/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/17/#kubuntu-devel.txt

JontheEchidnawow, there's a 5-day wait for PPA builds00:22
JontheEchidnaoh right, that datacenter move00:23
=== skaet_ is now known as skaet
* Riddell ponders what to put in the release team report08:45
RiddellJontheEchidna: congrats on muon 1.4!09:46
JontheEchidnaRiddell: thank you!11:31
JontheEchidnaapol_: grats on 1.4!11:33
apol_JontheEchidna: congratulations to you :)11:35
* apol_ congratulates himself everyday about the master ;)11:35
apol_JontheEchidna: btw, maybe we need a discover product in muon at bugs.kde.,org no?11:37
mparilloHello! I raised: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/103714811:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1037148 in Kubuntu Website "Obsolete Documentation on Kubuntu Feature Tour" [Undecided,New]11:39
Riddellhi mparillo 11:40
mparilloAnd JR himself invited me to join here, when I volunteered to help. Unfortunately, I do not know where to start.11:40
mparilloI did contact the maintainer of the page, and I think he gave me permission to change it.11:41
Riddellmparillo: oh? which maintainer is that?11:41
mparilloI can get the real name, or even post his e-mail reply to the bug since it is not 100% clear I have his permission, but his handle was: klinger-ofir11:42
Riddellyeah ofir made the website a couple of years ago11:42
Riddellbut got fed up with it having to go through canonical sysadmin who are slow to review changes11:43
mparilloOfir Klinger is his real name.11:43
Riddellfor some reason the features page is part of the website theme rather than direct content11:43
Riddellwhich makes it very slow to change11:43
mparilloYes, he hinted at that in his e-mail.11:43
mparilloHe thought I might need to setup a bzr repo and going through a lengthy review process, but I do not know where to start.11:45
Riddellmparillo: two possibilities11:48
Riddelleither updating the html in bzr and merging and asking sysadmin to update it11:49
Riddellwhich is faffy11:49
Riddellor working out how to make it a normal part of the site and not part of the theme11:49
Riddellwhich is faffy11:49
mparillofaffy?11:50
Riddellwith hassle11:52
Riddellmparillo: ever used Drupal?11:52
mparilloNo. I Have hand-coded fairly simple HTML pages, and I know I could replace the obsolete text and FTP the changes back up. I would be willing to learn something about Drupal and the Kubuntu website, but I suppose I need a starting point, and an sandbox environment?11:54
Riddellmparillo: able to use a command line?11:56
mparilloA bit. I sudo apt-get update from time to time.11:56
Riddellmparillo: well this11:57
Riddellmparillo: well this will get you the theme11:58
Riddellbzr branch lp:~klinger-ofir/kubuntu-website-staging/release-1.011:58
Riddelland page-node-27.tpl.php is the file to be edite11:58
Riddelland page-node-27.tpl.php is the file to be edited11:58
mparilloWow, that was a lot of dependencies.11:59
mparilloLooks as if it branched 8 revisions12:01
mparilloI gave bzr my launchpad-login12:03
mparillonow I see release-1.012:03
Riddellactually it's the file page-node-10.tpl.php that needs editing12:04
mparilloThank you, I see the entire directory, and I can 'nano' the -27 file. I will work on at least updating the text, and I will come back to ask how I submit my changes back. OK?12:06
Riddellmparillo: yeah make an edit then we'll work out how to get the changes in :)12:07
Riddellmparillo: edit page-node-10.tpl.php12:07
mparilloThank you, I saw your correction earlier, I just wanted to test that I could open the file from the command line.12:09
jtechidnaapol_: I knew I forgot something xD12:09
mparilloMay I ask two launchpad questions?12:10
mparilloFirst, should I update my bug to say I am working on it?12:10
apol_jtechidna: I'll add it later then12:12
jtechidnaapol_: thanks :)12:12
jtechidnainteresting blog stats du jour: http://i.imgur.com/7mJgd.png12:12
jtechidnamparillo: you can set the assignee to you, and mark the status as "in progress" once you start working on it12:13
Riddellmparillo: yes that would be a good idea12:14
Riddellpage-node-10.tpl.php will automatically just overwrite what is in the drupal CMS for /node/1012:16
mparilloDone, thank you. BTW, on a quick look, -10 and -27 look nearly identical.12:16
Riddellso I think we can make a new page, copy the stuff into it, then ask sysadmin to remove that file and update the feature-tour alias12:16
Riddellmparillo: yea I think -27 is unused12:16
