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| * smartboyhw waves at falktx | 11:31 | |
| falktx | \o/ | 11:32 |
| * smartboyhw waves at scott-work | 12:59 | |
| scott-work | good morning smartboyhw | 12:59 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work: If you are here: Who are the ops of #ubuntustudio and #ubuntustudio-devel? | 13:52 |
| smartboyhw | Uh oh, FinalFreeze today | 14:04 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: i believe i have ops rights for both channels, astraljava as well, maybe holstein as well | 14:32 |
| ailo | len-dt: lowlatency on Quantal has tickless timer by default | 15:04 |
| ailo | Also, -generic | 15:04 |
| smartboyhw | Hey ailo | 15:04 |
| smartboyhw | Hey len-dt | 15:04 |
| len-dt | ailo, ok, I am just doing some midi testing now. | 15:04 |
| ailo | smartboyhw: How's your documentation work going? | 15:04 |
| len-dt | hello smartboyhw | 15:04 |
| smartboyhw | ailo: I need to rewrite it after scott-work's instructions the day before yesterday | 15:05 |
| ailo | len-dt: what sort of testing? | 15:05 |
| len-dt | I think my through stuff is remaking the packets... looking for better hardware. | 15:05 |
| ailo | smartboyhw: Have you shown to anyone yet? | 15:05 |
| len-dt | I have a track on qtractor with 20 notes at the same time. | 15:06 |
| smartboyhw | nope | 15:06 |
| smartboyhw | As I said I need to rewrite it | 15:06 |
| len-dt | then I am going out and in and rerecording. | 15:06 |
| ailo | len-dt: rerecording audio, or midi? | 15:07 |
| len-dt | It looks like the instrument I was using for through is not direct through but reques the notes to go out again. | 15:07 |
| len-dt | midi. | 15:07 |
| len-dt | There is an 1/8 note difference from note one to note 20 | 15:08 |
| ailo | smartboyhw: Well, if you really think so. Otherwise, just show it, so we can give feedback. | 15:09 |
| smartboyhw | ailo: I have deleted the whole thing and rewrited it! | 15:10 |
| smartboyhw | rewriting, I should say, not rewrited | 15:11 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt: How's your MIDI?:) | 15:17 |
| scott-work | hmmm, i'm not sure what i said that would cause you to delete and completely rewrite your documentation, smartboyhw :/ | 15:19 |
| smartboyhw | It did:):( | 15:20 |
| smartboyhw | The original one was to just promote software | 15:21 |
| smartboyhw | The new one was to create a scenario and be a fluid introduction to actually do it | 15:21 |
| ailo | scott-work: I think what you were talking about with him was a good starting point for documentation, namely writing up a workflow example of what he deos | 16:06 |
| ailo | I think that might be the best place to start | 16:06 |
| ailo | I'm also a bit concerned with the work load of writing workflows, at least if we want to have a complete set. | 16:08 |
| ailo | Which is why I'm focusing on basic user guides to begin with | 16:09 |
| ailo | That is really what I eas requesting from smartboyhw | 16:09 |
| ailo | I don't have a clear picture of how a basic user guide would look like for publishing though | 16:10 |
| ailo | Other than showing which applications to start | 16:11 |
| ailo | for audio, there's the obligatory introduction to linux audio | 16:11 |
| ailo | For graphics, video, publishing and photography, I think at least for three of those there's things like monitor calibration | 16:11 |
| ailo | len-dt: Been using the -rt kernel on Debian now for a couple of days | 16:15 |
| ailo | Can't say I'm too impressed | 16:15 |
| ailo | Building kernels now, btw | 16:15 |
| Len-nb | ailo, I am not seeing any timing problems with or without tweaks using a USB midi port and qtractor out to record at qtractor in. | 16:15 |
| Len-nb | All I am seeing is the delay the midi IF is adding because of the serial speed | 16:16 |
| Len-nb | qtractor uses alsa midi, so I did everything there. | 16:16 |
| ailo | ok | 16:16 |
