| === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za | ||
| Squirm | lo | 05:09 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | cremora minora | 05:20 |
| magespawn | morning all | 05:38 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 05:38 |
| Kilos | you early | 05:38 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 05:38 |
| Kilos | only us here | 05:39 |
| magespawn | the early bird gets the worm | 05:41 |
| magespawn | so #ubuntu-za is now wormless | 05:41 |
| Kilos | lol | 05:42 |
| * Kilos chomps my share of them worms | 05:43 | |
| magespawn | brb | 05:45 |
| magespawn | back still not sure what is wrong with quasselcore and now need to do other work first | 05:48 |
| Kilos | k | 05:55 |
| Squirm | morning | 05:58 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm | 06:01 |
| Kilos | morning SmilyBorg_w | 06:10 |
| SmilyBorg_w | Morning | 06:10 |
| === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg | ||
| magespawn | hi Squirm SmilyBorg | 06:16 |
| SmilyBorg | Hi magespawn | 06:16 |
| magespawn | brb | 06:19 |
| === magespawn_ is now known as magespawn | ||
| magespawn | right now things are as they should be | 06:21 |
| Kilos | hmmm yoyo | 06:21 |
| magespawn | quassel is going again | 06:22 |
| Kilos | what was wrong magespawn ? | 06:26 |
| magespawn | looks like the core had stopped | 06:26 |
| Kilos | or what caused it to not work last night | 06:26 |
| magespawn | not quite sure ping replys were very slow | 06:27 |
| Kilos | these things are sent to test us | 06:27 |
| magespawn | so maybe it was working but just taking to long to connect | 06:27 |
| magespawn | I am also steaming the radio over the same line | 06:28 |
| magespawn | streaming | 06:28 |
| Kilos | you connect to it from your fone? from home? | 06:28 |
| magespawn | yes | 06:28 |
| magespawn | and over the local network when I am in the shop | 06:28 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 06:29 |
| Kilos | i shoulda been 30 years younger | 06:29 |
| Kilos | member i told you that cpu was warming up but no beeps or anything | 06:30 |
| Kilos | found the prob | 06:30 |
| jrgns | monring all | 06:30 |
| Kilos | whoever sold the mb to ian had tried to remove the cpu with a screwdriver and damaged the connections on the mb | 06:31 |
| Kilos | hi jrgns | 06:31 |
| Kilos | monring to you too | 06:31 |
| magespawn | that sucks, can you fix it? | 06:34 |
| Kilos | nope the fool ripped the gold connectors outa their holes | 06:35 |
| Kilos | had to use 2 pairs of glasses and a magnifying glass to see it though | 06:36 |
| Kilos | peeps are so crooked | 06:36 |
| Kilos | and stupid, cpu lifts easy with fingers if you unlock it first | 06:38 |
| magespawn | yup | 06:38 |
| magespawn | i had a board in the shop where the person had put the ram in back to front | 06:39 |
| Kilos | what about the slot? | 06:39 |
| magespawn | exactly, they just forced it in | 06:39 |
| Kilos | can only go one way | 06:39 |
| Kilos | eish | 06:39 |
| magespawn | apparently not | 06:39 |
| magespawn | can go anyway you make it | 06:40 |
| Kilos | lol | 06:40 |
| Kilos | old saying | 06:40 |
| Kilos | met force can jy jou finger in jou poepol afbreek | 06:40 |
| magespawn | lol | 06:41 |
| inetpro | who stole all the worms? | 06:47 |
| inetpro | good mornings to everyone | 06:47 |
| jrgns | morning | 06:47 |
| Kilos | yo inetpro hows you | 06:48 |
| Kilos | i see you still scroll back | 06:48 |
| * inetpro will be awake in a few hours | 06:49 | |
| Kilos | k | 06:50 |
| magespawn | hi inetpro | 06:50 |
| magespawn | we can keep worms but only on special request | 06:50 |
| Kilos | lol | 06:51 |
