[00:15] <martinphone> is it normal that my connection has valleys and peaks? meaning 5 minutes gets a decent bandwidth, 5 minutes later is pure crap
[00:15] <martinphone> is it cyclical?
[00:16] <GridCube> probably, it depends on your ISP your network, etc etc
[02:59] <soliloquy1> Hi. I just installed Ubuntu on my macbook air using this guide (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation). I got through the install (went fine) synced boot tables with refit, and then, I load OS X - fine. I try to boot into Ubuntu however and get the error "missing operating system". What now?
[04:58] <my_pen> Is gigolo the a good  way to save windows shares  ?
[04:59] <my_pen> I guess I meant..the good way, or a ggod way.....with the hard a sound
[05:00] <my_pen> I guess I meant good...not ggod
[05:01] <my_pen> I set gigolo up once on xubuntu on hard disk now its to be done on a usb installation...same thing I suppose
[05:03] <my_pen> Also, apart from pulling the hard drive out of the computer how can I get the xubuntu grub to ignore o/ses on the machine, as it is on a usb and will be booting in other locations so I donbt want the ....you know...
[05:28] <Niceman> hello everyone
[05:29] <Niceman> I'm looking for support for installing ubuntu on an imac
[05:29] <Niceman> did I come to the right place?
[05:30] <Unit193> imacs will be harder, you'll have to use the !mini and then install xubuntu-desktop.
[05:31] <Niceman> !mini
[05:33] <Niceman> I almost tried this about 5 years ago, and it wasn't that hard
[05:33] <Niceman> I downloaded the CD and people on the boards in ubuntu.com said all I have to do is erase a partition and install it
[05:34] <Murtaugh> Is there a system seeting to make xubuntu less eager to use the swap?
[05:34] <Niceman> I didn't install but I used the CD for the demo and it looked ok
[05:34] <Murtaugh> on a 1gb machine, even though 1/3 of the ram is used, it's almost like there's a leak into swap, it's slowly creeping up
[05:34] <Murtaugh> *only 1/3
[05:35] <Ofloo> morning, hey i just noticed some generic kernels that i hadn't noticed before
[05:36] <Niceman> hmmm, no I didn't install a system seeting
[05:36] <Ofloo> now what am i supposed image with this ? linux-image-extra-3.2.0-29-virtual - Linux kernel image for version 3.2.0 on 64 bit x86 Virtual Guests
[05:38] <Niceman> so you're saying Ubuntu is not safe memorywise, Murtaugh?
[05:39] <Murtaugh> Niceman: No, this isntall just seems a tad trigger happy moving stuff into swap, and reluctant to take it back out
[05:39] <Murtaugh> my swap usage is creeping up from a ratchet like effect, never had this issue before
[05:40] <Niceman> if it's just in the installation process why should I care?
[05:40] <Murtaugh> *install
[08:01] <tnm> Hellow! Where do i set mouse scrool, because it is not working
[08:05] <baizon> tnm: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/mouse
[08:07] <tnm> baizon, it still doesn't work
[08:07] <baizon> tnm: not working at all?
[08:07] <tnm> jep
[08:07] <Sysi> tnm: touchpad or regular mouse?
[08:08] <tnm> baizon, i'm using virutal  xubuntu
[08:08] <tnm> virtual (Oracle Vm Virtualbox) Xubuntu
[08:08] <baizon> tnm: have you installed the guest additions?
[08:08] <tnm> yes
[08:09] <tnm> i'll reinstall them
[08:14] <Marzata> Linux Mint Xfce got 5 years support :)
[08:17] <tnm> it's working now...
[08:20] <baizon> nice
[08:27] <Marzata> we got new Lenovo L530 with Xubu 12.04 (32) but freezes. any idea what to do? to install (64 bit) Xubu or?
[08:27] <baizon> check memory
[08:28] <baizon> and hdd
[08:28] <Marzata> baizon: to do hw chekcs?
[08:28] <baizon> yes
[08:28] <Marzata> baizon: it is a brand new thinkpad
[08:29] <TheSheep> Marzata: is that i5?
[08:29] <Marzata> baizon: if hw checks are fine? next?