mparilloThank you. Separately, can you look to see if I have assigned the correct package for: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/101931912:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1019319 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Speller Widget stays in background on Kubuntu 12.10 Daily Builds" [Undecided,New]12:18
Riddellmparillo: it should be kdeplasma-addons but that's an upstream bug so bugs.kde.org is a better place to report it12:23
Riddellin launchpad it's unlikely to get any attention12:23
Riddelland that /might/ be a window management issue12:24
mparilloI will update in launchpad and add to bugs.kde.org, thank you.12:24
mparilloThank you. Signing out.12:25
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1004593] LFE disappears on 5.1, 4.0 has LFE channel, high pitched squeals (bit shifting?), several ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1004593 (by Abraham Mara)12:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1004593 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "LFE disappears on 5.1, 4.0 has LFE channel, high pitched squeals (bit shifting?), several versions" [Undecided,Opinion]12:32
gotwigI heard muon discover came with muon 1.4, is that right?12:39
gotwigso how can I use that?12:39
gotwig(12.10)12:39
jtechidnagotwig: sudo apt-get install muon-discover12:39
gotwigjtechidna: :>12:40
jtechidna:)12:40
gotwigits so usc like, isnt it :X?12:42
jtechidnathere are similarities, yes12:43
ScottKThis is kind of awesome: http://tos-dr.info/14:05
apol+1 14:06
apol:)14:06
mparilloI have edited the Kubuntu Feature Tour Source.14:53
Riddellmparillo: groovy, what's new?14:54
mparilloChanging the visible text from Konqueror to rekonq and Open Office to LibreOffice.14:54
mparilloIs there another konsole command to upload the file back in?14:55
ScottKhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/261001/twitters_api_changes_whats_in_it_for_users.html looks like fun for whatever our Twitter thing is.14:55
Riddellmparillo: bzr diff; bzr commit  to start14:55
mparillobzr diff gives me about what I would expect, but bzr commit gives me:14:58
mparillobzr: ERROR: Unable to determine your name.                                               Please, set your name with the 'whoami' command.                                         E.g. bzr whoami "Your Name <name@example.com>"  14:59
mparilloI already think I associated my LaunchPad ID14:59
mparilloOr do I need to do it each session?14:59
ScottKDo what it says.14:59
ScottKShouldn't.14:59
mparilloRe-associating myself with Launchpad ID did not help, but the whoami did. Now I have a nano editing session.15:02
Riddellmparillo: after running bzr commit15:05
Riddellthat means you should describe what the change it15:05
Riddellis15:05
mparilloDo I simply describe the change I am trying to check in, and then save and exit?15:05
Riddellmparillo: yep15:06
mparillobzr commit Committing to: /home/mparillo/Documents/release-1.0/                                    modified page-node-10.tpl.php Committed revision 9.      15:06
Riddellmparillo: what's your launchpad id again?15:07
mparilloAlas, I have two, but let's ignore that for the moment. The one that accepted the bug was marco-parillo15:08
Riddellmparillo: ok try pushing it to launchpad   bzr push lp:~marco-parillo/kubuntu-website-staging/tour-update15:09
mparillobzr push lp:~marco-parillo/kubuntu-website-staging/tour-update The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (91.189.90.11)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is 9d:38:3a:63:b1:d5:6f:c4:44:67:53:49:2e:ee:fc:89. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? y Please type 'yes' or 'no': yes Warning: Permanently added 'bazaar.launchpad.net,91.189.90.11' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. Permission denied (publick15:10
mparilloConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying Permission denied (publickey). bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. 15:11
Riddelldrat15:11
Riddellmparillo: is your default ssh key the one in https://launchpad.net/~marco-parillo ?15:12
mparilloDoes bzr use some port that my company's firewall might be blocking? I can re-try from home tonight (US-Eastcoast)15:12
Riddellit'll use port 2215:12
mparilloI have never tried to use ssh.15:12
mparilloI think I did that so I could sign the code of conduct.15:12
mparilloBut, yes, I did store the public and private keys in ASCII.15:13
Riddellmparillo: ok you can just e-mail it to me15:15
