=== Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [05:09] lo [05:20] cremora minora [05:38] morning all [05:38] hi magespawn [05:38] you early [05:38] hey Kilos [05:39] only us here [05:41] the early bird gets the worm [05:41] so #ubuntu-za is now wormless [05:42] lol [05:43] * Kilos chomps my share of them worms [05:45] brb [05:48] back still not sure what is wrong with quasselcore and now need to do other work first [05:55] k [05:58] morning [06:01] hi Squirm [06:10] morning SmilyBorg_w [06:10] Morning === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [06:16] hi Squirm SmilyBorg [06:16] Hi magespawn [06:19] brb === magespawn_ is now known as magespawn [06:21] right now things are as they should be [06:21] hmmm yoyo [06:22] quassel is going again [06:26] what was wrong magespawn ? [06:26] looks like the core had stopped [06:26] or what caused it to not work last night [06:27] not quite sure ping replys were very slow [06:27] these things are sent to test us [06:27] so maybe it was working but just taking to long to connect [06:28] I am also steaming the radio over the same line [06:28] streaming [06:28] you connect to it from your fone? from home? [06:28] yes [06:28] and over the local network when I am in the shop [06:29] sjoe [06:29] i shoulda been 30 years younger [06:30] member i told you that cpu was warming up but no beeps or anything [06:30] found the prob [06:30] monring all [06:31] whoever sold the mb to ian had tried to remove the cpu with a screwdriver and damaged the connections on the mb [06:31] hi jrgns [06:31] monring to you too [06:34] that sucks, can you fix it? [06:35] nope the fool ripped the gold connectors outa their holes [06:36] had to use 2 pairs of glasses and a magnifying glass to see it though [06:36] peeps are so crooked [06:38] and stupid, cpu lifts easy with fingers if you unlock it first [06:38] yup [06:39] i had a board in the shop where the person had put the ram in back to front [06:39] what about the slot? [06:39] exactly, they just forced it in [06:39] can only go one way [06:39] eish [06:39] apparently not [06:40] can go anyway you make it [06:40] lol [06:40] old saying [06:40] met force can jy jou finger in jou poepol afbreek [06:41] lol [06:47] who stole all the worms? [06:47] good mornings to everyone [06:47] morning [06:48] yo inetpro hows you [06:48] i see you still scroll back [06:49] * inetpro will be awake in a few hours [06:50] k [06:50] hi inetpro [06:50] we can keep worms but only on special request [06:51] lol [06:52] bbl going to do some ressearch [06:53] k [07:08] DigiGram_, welcome to our twitter announcements === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [07:11] hi Trixar_za [07:11] Hey Kilos [07:12] I had a look at how many IT related businesses are in or near Brackenfell [07:12] It's quite a few [07:16] now to find the right one and get employment there [07:18] What other WYSIWYG tools are there in Linux besides Bluefish? [07:18] I used to know a few, but I've forgotten most of them [07:18] :P [07:18] tools that do what? [07:19] lol old man [07:19] Website design [07:19] don't know, never tried.. [07:19] kompozer [07:19] but i would not use it if i were you [07:19] just code the site by hand [07:19] the sites i maintain are butt ugly and hand written [07:20] Maaz, google linux WYSIWYG tools [07:20] Kilos: "Linux/UNIX WYSIWYG Editors - Web Design / HTML - About.com" http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmleditors/tp/aatpwyslinux.htm :: "20 Best HTML Editors for Linux and UNIX - Web Design / HTML ..." http://webdesign.about.com/od/linuxunixhtmleditors/tp/best_linux_html_editors.htm :: "25 Useful WYSIWYG Editors Reviewed | Smashing Magazine" http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/05/06/25-wysiwyg-editors-reviewed/ :: "BlueGriffon 1.0 Released: O [07:20] your best bet is still dreamweaver in windows [07:20] hi tonberryE352 [07:21] hallo [07:21] and Kerbero [07:21] dag [07:21] second link Trixar_za 20 of them [07:23] does it count as wysiwyg if you have a browser window open on auto refresh? [07:40] grr power cut [07:44] wb Kilos [07:49] ty Trixar_za [07:51] does it count as wysiwyg if you have a browser window open on auto refresh? --> for me it works like that... [07:58] pretty much what i do as well [07:58] sans the auto refresh [07:58] ohi [08:03] if you can't get your design right, then no matter what tool you use, you'll end up with an ugly/unusable site [08:04] stay away from WYSIWYG, it