivecd
[16:02] <en1gma> smaybe if the xubuntu team told xfce devs there is a problem maybe they can fix it.
[16:02] <Viva_Caligula> oem-config-remaster
[16:02] <en1gma> have any of you made/done the remaster live cd?
[16:03] <en1gma> just want to make sure i do the right one
[16:03] <Viva_Caligula> It's not the problem of the GUI that a certain program doesn't work in it
[16:03] <holstein> en1gma: sure.. if something was broken, but its not.. its a compatibility issue.. niether are broken
[16:03] <knome> if you can pinpoint the problem, please file a bug and post the bug number to #xubuntu-devel
[16:03] <en1gma> ok maybe if someone here would tell xfce team there is a compat issue maybe they can fix it
[16:03] <en1gma> im pretty sure the makers of remastersys have done that
[16:04] <holstein> en1gma: there is nothing imcomatible here... it'll need to be the remastersys team that becomes compatible with current XFCE and gtk3 or whatever the issue is
[16:04] <en1gma> it looks like the people with remastersys will keep on saying xubuntu is not supported then
[16:05] <holstein> en1gma: sure... and theres nothing xubuntu can do to "fix" that.. the team cannot "fix" all the projects... expecially those that have been dropped from the repos
[16:06] <en1gma> maybe that project was dropped because they say xubuntu is not supported
[16:06] <holstein> en1gma: i would explore other more supported avenues of creating live CD's... consider trying to be a liason for the remastersys team and whoever upstream they could speak with
[16:06] <en1gma> :)
[16:06] <en1gma> im gonna try xubuntu with a different UI first and hope that will work
[16:07] <en1gma> but if im gonna do that shouldnt i just use ubuntu
[16:07] <holstein> en1gma: i would ask them... the xubuntu team didnt drop it from the repos... it would have been dropped upstream
[16:07] <en1gma> the whole thing about xubuntu is its UI isnt it?
[16:08] <en1gma> ok i gonna reboot and install xubuntu and fool around with remastersys and see if i can try and get it to work with xfce pure or something
[16:08] <holstein> en1gma: you can use ubuntu if you like... xubuntu is ubuntu... but if you want XFCE support in remastersys, you'll need to ask them for it
[16:08] <en1gma> k
[16:09] <en1gma> i actually love xubuntu. its the cloest thing to ubuntu used to be that i have found
[16:09] <en1gma> i hate unity
[16:09] <en1gma> lol
[16:09] <en1gma> kubuntu is to bloated
[16:09] <bazhang> !ot
[16:10] <en1gma> ok i gonna do some testing
[16:10] <en1gma> thanks for the suggestion
[16:10] <en1gma> s
[17:12] <Kenshizl> Can anyone help me? I'm having a problem with my xubuntu desktop.
[17:13] <TheSheep> Kenshizl: you have to describe your problem and if anybody knows the solution they will answer
[17:18] <Kenshizl> Sorry for the long paragraph thing.
[17:20] <TheSheep> nothing appeared, you just disconnected
[17:24] <memememe> hi there
[17:26] <Kenshizl> Did anyone get my paragraph thing? I am having some issues with my IRC thing.
[17:43] <memememe> could anyone please help me with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2040883?
[17:43] <Ofloo> lol i only noticed this just now
[17:43] <Ofloo> all the youtube faces are blue as wel?
[17:44] <moonshiner24mUK> im having trouble connecting a midi keyboard
[17:44] <moonshiner24mUK> physicaly it plugs in just fine
[17:44] <TheSheep> memememe: that is probably a question for ##hardware
[17:44] <memememe> mrm
[17:44] <Ofloo> moonshiner24mUK: what you using as interface
[17:44] <moonshiner24mUK> where to?
[17:44] <Ofloo> usb to midi?
[17:45] <knome> or #ubuntustudio might be able to help too
[17:45] <moonshiner24mUK> yes ofloo
[17:45] <Ofloo> i once had this midi thing that didn't work turned out i plugged the in in the out and out in the in if you know what i mean
[17:45] <Ofloo> try turning them arround
[17:45] <Ofloo> took a while before i noticed
[17:45] <Ofloo> because they had this confusing in/out on the plugs
[17:46] <Ofloo> and at some point i was like you know what lets just see what happens
[17:46] <Ofloo> and it worked
[17:46] <Ofloo> :/
[17:46] <Ofloo> -_-
[17:46] <Ofloo> so ..