[08:29] <baizon> graphics could be the problem
[08:29] <baizon> sec
[08:29] <Marzata> TheSheep: yes, i5 3rd gen
[08:30] <Marzata> TheSheep: we have many i5 2nd gen, no problems with them
[08:30] <TheSheep> Marzata: it might not be it, but I've heard that some i5 have a buggy cryptographic instruction that makes them freeze, the "solution" according to Intel is to not use that instruction
[08:31] <shpank> what does the kernel log say before freezing?
[08:32] <Marzata> TheSheep: well, mostly used for firefox and skype, ...
[08:32] <shpank> and most importantly: can you switch ttys?
[08:32] <shpank> maybe it's just a graphics driver fuckup
[08:32] <Marzata> shpank: will see it later, coz the it is outside now ...
[08:34] <baizon> i think this could be the problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12035647&postcount=16
[08:34] <baizon> i mean its releated
[08:34] <baizon> try the >3.4 kernel
[08:44] <aquix> hmm, are the freezes regular or random? could be acpi  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/776999
[08:45] <Marzata> yesterday the person who worked with it said the freezes 4-5 times and it has difficult time booting back
[08:46] <Marzata> it needed 2-3 attempts to boot it back
[08:47] <aquix> hmm. a time when it happens, and a copy of dmesg and syslog  would be the way to go. It could be a lot of things..
[08:47] <Marzata> we haven't used it with Windows for comparison, coz we removed that OS right after unboxing
[08:48] <Marzata> aquix: yes, thanks for the idea
[08:48] <aquix> yup, thats my MO too :)
[08:48] <Marzata> baizon: thank you, will look at that too
[08:49] <aquix> your welcome :)
[10:29] <wavm> does xubuntu need anti virus?
[10:31] <bazhang> !virus | wavm
[10:55] <livingdaylight> !firewall
[13:33] <gry> Can a 12.04 folk do "sudo cat /etc/sudoers" and pastebin, please?
[13:36] <TheSheep> gry: you can just get it from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/sudo/sudo_1.8.3p1-1ubuntu3.2.debian.tar.gz
[13:37] <gry> TheSheep: 'debian/sudoers' would be a default /etc/sudoers file in there, wouldn't it?
[13:38] <TheSheep> gry: yes
[13:39] <gry> thanks :)
[14:08] <kbarter> hello
[14:09] <kbarter> can somebody help me with disabling X11 for specific user? i have Xubuntu and it sometimes works like a dedicated server, i need (can be temporaily) fully disable X-window system and use only terminal / command prompt. thanks
[14:11] <TheSheep> kbarter: just press alt+ctrl+f1 and log in there
[14:12] <TheSheep> kbarter: the X server doesn't run as an user, it runs as root
[14:12] <kbarter> ok, so i can easily turn off xserver by this short-cut?
[14:12] <TheSheep> kbarter: you can stop it globally with 'sudo service lightdm stop'
[14:13] <kbarter> ah
[14:13] <TheSheep> kbarter: that shortcut just switches to a text console
[14:13] <shpank> you don't turn it off by pressing ctrl+alt+f1, you just switch ttys
[14:13] <TheSheep> kbarter: to go back to graphical console, press alt+ctrl+f7
[14:16] <kbarter> thanks for the tips :) the service lightdm stop can be entered from ssh terminal and then open another ssh to work with the server?
[14:17] <TheSheep> sure, as long as you have sshd running
[14:17] <kbarter> sshd is running all the time so thats not a problem :)
[14:20] <kbarter> so in short, this command turns off X11 and only console remains?
[14:21] <shpank> it doesn't turn it off
[14:21] <shpank> but you can always kill lightdm
[14:21] <kbarter> sudo kill lightdm then
[14:21] <shpank> or gdm
[14:21] <shpank> whatever you are using
[14:22] <shpank> you can check it by running sudo ps aux | grep dm
[14:22] <kbarter> im using xubuntu so i presume lightdm
[14:22] <Sysi> service lightdm stop or it's probably respawn
[14:22] <Sysi> *it'll
[14:22] <shpank> in my case, i'm running gdm
[14:22] <shpank> although i am not quite sure why :)
[14:22] <shpank> so i would kill it with a simple sudo killall gdm-binary
[14:24] <aeternum_solus> I, uhh, what is up with this? Need to get 116 MB of archives.
