[05:09] <Squirm> lo
[05:20] <Kilos> cremora minora
[05:38] <magespawn> morning all
[05:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[05:38] <Kilos> you early
[05:38] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[05:39] <Kilos> only us here
[05:41] <magespawn> the early bird gets the worm
[05:41] <magespawn> so #ubuntu-za is now wormless
[05:42] <Kilos> lol
[05:43]  * Kilos chomps my share of them worms
[05:45] <magespawn> brb
[05:48] <magespawn> back still not sure what is wrong with quasselcore and now need to do other work first
[05:55] <Kilos> k
[05:58] <Squirm> morning
[06:01] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:10] <Kilos> morning SmilyBorg_w 
[06:10] <SmilyBorg_w> Morning
[06:16] <magespawn> hi Squirm SmilyBorg 
[06:16] <SmilyBorg> Hi magespawn
[06:19] <magespawn> brb
[06:21] <magespawn> right now things are as they should be
[06:21] <Kilos> hmmm yoyo
[06:22] <magespawn> quassel is going again
[06:26] <Kilos> what was wrong magespawn ?
[06:26] <magespawn> looks like the core had stopped
[06:26] <Kilos> or what caused it to not work last night
[06:27] <magespawn> not quite sure ping replys were very slow
[06:27] <Kilos> these things are sent to test us
[06:27] <magespawn> so maybe it was working but just taking to long to connect
[06:28] <magespawn> I am also steaming the radio over the same line
[06:28] <magespawn> streaming
[06:28] <Kilos> you connect to it from your fone? from home?
[06:28] <magespawn> yes
[06:28] <magespawn> and over the local network when I am in the shop
[06:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:29] <Kilos> i shoulda been 30 years younger
[06:30] <Kilos> member i told you that cpu was warming up but no beeps or anything
[06:30] <Kilos> found the prob
[06:30] <jrgns> monring all
[06:31] <Kilos> whoever sold the mb to ian had tried to remove the cpu with a screwdriver and damaged the connections on the mb
[06:31] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[06:31] <Kilos> monring to you too
[06:34] <magespawn> that sucks, can you fix it?
[06:35] <Kilos> nope the fool ripped the gold connectors outa their holes
[06:36] <Kilos> had to use 2 pairs of glasses and a magnifying glass to see it though
[06:36] <Kilos> peeps are so crooked
[06:38] <Kilos> and stupid, cpu lifts easy with fingers if you unlock it first
[06:38] <magespawn> yup
[06:39] <magespawn> i had a board in the shop where the person had put the ram in back to front
[06:39] <Kilos> what about the slot?
[06:39] <magespawn> exactly, they just forced it in
[06:39] <Kilos> can only go one way
[06:39] <Kilos> eish
[06:39] <magespawn> apparently not
[06:40] <magespawn> can go anyway you make it
[06:40] <Kilos> lol 
[06:40] <Kilos> old saying
[06:40] <Kilos> met force can jy jou finger in jou poepol afbreek
[06:41] <magespawn> lol
[06:47] <inetpro> who stole all the worms?
[06:47] <inetpro> good mornings to everyone
[06:47] <jrgns> morning
[06:48] <Kilos> yo inetpro hows you
[06:48] <Kilos> i see you still scroll back
[06:49]  * inetpro will be awake in a few hours 
[06:50] <Kilos> k
[06:50] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[06:50] <magespawn> we can keep worms but only on special request
[06:51] <Kilos> lol
[06:52] <magespawn> bbl going to do some ressearch
[06:53] <Kilos> k
[07:08] <Kilos> DigiGram_, welcome to our twitter announcements
[07:11] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[07:11] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[07:12] <Trixar_za> I had a look at how many IT related businesses are in or near Brackenfell
[07:12] <Trixar_za> It's quite a few
[07:16] <Kilos> now to find the right one and get employment there
[07:18] <Trixar_za> What other WYSIWYG tools are there in Linux besides Bluefish?
[07:18] <Trixar_za> I used to know a few, but I've forgotten most of them
[07:18] <Trixar_za> :P
[07:18] <tonberryE352> tools that do what?
[07:19] <Kilos> lol old man
[07:19] <Trixar_za> Website design
[07:19] <tonberryE352> don't know, never tried..