| Len-nb | Nothing on using jackmidi | 16:17 |
| ailo | I was going to include alsa midi testing in the testing suite, but I will just focus on audio for now | 16:17 |
| Len-nb | I think I will have to do the same test with a higher system load. | 16:18 |
| Len-nb | And more irq activity | 16:19 |
| holstein | stochastic: mikeh789 is me BTW... i expired from the testers group if you get a ping about that | 16:24 |
| Len-nb | ailo, I have 4 softsynths, hydrogen, qtractor all going. cpu freq scaling just once in a while bumps up one step. jack shows dsp as 33-40%.. oh and firefox is running too... about 15 tabs. | 17:45 |
| Len-nb | memory is heading for swap :P | 17:46 |
| Len-nb | About to reboot to stock no tweaks I'll see if it is enough. I may have to set cpu to lowest speed to see anything. | 17:47 |
| ailo | len-dt: Doesn't seem like all cpu freq uitilities set governor for all cores, only the first | 17:55 |
| ailo | My tweak will set it manually to all cores | 17:56 |
| Len-nb | The one that comes with ubuntu does. It looks though all cores and sets each. | 17:57 |
| Len-nb | What I am saying though, is that it might be nice to set some thing other than full speed. | 17:58 |
| Len-nb | In this case I seem to run out of memory before cpu anyway, so why not run one speed up from half? | 17:58 |
| ailo | Makes sense, as long as the governor is set to performance | 17:59 |
| ailo | I mean, set to a fixed frequency | 18:00 |
| ailo | but that's only for the sake of saving power | 18:00 |
| ailo | the RAM problem has more to due with the desktop configuration, and which applications you are using | 18:01 |
| Len-nb | Or how little ram I have | 18:01 |
| ailo | I'm thinking of what to include in -controls as far as cpu freq tweaking goes | 18:01 |
| ailo | Can't include more RAM anyway | 18:02 |
| Len-nb | BTW, ailo, I can't see any trouble with max-user-freq=3072. Cpu usage does not go up, or fan turn on or desktop slow down... | 18:03 |
| ailo | len-dt: Did it improve anything, though? | 18:04 |
| ailo | len-dt: I'm only now looking at userspace control for the cpu freq | 18:04 |
| ailo | Ah, never mind | 18:04 |
| Len-nb | Still testing that... so far I haven't got it to break :P even with no tweaks. | 18:05 |
| ailo | seems like my builds are working. i686 kernel builds should be ready by tomorrow | 18:06 |
| ailo | I'll share using ubuntuone or some other service like that | 18:06 |
| ailo | len-dt: So, it might be interesting to be able to change not only between cpu governors, but also choose a fixed freq? | 18:09 |
| Len-nb | I would say just choose freq. The top freq is the same a performance anyway. | 18:10 |
| Len-nb | *as | 18:10 |
| ailo | len-dt: Except, ondemand will change frequence no matter which to freq you use | 18:10 |
| ailo | As I've concluded, it is the actual change between frequencies that may introduce xruns | 18:11 |
| ailo | Not the freq itself | 18:11 |
| Len-nb | to use a spec freq, you have to change the gov to user | 18:11 |
| Len-nb | Then set freq | 18:12 |
| ailo | Sure? Not just change the top freq in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq to one of the available frequencies? | 18:12 |
| ailo | Misprint | 18:15 |
| ailo | I meant scaling_max_freq | 18:15 |
| ailo | And, no. Doesn't seem like it | 18:15 |
| Len-nb | download/install cpufreq | 18:16 |
| Len-nb | use cpufreq-set | 18:16 |
| ailo | I'd rather not have -controls depend on additional tools | 18:16 |
| ailo | Since it can be done manually | 18:16 |
| Len-nb | Yes, but it is faster for testing and explains what things have to set first before others | 18:17 |
| Len-nb | Or with others | 18:17 |
| Len-nb | Even look at the man page online | 18:17 |
| ailo | I'm reading the linux man right now | 18:21 |
| ailo | Doesn't seem to be working on this system | 18:29 |
| ailo | No errors, but the freq value doesn't stick | 18:29 |