[14:24] <aeternum_solus> After this operation, 90.1 kB of additional disk space will be used.
[14:25] <kbarter> well, it seems if i stop lightdm service, there is no procces to kill
[14:25] <kbarter> so i think it stops fully
[14:25] <kbarter> anyway kill command can do it too
[14:26] <kbarter> well folks, thanks for the help :) I'll write it down and use it next time :) cya folks
[14:35] <Guest18062> hello there. Is nautilus included with xubuntu since the installation?
[14:37] <Ormie> hello there. Is nautilus included with xubuntu since the installation?
[14:37] <Ormie> bazhang!
[14:38] <TheSheep> Ormie: of course not
[14:38] <TheSheep> !thunar
[14:38] <Ormie> ok
[14:40] <Ormie> thx :D
[14:41] <Ormie> hey, what's wrong with nautilus anyway?
[14:42] <shpank> i think nautilus is way nicer than thunar
[14:42] <shpank> well... besides the resource gobbling
[14:42] <TheSheep> it's a gnome application, pulls in a lot of gnome dependencies, and is much slower than thunar
[14:42] <TheSheep> also, kills baby seals
[14:44] <Ormie> ok
[14:44] <shpank> but
[14:45] <TheSheep> shpank: don't you care about the seals?
[14:45] <shpank> i couldn't find a thing about selecting files on the desktop with the keyboard
[14:45] <Ormie> i installed cheese. It installed a whole things of gnome i don't need. :|
[14:45] <shpank> like in gnome
[14:45] <shpank> when you just push a letter and it selects the first file/folder
[14:45] <shpank> i really miss that feature
[14:45]  * TheSheep doesn't have anything on his desktop
[14:48] <shpank> i like my deskto
[14:48] <shpank> p
[14:48] <shpank> because i don't have to open it :)
[14:49] <Sysi> single click doesn't work on desktop (yet) and it's often under some window
[14:49] <Ormie> how to change laptop LED brightness on the desktop? (the keys don't work)
[14:58] <O-73-6d-61-72-74> /-.-\
[14:58] <O-73-6d-61-72-74> yeah, as i knew. the channel will end up quiet. :q
[15:10] <bazhang> !nickspam > Ormie
[15:10] <Ormie> what? I was just testing nick
[15:11] <Ormie> nicks*
[15:13] <Ormie> Oh Gosh, I JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE!
[15:17] <Murtaugh> What's a good peice of software to burn music cd's with?
[15:18] <bazhang> !burners | Murtaugh
[15:18] <Murtaugh> thanks, and nice bot
[15:22] <Murtaugh> xfburn is spitting errors at me
[15:23] <Murtaugh> I try to run it, and it says it can't find it's config and asks to run it as root so other users can afterward
[15:24] <Murtaugh> and when i try to do that it says "failed to access cdrecord, check permissions and ownership of /usr/bin/cdrecord"
[15:25] <knyn_> Hi, how do I change my computer's name, and my username in Xubuntu?
[15:26] <GridCube> good question, i dont know of any other way than reinstalling to change the computer name, the username is easy just create a new user
[15:28] <Sysi> sudo -i to get root terminal, then edit /etc/hotname and /etc/hosts
[15:29] <Sysi> root terminal because changing can't remember which of those files breaks sudo, should work after changing second one
[15:29] <knyn_> GridCude: Do I create a new user by making a new group?
[15:30] <Pici> !hostname
[15:31] <GridCube> knyn_, :) Pici and Sysi seem to know a lot more than me in this aspects, please follow their lead
[15:31] <knyn_> "user@user-1225B:~$ hostname knyn_
[15:31] <knyn_> hostname: the specified hostname is invalid"
[15:32] <TheSheep> _ is reserved in dns names
[15:32] <knyn_> Wait, is this for my computer's name of my username?
[15:32] <knyn_> *or
[15:35] <Pici> Your computer's name is your hostname.
[15:38] <knyn_> ubottu: How do I change it to both?
[15:43] <baizon> :D
[15:44] <baizon> but we still love you ubottu :*
[16:27] <e-head> Hi
[16:27] <GridCube> !hi
[16:27] <e-head> Anyone know if it's possible to install mono v.1 on Xubuntu?