| magespawn | bbl going to do some ressearch | 06:52 |
| Kilos | k | 06:53 |
| Kilos | DigiGram_, welcome to our twitter announcements | 07:08 |
| === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za | ||
| Kilos | hi Trixar_za | 07:11 |
| Trixar_za | Hey Kilos | 07:11 |
| Trixar_za | I had a look at how many IT related businesses are in or near Brackenfell | 07:12 |
| Trixar_za | It's quite a few | 07:12 |
| Kilos | now to find the right one and get employment there | 07:16 |
| Trixar_za | What other WYSIWYG tools are there in Linux besides Bluefish? | 07:18 |
| Trixar_za | I used to know a few, but I've forgotten most of them | 07:18 |
| Trixar_za | :P | 07:18 |
| tonberryE352 | tools that do what? | 07:18 |
| Kilos | lol old man | 07:19 |
| Trixar_za | Website design | 07:19 |
| tonberryE352 | don't know, never tried.. | 07:19 |
| Kerbero | kompozer | 07:19 |
| Kerbero | but i would not use it if i were you | 07:19 |
| Kerbero | just code the site by hand | 07:19 |
| tonberryE352 | the sites i maintain are butt ugly and hand written | 07:19 |
| Kilos | Maaz, google linux WYSIWYG tools | 07:20 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "Linux/UNIX WYSIWYG Editors - Web Design / HTML - About.com" http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmleditors/tp/aatpwyslinux.htm :: "20 Best HTML Editors for Linux and UNIX - Web Design / HTML ..." http://webdesign.about.com/od/linuxunixhtmleditors/tp/best_linux_html_editors.htm :: "25 Useful WYSIWYG Editors Reviewed | Smashing Magazine" http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/05/06/25-wysiwyg-editors-reviewed/ :: "BlueGriffon 1.0 Released: O | 07:20 |
| Kerbero | your best bet is still dreamweaver in windows | 07:20 |
| Kilos | hi tonberryE352 | 07:20 |
| tonberryE352 | hallo | 07:21 |
| Kilos | and Kerbero | 07:21 |
| Kerbero | dag | 07:21 |
| Kilos | second link Trixar_za 20 of them | 07:21 |
| tonberryE352 | does it count as wysiwyg if you have a browser window open on auto refresh? | 07:23 |
| Kilos | grr power cut | 07:40 |
| Trixar_za | wb Kilos | 07:44 |
| Kilos | ty Trixar_za | 07:49 |
| DigiGram_ | <tonberryE352> does it count as wysiwyg if you have a browser window open on auto refresh? --> for me it works like that... | 07:51 |
| tonberryE352 | pretty much what i do as well | 07:58 |
| tonberryE352 | sans the auto refresh | 07:58 |
| superfly | ohi | 07:58 |
| superfly | if you can't get your design right, then no matter what tool you use, you'll end up with an ugly/unusable site | 08:03 |
| superfly | stay away from WYSIWYG, it only hides the problem and makes it worse | 08:04 |
| tonberryE352 | that and dont use php... | 08:06 |
| Kilos | morning superfly | 08:11 |
| superfly | tonberryE352: that too :-) | 08:11 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 08:11 |
| tonberryE352 | its harder to code good php than good c... | 08:12 |
| tonberryE352 | at least c has valgrind to tell you where you screwed up | 08:12 |
| jrgns | can i introduce you to phpmd and other tools? | 08:20 |
| smile | hi :) | 08:32 |
| Kilos | hi smile | 08:35 |
| smile | hi Kilos :p | 08:36 |
| DigiGram_ | then what do you prefer instead of php? | 08:40 |
| tonberryE352 | dont know yet | 08:40 |
| tonberryE352 | maybe python | 08:41 |
| tonberryE352 | just not php again | 08:41 |
| DigiGram_ | haven't tried python on the web before, but I like python, will look at that next time | 08:41 |
| tonberryE352 | http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ | 08:45 |
| Trixar_za | Well, generally I just use a text editor, lighttpd or nginx web server with php and firefox to test stuff | 09:16 |
| DigiGram_ | same here | 09:16 |
