[00:16] <JontheEchidna> yay, knights made a release for the KDE 4.9 kdegames api
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> libkdegames5a is the last KDE package on the NBS list, too :)
[01:24] <CIA-41> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120816012351-y2i25asak7dm5kxj * debian/changelog New upstream release candidate (LP: #1021966)
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> Muon/LibQApt 1.4.0 releases likely to happen tomorrow (well, probably today if you're going by UTC) :)
[04:06] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: so for gambas2 irt the Qt3 removal, Debian's dropped it from sid: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672778
[04:06] <JontheEchidna> so I think it's a candidate for removal
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> the Ubuntu delta seems to be just getting it to still build
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> g'night
[05:43] <jussi> MOrning all
[06:15] <debfx> JontheEchidna: myunity depends on gambas2
[06:18] <jussi> SO, can anyone tell me where we have kde telepathy latest version hiding?
[06:20] <debfx> quantal?
[06:48] <jussi> debfx: nah, precise
[06:49] <jussi> kopete has this segfault issues...
[06:50] <debfx> jussi: https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa
[06:51] <jussi> debfx: ahh, thank you.
[06:53] <jussi> hrm... this is weird
[06:54] <jussi> I added the ppa, updated, but it still doesnt see "meta-kde-telepathy"
[06:55] <jussi> or what package should I be installing?
[06:56] <debfx> kde-telepathy
[06:57] <debfx> meta-kde-telepathy is just the source package name
[07:13] <jussi> debfx: I guessed that, thanks :)
[07:22] <jussi> hrrr
[07:23] <jussi> so I get to choose between segfaults or only joining rooms without passwords...
[07:23] <jussi> back to pidgin I guess :/
[08:04] <Riddell> jussi01: what protocol is that you need rooms with passwords on?
[08:05] <jussi> Riddell: jabber
[08:05] <Riddell> jussi: have you checked with d_ed you're not just missing something?
[08:06] <jussi> Riddell: I have not - I did ask in #kde-telepathy, but no real answer
[08:06] <jussi> d_ed: do you have any advice for me?
[09:32] <Riddell> ScottK: print-manager compiled in ~jr incase you missed it
[09:35] <jussi> Riddell: seems as the pw thing isnt implemented...
[09:36] <debfx> Riddell: if you've got some time to sponsor: I've prepared a cmake merge/new upstream version: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/cmake_2.8.9-0ubuntu1.dsc
[09:39] <Riddell> jussi: hum, disappointing
[09:39] <Riddell> debfx: lovely
[09:39] <jussi> Riddell: Im talking with d_ed now about getting it done
[09:44] <jussi> Riddell: so we need a password protected room to test on, if you have anything that you can point us to...
[09:51] <Riddell> jussi: I'm afraid I've never used jabber
[09:52] <jussi> Riddell: np
[09:53] <debfx> jussi: can't you just create one with pidgin?
[09:55] <jussi> debfx: I dont know jabber that well.. if you want to help, perhaps you can join us in #kde-telepathy
[10:27] <apol_> the kdevelop-php package should install kdevelop-php-docs too...
[10:29] <Riddell> apol_: ok I'll add that now
[10:29] <Riddell> good timing I'm just doing kdevelop
[10:29] <apol_> :D
[10:29] <apol_> Riddell: the plan in the future is to release those two in the same tarball in the future
[10:30] <apol_> so if we can get those as much depending from each other possible, the better
[10:30] <apol_> it's not really useful to use them apart
[10:30] <debfx> less tarballs \o/
[10:31] <apol_> debfx: is that sarcasm? :P
[10:31] <debfx> no!
[10:33] <apol_> xD ok
[10:33] <debfx> the tarball separation that came with the git migration in KDE is madness
[10:33] <apol_> debfx: well, developers are doing what packagers were doing already, but upstream
[10:33] <apol_> it kind of makes sense :P
[10:36] <Riddell> there's advantages and disadvantages
[10:36] <debfx> well yeah it depends
[10:37] <debfx> for example kde telepathy splitting up essential component imho doesn't make sense
[10:37]  * apol_ kind of agrees
[10:37] <apol_> but they are happy like that
[10:38] <Riddell> apol_: mm what is "/usr/bin/kdevelop!" ?