[16:27] <e-head> I have version 2 installed now.
[16:28] <e-head> There is a proggie I'm trying to run, and it spits out a couple of errors and says "try running a version of Mono prior to 2.0"
[16:30] <holstein> e-head: i would ask about the "proggie" and see if there are alternatives...
[16:31] <e-head> ohh man, it's highly specialized.
[16:31] <e-head> ;)
[16:32] <e-head> A true one of a kind.  It's an http tunneling program, that acts like a socks proxy. The thing that makes it so special is it can authenticate to MS's proxy server.
[16:32] <holstein> e-head: cool.. i would go that route, rather thatn changing a core component that you might need to constantly work around
[16:32] <holstein> e-head: can you downgrade mono? sure...
[16:32] <e-head> Anyway, the long and the short of it is... it's the only reason I can chat with you right now.  It basically tunnels through my work proxy/firewall via http requests.
[16:33] <e-head> that's what I was wondering.
[16:33] <e-head> Or... can you have both Mono runtimes installed?
[16:33] <e-head> I can't get anybodies attention over in #mono.
[16:34] <holstein> e-head: i would look and see if it can just easily be downgraded in the package manager of my choice.. then i would look at removing the version from ubuntu, and install whatever i need
[16:34] <TheSheep> requiring an older version of library is just wrong
[16:35] <TheSheep> what kind of malware is that?
[16:35] <holstein> e-head: it will be challenging at that point... you will be on your own as well
[16:35] <holstein> e-head: i would expect mono to support the current version, and ubuntu to support the verion in the repos
[16:36] <e-head> yeah, I'm a little surprised this program doesn't run on the new mono.
[16:37] <e-head> if it wasn't so cool I'd just say forget it.
[16:37] <e-head> It works great in .NET on windows.
[16:37] <e-head> I have a VM at work running Xubuntu though, and if I can get this thing working, I can set the system wide proxy variable to use my little tunnel and then the skies the limit.
[16:38] <e-head> ;)
[16:38] <holstein> i would look into other alternatives... native, well supported alternatives.. or just try installing whatever version of mono you need, and see what breaks
[16:41] <xubuntu496> hi
[16:41] <holstein> e-head: i like using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall ,though im not sure if it will be appropriate for your case
[16:42] <xubuntu496> I ned help with Intel core I3
[16:42] <holstein> e-head: check install would allow you to easily "undo" whatever custom install of mono you do (in theory)
[16:42] <xubuntu496> I can't install xubuntu-12.04 desktop
[16:42] <TheSheep> xubuntu496: you have to describe your problem and if anybody knows, they will answer
[16:43] <holstein> xubuntu496: intel is typically well supported.. and CPU's almost always "just work"
[16:43] <holstein> xubuntu496: i would geuss the issue might be with the graphics??
[16:43] <xubuntu496> no, install error
[16:44] <holstein> xubuntu496: cool.. feel free and elaborate.. i will suggest testing the downloaded iso
[16:44] <holstein> !md5 | xubuntu496
[16:44] <xubuntu496> say, check disc of install, stop the install
[16:44] <holstein> and let us know how you are trying to install and what "error" you are having
[16:44] <green7> what is Xubuntu/Roadmap and how can I help?
[16:45] <e-head> holstein: thanks. nice tip
[16:45] <TheSheep> green7: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[16:47] <green7> It says "Help Create xubuntu roadmap", but doesn't tell anything about how can someone help?
[16:47] <xubuntu496> ubottu I will do it
[16:47] <holstein> green7: i would /join the #xubuntu-devel channel and get a feel for what goes on as far as development
[16:48] <holstein> green7: try and attend (respectfully) a team meeting, or view some logs of past meetings
[16:49] <holstein> green7: for example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[16:49] <xubuntu496> I will like to contact with you  after make a cheksum
[16:50] <xubuntu496> ubottu
[16:50] <holstein> xubuntu496: you can verify the image and you are always welcome to come back here.. ubottu is a bot
[16:50] <xubuntu496> ok ok tanks holstein
[16:54] <green7> holstein: thankyou. are you a developer yourself?