Riddelljriddell@ ubuntu.com15:15
RiddellI still need to decide if I want to try and fix the page properly so you don't have to do this nonsense or just tell sysadmins to commit it15:16
mparilloThank you. I realize you could have done this quicker yourself, but I hope over time to contribute more. BTW, can I search this IRC channel later on, say from home for all these commands you have given me?15:16
Riddellmparillo: well it's been unchanged for a couple of years so it's fair to say we didn't do it quicker :)15:17
Riddellmparillo: there's logs at irclogs.ubuntu.com15:17
mparilloThank you. I have attached the output of the diff and the new .php file to https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/103714815:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1037148 in Kubuntu Website "Obsolete Documentation on Kubuntu Feature Tour" [Undecided,In progress]15:21
Riddellmparillo: thanks that'll do15:22
mparilloYW, and I marked two bugs as duplicates of this one.15:23
Riddellgroovy15:23
mparilloOnce again, thank you for making me a contributer. And if this goes smoothly, maybe we can do bigger things for the 12.10 launch.15:25
Riddellmparillo: I hope so15:28
Riddell16:27 < xnox> Riddell: yes. The automatic partitioning is done, and you can start implementing the Qt front-end changes.15:28
Riddellubiquity maintainer needed ^^15:28
shadeslayerwhut?15:40
shadeslayerwhat needs maintaining?15:40
Riddellshadeslayer: whut whut?15:40
Riddellshadeslayer: oh ubiquity is getting new features in the gtk side, would be good to have them in the kde side15:40
Riddellso we can get rid of alternate CD15:40
shadeslayerwell ... it's all python ...15:40
Riddellshadeslayer: so what?15:41
shadeslayerwho maintains the kde frontend atm? 15:41
ScottKNo one15:41
ScottKThat's the problem.15:41
shadeslayerRiddell: I'm ... not comfy with python :P15:41
Riddellapachelogger was the last one to touch it :)15:41
shadeslayerokay ...15:41
shadeslayerI'll try to read the code ....15:41
ScottKshadeslayer: It's PyQt, so it's almost as much Qt as it is Python, not that hard.15:42
Riddellroman shtylman is coming to visit me tomorrow, maybe I can persuade him to take it up again :)15:42
shadeslayer:D15:42
ScottKNice.15:42
shadeslayerRiddell: notify him that we miss him :P15:42
ScottKAbsolutely.15:42
Riddellwill do15:42
cmaginai thought someone was tinkering with a QML version?15:57
Riddellnot that I know of15:59
cmaginaoh, just swore i remember seeing some screenshots, but maybe they were just mock-ups16:04
ScottKLooking at print-manager in New.17:23
ScottKRiddell and dantti: Bad news.  Since configure-printer/PrinterOptions.cpp includes LGPL-2+openssl exception code from CUPS that license needs to be documented and that file and any files that link against it are GPL-3 incompatible (need to be GPL-2 vice 2+).  So it needs a copy of the LGPL-2 in the tarball and a fixed debian/copyright.17:38
ScottKShould be easy enough to fix, but rejecting for new.17:38
ScottKEverything else seems fine.17:40
danttiScottK: so all that configure-printer thing needs to be lgpl?18:00
ScottKdantti: I didn't look at the code so I don't know if it's all.  It can be GPL, but GPL-2 only, not GPL-2+.18:03
ScottKdantti: BTW, thank you for honestly documenting where you got the code from.  Not everyone does that.18:03
danttiok18:04
danttihehe, well I always try to point to the original authors if I copy important parts of code...aptcc has copyright from the aptitude author even tho most of his code inspiration is gone now :P18:05
shadeslayer!find digikam.xpm18:31
ubottuFile digikam.xpm found in digikam18:31
shadeslayerhm18:31
debfxconvert digikam.xpm digikam.png18:32
debfximages are not c code ;)18:33
shadeslayer:P18:33
shadeslayerI'm just looking at bug 65804718:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 658047 in digikam (Ubuntu) "Update digiKam icon to default Oxygen provided icon" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65804718:33
shadeslayerprobably should be fixed upstream18:34
debfxshould be an easy sell, as upstream likes to embed external stuff18:35
shadeslayer:P18:35
shadeslayerthis is fun, no digikam.xpm in the sources18:36
shadeslayermost likely something that they do on the fly then18:36
debfxthere is a debian/xpm.d/18:37
shadeslayeroh, I was looking at pristine upstream sources18:38
debfx.xpm come from the debian packages 90% of the time18:38
* shadeslayer will keep that in mind from the next time18:40