| ailo | using userspace, editing /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed | 18:30 |
| Len-nb | I think the speed can't just be any speed, when I do a cpufreq-info it lists the available speeds: available frequency steps: 1.60 GHz, 1.33 GHz, 1.07 GHz, 800 MHz | 18:40 |
| Len-nb | When I set gov to userspace, the speed locks at full (1.6g) | 18:41 |
| Len-nb | I can then set the speed to 1.33g and it stays. | 18:45 |
| Len-nb | ailo, there must be something that tells you which speeds your system supports. | 18:46 |
| ailo | Len-nb: How do you check that the cpu freq stayed? | 18:47 |
| ailo | I was using freq-set now, which was not able to do that | 18:47 |
| Len-nb | I have a cpu speed app running | 18:47 |
| Len-nb | also cpufreq-info tells | 18:48 |
| ailo | cpufreq-set* | 18:48 |
| ailo | I don't find anyneed for cpufreq-set in this case. It doesn't do anything other than what I do manually, both reading and writing. Don't know if it has to do with this system, or kernel | 18:49 |
| scott-work | astraljava: are you doing the -release email? | 18:50 |
| scott-work | ailo: Len-nb: is there anything that should be mentioned for the -release meeting? | 18:51 |
| Len-nb | for .1? Not really unless it is we did no changes. | 18:52 |
| ailo | Len-nb: Seems like Ubuntu does things differently. I was using debian, and apparently, the directories aren't the same | 18:52 |
| Len-nb | :) | 18:53 |
| ailo | It's a little annoying. seems like the debian way is the standard way | 18:53 |
| Len-nb | It seems i can set my speeds to .8G, 1.33G and 1.6G. Even though 1.07 is mentioned, setting manually to that gets 1.3G | 18:56 |
| ailo | Ah, maybe it's because this is a virtual install | 18:56 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Yeah, I'll wrap it up in a few hours. | 18:56 |
| Len-nb | ailo, it seems 1.07 is actually just a bit less than that. If I set 1.06g I get 1.07g | 18:58 |
| Len-nb | Setting cpu to half speed seems to take dsp load from 50% to about 60% as compared to ondemand | 19:10 |
| Len-nb | 100% cpu load is 100% if the freq is fixed. | 19:14 |
| Len-nb | In any case, qtractor does not show any improvement that I can see with setting group or freq on the rtc/hpt. | 19:15 |
| ailo | Len-nb: I guess we should think about disabling /etc/init.d/ondemand | 20:17 |
| len-dt | It has some problems | 20:18 |
| len-dt | The worst one is that it takes effect 60 seconds after login. | 20:18 |
| len-dt | So anything done in rc.local is ineffective | 20:18 |
| ailo | Since we don't want it to control the governor, I vote for just removing it | 20:20 |
| len-dt | How do we do that "correctly"? | 20:21 |
| ailo | Don't know | 20:21 |
| len-dt | Probably running the deal that changes the link to a K99 | 20:22 |
| len-dt | I don't think it is just one package that can be blacklisted | 20:24 |
| ailo | I guess we can use -controls to disable it, as soon as someone wants something else than ondemand | 20:25 |
| len-dt | That would be best. The one for jackdsp sensing seems to just turn preformance on at jack startup | 20:25 |
| ailo | This should do it: update-rc.d ondemand disable | 20:26 |
| ailo | len-dt: Which one is that? | 20:27 |
| ailo | I mean, the jackdsp sensing thing | 20:27 |
| len-dt | Ya that was one I was thinking about.... After you do that though... ondemand will still be there | 20:28 |
| len-dt | let me check | 20:28 |
| len-dt | http://rg42.org/oss/jackfreqd/start | 20:29 |
| len-dt | ailo, read all the comments, they explain things a bit better. | 20:29 |
| len-dt | the one " I intent 'jackfreqd' to do the same as you do: switch to | 20:30 |
| len-dt | “high CPU performance” when starting serious audio work and go back to low-power only at the end of the session." | 20:30 |
| ailo | len-dt: I'll see about adding it as a tweak too then | 20:34 |
| len-dt | You have to set the gov to user. | 20:35 |
| ailo | I picture a toggle for enabling "fixed frequency when jack is running" | 20:37 |