only hides the problem and makes it worse [08:06] that and dont use php... [08:11] morning superfly [08:11] tonberryE352: that too :-) [08:11] hi Kilos [08:12] its harder to code good php than good c... [08:12] at least c has valgrind to tell you where you screwed up [08:20] can i introduce you to phpmd and other tools? [08:32] hi :) [08:35] hi smile [08:36] hi Kilos :p [08:40] then what do you prefer instead of php? [08:40] dont know yet [08:41] maybe python [08:41] just not php again [08:41] haven't tried python on the web before, but I like python, will look at that next time [08:45] http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ [09:16] Well, generally I just use a text editor, lighttpd or nginx web server with php and firefox to test stuff [09:16] same here [09:16] But ol' windows users need a more graphical approach [09:16] even on windows thats the way I do it [09:17] Oh and lots and lots of googling [09:17] :P [09:17] Mostly because php is a pain [09:21] I find the doc's to be rather well constructed [09:22] but I must admit, its not close to as easy as Python [09:23] Python FTW [09:26] I got introduced to Python during Sebastian Thruns AI class, from there on during udacity courses I decided to switch to Python, and now I'm using PyQt with it [09:26] I never really learned GUI programming as a whole [09:26] :p [09:40] how do you know if your cpu is a 32bit 0or 64bit cpu? [09:41] well i guess it should say when you do [09:41] cat /proc/cpuinfo [09:41] ty [09:41] but i can't find it on mine now [09:43] worked kiff here ty [09:43] ahh [09:43] tons of info [09:43] if it has "lm" it is 64 [09:43] "pm" for 32 [09:43] under the flags section [09:44] awk '$1 ~ /flags/ && $0 ~ / lm / {print "64-bit CPU"}' /proc/cpuinfo [09:44] flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat [09:44] that command works quite nicely too [09:44] lemme try [09:44] no output [09:45] must be a 32 [09:45] ok then you have a 32bit [09:45] ty Kerbero [09:45] so my server cd wont work, it be 64b [09:46] if you run [09:46] lshw -class processor [09:46] I need to learn awk [09:46] then there it should say "width: XXXX" [09:47] dang this "old" pc I got to make a small backup/print server from is better than my workstation at hom... [09:49] yeah width 32 bits [10:09] bbl === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [11:09] hurrrmmm [11:11] tumbleweed: when i build my program, i get: non-standard-dir-in-usr usr/ui/, i had a look see at http://lintian.debian.org/tags but it does not say what to do about it. [11:14] zeref: what language/type of app? [11:15] python + Gtk [11:15] Python stuff should be built using setup.py and then your package should take care of installing it [11:19] zeref: this is the debian package for one of my open source projects that is written in PyQt4: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openlp-core/openlp/debian-package/files [11:22] superfly: I have a setup.py file in there, i'm following this guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python [11:23] zeref: are you following CDDB or debhelper? [11:24] debhelper [11:24] good [11:27] i'm also using http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html for the debian folder [11:42] tonberryE352 and others: when you say you use auto refresh do you mean having the code built in to the page as you develop or do you use a browser addon? And what browser addon do you use for auto refresh? [11:42] interesting idea [11:42] auto in my case means my finger [11:42] lol [11:42] I guess it's as easy as that [11:43] F5 hehe [11:43] or you can add a bit of code in your php to refresh the page each second [11:44] I see that there is a firefox addon as well https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/reloadevery/ [11:44] and probably for chrome and others as well [11:44] but I haven't tried it [12:15] zeref: usr/ui is not a standard directory, no [12:15] zeref: I suggest putting everything in /usr/share/$package [12:19] do i set that in the setup.py file? [12:20] generally, the easiest approach is to call setup.py with --install-lib /usr/share/$package --install-data /usr/share/$package (or something like that) [12:22] lost me there, lol. Is there a guide somewhere? [12:22] I mean, don't do anything special *in* the setup.py [12:22] just tell it to install the data somewhere sensible when you call it in debian/rules [12:23] because the somewhere sensible for a package is different to the somewhere