[03:04] <iToast> Still no message from IRCC...
[03:04] <iToast> its augest 15 and the message was sent on the 12'th
[03:04] <bazhang> it's been just a day or so
[03:04] <iToast> "Create Date:	2012/08/12 6:30 am"
[03:05] <bazhang> no need to report here
[03:05] <iToast> I was told it will take ~3 days for a rely
[03:05] <bazhang> just wait til they respond
[03:05] <iToast> reply*
[03:05] <IdleOne> iToast: I told you to wait at least 3 days
[03:05] <IdleOne> I didn't say it would take 3 days
[03:05] <iToast> I've waited 3 days and nothing...
[03:05] <iToast> Seems like my ticket is ignored :|
[03:06] <IdleOne> emails are responded to in the order they come and when the IRCC members have time.
[03:06] <IdleOne> They volunteer just like the rest of us.
[03:06] <iToast> I thought they were paid...
[03:06] <iToast> :|
[03:06] <IdleOne> they aren't.
[03:06] <bazhang> no...
[03:06] <iToast> How come there are volenteers for ops is the real question.
[03:06] <bazhang> and not one for this channel
[03:07] <IdleOne> The real question is why you are unable to follow the channel guidelines
[03:07] <IdleOne> anyway, the IRCC will respond as soon as they can.
[03:08] <iToast> "IdleOne> The real question is why you are unable to follow the channel guidelines"
[03:08] <iToast> I didn't know it was agaisnt hte rules and didnt' repeat the action.
[03:08] <iToast> I was muted based on oppinion
[03:08] <IdleOne> iToast: opinion is spelled with one p
[03:08] <iToast> Or I'd have been muted instead of spoken to.
[03:08] <iToast> IdleOne, bad habit.
[03:10] <IdleOne> Well you have a history of being off topic and not following the guidelines since Oct 2011. I have a hard time believing that you have never been given a link to the guidelines in all this time
[03:10] <iToast> I've been given many links
[03:10] <iToast> Some of them even try and tell users how the internet is to be used and not used
[03:11] <IdleOne> So, the mute/ban will remain. There is no need for you to come here every couple of days. When the IRCC has time they will answer your email.
[03:11] <iToast> The mute / ban was over opppinion not rules.
[03:12] <iToast> as i've started many times. Just reading the IRC log when it happened even shows that.
[03:12] <iToast> Still being a +o makes you more trustable then logs to most people :|
[03:12] <IdleOne> it is my opinion that the rules were enforced properly by bazhang. You dispute this ruling and that is your right. Now wait for the IRCC to respond.
[03:12] <iToast> "it is my opinion that the rules were enforced properly by bazhang."
[03:12] <iToast> Did you read the log?
[03:12] <IdleOne> I did.
[03:13] <iToast> Clearly not.
[03:13] <IdleOne> you got muted for arguing your opinion of the rule.
[03:13] <iToast> i said its my oppinion.
[03:13] <iToast> I didnt repeat it and having a oppinion doesn't violate the rules
[03:13] <IdleOne> and it is our opinion that you are wrong.
[03:13] <iToast> Its my oppinon he's in the wrong.
[03:14] <IdleOne> fine. wait for the IRCC to decide.
[03:15] <iToast> I'm just going to go on the assumption you are his friend.
[03:15] <IdleOne> but keep in mind that past history does come into consideration. Our ops don't go about banning people for no reason.
[03:15] <iToast> "Our ops don't go about banning people for no reason." Oppisite day?
[03:16] <IdleOne> iToast: This discussion is over. Please part the channel and patiently wait for the IRCC response.
[03:16] <iToast> IdleOne, You say that because oyu know your pal is in the wrong.
[03:16] <iToast> Friendship > Being Biased...
[03:16] <IdleOne> I say it because I am tired of explaining the same thing over and over to you.
[03:20] <iToast> Amazing not +q'd here for having a oppinion.
[03:20] <iToast> Can I atleast get a estimated time when I'l get a reply?
[03:20] <IdleOne> sure
[03:20] <IdleOne> between right now and Dec 31
[03:21] <IdleOne> 2012
[03:21] <iToast> ...
[03:21] <iToast> I'm surprised I'm not +q'd or +b'd here
[03:21] <iToast> if you want me im in #defocus and I'l speak freely there as it's a open land.
[03:21] <IdleOne> iToast: have you tried to join #ubuntu in the past 3 days?
[03:21] <iToast> Finally removed.
[03:22] <IdleOne> you were never banned
[03:22] <IdleOne> Get out now and don't make me have to ban you for real :)
[03:22] <iToast> I was.
[03:22] <iToast> It told me i as banned every time I tried to join.
[03:22] <iToast> 3_3
[03:22] <bazhang> cloaking to bypass the ban
[03:26] <IdleOne> iToast: Please do not idle in here.
[03:31] <iToast> I got busy in another channel.
[03:31] <IdleOne> What do you need?
[03:31] <iToast> I just wanted to say something
[03:31] <iToast> I'm insulted by this "<bazhang> you  just cloaked to bypass it" as I'm always cloaked by Freenode by default.
[03:32] <bazhang> and the gateway overrides it
[03:32] <iToast> That's like accusing me of evading a ban to use in your argument against me and is wrong.
[03:32] <IdleOne> iToast: Please just stop.
[03:32] <iToast> IdleOne, I got accused of ban evaded witch wont help my argument
[03:32] <iToast> bazhang, I always use irc.freenode.net and always get cloaked.
[03:32] <IdleOne> There is no argument, you are no longer banned.
[03:32] <iToast> I'm +q'd.
[03:33] <IdleOne> you are not
[03:33] <bazhang> yes.