| ailo | Something like that | 20:37 |
| ailo | It'll adjust other settings automatically | 20:37 |
| ailo | in -controls | 20:37 |
| len-dt | So that would replace or at least be instead of jackfreqd | 20:38 |
| ailo | No, I mean, when enabling jackfreqd, from -controls | 20:38 |
| ailo | It means we would need to include it somehow in ubuntustudio-controls | 20:38 |
| len-dt | That only does full speed not a set speed | 20:38 |
| ailo | Well, whatever. I'll see the manual once I have the chance | 20:39 |
| ailo | The point is, the other settings will adjust automatically | 20:39 |
| ailo | When toggling it | 20:39 |
| len-dt | OK | 20:39 |
| len-dt | There has been interest in using full speed for some graphics/video work as well | 20:40 |
| ailo | For them, that toggle would not be interesting | 20:41 |
| len-dt | No but some way of turning it on would be. | 20:41 |
| ailo | They'd use 'performance', or 'fixed frequency' | 20:41 |
| ailo | I'm adding all of it | 20:41 |
| len-dt | There are three files in /etc/init.d that deal with cpufreq setup: ondmand, loadcpufreq and cpufrequtils | 20:43 |
| ailo | len-dt: At least cpufrequtils depends on the package with the same name | 20:45 |
| len-dt | The question is do we want it to run. We may need it to run and then set what we want. | 20:46 |
| ailo | Both loadcpufreq and cpufrequtils | 20:47 |
| ailo | We don't need it to set cpu settings | 20:47 |
| len-dt | It loads the scalling module. | 20:47 |
| len-dt | *scaling | 20:47 |
| ailo | We should be able to do everything manually | 20:48 |
| ailo | Which I prefer | 20:48 |
| len-dt | I was goin to say we can replace it. | 20:48 |
| ailo | We might need to add a "override cpufrequtils" | 20:51 |
| ailo | ..toggle | 20:51 |
| ailo | And have -controls disable it | 20:51 |
| len-dt | ailo, Are you having more than one profile? So the user can save various profiles for different uses. | 21:24 |
| ailo | len-dt: Haven't got that far yet | 21:26 |
| ailo | len-dt: I'm a bit late with this. Just preparing tests for now. | 21:27 |
| ailo | I won't be using jackfreqd for the tests, but I'm keeping it for the implementation of -controls | 21:27 |
| Len-nb | ailo, I'm giving up with the MIDI tests for now. I need a controlled situation that shows problems. So far everything i have done shows no problems in timing beyond the limits of the MIDI stream itself. | 21:37 |
| ailo | Yea, I will probably not touch that either for the time being | 21:40 |
| Len-nb | I think we should make the timers audio group and give the user the ability to set the maxfreq. | 21:41 |
| Len-nb | Maybe it makes a dif with rosegarden | 21:41 |
| ailo | I'll add the tweak | 21:44 |
| ailo | Len-nb: One aspect of -controls is to have users do testing themselves, and give feedback. After all, we can't test on every possible machine and device | 21:44 |
| ailo | Is what I realized.. | 21:44 |
| Len-nb | Ya, In any case, I have at least tested for no bad effects. | 21:46 |
| Len-nb | Everything is running happy at half speed. | 21:47 |
| ttoine | hi | 22:04 |
| len-dt | ttoine, haven't seen you for a bit | 22:04 |
| ttoine | I was thinking I didn't had any news... and just realised that I may not be in the devel mailing list | 22:04 |
| len-dt | We were talking about monitor calib | 22:05 |
| len-dt | Colourwise | 22:05 |
| ttoine | len-dt: yes, shoulder surgery and holidays | 22:06 |
| len-dt | Oww | 22:06 |
| len-dt | sounds painful | 22:06 |
| ttoine | it was very modern surgery, so only two small points, but yes, it is painfull | 22:07 |
| ttoine | can someone tell me how to get again de mailing list ?? | 22:08 |
| len-dt | I remember years ago, I had a pin put in my knee... the sprained toe I had at the same time hurt more. | 22:09 |
| len-dt | There is a link on the web page... I'll find it. | 22:09 |
| len-dt | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel | 22:10 |
