[00:16] yay, knights made a release for the KDE 4.9 kdegames api [00:29] libkdegames5a is the last KDE package on the NBS list, too :) [01:24] [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20120816012351-y2i25asak7dm5kxj * debian/changelog New upstream release candidate (LP: #1021966) [02:02] Muon/LibQApt 1.4.0 releases likely to happen tomorrow (well, probably today if you're going by UTC) :) === valorie_ is now known as valorie [04:06] ScottK: so for gambas2 irt the Qt3 removal, Debian's dropped it from sid: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672778 [04:06] Debian bug 672778 in ftp.debian.org "RM: gambas2 -- RoM; obsolete" [Normal,Open] [04:06] so I think it's a candidate for removal [04:07] the Ubuntu delta seems to be just getting it to still build [04:08] g'night === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok [05:43] MOrning all [06:15] JontheEchidna: myunity depends on gambas2 [06:18] SO, can anyone tell me where we have kde telepathy latest version hiding? [06:20] quantal? [06:48] debfx: nah, precise [06:49] kopete has this segfault issues... [06:50] jussi: https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa [06:51] debfx: ahh, thank you. [06:53] hrm... this is weird [06:54] I added the ppa, updated, but it still doesnt see "meta-kde-telepathy" [06:55] or what package should I be installing? [06:56] kde-telepathy [06:57] meta-kde-telepathy is just the source package name [07:13] debfx: I guessed that, thanks :) [07:22] hrrr [07:23] so I get to choose between segfaults or only joining rooms without passwords... [07:23] back to pidgin I guess :/ [08:04] jussi01: what protocol is that you need rooms with passwords on? [08:05] Riddell: jabber [08:05] jussi: have you checked with d_ed you're not just missing something? [08:06] Riddell: I have not - I did ask in #kde-telepathy, but no real answer [08:06] d_ed: do you have any advice for me? [09:32] ScottK: print-manager compiled in ~jr incase you missed it [09:35] Riddell: seems as the pw thing isnt implemented... [09:36] Riddell: if you've got some time to sponsor: I've prepared a cmake merge/new upstream version: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/cmake_2.8.9-0ubuntu1.dsc [09:39] jussi: hum, disappointing [09:39] debfx: lovely [09:39] Riddell: Im talking with d_ed now about getting it done [09:44] Riddell: so we need a password protected room to test on, if you have anything that you can point us to... [09:51] jussi: I'm afraid I've never used jabber [09:52] Riddell: np [09:53] jussi: can't you just create one with pidgin? [09:55] debfx: I dont know jabber that well.. if you want to help, perhaps you can join us in #kde-telepathy [10:27] the kdevelop-php package should install kdevelop-php-docs too... [10:29] apol_: ok I'll add that now [10:29] good timing I'm just doing kdevelop [10:29] :D [10:29] Riddell: the plan in the future is to release those two in the same tarball in the future [10:30] so if we can get those as much depending from each other possible, the better [10:30] it's not really useful to use them apart [10:30] less tarballs \o/ [10:31] debfx: is that sarcasm? :P [10:31] no! [10:33] xD ok [10:33] the tarball separation that came with the git migration in KDE is madness [10:33] debfx: well, developers are doing what packagers were doing already, but upstream [10:33] it kind of makes sense :P [10:36] there's advantages and disadvantages [10:36] well yeah it depends [10:37] for example kde telepathy splitting up essential component imho doesn't make sense [10:37] * apol_ kind of agrees [10:37] but they are happy like that [10:38] apol_: mm what is "/usr/bin/kdevelop!" ? [10:38] (or we are xD I've sent quite some contributions tehre already ) [10:38] Riddell: it's to integrate kdevelop with a shell [10:39] as in it defines some functions so that !openfile blah will open blah in a said kdevelop instance [10:40] mm ok, ! seems like a troublesome character to have in a binary, bash likes to do things with exclamation marks [10:40] but I'll add it to the kdevelop package alongside kdevelop itself [10:40] yes please do [10:41] (FWIW, the KTP splitting things up was the decision of the original leader. I wouldn't say we're all happy with it. [10:41] just not unhappy enough to bother changing it. [10:41] ) === apol_ is now known as apol [11:14] debfx: pesky third-parties [11:25] apol: nice new plasma bling in kdevelop [11:25] :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:30] time to clear out Kubuntu Beta Backports for precise ready for kdevelo [11:43] JontheEchidna: indeed, but we can probably just rip out qt3 support in gambas [13:12] bug 1037148 [13:12] Launchpad bug 1037148 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Obsolete Documentation on Kubuntu Feature Tour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1037148 [13:13] at last an offer to update the website tour [13:13] alas I've no idea where the website theme is held [13:13] https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website-staging or https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website seem likely but I don't know which [13:13] apachelogger_: I don't suppose you remember? [13:13] Riddell: Who designed the current theme, Darkwing? [13:15] ryanakca: ofirk [13:15] -staging was all of Ofir's work. [13:16] /kubuntu-website contains my old themes, the wiki theme and some random old website stuff which I'm guessing was the original www.k.o you maintained. [13:18] Riddell: I think this is what you're looking for: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~klinger-ofir/kubuntu-website-staging/release-1.0/view/head:/page-node-10.tpl.php [13:19] mm thanks ryanakca [13:19] goodness knows why he put content into the theme [13:21] Riddell: Thanks. I"ll have a look. [13:31] * apachelogger_ thinks documentation would help ^^ [13:32] why do we have no url shortcut to take us to http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/foo in kde apps? [13:33] Riddell: I've installed it. How do I start it? [13:33] All I see in system settings is the old one. [13:35] ScottK: it's a plasmoid so right click on the systray arrow-> system tray settings -> tick manage print jobs [13:35] "Printers" in system settings is the new one, maybe running kbuildcoca4 will make it appear [13:40] Riddell: bug 1029550 has status new, but plasma-widget-networkmanagement changelog has LP: #1029550. Any idea what went wrong? [13:40] Launchpad bug 1029550 in plasma-widget-networkmanagement (Ubuntu Quantal) "Please update plasma-widget-networkmanagement to 0.9.0.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029550 [13:43] I did see printers there. [13:45] so how can I compile dragon player 3 from git://anongit.kde.org/scratch/sitter/dragon.git ? [13:45] allee: it changed name to networkmanagement [13:45] allee: just close it manually [13:46] Riddell: ah, now I see it. I'll close it. Thx [13:52] Riddell: Should I use kubuntu-ppa for bugs? [13:52] allee: I put a backport into ~jr but it is taking the usual hours to compile [13:52] ScottK: for print-manager? best just to poke me for packaging bugs and dantti_laptop for feature bugs [13:52] OK. [13:53] All the amd64 and i386 builders are down. [13:53] uh oh [13:53] I hear rumours canonical are moving data centre this weekend [13:53] so lots of downtime coming [13:53] It's a bit early for that I'd imagine. [13:54] it's never to early for downtime! [13:54] ScottK: I have spend the whole yesterday and a bit of today fixing some bugs.. :P I'm pretty close to a new release if you have a few more please tell me so I can fix them before I release it :) [13:55] OK. [13:56] dantti_laptop: First time I fired up the print manager, this is what I saw: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/printjobs.jpeg [13:57] ScottK: hmm that's fine you don't have any print jobs [13:57] I've no idea what that means. [13:58] Also no idea why there's the empty space. [13:58] ScottK: it's like NM if you don't have any connection [13:58] I deleted all the instances of one of the printers so I could test detection. Then I get something that looks more managable. [13:58] you need to print something to have a job shown there [13:59] dantti_laptop: first impression: icons on left is big enough to allow for 2 rows for printername instead of using '...' [13:59] dantti_laptop: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/printjobs1.jpeg [13:59] That I can actually read. [13:59] allee: as you can see from the first printer the line bellow is the printer status [14:00] allee: if you printer has a too large name just expand the plasmoid [14:00] ScottK: yes, when there is just one printer the layout is different [14:01] dantti_laptop: can't this be done on first startup automaticly? [14:01] dantti_laptop: OK. As it is, I couldn't tell what was what because not enough text was shown. [14:02] allee: it isn't that simple, you need to iterate over all list get the painted width and resize, then you might get something too wide [14:02] ScottK: maybe a "Printers" and "Print Jobs" header could help [14:02] dantti_laptop: For printer discovery, it finds one of my printers three times, but doesn't display enough of the text for me to have any idea which I should pick: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/printadd.jpeg [14:02] ? [14:04] ScottK: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/add-printer --add and see the debug info, I guess the s-c-p-dbus didn't work (you should have the printers grouped) [14:04] dantti_laptop: Then when I click on one, I get extra text, but it doesn't wrap and is cut off: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/printadd.jpeg [14:05] OK. I'll try that. [14:06] QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. [14:06] QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. [14:06] add-printer(20739) DevicesModel::getGroupedDevicesFailed: QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited", "Process /usr/bin/scp-dbus-service exited with status 1") QDBusMessage(type=MethodCall, service="org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing", path="/org/fedoraproject/Config/Printing", interface="org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing", member="GroupPhysicalDevices", signature="", contents=([MapSMapSS]) ) [14:06] Apport got triggered too. [14:11] LP thinks I hit Bug #902762, but that wasn't the issue the first time. [14:11] Launchpad bug 902762 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu) "scp-dbus-service.py crashed with ImportError in __main__: No module named asyncconn" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902762 [14:12] Since that crashed it didn't find all the printers. [14:14] Ran it again and it didn't find the other printer, but I got the same three copies of the 8500 that I got the first time. add-printer(21143) DevicesModel::getGroupedDevicesFailed: QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited", "Process /usr/bin/scp-dbus-service exited with status 1") QDBusMessage(type=MethodCall, service="org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing", path="/org/fedoraproject/Config/Printing", interface="org.fedoraproject. [14:14] Config.Printing", member="GroupPhysicalDevices", signature="", contents=([MapSMapSS]) ) [14:14] dantti_laptop: ^^^ [14:17] I understand it's a known issue, but the not picking the right driver for you is a major regression from what we had before. [14:17] add-printer(21143) SelectMakeModel::getBestDriversFailed: Failed to get best drivers QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited", "Process /usr/bin/scp-dbus-service exited with status 1") QDBusMessage(type=MethodCall, service="org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing", path="/org/fedoraproject/Config/Printing", interface="org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing", member="GetBestDrivers", signature="", contents=("MFG:HP;MDL:Officejet Pro 8500 [14:17] A909g;CMD:MLC,PCL,PML,DW-PCL,DESKJET,DYN;1284.4DL:4d,4e,1;CLS:PRINTER;DES:CB023A;SN:MY93O210V8;S:038080ec840010210068eb800008fb8000044c8003245cd001446cd000a41c8005a;Z:0102,0500000900000901a5e1019641022c41026161,0600,07000000000000000000000000,0b0000000000000000989b98ba0000987098a30000987098a4000098af98c5,0c0,10000000000000000000000000000000000000,12000,150;", "HP Officejet Pro 8500 A909g", "socket://192.168.111.99:9100") ) [14:17] In case you needed debug for that. [14:18] ScottK: ok, sr/bin/scp-dbus-service exited with status 1" so it failed, not my fault :P [14:18] ScottK: but maybe a tooltip with the full name could help [14:18] dantti_laptop: The old one doesn't use dbus, so it works. [14:19] * ScottK doesn't care who's fault it is. [14:19] shadeslayer: I'm not planning on doing amd64+mac images for 12.04.1 unless anyone objects, as a mac user you might have an opinion [14:19] I need to leave for an hour or so, if you find more stuff please email or wait till I get back [14:20] dantti_laptop: driver search doesn't seem to work either: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/printadd2.jpeg [14:20] OK. [14:20] ScottK: I removed that thing, can't make it work now, quite complex task.. [14:20] OK. [14:20] If you can make the automagic finding the right one work, then I think it doesn't matter. [14:21] ScottK: well it works, as long scp-debus-service works [14:21] Riddell: the only reason those images exist is because some Mac's can't boot the standard desktop image [14:21] there is a bug there that needs fixing, then your python skills could help since here it works.. [14:22] bbl [14:22] but its alright to drop them for 12.04.1 imo [14:22] Possibly do amd64+mac