| Trixar_za | But ol' windows users need a more graphical approach | 09:16 |
| DigiGram_ | even on windows thats the way I do it | 09:16 |
| Trixar_za | Oh and lots and lots of googling | 09:17 |
| Trixar_za | :P | 09:17 |
| Trixar_za | Mostly because php is a pain | 09:17 |
| DigiGram_ | I find the doc's to be rather well constructed | 09:21 |
| DigiGram_ | but I must admit, its not close to as easy as Python | 09:22 |
| superfly | Python FTW | 09:23 |
| DigiGram_ | I got introduced to Python during Sebastian Thruns AI class, from there on during udacity courses I decided to switch to Python, and now I'm using PyQt with it | 09:26 |
| Trixar_za | I never really learned GUI programming as a whole | 09:26 |
| Trixar_za | :p | 09:26 |
| Kilos | how do you know if your cpu is a 32bit 0or 64bit cpu? | 09:40 |
| Kerbero | well i guess it should say when you do | 09:41 |
| Kerbero | cat /proc/cpuinfo | 09:41 |
| Kilos | ty | 09:41 |
| Kerbero | but i can't find it on mine now | 09:41 |
| Kilos | worked kiff here ty | 09:43 |
| Kerbero | ahh | 09:43 |
| Kilos | tons of info | 09:43 |
| Kerbero | if it has "lm" it is 64 | 09:43 |
| Kerbero | "pm" for 32 | 09:43 |
| Kerbero | under the flags section | 09:43 |
| Kerbero | awk '$1 ~ /flags/ && $0 ~ / lm / {print "64-bit CPU"}' /proc/cpuinfo | 09:44 |
| Kilos | flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat | 09:44 |
| Kerbero | that command works quite nicely too | 09:44 |
| Kilos | lemme try | 09:44 |
| Kilos | no output | 09:44 |
| Kilos | must be a 32 | 09:45 |
| Kerbero | ok then you have a 32bit | 09:45 |
| Kilos | ty Kerbero | 09:45 |
| Kilos | so my server cd wont work, it be 64b | 09:45 |
| Kerbero | if you run | 09:46 |
| Kerbero | lshw -class processor | 09:46 |
| DigiGram_ | I need to learn awk | 09:46 |
| Kerbero | then there it should say "width: XXXX" | 09:46 |
| DigiGram_ | dang this "old" pc I got to make a small backup/print server from is better than my workstation at hom... | 09:47 |
| Kilos | yeah width 32 bits | 09:49 |
| Trixar_za | bbl | 10:09 |
| === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za | ||
| zeref | hurrrmmm | 11:09 |
| zeref | tumbleweed: when i build my program, i get: non-standard-dir-in-usr usr/ui/, i had a look see at http://lintian.debian.org/tags but it does not say what to do about it. | 11:11 |
| superfly | zeref: what language/type of app? | 11:14 |
| zeref | python + Gtk | 11:15 |
| superfly | Python stuff should be built using setup.py and then your package should take care of installing it | 11:15 |
| superfly | zeref: this is the debian package for one of my open source projects that is written in PyQt4: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openlp-core/openlp/debian-package/files | 11:19 |
| zeref | superfly: I have a setup.py file in there, i'm following this guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python | 11:22 |
| superfly | zeref: are you following CDDB or debhelper? | 11:23 |
| zeref | debhelper | 11:24 |
| superfly | good | 11:24 |
| zeref | i'm also using http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html for the debian folder | 11:27 |
| inetpro | tonberryE352 and others: when you say you use auto refresh do you mean having the code built in to the page as you develop or do you use a browser addon? And what browser addon do you use for auto refresh? | 11:42 |
| inetpro | interesting idea | 11:42 |
| tonberryE352 | auto in my case means my finger | 11:42 |
| inetpro | lol | 11:42 |
| inetpro | I guess it's as easy as that | 11:42 |
| DigiGram | F5 hehe | 11:43 |
| DigiGram | or you can add a bit of code in your php to refresh the page each second | 11:43 |