sensible for someone installing from source [12:24] oh, i see [12:25] thanks [13:58] Maaz, coffee on [13:58] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [13:59] inetpro, koffietyd dan kan jy begin werk [13:59] Maaz, coffee for all [13:59] Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already [13:59] Kilos: dankie [13:59] Maaz: coffee please [13:59] inetpro: Alrighty [14:02] Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro! [14:03] Maaz, ty [14:03] You are welcome Kilos [14:13] Maaz: tks [14:13] For you I killa de bull [14:13] hehe [14:31] yay, fixed :D [14:44] hmm... [14:45] Unity 2D Removed from Ubuntu 12.10 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/unity-2d-removed-from-ubuntu-12-10 [14:45] interestint that ^^ [14:45] interesting as well [14:57] hmm [15:26] ha ha ha maar ek is dom [15:29] ek kan mos sudo aptitude hold firefox doen [15:29] my weer 30m gekos vandag [15:29] grrr [16:08] Hi :) [16:08] hi smile [16:08] I switched over to Enlightenment :) [16:08] whats that? [16:09] an window manager, commonly used as desktop environment [16:10] Kilos: very lightweight :) [16:10] what were you using [16:10] Unity [16:11] It can't be more different, Kilos [16:11] does it look like gnome2 [16:12] Yeah, but more modern :) [16:12] top and bottom panels? [16:12] only bottom :) [16:20] eish [16:20] i got spoiled with gnome2 [16:20] :P [16:20] i think it is more efficient than unity [16:21] well Unity is good, but Enlightenment is better ;) [16:21] I was running live cd mode in 130 megabyte ram :o [16:21] did you use gnome2 [16:21] including some small programs [16:21] of course i did :) [16:21] lol [16:22] unity hud requires already 100 megabyte xD [16:22] you tink unity is better than gnome2? [16:22] think [16:22] Nope, but it's evolving :) [16:22] and one day it may become better :) [16:22] have you looked at cinnamon [16:23] im tempted to try it [16:23] yes, Kilos [16:23] but it's not what I was looking for [16:23] and? [16:23] oh you breaking away from the gnome2 look [16:24] Kilos: I'm only accepting changes that make my life easier or better [16:24] :) [16:24] So no cinnamon, gnome3 or unity for me anymore [16:25] can you add panels? [16:25] yes, 4 :o [16:26] hmmm [16:26] Kilos: not enough for you? ;) [16:26] how big is the download for Enlightenment [16:26] yes i like top and bottom [16:27] with 9 desktops [16:27] Kilos: enlightenment I don't know, but bodhi is about 500 megabyte :) [16:27] eish [16:27] I'll look for you [16:27] they have smaller versions too [16:27] no ill stay on unity then [16:28] 525.9 MB <- bodhi (complete linux distribution) :p [16:29] too much [16:30] not for me :) [16:31] ubuntu is about 700 megabyte :p [16:32] yes but i didnt have to download it [16:32] i got a genuine cd [16:32] hi psydroid [16:33] Kilos: okay :p [16:34] hi Kilos and smile [17:32] hmm busy channel this [17:33] Maaz, coffee on [17:33] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [17:37] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [17:37] Maaz, ty [17:37] You are welcome Kilos [17:52] evening all === Android83 is now known as mage-who-cannot- === mage-who-cannot- is now known as magedroid [17:55] bye everyone :) [17:55] see ya in two days :) [17:55] ok be good [17:55] cheers smile [17:55] hi and [17:55] lol [17:56] Kilos: thanks :) [17:56] yo magedroid [17:56] enjoy smile [17:56] :D [17:56] hey Kilos [17:57] nothing happening here tonight [17:57] brb [17:58] Hey Kilos [17:58] Quite night [17:58] hey magedroid [17:59] quiet ya [17:59] them fones start with an auto caps letter? [17:59] Something like thatnyes [17:59] lol [18:00] And cannot ty0e either [18:00] haha [18:02] superfly, if i install nvidia-current and on reboot the screen goes to 640x480 resolution again will aptitude remove nvidia-current let my screen be ok again? [18:02] dont feel like another clean install [18:34] Kilos: not necessarily, but if you remove nvidia-* then that should get rid of it [18:35] magedroid: I agree, it is difficult to type with an on-screen keyboard [18:35] ty superfly i dunno why it did that last time. i didnt see anywhere in the conf that it was to be set to that stupid size [19:16] superfly also not too sure what is stopping me from getting through to my quassel at the shop [19:18] Will have to check firewalls and port forwarding tomrrow [19:18] Also the ddclient make sure that is updating correctly [19:55] Good night all. === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za