[17:46] <Ofloo> mÃaybe you should give it a shot
[17:47] <Ofloo> brb got to reboot to fix this blue head thing
[17:59] <Ofloo> yay fixed
[18:07] <memememe> I have updated my post, link is the same as before
[18:07] <memememe> http://laptops.productwiki.com/clevo-m770sun/ also says "up to 4GB RAM DDR2", then why the initial 12 listed per command?
[18:08] <memememe> can anyone explain that to me?
[18:31] <craigbass1976> In Gnome 2, I could have one window open and another behind it.  I could hover over the back window and scoll with the mouse wheel, but it would stay in back.  Is it possible to do that in xubuntu as well?  Right now, the back window will come up front and be in focus when I scroll over it.
[18:40] <TheSheep> craigbass1976: you can make them not raise when they receive focus
[18:40] <TheSheep> craigbass1976: but they will still become focused
[18:53] <recon69_lap> hi all, I'm trying to setup ssh with rsa, trying to copy the id_rsa.pub to  ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server but says the file does not exist. am i missing some step?
[18:56] <recon69_lap> never mind, I just needed to create the dir .ssh
[19:07] <craigbass1976> TheSheep, no way to shut that off?
[19:13] <TheSheep> craigbass1976: to shut what off? the fact that a window becomes active when clicked? no...
[19:14] <craigbass1976> TheSheep, , No, just when hovered over while the scroll wheel spins.
[19:15] <TheSheep> craigbass1976: the scroll wheel counts as clicks
[19:16] <craigbass1976> Aha...
[19:39] <Sysi> TheSheep: you can disable that actually, window manager tweaks >> accessibility >> all mouse buttons activate window
[19:40] <TheSheep> Sysi: but it doesn't work, I tried
[19:40] <Sysi> I'll test..
[19:41] <TheSheep> Sysi: oh, I tried the one in window manager >> focus
[19:41] <TheSheep> Sysi: I missed the one you are talking about, shame the guy left :(
[19:42] <TheSheep> I wonder why the 'tweaks' settings are *still* not integrated into the window manager settings
[20:07] <vv00b> Hello?
[20:07] <TheSheep> !hi | vv00b
[20:08] <vv00b> Test
[20:08] <TheSheep> failed
[20:08] <vv00b> Sorry, im just trying to get use to irssi
[20:09] <TheSheep> I wonder if there are testing channels, such as #test, that you could use without disturbing anyone
[20:09] <TheSheep> not that I'm particularly disturbed
[20:10] <vv00b> Well, its not like this is a hotspot for conversation or anything. but i did say i was sorry
[20:10] <xubuntu825> hello
[20:10] <xubuntu825> have a question about xfce4-terminal <defunct>
[20:10] <xubuntu825> is there a fix for it?
[20:11] <xubuntu825> guess not
[20:36] <cr1st0> Ubuntu is for tablets ?
[20:37] <aquix> better be, unity on the desktop is useless
[20:37] <pleia2> aquix: this really isn't the place for that
[20:37] <cr1st0> Is this the nonfreenode?
[20:38] <Sysi> there's arm-image available for mainbuntu
[20:38] <Sysi> cr1st0: no, this is xubuntu support channel in freenode
[20:40] <cr1st0> Win 8 and ubuntu with unity sitting ona tree...
[20:41] <knome> cr1st0, if you don't have a support question, please take the offtopic discussion elsewhere
[20:51] <xubuntu411> Hi there, how do I make the laptop go to standby when the lid is closed ?
[20:56] <Sysi> xubuntu411: power managment settings should have that
[20:58] <xubuntu411> power management settings comes out as blank.
[21:00] <xubuntu411> Unable to connect to Xfce Power Manager: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[21:11] <martinphone> what tool can I use to get a graphic of internet bandwidth in/out for a period of 30 hours or more?