[07:19] <Kerbero> kompozer
[07:19] <Kerbero> but i would not use it if i were you
[07:19] <Kerbero> just code the site by hand
[07:19] <tonberryE352> the sites i maintain are butt ugly and hand written
[07:20] <Kilos> Maaz, google linux WYSIWYG tools
[07:20] <Maaz> Kilos: "Linux/UNIX WYSIWYG Editors - Web Design / HTML - About.com" http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmleditors/tp/aatpwyslinux.htm :: "20 Best HTML Editors for Linux and UNIX - Web Design / HTML ..." http://webdesign.about.com/od/linuxunixhtmleditors/tp/best_linux_html_editors.htm :: "25 Useful WYSIWYG Editors Reviewed | Smashing Magazine" http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/05/06/25-wysiwyg-editors-reviewed/ :: "BlueGriffon 1.0 Released: O
[07:20] <Kerbero> your best bet is still dreamweaver in windows
[07:20] <Kilos> hi tonberryE352 
[07:21] <tonberryE352> hallo
[07:21] <Kilos> and Kerbero 
[07:21] <Kerbero> dag
[07:21] <Kilos> second link Trixar_za  20 of them
[07:23] <tonberryE352> does it count as wysiwyg if you have a browser window open on auto refresh?
[07:40] <Kilos> grr power cut
[07:44] <Trixar_za> wb Kilos
[07:49] <Kilos> ty Trixar_za 
 does it count as wysiwyg if you have a browser window open on auto refresh? --> for me it works like that...
[07:58] <tonberryE352> pretty much what i do as well
[07:58] <tonberryE352> sans the auto refresh
[07:58] <superfly> ohi
[08:03] <superfly> if you can't get your design right, then no matter what tool you use, you'll end up with an ugly/unusable site
[08:04] <superfly> stay away from WYSIWYG, it only hides the problem and makes it worse
[08:06] <tonberryE352> that and dont use php...
[08:11] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[08:11] <superfly> tonberryE352: that too :-)
[08:11] <superfly> hi Kilos
[08:12] <tonberryE352> its harder to code good php than good c...
[08:12] <tonberryE352> at least c has valgrind to tell you where you screwed up
[08:20] <jrgns> can i introduce you to phpmd and other tools?
[08:32] <smile> hi :)
[08:35] <Kilos> hi smile 
[08:36] <smile> hi Kilos :p
[08:40] <DigiGram_> then what do you prefer instead of php?
[08:40] <tonberryE352> dont know yet
[08:41] <tonberryE352> maybe python
[08:41] <tonberryE352> just not php again
[08:41] <DigiGram_> haven't tried python on the web before, but I like python, will look at that next time
[08:45] <tonberryE352> http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
[09:16] <Trixar_za> Well, generally I just use a text editor, lighttpd or nginx web server with php and firefox to test stuff
[09:16] <DigiGram_> same here
[09:16] <Trixar_za> But ol' windows users need a more graphical approach
[09:16] <DigiGram_> even on windows thats the way I do it
[09:17] <Trixar_za> Oh and lots and lots of googling
[09:17] <Trixar_za> :P
[09:17] <Trixar_za> Mostly because php is a pain
[09:21] <DigiGram_> I find the doc's to be rather well constructed
[09:22] <DigiGram_> but I must admit, its not close to as easy as Python
[09:23] <superfly> Python FTW
[09:26] <DigiGram_> I got introduced to Python during Sebastian Thruns AI class, from there on during udacity courses I decided to switch to Python, and now I'm using PyQt with it
[09:26] <Trixar_za> I never really learned GUI programming as a whole
[09:26] <Trixar_za> :p
[09:40] <Kilos> how do you know if your cpu is a 32bit 0or 64bit cpu?
[09:41] <Kerbero> well i guess it should say when you do
[09:41] <Kerbero> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[09:41] <Kilos> ty
[09:41] <Kerbero> but i can't find it on mine now
[09:43] <Kilos> worked kiff here ty
[09:43] <Kerbero> ahh
[09:43] <Kilos> tons of info
[09:43] <Kerbero> if it has "lm" it is 64
[09:43] <Kerbero> "pm" for 32
[09:43] <Kerbero> under the flags section
[09:44] <Kerbero> awk '$1 ~ /flags/ && $0 ~ / lm / {print "64-bit CPU"}' /proc/cpuinfo
[09:44] <Kilos> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat 
[09:44] <Kerbero> that command works quite nicely too
[09:44] <Kilos> lemme try
[09:44] <Kilos> no output
[09:45] <Kilos> must be a 32
[09:45] <Kerbero> ok then you have a 32bit
[09:45] <Kilos> ty Kerbero 
[09:45] <Kilos> so my server cd wont work, it be 64b
[09:46] <Kerbero> if you run
[09:46] <Kerbero> lshw -class processor
[09:46] <DigiGram_> I need to learn awk
[09:46] <Kerbero> then there it should say "width: XXXX"
[09:47] <DigiGram_> dang this "old" pc I got to make a small backup/print server from is better than my workstation at hom...