[10:38] <apol_> (or we are xD I've sent quite some contributions tehre already )
[10:38] <apol_> Riddell: it's to integrate kdevelop with a shell
[10:39] <apol_> as in it defines some functions so that !openfile blah will open blah in a said kdevelop instance
[10:40] <Riddell> mm ok, ! seems like a troublesome character to have in a binary, bash likes to do things with exclamation marks
[10:40] <Riddell> but I'll add it to the kdevelop package alongside kdevelop itself
[10:40] <apol_> yes please do
[10:41] <d__ed> (FWIW, the KTP splitting things up was the decision of the original leader. I wouldn't say we're all happy with it.
[10:41] <d__ed> just not unhappy enough to bother changing it.
[10:41] <d__ed> )
[11:14] <JontheEchidna> debfx: pesky third-parties
[11:25] <Riddell> apol: nice new plasma bling in kdevelop
[11:25] <apol> :)
[11:30] <Riddell> time to clear out Kubuntu Beta Backports for precise ready for kdevelo
[11:43] <debfx> JontheEchidna: indeed, but we can probably just rip out qt3 support in gambas
[13:12] <Riddell> bug 1037148
[13:13] <Riddell> at last an offer to update the website tour
[13:13] <Riddell> alas I've no idea where the website theme is held
[13:13] <Riddell> https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website-staging or https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website seem likely but I don't know which
[13:13] <Riddell> apachelogger_: I don't suppose you remember?
[13:13] <ryanakca> Riddell: Who designed the current theme, Darkwing?
[13:15] <Riddell> ryanakca: ofirk
[13:15] <ryanakca> -staging was all of Ofir's work.
[13:16] <ryanakca>  /kubuntu-website contains my old themes, the wiki theme and some random old website stuff which I'm guessing was the original www.k.o you maintained.
[13:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: I think this is what you're looking for: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~klinger-ofir/kubuntu-website-staging/release-1.0/view/head:/page-node-10.tpl.php
[13:19] <Riddell> mm thanks ryanakca 
[13:19] <Riddell> goodness knows why he put content into the theme
[13:21] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  I"ll have a look.
[13:31]  * apachelogger_ thinks documentation would help ^^
[13:32] <Riddell> why do we have no url shortcut to take us to http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/foo in kde apps?
[13:33] <ScottK> Riddell: I've installed it.  How do I start it?
[13:33] <ScottK> All I see in system settings is the old one.
[13:35] <Riddell> ScottK: it's a plasmoid so right click on the systray arrow-> system tray settings -> tick manage print jobs
[13:35] <Riddell> "Printers" in system settings is the new one, maybe running kbuildcoca4 will make it appear
[13:40] <allee> Riddell: bug 1029550 has status new, but plasma-widget-networkmanagement  changelog has LP: #1029550.   Any idea what went wrong?
[13:43] <ScottK> I did see printers there.  
[13:45] <gotwig> so how can I compile dragon player 3 from git://anongit.kde.org/scratch/sitter/dragon.git ?
[13:45] <Riddell> allee: it changed name to networkmanagement
[13:45] <Riddell> allee: just close it manually
[13:46] <allee> Riddell: ah, now I see it.   I'll close it.  Thx
[13:52] <ScottK> Riddell: Should I use kubuntu-ppa for bugs?
[13:52] <Riddell> allee: I put a backport into ~jr but it is taking the usual hours to compile
[13:52] <Riddell> ScottK: for print-manager?  best just to poke me for packaging bugs and dantti_laptop for feature  bugs
[13:52] <ScottK> OK.
[13:53] <ScottK> All the amd64 and i386 builders are down.
[13:53] <Riddell> uh oh
[13:53] <Riddell> I hear rumours canonical are moving data centre this weekend
[13:53] <Riddell> so lots of downtime coming
[13:53] <ScottK> It's a bit early for that I'd imagine.
[13:54] <jocarter> it's never to early for downtime!
[13:54] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: I have spend the whole yesterday and a bit of today fixing some bugs.. :P I'm pretty close to a new release if you have a few more please tell me so I can fix them before I release it :)
[13:55] <ScottK> OK.
[13:56] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: First time I fired up the print manager, this is what I saw: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/printjobs.jpeg
[13:57] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: hmm that's fine you don't have any print jobs
[13:57] <ScottK> I've no idea what that means.
[13:58] <ScottK> Also no idea why there's the empty space.
[13:58] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: it's like NM if you don't have any connection
[13:58] <ScottK> I deleted all the instances of one of the printers so I could test detection.  Then I get something that looks more managable.
[13:58] <dantti_laptop> you need to print something to have a job shown there
[13:59] <allee> dantti_laptop: first impression: icons on left is big enough to allow for 2 rows for printername instead of using '...'