Quintasan_argh18:52
Quintasan_so much for skateboarding18:52
=== Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan
DaskreechScottK: I can't find an official ones . Do you have any unoffical one?19:11
Daskreech+s19:11
ScottKNo, but I know they don't go away, I just don't know where Debian stuffs them.19:11
Daskreechhmm19:12
Daskreechok19:12
DaskreechI"m no good at finding them then trolling the ftps19:24
shadeslayerDaskreech: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ < that maybe?19:27
Daskreechhmm19:28
Daskreechwonder why debian iso archive doesn't turn that up19:28
shadeslayer*shrug*19:28
Quintasanshadeslayer: Did you package any library?19:34
shadeslayerQuintasan: huh? 0.o19:34
Quintasanshadeslayer: pls look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/maliit-framework_0.90.0-0ubuntu1.dsc19:35
QuintasanIf it look okay19:35
* shadeslayer adds to todo19:35
Quintasanoh19:35
Quintasandon't then19:35
shadeslayerI'll look at it tomorrow19:35
shadeslayercan't do it before then 19:35
shadeslayerdoing other stuff19:35
QuintasanI will just read the whole maintainer guide then19:35
yofelQuintasan: depends of maalit-framework-dev is wrong (the 0 shouldn't be there?)19:37
Quintasanhmm19:37
Quintasanyeah19:37
Quintasanthe dependencies are still wip actually19:38
Quintasanthe rewrote guide is sitll not clear to me19:38
Quintasanneed to ask mikhas19:38
yofellibmaalit-plugins-dev doesn't depend on libmaalit-plugins019:38
yofelsame for -quick19:38
yofeldo you really need 3 -dev packages?19:38
yofeloh, qmake, my condolences19:39
yofelQuintasan: as for the install file: .pc stuff is pkg-config, put in -dev, and the dev .so should be in -dev as well19:41
Quintasanyofel: qmake is fun19:41
Quintasan:P19:41
yofelno19:41
* Quintasan hides19:41
Quintasanyofel: according to upstream every component should have -dev package19:42
Quintasanwell, it's optional but hell, if I can ship it then there are no problems19:42
yofeland the regex in libmaalit-plugins0 will install the lib from libmaalit-plugins-quick0 as well19:42
yofelwell, fine with me then19:42
Quintasanyofel: as for the install files19:43
Quintasancopied them from upstream packaging T_T19:43
yofelohmy19:43
QuintasanLooks like I will have to kill all of it and sort things with list-missing19:43
yofelhm19:43
* yofel notices he said maalit all the time instead of maliit19:44
* yofel goes filing bugs about muon-discover19:56
yofeljtechidna: you're missing a '1.4' version for muon on b.k.o20:15
shadeslayerfyi there's a free vim book from amazon today20:19
shadeslayerhttp://www.amazon.com/dp/B004JF4NOQ20:19
yofelurgh20:22
yofelthe CPU requirements for the QML scrollbar are insane20:22
Riddellshadeslayer: free if you have already bought an amazon kindle you mean?21:13
Riddellyet another reason to prefer emacs :)21:13
shadeslayerRiddell: there's a option to read it online as well21:13
shadeslayerhah :D21:13
ScottKI have yet to have a vim question that wasn't almost instantly answered via Google, so I don't see why I care.21:14
shadeslayerScottK: what if you don't have internets21:15
shadeslayeroh wait21:15
shadeslayeryou're in the US21:15
shadeslayerinvalid question :P21:15
ScottKThen reading it online helps me how?21:15
Riddellsometimes you don't know to ask something21:15
Riddellso a book to tell you what's available is good21:16
shadeslayerI have a kindle, so I purchased it :P21:16
* shadeslayer checks if you can download the pdf or sth21:17
shadeslayeryou can download the azw format, but I doubt any reader supports it21:18
shadeslayerI guess makes sense only if you have a Kindle then21:19
shadeslayerRiddell: http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/ydg6w/now_that_the_schools_are_back_the_take_away_place/c5ulauk?context=121:20
Riddellmany of us have higher opinions of the youth of the country than that poster21:24
=== rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter
Riddellquite a political issue that, should senior schools let pupils out the grounds for lunch, since they usually buy chips and other unhealthy meals if they do21:25
shadeslayerRiddell: wow, really? No one here cares about students that much :(21:36
Riddell"obesity epidemic" a bit of a first world problem21:40
JontheEchidnayofel: I've just pinged the lovely folks in #kde-bugs to request a 1.4.0 version21:40
JontheEchidnaoh, and they just added it :D21:41
JontheEchidnayofel: thanks for the testing, too21:42