[09:49] <Kilos> yeah width 32 bits
[10:09] <Trixar_za> bbl
[11:09] <zeref> hurrrmmm
[11:11] <zeref> tumbleweed: when i build my program, i get: non-standard-dir-in-usr usr/ui/, i had a look see at http://lintian.debian.org/tags but it does not say what to do about it.
[11:14] <superfly> zeref: what language/type of app?
[11:15] <zeref> python + Gtk
[11:15] <superfly> Python stuff should be built using setup.py and then your package should take care of installing it
[11:19] <superfly> zeref: this is the debian package for one of my open source projects that is written in PyQt4: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openlp-core/openlp/debian-package/files
[11:22] <zeref> superfly: I have a setup.py file in there, i'm following this guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python
[11:23] <superfly> zeref: are you following CDDB or debhelper?
[11:24] <zeref> debhelper
[11:24] <superfly> good
[11:27] <zeref> i'm also using http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html for the debian folder
[11:42] <inetpro> tonberryE352 and others: when you say you use auto refresh do you mean having the code built in to the page as you develop or do you use a browser addon? And what browser addon do you use for auto refresh?
[11:42] <inetpro> interesting idea
[11:42] <tonberryE352> auto in my case means my finger
[11:42] <inetpro> lol
[11:42] <inetpro> I guess it's as easy as that
[11:43] <DigiGram> F5 hehe
[11:43] <DigiGram> or you can add a bit of code in your php to refresh the page each second
[11:44] <inetpro> I see that there is a firefox addon as well https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/reloadevery/
[11:44] <inetpro> and probably for chrome and others as well
[11:44] <inetpro> but I haven't tried it
[12:15] <tumbleweed> zeref: usr/ui is not a standard directory, no
[12:15] <tumbleweed> zeref: I suggest putting everything in /usr/share/$package
[12:19] <zeref> do i set that in the setup.py file?
[12:20] <tumbleweed> generally, the easiest approach is to call setup.py with --install-lib /usr/share/$package --install-data /usr/share/$package (or something like that)
[12:22] <zeref> lost me there, lol. Is there a guide somewhere?
[12:22] <tumbleweed> I mean, don't do anything special *in* the setup.py
[12:22] <tumbleweed> just tell it to install the data somewhere sensible when you call it in debian/rules
[12:23] <tumbleweed> because the somewhere sensible for a package is different to the somewhere sensible for someone installing from source
[12:24] <zeref> oh, i see
[12:25] <zeref> thanks
[13:58] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[13:58]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[13:59] <Kilos> inetpro, koffietyd dan kan jy begin werk
[13:59] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[13:59] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[13:59] <inetpro> Kilos: dankie
[13:59] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[13:59] <Maaz> inetpro: Alrighty
[14:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[14:03] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[14:03] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[14:13] <inetpro> Maaz: tks
[14:13] <Maaz> For you I killa de bull
[14:13] <Kilos> hehe
[14:31] <zeref> yay, fixed :D
[14:44] <inetpro> hmm...
[14:45] <inetpro> Unity 2D Removed from Ubuntu 12.10 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/unity-2d-removed-from-ubuntu-12-10
[14:45] <inetpro> interestint that ^^
[14:45] <inetpro> interesting as well
[14:57] <Kilos> hmm
[15:26] <Kilos> ha ha ha maar ek is dom
[15:29] <Kilos> ek kan mos sudo aptitude hold firefox doen
[15:29] <Kilos> my weer 30m gekos vandag
[15:29] <Kilos> grrr
[16:08] <smile> Hi :)
[16:08] <Kilos> hi smile 
[16:08] <smile> I switched over to Enlightenment :)
[16:08] <Kilos> whats that?
[16:09] <smile> an window manager, commonly used as desktop environment
[16:10] <smile> Kilos: very lightweight :)
[16:10] <Kilos> what were you using
[16:10] <smile> Unity
[16:11] <smile> It can't be more different, Kilos 
[16:11] <Kilos> does it look like gnome2
[16:12] <smile> Yeah, but more modern :)
[16:12] <Kilos> top and bottom panels?