| inetpro | I see that there is a firefox addon as well https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/reloadevery/ | 11:44 |
| inetpro | and probably for chrome and others as well | 11:44 |
| inetpro | but I haven't tried it | 11:44 |
| tumbleweed | zeref: usr/ui is not a standard directory, no | 12:15 |
| tumbleweed | zeref: I suggest putting everything in /usr/share/$package | 12:15 |
| zeref | do i set that in the setup.py file? | 12:19 |
| tumbleweed | generally, the easiest approach is to call setup.py with --install-lib /usr/share/$package --install-data /usr/share/$package (or something like that) | 12:20 |
| zeref | lost me there, lol. Is there a guide somewhere? | 12:22 |
| tumbleweed | I mean, don't do anything special *in* the setup.py | 12:22 |
| tumbleweed | just tell it to install the data somewhere sensible when you call it in debian/rules | 12:22 |
| tumbleweed | because the somewhere sensible for a package is different to the somewhere sensible for someone installing from source | 12:23 |
| zeref | oh, i see | 12:24 |
| zeref | thanks | 12:25 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 13:58 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 13:58 | |
| Kilos | inetpro, koffietyd dan kan jy begin werk | 13:59 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee for all | 13:59 |
| Maaz | Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already | 13:59 |
| inetpro | Kilos: dankie | 13:59 |
| inetpro | Maaz: coffee please | 13:59 |
| Maaz | inetpro: Alrighty | 13:59 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro! | 14:02 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 14:03 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 14:03 |
| inetpro | Maaz: tks | 14:13 |
| Maaz | For you I killa de bull | 14:13 |
| Kilos | hehe | 14:13 |
| zeref | yay, fixed :D | 14:31 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 14:44 |
| inetpro | Unity 2D Removed from Ubuntu 12.10 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/unity-2d-removed-from-ubuntu-12-10 | 14:45 |
| inetpro | interestint that ^^ | 14:45 |
| inetpro | interesting as well | 14:45 |
| Kilos | hmm | 14:57 |
| Kilos | ha ha ha maar ek is dom | 15:26 |
| Kilos | ek kan mos sudo aptitude hold firefox doen | 15:29 |
| Kilos | my weer 30m gekos vandag | 15:29 |
| Kilos | grrr | 15:29 |
| smile | Hi :) | 16:08 |
| Kilos | hi smile | 16:08 |
| smile | I switched over to Enlightenment :) | 16:08 |
| Kilos | whats that? | 16:08 |
| smile | an window manager, commonly used as desktop environment | 16:09 |
| smile | Kilos: very lightweight :) | 16:10 |
| Kilos | what were you using | 16:10 |
| smile | Unity | 16:10 |
| smile | It can't be more different, Kilos | 16:11 |
| Kilos | does it look like gnome2 | 16:11 |
| smile | Yeah, but more modern :) | 16:12 |
| Kilos | top and bottom panels? | 16:12 |
| smile | only bottom :) | 16:12 |
| Kilos | eish | 16:20 |
| Kilos | i got spoiled with gnome2 | 16:20 |
| smile | :P | 16:20 |
| Kilos | i think it is more efficient than unity | 16:20 |
| smile | well Unity is good, but Enlightenment is better ;) | 16:21 |
| smile | I was running live cd mode in 130 megabyte ram :o | 16:21 |
| Kilos | did you use gnome2 | 16:21 |
| smile | including some small programs | 16:21 |
| smile | of course i did :) | 16:21 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:21 |
| smile | unity hud requires already 100 megabyte xD | 16:22 |
| Kilos | you tink unity is better than gnome2? | 16:22 |
| Kilos | think | 16:22 |
| smile | Nope, but it's evolving :) | 16:22 |
| smile | and one day it may become better :) | 16:22 |
| Kilos | have you looked at cinnamon | 16:22 |