[21:12] <martinphone> I want to check how my internet provider works
[21:28] <stratoka> hi all, i wanted to ask that the alfa buld of 12.10 is stable enough for a desktop system?
[21:28] <knome> stratoka, don't use it if it's a production machine
[21:29] <stratoka> its a home machine, i`d like to test it
[21:29] <stratoka> i`we read that is pretty stable
[21:30] <knome> take backups and note that it *can* fail
[21:30] <stratoka> ok, thank you foryour time
[21:31] <knome> no problem, have fun and good luck
[23:16] <martinphone> what tool can I use to get a graphic of internet bandwidth in/out for a period of 30 hours or more?
[23:20] <holstein> !info ifstat
[23:21] <holstein> maybe http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ntm-network-traffic-monitor.html
[23:22] <holstein> !info netspeed
[23:24] <holstein> !info nethogs
[23:29] <GridCube> !info wireshark
[23:30] <martinphone> thanks, ill try every one
[23:31] <GridCube> wireshark is the... graphic most one? i suppose martinphone
[23:31] <martinphone> is wireshark necessary? its 63mb
[23:32] <GridCube> dunno
[23:32] <GridCube> the others migh be simplier
[23:32] <martinphone> and if I use xfce and thats kde...
[23:32] <GridCube> it says "gtk+ version" so no kde
[23:32] <martinphone> oops
[23:33] <martinphone> i like ifstat, but it wont work for 30 hours, given the limited ammount of lines the terminal remembers
[23:34] <GridCube> you could > it to a file
[23:35] <martinphone> how GridCube ?
[23:35] <GridCube> something something > /path/to/log.file
[23:35] <GridCube> it dumps the stuff to the log.file
[23:36] <GridCube> it works with any bash command
[23:36] <GridCube> (it also works on any DOS terminal as well)
[23:36] <martinphone> im a bash idiot
[23:36] <GridCube> :)
[23:37] <GridCube> we all learn one day
[23:37] <martinphone> how many lines does the terminal anyway? can I increase the number?
[23:37] <martinphone> the terminal remember anyway
[23:37] <GridCube> sure, in xfce4-terminal its default to 1000
[23:39] <GridCube> but dumping to a file is actually smarter
[23:39] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/224696
[23:39] <martinphone> yes...
[23:40] <GridCube> martinphone, try it, do ls > ls.log
[23:40] <GridCube> and check the ls.log file you just created :D
[23:42] <martinphone> ls.log lists every file and folder of my home dir
[23:42] <GridCube> :D
[23:42] <GridCube> because it dumped all the output of ls to the ls.log file
[23:42] <GridCube> you can do the same with any terminal commands
[23:43] <martinphone> a now I get it.. ls -l
[23:43] <GridCube> if you do >> it will append the outputs to the file instead of replacing it
[23:44] <martinphone> GridCube, if I leave the laptop on for 30 hours and at the end of that period of time I execute ifstat > ifstat.log, will it print all lines since minute 0:00?
[23:44] <GridCube> no
[23:44] <GridCube> you need to have it running from the begining
[23:45] <GridCube> it will save stuff all the time it runs
[23:45] <GridCube> then at the 30's hour you can check it  all what you want
[23:45] <martinphone> ok, I executed ifstat > ifstat.log and terminal doesnt resolve, it means it is recording, right?
[23:45] <GridCube> yes it should
[23:46] <martinphone> sweet it works
[23:46] <GridCube> you can see the file grow by the way
[23:46] <martinphone> thx
[23:46] <martinphone> just did so
[23:46] <GridCube> so i guess you can tail it, but i never used tail
[23:47] <martinphone> this one is enough, noob needs to ask: if I shut the ifstat active window, ifstat.log will stop recording...
[23:47] <GridCube> so yeah, on other terminal you could: tail ifstat.log
[23:47] <GridCube> and it should show you the last 10 lines or so
[23:50] <GridCube> no, i dont know how tail works :(
[23:51] <GridCube> martinphone, yes it will stop
[23:51] <GridCube> launch it from a tty and it should be safe from accidental closings