[13:59] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/printjobs1.jpeg
[13:59] <ScottK> That I can actually read.
[13:59] <dantti_laptop> allee: as you can see from the first printer the line bellow is the printer status
[14:00] <dantti_laptop> allee: if you printer has a too large name just expand the plasmoid
[14:00] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: yes, when there is just one printer the layout is different
[14:01] <allee> dantti_laptop: can't this be done on first startup automaticly?
[14:01] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: OK.  As it is, I couldn't tell what was what because not enough text was shown.
[14:02] <dantti_laptop> allee: it isn't that simple, you need to iterate over all list get the painted width and resize, then you might get something too wide
[14:02] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: maybe a "Printers" and "Print Jobs" header could help
[14:02] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: For printer discovery, it finds one of my printers three times, but doesn't display enough of the text for me to have any idea which I should pick: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/printadd.jpeg
[14:02] <dantti_laptop> ?
[14:04] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/add-printer --add and see the debug info, I guess the s-c-p-dbus didn't work (you should have the printers grouped)
[14:04] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: Then when I click on one, I get extra text, but it doesn't wrap and is cut off: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/printadd.jpeg
[14:05] <ScottK> OK.  I'll try that.
[14:06] <ScottK> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[14:06] <ScottK> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[14:06] <ScottK> add-printer(20739) DevicesModel::getGroupedDevicesFailed: QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited", "Process /usr/bin/scp-dbus-service exited with status 1") QDBusMessage(type=MethodCall, service="org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing", path="/org/fedoraproject/Config/Printing", interface="org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing", member="GroupPhysicalDevices", signature="", contents=([MapSMapSS]) ) 
[14:06] <ScottK> Apport got triggered too.
[14:11] <ScottK> LP thinks I hit Bug #902762, but that wasn't the issue the first time.
[14:12] <ScottK> Since that crashed it didn't find all the printers.
[14:14] <ScottK> Ran it again and it didn't find the other printer, but I got the same three copies of the 8500 that I got the first time.  add-printer(21143) DevicesModel::getGroupedDevicesFailed: QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited", "Process /usr/bin/scp-dbus-service exited with status 1") QDBusMessage(type=MethodCall, service="org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing", path="/org/fedoraproject/Config/Printing", interface="org.fedoraproject.
[14:14] <ScottK> Config.Printing", member="GroupPhysicalDevices", signature="", contents=([MapSMapSS]) )
[14:14] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: ^^^
[14:17] <ScottK> I understand it's a known issue, but the not picking the right driver for you is a major regression from what we had before.
[14:17] <ScottK> add-printer(21143) SelectMakeModel::getBestDriversFailed: Failed to get best drivers QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited", "Process /usr/bin/scp-dbus-service exited with status 1") QDBusMessage(type=MethodCall, service="org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing", path="/org/fedoraproject/Config/Printing", interface="org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing", member="GetBestDrivers", signature="", contents=("MFG:HP;MDL:Officejet Pro 8500 
[14:17] <ScottK> A909g;CMD:MLC,PCL,PML,DW-PCL,DESKJET,DYN;1284.4DL:4d,4e,1;CLS:PRINTER;DES:CB023A;SN:MY93O210V8;S:038080ec840010210068eb800008fb8000044c8003245cd001446cd000a41c8005a;Z:0102,0500000900000901a5e1019641022c41026161,0600,07000000000000000000000000,0b0000000000000000989b98ba0000987098a30000987098a4000098af98c5,0c0,10000000000000000000000000000000000000,12000,150;", "HP Officejet Pro 8500 A909g", "socket://192.168.111.99:9100") ) 
[14:17] <ScottK> In case you needed debug for that.
[14:18] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: ok, sr/bin/scp-dbus-service exited with status 1" so it failed, not my fault :P
[14:18] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: but maybe a tooltip with the full name could help
[14:18] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: The old one doesn't use dbus, so it works.
[14:19]  * ScottK doesn't care who's fault it is.
[14:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm not planning on doing amd64+mac images for 12.04.1 unless anyone objects, as a mac user you might have an opinion
[14:19] <dantti_laptop> I need to leave for an hour or so, if you find more stuff please email or wait till I get back
[14:20] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: driver search doesn't seem to work either: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/printadd2.jpeg
[14:20] <ScottK> OK.
[14:20] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: I removed that thing, can't make it work now, quite complex task..
[14:20] <ScottK> OK.