| ttoine | ok, just applied | 22:11 |
| ttoine | thanks, len | 22:11 |
| len-dt | N P | 22:11 |
| ttoine | It will be easier to follow and participate, I guess | 22:13 |
| len-dt | There are some blue print things Scott says you asked for... replacing argyl for example. | 22:13 |
| ttoine | ah yes, great. you know where I can find that on the wiki or something like that ? on it is only on the mailing list ? | 22:15 |
| len-dt | The blue print is at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-q-misc | 22:15 |
| len-dt | We have both argyll and gnome-colour-manager. The same thing as vanilla as far as I can tell. | 22:16 |
| ttoine | I think it is good to be like vanilla on this point | 22:18 |
| ttoine | because we don't have an expert on this point. and we don't need to invent the wheel again, as we say in french | 22:18 |
| len-dt | It doesn't show up in the menu, but is supposed to start when the colour detector is plugged into the USB(?) port. | 22:19 |
| ttoine | yes | 22:19 |
| ttoine | argyll is used by gnome colour management gui | 22:20 |
| len-dt | OK, hopefully early next week all the stuff we have committed will hit the ISO. so we can see it. | 22:21 |
| ttoine | ok | 22:21 |
| len-dt | We based our workflow on two websites for photography. I don't have the one handy but the other is http://www.rileybrandt.com/2012/07/31/linux-photo-1/ | 22:22 |
| len-dt | ttoine, I also wanted to ask about this: color - explore making a package for adobe icc | 22:23 |
| len-dt | Are these ICCs for monitors?, printers? | 22:23 |
| len-dt | Do you have a URL for it? | 22:25 |
| ttoine | it could be a good thing | 22:28 |
| ttoine | there will be mostly printer and standards icc | 22:28 |
| ttoine | I look for the link, wait a bit | 22:29 |
| len-dt | We already have a package of iccs included. | 22:29 |
| len-dt | I can wait... I leave something up on IRC almost all the time. | 22:29 |
| ttoine | http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/iccprofiles/iccprofiles_win.html | 22:33 |
| ttoine | there is only stuff for windows and mac | 22:33 |
| ttoine | but it is possible to unzip it | 22:33 |
| ttoine | it would be great to add some other stuff in the package, not only adobe icc | 22:34 |
| ttoine | http://www.color.org/index.xalter | 22:35 |
| ttoine | you will find all the icc profiles on this website | 22:35 |
| ttoine | and most of the screen and laptop vendors provide icc profiles for their hardware on their support website | 22:36 |
| ttoine | for my thinkpad, there is a icc profile available at lenovo | 22:36 |
| len-dt | from what I have read it needs to be set up and measured about once a month.... but I would guess those profiles are still closer tahn none. | 22:37 |
| ttoine | yes | 22:39 |
| len-dt | We ship a package called icc-profiles-free, but there is another package called icc-profiles too. | 22:40 |
| len-dt | Do you know if they are the same or what the difference is? | 22:40 |
| ttoine | I can look at it | 22:41 |
| ttoine | but currently, most of what is package (for example fogra icc profiles) are for america printing industrie | 22:41 |
| ttoine | for Europe, it miss the "Iso coated v2" icc profiles | 22:42 |
| ttoine | you need it in order to create cmyk pdf in Scribus for press | 22:42 |
| len-dt | The two packages are different. The one we don't ship is smaller and it recommends the one we do. | 22:42 |
| ttoine | ok | 22:43 |
| ttoine | for europe, all that should be available for the printing industry is on this page | 22:43 |
| ttoine | http://www.eci.org/en/downloads | 22:43 |
| ttoine | there are a lot of pdf and a fex zip packages | 22:44 |
| ttoine | look at the "ICC profiles from ECI" section | 22:45 |
| ttoine | -fex +few | 22:45 |
| len-dt | Ya it looks that way. | 22:45 |
| len-dt | Are they of a license we can package them? | 22:46 |
| ttoine | I am looking for ;-) | 22:48 |