| Kilos | im tempted to try it | 16:23 |
| smile | yes, Kilos | 16:23 |
| smile | but it's not what I was looking for | 16:23 |
| Kilos | and? | 16:23 |
| Kilos | oh you breaking away from the gnome2 look | 16:23 |
| smile | Kilos: I'm only accepting changes that make my life easier or better | 16:24 |
| smile | :) | 16:24 |
| smile | So no cinnamon, gnome3 or unity for me anymore | 16:24 |
| Kilos | can you add panels? | 16:25 |
| smile | yes, 4 :o | 16:25 |
| Kilos | hmmm | 16:26 |
| smile | Kilos: not enough for you? ;) | 16:26 |
| Kilos | how big is the download for Enlightenment | 16:26 |
| Kilos | yes i like top and bottom | 16:26 |
| Kilos | with 9 desktops | 16:27 |
| smile | Kilos: enlightenment I don't know, but bodhi is about 500 megabyte :) | 16:27 |
| Kilos | eish | 16:27 |
| smile | I'll look for you | 16:27 |
| smile | they have smaller versions too | 16:27 |
| Kilos | no ill stay on unity then | 16:27 |
| smile | 525.9 MB <- bodhi (complete linux distribution) :p | 16:28 |
| Kilos | too much | 16:29 |
| smile | not for me :) | 16:30 |
| smile | ubuntu is about 700 megabyte :p | 16:31 |
| Kilos | yes but i didnt have to download it | 16:32 |
| Kilos | i got a genuine cd | 16:32 |
| Kilos | hi psydroid | 16:32 |
| smile | Kilos: okay :p | 16:33 |
| psydroid | hi Kilos and smile | 16:34 |
| Kilos | hmm busy channel this | 17:32 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 17:33 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 17:33 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 17:37 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 17:37 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 17:37 |
| Android83 | evening all | 17:52 |
| === Android83 is now known as mage-who-cannot- | ||
| === mage-who-cannot- is now known as magedroid | ||
| smile | bye everyone :) | 17:55 |
| smile | see ya in two days :) | 17:55 |
| Kilos | ok be good | 17:55 |
| magedroid | cheers smile | 17:55 |
| Kilos | hi and | 17:55 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:55 |
| smile | Kilos: thanks :) | 17:56 |
| Kilos | yo magedroid | 17:56 |
| Kilos | enjoy smile | 17:56 |
| smile | :D | 17:56 |
| magedroid | hey Kilos | 17:56 |
| Kilos | nothing happening here tonight | 17:57 |
| magedroid | brb | 17:57 |
| magedroid | Hey Kilos | 17:58 |
| magedroid | Quite night | 17:58 |
| Kilos | hey magedroid | 17:58 |
| Kilos | quiet ya | 17:59 |
| Kilos | them fones start with an auto caps letter? | 17:59 |
| magedroid | Something like thatnyes | 17:59 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:59 |
| magedroid | And cannot ty0e either | 18:00 |
| Kilos | haha | 18:00 |
| Kilos | superfly, if i install nvidia-current and on reboot the screen goes to 640x480 resolution again will aptitude remove nvidia-current let my screen be ok again? | 18:02 |
| Kilos | dont feel like another clean install | 18:02 |
| superfly | Kilos: not necessarily, but if you remove nvidia-* then that should get rid of it | 18:34 |
| superfly | magedroid: I agree, it is difficult to type with an on-screen keyboard | 18:35 |
| Kilos | ty superfly i dunno why it did that last time. i didnt see anywhere in the conf that it was to be set to that stupid size | 18:35 |
| magedroid | superfly also not too sure what is stopping me from getting through to my quassel at the shop | 19:16 |
| magedroid | Will have to check firewalls and port forwarding tomrrow | 19:18 |
| magedroid | Also the ddclient make sure that is updating correctly | 19:18 |
| magedroid | Good night all. | 19:55 |
| === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za | ||
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!