[14:20] <ScottK> If you can make the automagic finding the right one work, then I think it doesn't matter.
[14:21] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: well it works, as long scp-debus-service works
[14:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the only reason those images exist is because some Mac's can't boot the standard desktop image
[14:21] <dantti_laptop> there is a bug there that needs fixing, then your python skills could help since here it works..
[14:22] <dantti_laptop> bbl
[14:22] <shadeslayer> but its alright to drop them for 12.04.1 imo
[14:22] <ScottK> Possibly do amd64+mac for 12.04.2 like we're doing dvd as a one time only to get an updated image with the final version of KDE 4.8 on it.
[14:29] <shadeslayer> hmm ... sounds good to me ...
[14:29] <Riddell> ScottK: good idea
[14:30] <ScottK> I figured out the scp-dbus problem.
[14:36] <ScottK> Riddell: For this to work, we'll need more stuff in system-config-printer-common, but it currently uses gtk.  See Bug #902762.
[14:37] <ScottK> So right now, dantti_laptop's printer then depends via dbus on gtk bits we'd prefer to avoid.
[14:39] <Riddell> ScottK: does it use gtk? I see an "import gtk" line but I don't think it gets used
[14:40] <ScottK> Riddell: I stopped at "import gtk".  Maybe it doesn't.
[14:40] <ScottK> Also there's three other files it uses that need to move with it.  I didn't check those.
[14:41] <Riddell> hmm those might be more problematic
[14:42] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: I agree the U/I works much nicer when the dbus thing doesn't die.
[14:42] <Riddell> ScottK: does with work with s-c-p-kde ?
[14:42] <Riddell> s/with/this/
[14:42] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "ScottK: does this work with s-c-p-kde ?"
[14:42] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: It would be useful to let the user know there was a problem.
[14:42] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we don't use dbus, so we don't care.
[14:42]  * ScottK looks.
[14:43] <Riddell> it does for the automatic setup
[14:43] <ScottK> OK.
[14:46] <ScottK> Seems to work fine.
[14:47] <ScottK> I don't get the printer grouped into one choice, but the automagic driver selection works.
[14:47] <Riddell> ScottK: in s-c-p-kde?
[14:47] <ScottK> Yes.
[14:48] <Riddell> ok that's done differently then
[14:50] <Riddell> ScottK: are you plugging a printer in by usb to test?
[14:50] <ScottK> Riddell: No.  It's on the network.
[14:50] <ScottK> I click add printer and it goes out and finds it.
[14:51] <ScottK> Although it's not dantti_laptop's issue directly, I think we have to get this fixed if we're going to stick with the new one.
[14:52] <Riddell> fregl: can you help my git foo and tell me how to get the patch at https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,32359 ?
[14:52] <Riddell> ScottK: yep
[15:06] <Peace-> hi there i have installed the git stuff for dolphin 
[15:06] <Peace-> on kubuntu 12.10 
[15:06] <Peace-> but it seems it doesn't show itself on dolphin 
[15:07] <Peace-> i mean the git plugin for dolphin 
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Peace-: could you tell me the package?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> and have you tried right clicking the folder? :)
[15:08] <Peace->  shadeslayersure
[15:09] <Peace-> shadeslayer: sudo apt-get install dolphin kdesdk-dolphin-plugins
[15:17]  * shadeslayer looks
[15:18] <shadeslayer> need. to. get. a. SSD
[15:20] <Peace-> shadeslayer: have you seen ?
[15:20] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:20] <shadeslayer> doesn't work it seems
[15:20] <shadeslayer> assuming I'm looking in the right place
[15:20] <Peace-> shit
[15:21] <Peace-> shadeslayer: should be there http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/snapshot24.jpg
[15:21] <Peace-> shadeslayer: btw ffmpeg provided by avconv doens't work for screencast
[15:22] <Peace-> and even avconv doesn't work 
[15:22] <Peace-> :D
[15:22] <Riddell> Peace-: you need to enable it first
[15:22] <shadeslayer> Peace-: works for me 
[15:22] <shadeslayer> after I enable git
[15:22] <Peace-> Riddell: ?
[15:22] <Peace-> shadeslayer: where should i enable it ?