| knome | i doubt.. but haven't checked really. | 22:48 |
| len-dt | There is a disclaimer about not being responsible ... but lic stuff | 22:48 |
| knome | default ICC profiles would be nice to have, but then again, there are printer-specific profiles too, so rather than trying to include every standard anybody could ever need, rather just make adding the profiles easy | 22:50 |
| len-dt | It sounds like maybe what we need first is documentation on colour management in general | 22:51 |
| len-dt | Both with and without a meter. | 22:51 |
| ttoine | yes | 22:51 |
| knome | first broad support then docs ;) | 22:51 |
| ttoine | think that a lot of thing can be done with a basinc screen | 22:51 |
| ttoine | basic | 22:51 |
| len-dt | At least these flat screens don't change as much as crts and will stay closer longer. | 22:52 |
| ttoine | what we miss the most imho is a way to generate cmyk pdf with cups | 22:53 |
| ttoine | cups pdf at the moment generate only rgb pdf | 22:53 |
| len-dt | ttoine, is it worthwhile having something like lprof? | 22:53 |
| len-dt | Is there such a thing as a converter? | 22:54 |
| knome | ttoine, yeah. not enough cmyk support is the thing keeping me on win+photoshop for print | 22:54 |
| len-dt | Or is the quality any good? | 22:54 |
| knome | i don't think professionals should rely on converters | 22:54 |
| ttoine | we don't need lprof if we keep gnome colour gui and argyll | 22:54 |
| len-dt | ok. | 22:55 |
| ttoine | at the moment the only "good" way is to import files in scribus and use it to generate a quadri pdf | 22:55 |
| ttoine | there a is an old tool too, not packaged, wich can turn quadri to rgb, or rgb to quadri, using icc profiles | 22:56 |
| ttoine | but it is not up to date | 22:56 |
| ttoine | len-dt, knome: http://www.blackfiveimaging.co.uk/index.php?article=02Software%2F05CMYKTool | 22:59 |
| ttoine | I tried cmyktool and it works well with jpeg and tiff | 23:00 |
| len-dt | I had thought I had heard there was a way to save CMYK in GIMP too, but I can't find it. | 23:00 |
| ttoine | len-dt: with the separate+ plugin but it is not available on Linux | 23:00 |
| knome | jpeg and tiff ain't pdf | 23:00 |
| knome | :) | 23:00 |
| ttoine | knome: maybe you should try cmyktool and tell us if it is good or bad ? | 23:01 |
| ttoine | knome: yes, there is still the problem of pdf | 23:01 |
| knome | i'll bookmark that, but i don't know when i'll have the time to check that out | 23:01 |
| ttoine | maybe with a custom ppd file, cups-pdf could generate quadri pdf | 23:01 |
| knome | i don't know how much cmyk jpg and tiff would help the professional without cmyk pdf though | 23:02 |
| ttoine | len-dt: do yo want me to try to contact the eci.org staff to get licence information ? | 23:02 |
| len-dt | Most of this is over my head. | 23:02 |
| len-dt | Sure, but the reality is that someone would have to package and maintain it. | 23:03 |
| knome | maybe add to the same package that has the US standards, and ask its maintainer to maintain those too | 23:04 |
| knome | if it looks like it's too much work or work nobody wants to take care of, just leave it | 23:04 |
| len-dt | And we are a small group. Some one has offered to package gimp-paint-studio for ubuntu repos, but I think at this point it may not make 12.10. | 23:04 |
| knome | just make adding profiles trivial | 23:04 |
| knome | or write a good tutorial | 23:05 |
| len-dt | That was why I said docs... | 23:05 |
| ttoine | knome: sometimes you just need one or two profiles. | 23:05 |
| knome | pro's probably need to add custom profiles anyway | 23:05 |
| ttoine | so providing links could be a good start | 23:05 |
| knome | yes, that's a start | 23:05 |
| ttoine | and the different places where to put the files | 23:06 |
| knome | yes | 23:06 |
| knome | that would be next to extremely helpful | 23:06 |
| ttoine | ~/.color/icc | 23:06 |