[16:55] <holstein> green7: no.. but you will not find a harder working team anywhere
[16:56] <green7> holstein: thank you!
[17:03] <knyn_> I have messed up sudo by changing my hostname, what do I do?
[17:04] <TheSheep> -_-
[17:04] <TheSheep> change your hostname back
[17:04] <knyn_> All I did was  "sudo hostname knyn-eeepc".
[17:04] <TheSheep> ah
[17:04] <knyn_> I can't, because I need to use sudo to be able to change it back.
[17:05] <TheSheep> fortunately that's not saved, so when you reboot it will be back to deault
[17:05] <knyn_> Alright, I will reboot now then...
[17:05] <knyn_> Thanks.
[17:58] <PopeJo> can I copy CDs directly with xfburn?
[17:58] <PopeJo> the german wiki says so, but i cant find an option there
[18:17] <Os_Maleus> PopeJo: You can use k3b
[18:19] <PopeJo> thats a bit too big for my taste :)
[18:19] <PopeJo> installed brasero
[18:20] <PopeJo> which is atm stuck
[18:20] <PopeJo> meh
[18:22] <PopeJo> 2012 .. we landed on mars ... burning CDs is still tricky
[18:23]  * PopeJo is quiet now ;p
[18:23] <TheSheep> who still uses cds?
[18:23] <TheSheep> it's 2012!
[18:24] <PopeJo> I actually felt like 10 years ago, when i put the CD in the tray :D
[18:35] <addy> hi
[18:36] <addy> loco
[19:15] <giorgiodeninno> Why the ubuntu live cd is more stable and quick than the xubuntu one?
[19:31] <xubuntu452> I try to execute  asambler program , I made  the objet file and then I made the executable, but when I put in consola i saw : no se encontró la orden
[19:31] <xubuntu452> i use NASM
[20:16] <soliloquy1> How do I get the Unity appmenu in Xubuntu 12.04, or something like it? I love Xubuntu in general and have no desire to have the full-blown Unity, just the appmenu.
[20:23] <Unit193> Bug #922615 may want to look at.
[21:12] <jzen> It was a short time ago I disliked xfce. I disliked it aesthetic reasons, but I have come back for its functionality.
[21:14] <jzen> I have also abandoned LMDE (mint debian) because I had dependency issues attempting to install GIMP 2.8. I hope that is not a problem, since I can now use PPAs again.
[21:15] <David-A> jzen: did you manage to improve the aesthetic of xfce?
[21:16] <jzen> David: Not yet, but as I said, functionality is first so I will see what I can manage...
[21:16] <jzen> (lxde is my previous de of choice)
[21:22] <David-A> jzen: i've chosen a combination of styles in 4 different places: settings>window manager>style>theme, settings>appearance>style, settings>desktop>background, and a very small file ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[21:25] <Sysi> aesthetic = effective
[21:25] <Sysi> alttab theming is a bit lacky but otherly I haven't had problems with xfce
[21:26] <Sysi> KDE has all imaginable features but it never feels stable, especially on ubuntu
[21:26] <knome> http://open.knome.fi/2012/08/17/working-on-the-xubuntu-documentation-rewrite/
[21:27] <aquix> some very good gtk3 themes at deviantart.
[21:29] <jzen> Sysi: I've never felt comfortable in the plasma of kde. I have never even understood it. I do enjoy cinnamon and lxde otherwise.
[21:31] <jzen> David + Aquix: thank you both. Its good to have a place to start.
[21:31] <Sysi> plasma is simple, after removing "activities". Lxde needs quite a bit of polishing and still doesn't really give same as xfce, never tried cinnamon
[21:31] <aquix> your welcome
[21:33] <TheSheep> the only good thing about gnome 3 is that there are suddenly many independent desktop environment efforts exploring different approaches
[21:35] <Sysi> I really like gnome 3, it's simple and has nice features
[21:35] <jzen> Sysi: for me, KDE is... silly. However, I do use k9copy which depends upon kde libs. LXDE looks good in Lubuntu 12.04 but still needed work. Cinnamon is gnome2 on gnome with a fe features added.