[15:22] <shadeslayer> Peace-: click control > Configure dolphin
[15:23] <Riddell> oh you have an old dolphin
[15:23] <Peace-> Riddell: i am on 12.10
[15:23] <shadeslayer> and then under services
[15:23] <Riddell> Peace-: that's not KDE SC 4.9
[15:23] <Peace-> ah
[15:23] <Peace-> btw i have to say that rekonq is improved
[15:24] <Peace-> at least i have not seen crash
[15:24] <Peace-> but it ask me always to set the search engine 
[15:24] <Peace-> i do 
[15:24] <Peace-> and it asks again afte i restart it
[15:25] <shadeslayer> report a bug upstream?
[15:25] <Peace-> i guess i will do 
[15:26] <debfx> hm looks like the launchpad builders are taking a nap today
[15:29] <Riddell> Peace-: try updating kubuntu-default-settings for that
[15:30] <Peace-> Riddell: sure 
[15:30] <Peace-> btw can someone test this ? 
[15:30] <Peace-> avconv -s 1280x800 -i :0.0 -f alsa -ac 2 -ar 48000 -i hw:0,0 -acodec pcm_s16le -vcodec ljpeg -r 15 -threads 1 -y $HOME/Screencast.avi
[15:30] <Peace-> and 
[15:30] <Peace-> ffmpeg  -s 1280x800 -i :0.0 -f alsa -ac 2 -ar 48000 -i hw:0,0 -acodec pcm_s16le -vcodec ljpeg -r 15 -threads 1 -y $HOME/Screencast.avi
[15:31] <Peace-> both fail 
[15:31] <Peace-> instead ffmpeg compiled works
[15:32] <Peace-> sorry before avconv and ffmpeg you should put 
[15:32] <Peace-> -f x11grab
[15:34] <Riddell> Peace-: you'd be best to ask the ffmpeg/av maintainers
[15:36] <shadeslayer> debfx: iirc it's some scheduled maintainence on the data center
[15:37] <gotwig> I am searching for the following packages: qtdesktop phonon-declarative qtest-qml would be cool if you can help me, where they are located. I already installed nokia forum ppa
[15:38] <shadeslayer> you installed what from what ppa? 0.o
[15:38] <Peace-> xd
[15:38] <shadeslayer> ok, for some reason I read that as "I already installed nokia *from* ppa"
[15:38] <shadeslayer> gotwig: what's ppa did you install though?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> *what
[15:39] <gotwig> muhaha, I make kde developers laugh..
[15:39] <gotwig> wait ;D
[15:39] <gotwig> Like I said, I need these packages, for compiling dragon player 3. https://launchpad.net/~forumnokia contains some needed packages, or I thought that
[15:40] <gotwig> e.g the qt quick libraries, seem to be not in the ubuntu repos
[15:40] <Riddell> gotwig: can I ask why you're compiling dragon 3?  it not complete as far as I know
[15:41] <gotwig> I try to
[15:41] <gotwig> I love alpha software testing :X
[15:41] <gotwig> but I dont wanna compile libraries
[15:41] <gotwig> becouse they can break my system, if they are important
[15:42] <gotwig> any idea how to install qt quick libraries?
[15:42] <gotwig> sd
[15:42] <Riddell> gotwig: where do you get that list of packages?  I don't think there's any such thing as qtdesktop
[15:42] <gotwig> cmake
[15:43] <Riddell> libqt4-declarative is qt quick
[15:43] <gotwig> of course the package names are a bit different
[15:43] <Riddell> gotwig: pastebin the output
[15:43] <gotwig> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1150887/
[15:49] <gotwig> any idea :X?
[15:49] <Riddell> gotwig: Qt Quick Desktop Components isn't packaged, it's unreleased software (like Dragon 3)
[15:50] <Riddell> phonon-declarative probably likewise is in a branch somewhere, apachelogger_ would know
[15:50] <gotwig> apachelogger_: hey there
[15:50] <Riddell> qtest-qml is also not released or packaged
[15:50] <gotwig> Riddell: but it is in the ppa?
[15:50] <Riddell> none of those are in PPAs as far as I know
[15:52] <gotwig> :O
[15:52] <gotwig> why not
[15:52] <gotwig> maybe I shall package them
[15:52] <gotwig> and set up recipes
[16:03] <Riddell> gotwig: mind that phonon-qml and dragon 3 haven't been worked on in over a year, they may not work at all currently
[16:03] <gotwig> but in the demo vid it worked, one year ago...
[16:04] <gotwig> currently people develop I see
[16:11] <Riddell> gotwig: just because it worked on apachelogger's computer a year ago doesn't mean it'll work on yours now (it might do, but there's no development on it that I know of)
[16:11] <gotwig> :-)
[16:11] <gotwig> its ok
[16:11] <Riddell> Quintasan_: you wanted to edit the seeds?