[03:33] <iToast> "* #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel"
[03:33] <IdleOne> you can speak in #ubuntu
[03:33] <bazhang> IdleOne, he is +q
[03:33] <iToast> iToast> test
[03:33] <iToast> * #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel
 test
[03:33] <iToast> * #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel
 etst
[03:33] <iToast> * #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel
[03:33] <IdleOne> so why am I able to see what he posted earlier?
[03:33] <iToast> I really need to remove the \r\n to prevent flood.
[03:33] <iToast> IdleOne, I was unmuted then remuted.
[03:33] <bazhang> cloaking to bypass a +q is not a valid method of resolving this
[03:33] <iToast> bazhang, says I evaded it with a cloak.
[03:34] <iToast> I didn't.
[03:34] <IdleOne> bazhang: I see.
[03:34] <iToast> My cloak is always on.
[03:34] <bazhang> remove with a gateway client, and you are +q
[03:34] <iToast> Letme find out the day I got my cloak
[03:34] <iToast> what gateway client?!
[03:35] <iToast> I'm finding out the date.
[03:35] <bazhang> iToast, no need.
[03:35] <bazhang> you were on the gateway client, got removed.
[03:35] <bazhang> that gets a +q
[03:36] <bazhang> you rejoin with a different irc client, this time the cloak is there
[03:36] <iToast> "different irc client,"
[03:36] <bazhang> not a valid method of resolving the +q
[03:37] <iToast> anyone client I've used still gives my cloak.
[03:37] <iToast> I only started to use HexChat AFTER the initial +q.
[03:37] <bazhang> not the gateway one, no
[03:37] <iToast> It told me i was cloaked.
[03:38] <bazhang> you are welcome to confirm in #freenode  , that in fact the gateway overrides a cloak
[03:38] <iToast> Yes but you're saying I used a cloak to evade on purpose.
[03:39] <bazhang> the +q was put on as you are using a different irc client, which is cloaked.
[03:39] <bazhang> no change
[03:39] <iToast> Yes but you are acting like I was trying to evade.
[03:40] <bazhang> iToast, you have set an appeal in motion. there is no resolution here .
[03:40] <iToast> "<bazhang> iToast, you have set an appeal in motion. there is no resolution here ." It never had to go this far.
[03:42] <bazhang> iToast, you have done step one, which is visit this channel. follow the rest of the steps as step one is over.
[03:42] <iToast> I have to wait months basically to get a -q over a oppinion based +q.
[03:42] <iToast> I also asked others by creating a *what if* kind of situation about this
[03:43] <iToast> they agreed'd with me.
[03:43] <iToast> Outsiders with no inlook into the problem... It never actually had to be this big of a issue
[03:45] <bazhang> iToast, please dont idle here. step one is completed. wait patiently for a response from the IRCC. Thanks.
[03:45] <iToast> Well I have to waste 2 - 3 months waiting for a -q.... over a oppinion based +q that won't be delt with
[04:04] <elky> He is aware what an "opinion" is, yes?
[06:31] <Tm_T> hohum
[09:49] <chu> elky: Are you around?
[09:57] <elky> yup?
[09:59] <chu> elky: AtomicSpark has queried me, he has explained both *why* he was banned in the first place, and the he understands he walks extremely close to the border in regards to the channel rules. But, I don't think it's up to me whether or not to accept his apology. It's not up to me whether or not to remove the ban. So, I'll leave it to you, is that alright?
[09:59] <AtomicSpark> elky: Around?
[09:59] <elky> Yes
[10:01] <AtomicSpark> So chu explained what happened the other day (a query would have been nice, since apparently I don't get kick messages with quassel and much confusion was had) and I do see how my random comments can be contrived as being racist and I know I've had issues with that in the past. So I apologise, and understand, etc.
[10:03] <elky> AtomicSpark, how are you going to stop future infractions from happening?
[10:08] <AtomicSpark> Well I think I'm going to try to refrain from my usual random comments and be more constructive from now on. I do appreciate the leniency I have been given to in the past, although most probably don't agree with it. I'd continue but I'd feel that would come across as "sucking up" at that point.
[10:20] <chu> AtomicSpark: So, I'm not entirely convinced you *will* change. So, I'm willing to keep an eye on what you say in the channel. So, at best you could consider yourself with a short probation period here.
[10:20] <chu> However, if elky is fine with the above. I will remove the ban.
[10:25] <bazhang> the "security team" ?
[10:27] <elky> chu, i'll wait for AtomicSpark's response to you first, I think
[10:28] <AtomicSpark> elky: A probation period would probably do me some good.
[10:30] <elky> chu, ok, lift it. I have to go wash this dye out
[10:31] <AtomicSpark> elky: Wonderful, thank you.
[10:31] <AtomicSpark> I was starting to feel the IRC withdrawl itch. :\
[10:33] <chu> Thanks elky.
 my ubuntu 12.04 installation seems to have encountered some turbulence overnight
[16:04] <bazhang> sounds like a flight
[16:56] <mneptok> Please return your seat backs and tray tables to their upright and locked positions.
[16:57]  * Fuchs gnaws on some random cables
[17:04] <mneptok> Ladies and gentlemen, this is the flight deck. We've got some user-maintained PPAs in our scheduled flight path. We're turning the seat belt sign back on. Please do retake your seats. Crew, prepare the cabin.
[19:37] <bioterror> nice nickname
[22:42] <iToast> Wow, this is a first. No Thumbs.
[22:43] <iToast> Just checking because I was curious.
[22:44] <Jordan_U> Thumbs?
[22:44] <IdleOne> thumbs is a staffer
[22:44] <IdleOne> he doesn't idle here
[23:10] <Fuchs> now that is news to me. Anyway, night.
[23:18] <jagginess> harris is trolling
[23:56] <IdleOne> oh, my bad. thumbs isn't a staffer but he is often helping in #freenode