for 12.04.2 like we're doing dvd as a one time only to get an updated image with the final version of KDE 4.8 on it. [14:29] hmm ... sounds good to me ... [14:29] ScottK: good idea [14:30] I figured out the scp-dbus problem. [14:36] Riddell: For this to work, we'll need more stuff in system-config-printer-common, but it currently uses gtk. See Bug #902762. [14:36] Launchpad bug 902762 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu) "scp-dbus-service.py crashed with ImportError in __main__: No module named asyncconn" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902762 [14:37] So right now, dantti_laptop's printer then depends via dbus on gtk bits we'd prefer to avoid. [14:39] ScottK: does it use gtk? I see an "import gtk" line but I don't think it gets used [14:40] Riddell: I stopped at "import gtk". Maybe it doesn't. [14:40] Also there's three other files it uses that need to move with it. I didn't check those. [14:41] hmm those might be more problematic [14:42] dantti_laptop: I agree the U/I works much nicer when the dbus thing doesn't die. [14:42] ScottK: does with work with s-c-p-kde ? [14:42] s/with/this/ [14:42] Riddell meant: "ScottK: does this work with s-c-p-kde ?" [14:42] dantti_laptop: It would be useful to let the user know there was a problem. [14:42] Riddell: I think we don't use dbus, so we don't care. [14:42] * ScottK looks. [14:43] it does for the automatic setup [14:43] OK. [14:46] Seems to work fine. [14:47] I don't get the printer grouped into one choice, but the automagic driver selection works. [14:47] ScottK: in s-c-p-kde? [14:47] Yes. [14:48] ok that's done differently then [14:50] ScottK: are you plugging a printer in by usb to test? [14:50] Riddell: No. It's on the network. [14:50] I click add printer and it goes out and finds it. [14:51] Although it's not dantti_laptop's issue directly, I think we have to get this fixed if we're going to stick with the new one. [14:52] fregl: can you help my git foo and tell me how to get the patch at https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,32359 ? [14:52] ScottK: yep === echidnaman is now known as jtechidna [15:06] hi there i have installed the git stuff for dolphin [15:06] on kubuntu 12.10 [15:06] but it seems it doesn't show itself on dolphin [15:07] i mean the git plugin for dolphin [15:08] Peace-: could you tell me the package? [15:08] and have you tried right clicking the folder? :) [15:08] shadeslayersure [15:09] shadeslayer: sudo apt-get install dolphin kdesdk-dolphin-plugins [15:17] * shadeslayer looks [15:18] need. to. get. a. SSD [15:20] shadeslayer: have you seen ? [15:20] yeah [15:20] doesn't work it seems [15:20] assuming I'm looking in the right place [15:20] shit [15:21] shadeslayer: should be there http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/snapshot24.jpg [15:21] shadeslayer: btw ffmpeg provided by avconv doens't work for screencast [15:22] and even avconv doesn't work [15:22] :D [15:22] Peace-: you need to enable it first [15:22] Peace-: works for me [15:22] after I enable git [15:22] Riddell: ? [15:22] shadeslayer: where should i enable it ? [15:22] Peace-: click control > Configure dolphin [15:23] oh you have an old dolphin [15:23] Riddell: i am on 12.10 [15:23] and then under services [15:23] Peace-: that's not KDE SC 4.9 [15:23] ah [15:23] btw i have to say that rekonq is improved [15:24] at least i have not seen crash [15:24] but it ask me always to set the search engine [15:24] i do [15:24] and it asks again afte i restart it [15:25] report a bug upstream? [15:25] i guess i will do [15:26] hm looks like the launchpad builders are taking a nap today [15:29] Peace-: try updating kubuntu-default-settings for that [15:30] Riddell: sure [15:30] btw can someone test this ? [15:30] avconv -s 1280x800 -i :0.0 -f alsa -ac 2 -ar 48000 -i hw:0,0 -acodec pcm_s16le -vcodec ljpeg -r 15 -threads 1 -y $HOME/Screencast.avi [15:30] and [15:30] ffmpeg -s 1280x800 -i :0.0 -f alsa -ac 2 -ar 48000 -i hw:0,0 -acodec pcm_s16le -vcodec ljpeg -r 15 -threads 1 -y $HOME/Screencast.avi [15:31] both fail [15:31] instead ffmpeg compiled works [15:32] sorry before avconv and ffmpeg you should put [15:32] -f x11grab [15:34] Peace-: you'd be best to ask the ffmpeg/av maintainers [15:36] debfx: iirc it's some scheduled maintainence on the data center [15:37] I am searching for the following packages: qtdesktop phonon-declarative qtest-qml would be cool if you can help me, where they are located. I already installed nokia forum ppa [15:38] you installed what from what ppa? 0.o [15:38] xd [15:38] ok, for some reason I read that as "I already installed nokia *from* ppa" [15:38] gotwig: what's ppa did you install though? [15:38] *what [15:39] muhaha, I make kde developers laugh.. [15:39] wait ;D [15:39] Like I said, I need these packages, for compiling dragon player 3. https://launchpad.net/~forumnokia contains some needed packages, or I thought that [15:40] e.g the qt quick libraries, seem to be not in the ubuntu repos [15:40] gotwig: can I ask why you're compiling dragon 3? it not complete as far as I know [15:41] I try to [15:41] I love alpha software testing :X [15:41] but I dont wanna compile libraries [15:41] becouse they can break my system, if they are important [15:42] any idea how to install qt quick libraries? [15:42] sd [15:42] gotwig: where do you get that list of packages? I don't think there's any such thing as qtdesktop [15:42] cmake [15:43] libqt4-declarative is qt quick [15:43] of course the package names are a bit different [15:43] gotwig: pastebin the output [15:43] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1150887/ [15:49] any idea :X? [15:49] gotwig: Qt Quick Desktop Components isn't packaged, it's unreleased software (like Dragon 3) [15:50] phonon-declarative probably likewise is in a branch somewhere, apachelogger_ would know [15:50] apachelogger_: hey there [15:50] qtest-qml is also not released or packaged [15:50] Riddell: but it is in the ppa? [15:50] none of those are in PPAs as far as I know [15:52] :O [15:52] why not [15:52] maybe I shall package them [15:52] and set up recipes [16:03] gotwig: mind that phonon-qml and dragon 3 haven't been worked on in over a year, they may not work at all currently [16:03] but in the demo vid it worked, one year ago... [16:04] currently people develop I see [16:11] gotwig: just because it worked on apachelogger's computer a year ago doesn't mean it'll work on yours now (it might do, but there's no development on it that I know of) [16:11] :-) [16:11] its ok [16:11] Quintasan_: you wanted to edit the seeds? [16:11] can you use clutter with qt? [16:11] Quintasan_: I think adding krdc would be a nice idea [16:12] Quintasan_: I've already added it to the seed at lp:~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.quantal [16:12] Quintasan_: so you can update the meta package kubuntu-meta (just run the update script) [16:26] Riddell: whats that? the new url here does not work: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/desktop#more [16:26] https://codereview.qt-project.org/#q,project:playground/qtdesktopcomponents [16:29] gotwig: as I say, things change in a year, something will break [16:29] Riddell: so where is the code........... [16:30] Riddell: When you add KRDC, please do it as a Recommends. [16:35] ScottK: he did that already [16:35] OK. [16:36] does no one knows where is the qt desktop components code? [16:40] got it, git://gitorious.org/qtplayground/qtdesktopcomponents.git === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [17:16] ScottK: yup, you are right, just a warning that s-c-p-dbus failed on the konsole isn't enough, I'll probably add a warning box showing the error.. [17:17] dantti_laptop: The print job U/I is unreadable with multiple printers. [17:17] ScottK: and it's odd that the s-c-p-dbus depends on gtk tho it does makes a bit of a sense since I can ask for the add new printer wizard... [17:18] ScottK: how do you mean? [17:18] Let me find the screen shot. [17:19] dantti_laptop: This one http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/printjobs.jpeg [17:19] ScottK: do you have any sugestion? [17:19] dantti_laptop: First, a tooltip to display the missing text on hover. [17:20] I could set the "..." on the middle would help a bit [17:20] As it is, it's very hard to tell what's what. [17:20] nah plasma tooltips suck [17:20] well you can always expand it.. [17:21] Or maybe the text could wrap to multi-line? [17:21] There's no indication what the slider switch does. [17:22] ScottK sure has alot of printers :P [17:22] yup ^^ [17:22] packagers present? [17:22] do you know where I can get the qt quick phonon branch? [17:22] the code? [17:22] jo [17:22] because there's no package by that name afaik [17:22] There's actually only two, but one was added twice and it also shows up twice, so it looks like 4. [17:22] yeah [17:23] becouse of that I wanna know if packagers are there [17:23] For that, ask apachelogger_ [17:23] ScottK: well it enable/disable the printer [17:23] can you fix missing strings? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305264 [17:23] KDE bug 305264 in general "Missing and bad strings in translation template" [Major,Unconfirmed] [17:23] dantti_laptop: I guessed, but then how do I know if it worked? I know enabling isn't instant. [17:23] or confirm [17:24] ScottK: it will show printer paused below it [17:25] no the icon get 1 for opacity, [17:26] I should probably put the printer status there... [17:29] It looks like enabling failed and the transparency might be a little different, not sure. [17:31] why can KDE not use launchpad? [17:32] Because KDE is it's own thing. [17:32] They picked something different. [17:32] dantti_laptop: When I print, there's no change in what the print manager shows in the U/I. [17:32] launchpad translations are a dream for translators, ladies and gentlemen... [17:32] You are the first person I ever heard say that. [17:32] Every other translator I ever heard discuss it hated them. [17:33] I translated quite much [17:33] ;P [17:33] just my opinion.. [17:33] * ScottK <-- Not a translator, so no personal opinion. [17:33] ScottK: hmm you don't see jobs there? [17:33] dantti_laptop: Nope. [17:33] odd [17:34] why does no one confirm my bug ? I am new to KDE, just wanna know [17:34] is the printer accepting jobs? [17:34] The icon pops into the systray and I can click on it, but it just shows the single printer in use with a blank area underneath. [17:34] dantti_laptop: Yes. It printed. [17:35] hmm maybe it was too fast? try printing to a disabled(paused) printer [17:35] if the icon shows on the systray is because the job model has something.. === ejat- is now known as ejat [17:41] Tried a 100 page job. [17:41] Still nothing. [17:41] Restarted printer-applet and it showed me the job info. [17:43] gotwig: Have patience. Most of us are volunteers and all of us are busy. [17:54] dantti_laptop: Any suggestions? [17:55] gotwig: what bug? [17:56] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305264 [17:56] KDE bug 305264 in general "Missing and bad strings in translation template" [Major,Unconfirmed] [17:56] easy one [17:56] but I am new to kde [17:56] yeah well, ask in #amarok :) [17:56] they'll eventually get to it [18:00] ScottK: hmm well plasmoids and dataengines don't seem to work very well I had lots of troubless with this combination but it seemed to be working fine now.. [18:01] What KDE version are you testing with? [18:01] 4.9 [18:01] it was fine in 4.8 too [18:01] I've got 4.8.4 here. [18:02] How can we debug this? [18:02] so now that you readded the plasmoid and the job is now shown does adding a new one fix the issue? [18:02] (and did you try it with network printers?) [18:02] I'll try again. I cancelled it. [18:02] plasmoidviewer printermanager, you can also look at the dataengine to see if it's getting updated [18:03] ScottK: it should have no difference if the printer is local or remote [18:03] all your jobs stay in your cups [18:03] Well, it shold work too. [18:03] Still doesn't show up. [18:05] dantti_laptop: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/noprintjob.jpeg [18:06] There you can see them side by side. [18:07] hmm that's odd, it's probably that crap CUPS dbus registrationg thing [18:08] tho I started listening to the same deprecated dbus interface that printer-applet does (it's more reliable...) [18:08] are you running a git version? [18:08] dunno if this change was after 0.1 [18:09] I'm running whatever Riddell put in his PPA for precise. [18:11] dantti_laptop: 0.1.0+git20120813 [18:11] Riddell: ^^^ major regression #2 from my POV. [18:11] ScottK: how this works plasmaengineexplorer --engine org.kde.printjobs [18:13] yup, must be the cups crap dbus stuff, I'll add the redhat dbus to it since it's way more reliable but don't update in all cases (yes printer-applet suffers because of this too) [18:14] btw gnome also got away from s-c-p, they only use the dbus interface like I did... [18:14] so it's likely that only the dbus interface will survive [18:14] dantti_laptop: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/noprintjob1.jpeg [18:15] ScottK: so is the plasmaengineexplorer properly updating on new jobs? [18:16] It appears so. [18:16] if so then it's really odd :P [18:16] That one showed up and went away when I canceled the job. [18:16] not so much since imo the engine -> plasmoid connection is a bit weird [18:17] So I think this is one you can't blame on python or packaging ... [18:17] What else can I do to help? [18:19] try restarting plasma-desktop to see if it helps, since the engine is loaded only once.. [18:21] OK. [18:27]