[16:11] <gotwig> can you use clutter with qt?
[16:11] <Riddell> Quintasan_: I think adding krdc would be a nice idea
[16:12] <Riddell> Quintasan_: I've already added it to the seed at lp:~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.quantal
[16:12] <Riddell> Quintasan_: so you can update the meta package kubuntu-meta  (just run the update script)
[16:26] <gotwig> Riddell: whats that? the new url here does not work: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/desktop#more
[16:26] <gotwig> https://codereview.qt-project.org/#q,project:playground/qtdesktopcomponents
[16:29] <Riddell> gotwig: as I say, things change in a year, something will break
[16:29] <gotwig> Riddell: so where is the code...........
[16:30] <ScottK> Riddell: When you add KRDC, please do it as a Recommends.
[16:35] <micahg> ScottK: he did that already
[16:35] <ScottK> OK.  
[16:36] <gotwig> does no one knows where is the qt desktop components code?
[16:40] <gotwig> got it, git://gitorious.org/qtplayground/qtdesktopcomponents.git
[17:16] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: yup, you are right, just a warning that s-c-p-dbus failed on the konsole isn't enough, I'll probably add a warning box showing the error..
[17:17] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: The print job U/I is unreadable with multiple printers.  
[17:17] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: and it's odd that the s-c-p-dbus depends on gtk tho it does makes a bit of a sense since I can ask for the add new printer wizard... 
[17:18] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: how do you mean?
[17:18] <ScottK> Let me find the screen shot.
[17:19] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: This one http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/printjobs.jpeg
[17:19] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: do you have any sugestion?
[17:19] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: First, a tooltip to display the missing text on hover.
[17:20] <dantti_laptop> I could set the "..." on the middle would help a bit
[17:20] <ScottK> As it is, it's very hard to tell what's what.
[17:20] <dantti_laptop> nah plasma tooltips suck
[17:20] <dantti_laptop> well you can always expand it..
[17:21] <ScottK> Or maybe the text could wrap to multi-line?
[17:21] <ScottK> There's no indication what the slider switch does.
[17:22] <shadeslayer> ScottK sure has alot of printers :P
[17:22] <dantti_laptop> yup ^^
[17:22] <gotwig> packagers present?
[17:22] <gotwig> do you know where I can get the qt quick phonon branch?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> the code?
[17:22] <gotwig> jo
[17:22] <shadeslayer> because there's no package by that name afaik
[17:22] <ScottK> There's actually only two, but one was added twice and it also shows up twice, so it looks like 4.
[17:22] <gotwig> yeah
[17:23] <gotwig> becouse of that I wanna know if packagers are there
[17:23] <ScottK> For that, ask apachelogger_ 
[17:23] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: well it enable/disable the printer
[17:23] <gotwig> can you fix missing strings? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305264
[17:23] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: I guessed, but then how do I know if it worked?  I know enabling isn't instant.
[17:23] <gotwig> or confirm
[17:24] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: it will show printer paused below it
[17:25] <dantti_laptop> no the icon get 1 for opacity,
[17:26] <dantti_laptop> I should probably put the printer status there...
[17:29] <ScottK> It looks like enabling failed and the transparency might be a little different, not sure.
[17:31] <gotwig> why can KDE not use launchpad?
[17:32] <ScottK> Because KDE is it's own thing.
[17:32] <ScottK> They picked something different.
[17:32] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: When I print, there's no change in what the print manager shows in the U/I.
[17:32] <gotwig> launchpad translations are a dream for translators, ladies and gentlemen...
[17:32] <ScottK> You are the first person I ever heard say that.
[17:32] <ScottK> Every other translator I ever heard discuss it hated them.
[17:33] <gotwig> I translated quite much
[17:33] <gotwig> ;P
[17:33] <gotwig> just my opinion..
[17:33]  * ScottK <-- Not a translator, so no personal opinion.
[17:33] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: hmm you don't see jobs there?
[17:33] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: Nope.
[17:33] <dantti_laptop> odd
[17:34] <gotwig> why does no one confirm my bug ? I am new to KDE, just wanna know
[17:34] <dantti_laptop> is the printer accepting jobs?
[17:34] <ScottK> The icon pops into the systray and I can click on it, but it just shows the single printer in use with a blank area underneath.
[17:34] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: Yes.  It printed.