JontheEchidnaSince I've tendered my two weeks notice of resignation at my current employers today, I suppose I can tell you all that I'm now going to be employed by Blue Systems to work on Muon/Kubuntu things. :)21:46
shadeslayerwhoa21:46
shadeslayerJontheEchidna++21:46
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: welcome to the group!! :D21:46
JontheEchidna:)21:46
jocarterJontheEchidna: ah congrats21:47
yofelJontheEchidna: congrats :)21:48
JontheEchidnaI'll do a proper blog post about that some time this weekend21:48
RiddellJontheEchidna: ooh21:50
shadeslayeroh wow21:51
shadeslayerusing kate to open xpm files and it's a bunch of ascii art21:51
shadeslayerhttp://paste.kde.org/536234/21:52
JontheEchidnathe asciis correspond to colors21:53
shadeslayeryeah21:53
shadeslayerjpeg is mostly binary I believe21:54
shadeslayerand I've never handled xpm's before21:54
shadeslayerso this is new for me :P21:54
Riddellwhy are you caring about xpms?21:55
shadeslayerbug 65804721:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 658047 in digikam (Ubuntu) "Update digiKam icon to default Oxygen provided icon" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65804721:56
shadeslayerapparently this was fixed in digikam's packaging revision 26.21:57
Riddellmm, and is the xpm used anywhere?22:02
JontheEchidna!info menu22:02
ubottumenu (source: menu): generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.46ubuntu1 (precise), package size 434 kB, installed size 1753 kB22:02
JontheEchidna^debian seems to love that22:02
JontheEchidnaand it uses xpms22:02
Riddellbut surely gnome uses xdg menu now22:03
JontheEchidnaI think they're still trying to pretend that Debian is desktop-neutral :P22:03
Riddellany sane desktop has used xdg menus for years22:03
RiddellI thought it was only fvwm or the like that needed the debian menu still22:04
Riddelloh it's because the application icon is in the oxygen-icon-theme package22:06
Riddellwell that's just wrong22:06
CIA-41[digikam] Rohan Garg * 49 * debian/ (6 files in 2 dirs) * New upstream release * Replace icons from KDE 3 time in debian/xpm.d/*.xpm with the new versions (LP: #658047)22:10
shadeslayerallee: ^ Fixed. Apparently you fixed this in maverick, but something must have gone wrong with a merge or sth22:10
ScottKJontheEchidna: Congratulations.22:11
ScottKRiddell: xpm is great in source format 1 packages since you can't use a 'binary' file in the Debian directory on those.22:12
Riddellshadeslayer: even better would be to fix it upstream22:23
shadeslayerhm?22:23
Riddellbut that needs some coordination of release schedules and informing packagers about overlapping files22:23
Riddellmove the icon into the digikam package where it belongs22:24
shadeslayerRiddell: the current xpm files come from debian/xpm.d22:24
shadeslayerupstream has no xpm files22:24
shadeslayerso, should we move the xpm files upstream?22:24
Riddellshadeslayer: there's no need for any xpm files22:25
shadeslayeroh?22:26
Riddellit's only used because the digikam icon from upstream isn't shipped with digikam22:26
Riddellit's shipped with oxygen-theme22:26
shadeslayerah ok22:26
Riddellwhich means non-kde users who install digikam don't get it22:26
Riddelland so it falls back to the .xpm icon22:27
Riddellbut if the upstream one was part of digikam like any other application has it, it would be all good22:27
shadeslayerhmm22:27
Riddellalthough I wonder what other icons digikam misses if oxygen-theme isn't installed22:28
shadeslayerthe question is, will upstream agree to that?22:28
ScottKOne way to find out.22:28
RiddellI don't see why he wouldn't but it may well be more effort than it's worth22:28
shadeslayerthere must be a reason why their icons are in the oxygen sources instead of digikam itself ;)22:30
RiddellI think it's just artists putting it in the wrong place22:30
RiddellI remember moving a load out of oxygen and into applications back in the day22:31
ScottKIf you assume everyone is running KDE then it doesn't matter.22:37
MamarokI just got an error when updating in Quantal: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdevplatform6-libs_1.3.80-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/kdev_format_source.sh', which is also in package kdevplatform5-libs 1.3.1-2ubuntu122:44
* shadeslayer wonders why qemu is being idiotic22:45
* Mamarok is off to bed, has been walking a lot today22:46
shadeslayerlol23:49
shadeslayerapachelogger_: https://github.com/Nava2/libqcalparser/commits/master23:49
apachelogger_lol23:58

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