| ttoine | for gnome colour management | 23:07 |
| ttoine | but for scribus, etc... it has to be done with sudo | 23:07 |
| knome | other way to get moving is to make apps use standard places for profiles | 23:08 |
| ttoine | knome: the gnome colour management system is very young and some apps are still looking for xicc, or even older places | 23:09 |
| knome | .config/icc or sth like that would't sound bad | 23:10 |
| ttoine | .colour/icc | 23:10 |
| len-dt | how do I start gnome color manager? | 23:10 |
| ttoine | system preferences | 23:10 |
| knome | ttoine, that works for me too, as long as every app uses it ;) | 23:10 |
| ttoine | then click on the beautiful colour icon | 23:10 |
| ttoine | knome: ok ;-) | 23:10 |
| knome | the situation probably isn't better on windows actually | 23:11 |
| knome | doesn't mean we can't/couldn't do it better | 23:11 |
| ttoine | /usr/share/colour/icc | 23:12 |
| knome | mm | 23:12 |
| ttoine | knome: since windows 7, it seems to be well managed at kernell level | 23:12 |
| len-dt | ttoine, that doesn't get it for me | 23:12 |
| knome | ttoine, wouldn't know about that | 23:12 |
| ttoine | and of course it has always been there in Macos X | 23:13 |
| ttoine | for it the macos X DE is writen in visual postscript or something like that | 23:13 |
| ttoine | len-dt ? | 23:14 |
| len-dt | I can't find a way to start the color manager on US 12.04 | 23:14 |
| ttoine | http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Getting_and_installing_ICC_profiles | 23:16 |
| ttoine | len-dt: vanilla ubuntu ? xubuntu ? | 23:16 |
| len-dt | They all start with GCM | 23:16 |
| len-dt | ubuntustudio. | 23:16 |
| len-dt | Obviously I need to add them to the menu. | 23:17 |
| ttoine | len-dt: can you launch gnome-control-center ? | 23:18 |
| ttoine | I am mostly on vanilla ubuntu | 23:19 |
| len-dt | No, we have the xfce one. | 23:19 |
| len-dt | I can get things from CLI and the *.desktop files are there... Not sure why they don't show in our menus... something to check. | 23:20 |
| ttoine | ok | 23:20 |
| len-dt | So we have had the color manager, but no menu item... | 23:22 |
| ttoine | in vanilla, it is integrated to the gnome-control-center... I can't even get the command name with Unity... | 23:23 |
| ttoine | wow, neat 1:30 am... | 23:24 |
| ttoine | see you later | 23:25 |
| len-dt | One of them is just a MIME box... Bye | 23:25 |
| knome | :) | 23:25 |
| knome | night ttoine | 23:25 |
| len-dt | knome, the desktop files are all "nodisplay" | 23:28 |
| knome | len-dt, re: what? :) | 23:28 |
| len-dt | I guess they are meant to be run from right clicks and the settings manager | 23:28 |
| knome | probably | 23:28 |
| knome | we're adding a few more launchers to xfce settings manager this cycle | 23:28 |
| knome | maybe you could benefit from that too | 23:29 |
| knome | :) | 23:29 |
| len-dt | I will probably have to make a ubuntustudio desktop file. | 23:29 |
| len-dt | I saw the new launchers | 23:29 |
| knome | Unit193 is working on it from our side | 23:29 |
| len-dt | now in catagories | 23:29 |
| knome | so if you want to talk with him... | 23:29 |
| len-dt | It is not an xfce4 program though... | 23:30 |
| knome | that doesn't matter | 23:30 |
| knome | you can add a launcher to any command in xfce settings manager | 23:30 |
| len-dt | OK, on xubunt-devel | 23:30 |
| knome | yup, there | 23:30 |
| TheDrums | There are catagories, but limited to 4 preset ones, not quite sure how exactly those work as I haven't seen them yet. | 23:30 |
| knome | or here as TheDrums :P | 23:30 |
| TheDrums | Barely. | 23:31 |
| knome | meh with several nicks. | 23:31 |
| len-dt | Is the ability to add applications new to xfce4.10? | 23:33 |
| len-dt | Right clicking on an ICC file should open the importer. | 23:34 |
| knome | len-dt, i don't think so (4.10) | 23:40 |
| len-dt | Ok | 23:41 |
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