[16:12] <smile> only bottom :)
[16:20] <Kilos> eish
[16:20] <Kilos> i got spoiled with gnome2
[16:20] <smile> :P
[16:20] <Kilos> i think it is more efficient than unity
[16:21] <smile> well Unity is good, but Enlightenment is better ;)
[16:21] <smile> I was running live cd mode in 130 megabyte ram :o
[16:21] <Kilos> did you use gnome2
[16:21] <smile> including some small programs
[16:21] <smile> of course i did :)
[16:21] <Kilos> lol
[16:22] <smile> unity hud requires already 100 megabyte xD
[16:22] <Kilos> you tink unity is better than gnome2?
[16:22] <Kilos> think
[16:22] <smile> Nope, but it's evolving :)
[16:22] <smile> and one day it may become better :)
[16:22] <Kilos> have you looked at cinnamon
[16:23] <Kilos> im tempted to try it
[16:23] <smile> yes, Kilos 
[16:23] <smile> but it's not what I was looking for
[16:23] <Kilos> and?
[16:23] <Kilos> oh you breaking away from the gnome2 look
[16:24] <smile> Kilos: I'm only accepting changes that make my life easier or better
[16:24] <smile> :)
[16:24] <smile> So no cinnamon, gnome3 or unity for me anymore
[16:25] <Kilos> can you add panels?
[16:25] <smile> yes, 4 :o
[16:26] <Kilos> hmmm
[16:26] <smile> Kilos: not enough for you? ;)
[16:26] <Kilos> how big is the download for Enlightenment
[16:26] <Kilos> yes i like top and bottom
[16:27] <Kilos> with 9 desktops
[16:27] <smile> Kilos: enlightenment I don't know, but bodhi is about 500 megabyte :)
[16:27] <Kilos> eish
[16:27] <smile> I'll look for you
[16:27] <smile> they have smaller versions too
[16:27] <Kilos> no ill stay on unity then
[16:28] <smile> 525.9 MB <- bodhi (complete linux distribution) :p
[16:29] <Kilos> too much
[16:30] <smile> not for me :)
[16:31] <smile> ubuntu is about 700 megabyte :p
[16:32] <Kilos> yes but i didnt have to download it
[16:32] <Kilos> i got a genuine cd
[16:32] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[16:33] <smile> Kilos: okay :p
[16:34] <psydroid> hi Kilos and smile
[17:32] <Kilos> hmm busy channel this
[17:33] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:33]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:37] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:37] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:37] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:52] <Android83> evening all
[17:55] <smile> bye everyone :)
[17:55] <smile> see ya in two days :)
[17:55] <Kilos> ok be good
[17:55] <magedroid> cheers smile
[17:55] <Kilos> hi and
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:56] <smile> Kilos: thanks :)
[17:56] <Kilos> yo magedroid 
[17:56] <Kilos> enjoy smile 
[17:56] <smile> :D
[17:56] <magedroid> hey Kilos
[17:57] <Kilos> nothing happening here tonight
[17:57] <magedroid> brb
[17:58] <magedroid> Hey Kilos
[17:58] <magedroid> Quite night
[17:58] <Kilos> hey magedroid 
[17:59] <Kilos> quiet ya
[17:59] <Kilos> them fones start with an auto caps letter?
[17:59] <magedroid> Something like thatnyes
[17:59] <Kilos> lol
[18:00] <magedroid> And cannot ty0e either
[18:00] <Kilos> haha
[18:02] <Kilos> superfly, if i install nvidia-current and on reboot the screen goes to 640x480 resolution again will aptitude remove nvidia-current let my screen be ok again?
[18:02] <Kilos> dont feel like another clean install
[18:34] <superfly> Kilos: not necessarily, but if you remove nvidia-* then that should get rid of it
[18:35] <superfly> magedroid: I agree, it is difficult to type with an on-screen keyboard
[18:35] <Kilos> ty superfly i dunno why it did that last time. i didnt see anywhere in the conf that it was to be set  to that stupid size
[19:16] <magedroid> superfly also not too sure what is stopping me from getting through to my quassel at the shop
[19:18] <magedroid> Will have to check firewalls and port forwarding tomrrow
[19:18] <magedroid> Also the ddclient make sure that is updating correctly
[19:55] <magedroid> Good night all.