[17:35] <dantti_laptop> hmm maybe it was too fast? try printing to a disabled(paused) printer
[17:35] <dantti_laptop> if the icon shows on the systray is because the job model has something..
[17:41] <ScottK> Tried a 100 page job.
[17:41] <ScottK> Still nothing.
[17:41] <ScottK> Restarted printer-applet and it showed me the job info.
[17:43] <ScottK> gotwig: Have patience.  Most of us are volunteers and all of us are busy.
[17:54] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: Any suggestions?
[17:55] <shadeslayer> gotwig: what bug?
[17:56] <gotwig> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305264
[17:56] <gotwig> easy one
[17:56] <gotwig> but I am new to kde
[17:56] <shadeslayer> yeah well, ask in #amarok :)
[17:56] <shadeslayer> they'll eventually get to it
[18:00] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: hmm well plasmoids and dataengines don't seem to work very well I had lots of troubless with this combination but it seemed to be working fine now..
[18:01] <ScottK> What KDE version are you testing with?
[18:01] <dantti_laptop> 4.9
[18:01] <dantti_laptop> it was fine in 4.8 too
[18:01] <ScottK> I've got 4.8.4 here.
[18:02] <ScottK> How can we debug this?
[18:02] <dantti_laptop> so now that you readded the plasmoid and the job is now shown does  adding a new one fix the issue?
[18:02] <ScottK> (and did you try it with network printers?)
[18:02] <ScottK> I'll try again.  I cancelled it.
[18:02] <dantti_laptop> plasmoidviewer printermanager, you can also look at the dataengine to see if it's getting updated 
[18:03] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: it should have no difference if the printer is local or remote
[18:03] <dantti_laptop> all your jobs stay in your cups
[18:03] <ScottK> Well, it shold work too.
[18:03] <ScottK> Still doesn't show up.
[18:05] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/noprintjob.jpeg
[18:06] <ScottK> There you can see them side by side.
[18:07] <dantti_laptop> hmm that's odd, it's probably that crap CUPS dbus registrationg thing
[18:08] <dantti_laptop> tho I started listening to the same deprecated dbus interface that printer-applet does (it's more reliable...)
[18:08] <dantti_laptop> are you running a git version?
[18:08] <dantti_laptop> dunno if this change was after 0.1
[18:09] <ScottK> I'm running whatever Riddell  put in his PPA for precise.
[18:11] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: 0.1.0+git20120813
[18:11] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ major regression #2 from my POV.
[18:11] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: how this works plasmaengineexplorer --engine org.kde.printjobs
[18:13] <dantti_laptop> yup, must be the cups crap dbus stuff, I'll add the redhat dbus to it since it's way more reliable but don't update in all cases (yes printer-applet suffers because of this too)
[18:14] <dantti_laptop> btw gnome also got away from s-c-p, they only use the dbus interface like I did...
[18:14] <dantti_laptop> so it's likely that only the dbus interface will survive
[18:14] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/noprintjob1.jpeg
[18:15] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: so is the plasmaengineexplorer properly updating on new jobs?
[18:16] <ScottK> It appears so.
[18:16] <dantti_laptop> if so then it's really odd :P
[18:16] <ScottK> That one showed up and went away when I canceled the job.
[18:16] <dantti_laptop> not so much since imo the engine -> plasmoid connection is a bit weird
[18:17] <ScottK> So I think this is one you can't blame on python or packaging ...
[18:17] <ScottK> What else can I do to help?
[18:19] <dantti_laptop> try restarting plasma-desktop to see if it helps, since the engine is loaded only once..
[18:21] <ScottK> OK.
[18:27] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: Works after restarting.
[18:28] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: right, did you had it installed previously?
[18:28] <ScottK> No.
[18:28] <ScottK> I shouldn't have to restart my desktop to make something work though.
[18:29] <dantti_laptop> sure, but for some reason it stopped working I'll try to find out what..
[18:31] <ScottK> The other thing I miss is that the old print manager window would stay open if I opened it.
[18:31] <ScottK> With this one, as soon as I click on something else, it's gone.
[18:44] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: well you can open a window with way more info if you want, just got to system settings choose your printer and then "open queue" or add the plasmoid to the dashboard
[18:45] <ScottK> systemsettings -> printer -> pick printer -> open queue seems a lot harder than "click on the systray icon."
[18:50] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: right, well I could add a double click on a printer to open it if you think it's usefull...
[18:51] <ScottK> I think it would.  It's not rare that I want the job window to be persistent.