[21:35] <knome> TheSheep, that is good, yes
[21:35] <TheSheep> Sysi: I really liked the idea of "spacial *" from gnome 2, shame they gave up on that
[21:36] <jzen> Well, my Xubuntu install has finished. Thanks to everyone for being helpful and polite. best wishes...
[21:36] <TheSheep> spaical file manager, spacial editor, etc.
[21:36] <Sysi> TheSheep: you care to explain that a bit further? maybe on offtopic
[21:36] <Sysi> mostly what "spacial" means
[21:52] <jzen> Fresh install seperate btrfs partions for / and /home... Error at boot:"Sparce file not allowed, Press any[] to continue..." then my login keeps erroring back to the DM/login. ?
[21:54] <jzen> Im reinstalling now using Ext4, because I know that works on my system. Next step is to resolve or move back to Mint. An ideas? (see previous post)
[22:01] <jzen> I was right suspecting btrfs cause the boot error. the display manager / xfce login issue is another story... Thanks google.
[22:48] <xubuntu704> Hello, is there someone that can help with my dilema?
[22:48] <knome> !ask | xubuntu704
[22:48] <xubuntu704> Okay, Thanks!
[22:48] <knome> np
[22:49] <xubuntu704> My desktop is writting to these two files so much, it takes up all my hard-drive space, and now it won't start (because I forgot once to maually delete it).
[22:50] <xubuntu704> So, it won't turn on because it has no room to log the system info to it.
[22:50] <xubuntu704> The two files are in: "/var/log/syslog" and "/var/log/kern.log"
[22:50] <knome> xubuntu704, you could boot with a live cd
[22:51] <knome> how much do you have hard disk space anyway?
[22:51] <xubuntu704> I tried, but for some reason it won't. I guess I could try for a third time.
[22:51] <xubuntu704> About 40GB
[22:51] <knome> ok, do you have one partition only?
[22:51] <xubuntu704> Yup
[22:52] <xubuntu704> Just Xubuntu 12.04
[22:52] <xubuntu704> (I think)
[22:52] <knome> okie. deleting from live cd should work
[22:52] <knome> maybe you need to look at how to keep the logs small enought
[22:52] <knome> -t
[22:53] <xubuntu704> -t ?
[22:53] <xubuntu704> Oh
[22:53] <knome> otoh, you will fill up the space anyway, so maybe see if you could uninstall some old kernels or stuff to free more space
[22:54] <xubuntu704> I don't know how to make it smaller. I've examined it on another computer, and it only seems to write all those lines to those files only when on the internet (I do believe)
[22:54] <knome> no, those logs are written even when you are not in the internet
[22:55] <xubuntu704> Ok. So how do I delete from live CD? I usually do it on the desktop with terminal (since they are system files).
[22:55] <xubuntu704> You know, "sudo rm /var/log/files"
[22:56] <knome> when you boot to the live CD, your partition should be automatically mounted, probably under /media/
[22:56] <knome> then just append /media/diskname (or similar) to any commands
[22:57] <xubuntu704> I ave no idea how to do that (I'm totally new to linux/terminal)
[22:57] <xubuntu704> can I cd into the folder?
[22:57] <xubuntu704> And then do the commands?
[22:57] <knome> yes
[22:57] <knome> the mounted drive should appear on the live cd desktop
[22:58] <knome> so it's easy enough to get to know the path it's mounted it
[22:58] <knome> *mounted in
[22:58] <xubuntu704> Alright. I'll give it a shot.
[22:58] <knome> good luck
[22:58] <xubuntu704> Thanks for the help! I might be back later....
[22:58] <knome> no problem
[23:14] <xubuntu880> hi everybody
[23:14] <aeternum_solus> hello
[23:16] <xubuntu880> tryin to install voyager linux
[23:16] <xubuntu880> but it seems to be stopped !!!
[23:16] <knome> we don't officially offer support for voyager
[23:17] <xubuntu880> mmmmmh ok...there was a link during the install...that's how i came here
[23:17] <xubuntu880> ;-)
[23:18] <knome> that's because they copied the installer slideshow from xubuntu
[23:18] <knome> (along with much more)
[23:19] <xubuntu880> it's a very beautiful and simple using OS...
[23:21] <xubuntu880> i have network problems...bye bye all
[23:21] <knome> bye