[18:52] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: ok, the bug is indeed the cups DBus subscription that simply stops working.. I'll add the deprecated (that works better) way to it now, I thought I did this already but I didn't
[18:53] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: right, with the window you can also move jobs to different printers (tho you need two window opened)
[18:54] <dantti_laptop> or you can right click on a job...
[18:55] <ScottK> I thought right clicking was ~only for configuring stuff in widgets?
[18:56] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: no I mean right click a job on the widget window
[18:56] <dantti_laptop> btw what sounds better "Reject printings" or "Reject print jobs"?
[18:56] <dantti_laptop> it's a missing feature I'm adding now..
[18:57] <ScottK> I think the latter.
[18:58] <dantti_laptop> ok
[18:59] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: In "Manage Print Jobs Settings" you have "only jobs from printer".  This should be some kind of a pick list instead of a text entry window.
[19:00] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: sorry don't get it
[19:01] <dantti_laptop> ah you mean to filter jobs by printer on the plasmoid?
[19:01] <ScottK> If you right click and click on "Manage Print Jobs Settings".
[19:02] <dantti_laptop> well I need to find out if it's possible to build a cpp kcm for that thing, because that dialog is pain .ui...
[19:02] <ScottK> As is, it's not very useful.
[19:03] <dantti_laptop> better than nothing imo...
[19:04] <ScottK> I've no idea what to put in that box, so not really.
[19:04] <dantti_laptop> actually I also need to learn how do I provide a cpp model to the plasmoid then that ui will have a bit more options
[19:04] <dantti_laptop> you put the printer name
[19:04] <dantti_laptop> then you will only see jobs for it
[19:05] <ScottK> Do I have to type the whole thing or just enough for a unique match?
[19:05] <dantti_laptop> usefull if you want to have a dash board to see each printer jobs in a different plasmoid
[19:05] <dantti_laptop> it uses regexp so a unique thing will do
[19:21] <ScottK> Riddell: With a bit of work, I think we can use this.
[19:43] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: btw thanks for the testing :) I've just added the reject jobs feature then I'll make sure the data engine also updates on the deprecated interface..
[19:43] <ScottK> Great.
[21:00] <ronnoc> Hi all. Another stupid question (although I was asked and didn't know the answer) - Is Blue System's kmozillahelper going to be standard on the CD / install going forward? Or an elected install? I can't imagine a Kubuntu use-case that would not warrant it. 
[21:02] <dantti> ScottK: s-c-p-gtk now uses that dbus subscription thing too, and it has the same problem.. :P
[21:04] <ronnoc> Although I suppose a use case for not including kmozillahelper would be a user who has no intentions for using Firefox? Hmmm
[21:05] <ScottK> dantti: I'm not particularly worried about Gnome regressions.
[21:06] <ScottK> ronnoc: We don't ship kmozillahelper anymore.
[21:06] <dantti> well the interface that is currently working might be removed at any time, so it's something to worry, the new way of doing this should work...
[21:07] <ronnoc> ScottK: Now that it's maintained by Blue Systems, is it worth revisiting? 
[21:07] <ScottK> ronnoc: The removal reason was "no longer useful following removal of Firefox KDE integration patches in 10.0~b1+build1-0ubuntu1".
[21:07] <ScottK> So no.
[21:07] <ScottK> dantti: Agreed.
[21:10] <ronnoc> ScottK: Not sure I agree, but thanks for pointing that out for me
[21:29] <shadeslayer> ronnoc: the idea we had was to get kfi to install the blue shell ppa and go from there
[21:29] <shadeslayer> the long term proposal is to clean up the patches and maintain them upstream with help from Suse
[21:29] <shadeslayer> ( or is it SUSE, not sure )
[21:30] <shadeslayer> me and apachelogger_ were going to work on that, but I'm occupied with some other things atm
[21:30] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: openSUSE
[21:30] <shadeslayer> ( maybe we can collaborate with the firefox ubuntu team and work out a plan at UDS ? )
[21:30] <shadeslayer> right :)
[21:32] <ronnoc>  shadeslayer: ahh I see. well that makes sense :)
[21:59] <Daskreech> does anyne have a debian lenny install CD?
[22:03] <ScottK> Daskreech: You can still download them.
[22:06] <Riddell> ScottK: if you think print-manager might be usable best let it through new :)
[22:06] <ScottK> OK.  Didn't have time to look yet.
[22:06] <ScottK> Spent too much time testing today...
[22:12] <CIA-41> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120816221207-rnm939epriynr93p * debian/changelog New upstream release
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