| * h6w is thinking about moving some projects from an svn repos. | 00:55 | |
| h6w | I like github's interface, but I also like launchpad's bug management. | 00:56 |
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| h6w | Particularly, my two concerns with lp are (1) the ease of forking, and (2) getting a good visual of the current state of the branches. | 00:57 |
| h6w | Is there anyone around who has experience with both? | 00:58 |
| StevenK | The ease of forking? bzr branch lp:project ; <hack> ; bzr commit ; bzr push lp:~name/project/a-new-feature | 00:58 |
| StevenK | You do not need a server side 'fork' button | 00:58 |
| h6w | Well, normally I'd agree with you, but there's a psychological "You don't have to learn bzr to work on this project." which draws people in. | 01:00 |
| StevenK | h6w: You know svn, you can treat bzr like it | 01:00 |
| h6w | Yes, *I* know this, but many of the people who get interested in our code like coding but not version control. I want to treat these with kid gloves. | 01:02 |
| dobey | nobody *likes* version control | 01:02 |
| StevenK | h6w: It pretty much is like what I said, bzr branch lp:project, etc | 01:02 |
| h6w | I have one person in particular who took code out of the repos, worked on it for a year, and then argued that he couldn't commit because the updates were too different. | 01:02 |
| h6w | Yeah. Maybe I'm asking too much. | 01:03 |
| dobey | h6w: no version control system is going to solve that problem for any active projects | 01:03 |
| dobey | if you maintain a fork for a year that isn't up to date with trunk; you're going to have problems regardless of the vcs | 01:03 |
| h6w | Well, at least with github I can say "Here's your own fork, trash it, and I'll sort out the differences in a separate fork before merging back in. | 01:04 |
| dobey | and you can do that on lp | 01:04 |
| h6w | True, but not as easy visually. | 01:04 |
| h6w | I get diff counts and analysis all through the web UI for free. Can I do that with bzr? | 01:05 |
| StevenK | h6w: Launchpad does 'Merge proposals' rather than pull requests. Here is an example https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/no-more-add-bug-supervisor/+merge/119818 | 01:06 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 119818 in knetworkmanager (Ubuntu) "wpa does not work with networkmanager, WEP works" [Undecided,Invalid] | 01:06 |
| dobey | github shoving pretty colors on top of 'diff' has nothing to do with bzr or git | 01:06 |
| dobey | and i have no idea what you mean by 'analysis' | 01:06 |
| lifeless | h6w: show us something you're missing on LP on github, we'll see if there is a place on LP you missed it. | 01:07 |
| h6w | By analysis, I mean merge proposals that follow the changes. | 01:07 |
| h6w | Sorry, I've just been working on a project on github temporarily. Now I feel spoilt, even if it's just pretty colors and layout. | 01:07 |
| dobey | as you see on the link StevenK posted, merge proposals have colored diffs, yes | 01:08 |
| dobey | and they update when the branch being prooposed changes | 01:08 |
| h6w | Awesome. That must be a new feature. (I haven't looked at this seriously in a couple of years.) | 01:12 |
| h6w | Also, this looks like what I'm suggesting. https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/408097 | 01:12 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 408097 in Launchpad itself "Making a new branch of an existing project on Launchpad is not obvious, requires having bzr installed and copying (some) branch data around" [Low,Triaged] | 01:12 |
| wgrant | h6w: Merge proposals have had those features for about 4 years, actually. | 01:13 |
| h6w | Is there a bug for "Branch information could be more dynamic and include user information on contributions" like github's little branch tree? | 01:14 |
| dobey | branch info dose include user info | 01:15 |
| dobey | does | 01:15 |
| h6w | Hmmm, ok. I'm going to have to give this a proper play. At present it looks like a statically-generated image with little actual information (when compared against github's interface). | 01:16 |
| dobey | oh you mean the silly little line graph thing? | 01:16 |
| h6w | Yes. Very silly but gives me a nice overall view, and allows me to go back years to see when someone looked at various things, contributions (which I know is quite mythical), and other stuff. | 01:18 |
| h6w | Currently, for example, I'm trying to argue to a non-coding manager that we shouldn't pander to someone who hasn't commit in almost a year. | 01:18 |
| dobey | launchpad doesn't have such a thing on each branch | 01:19 |
| dobey | the one on launchpad just shows milestones and series branchse | 01:19 |
| dobey | branches | 01:19 |
| h6w | Yeah. What would that be called? (So I can search for it in lp bugs) | 01:19 |
| dobey | for each branch, you can however, go through the entire history on the web if you want in the code browser | 01:19 |
| dobey | i don't know. scrolling horizontally in a tiny little area on a web page is like the most useless thing ever, really :) | 01:20 |
| dobey | but there are local tools you can run inside a branch to get a huge pretty graph if you really want one, and the code browser on launchpad works pretty well, and lets you see diffs and such | 01:20 |
| h6w | Personal preference. I actually found myself looking at it on a daily basis since there were a dozen or so people actively working on the project in a single day, I could look at their changes easily and determine if I wanted to merge what they'd done recently. | 01:21 |
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| rmk | How deep is the build backlog? Have a paid account and we're at 5 hours right now. | 03:12 |
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| czajkowski | rmk: can you let me know which project please | 06:07 |
| rmk | metacloud | 06:07 |
| czajkowski | and which ppa ? | 06:08 |
| rmk | Both stable and devel | 06:08 |
| czajkowski | https://launchpad.net/~metacloud/+archive/devel and https://launchpad.net/~metacloud/+archive/stable | 06:09 |
| rmk | correct | 06:09 |
| czajkowski | ok let me see if I can do something | 06:09 |
| rmk | great thank you | 06:09 |
| czajkowski | np | 06:09 |
| czajkowski | sorry am just awake | 06:10 |
| czajkowski | rmk: we're just looking into it, asyou can see from our topic our builds are delayed due to a move which hapened yesterday | 06:11 |
| czajkowski | sorry for the inconvience. | 06:11 |
| czajkowski | we did put this on the blog - blog.launchpad.net | 06:11 |
| czajkowski | and also on twitter and indent.ica under launchpadstatus | 06:11 |
| wgrant | It's taking a little longer than expected :( | 06:12 |
| wgrant | But let me get you some builders... | 06:13 |
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| rmk | no problem, definitely understand | 06:14 |
| rmk | while I've got you guys, I've always been curious what makes publishing take ~15-20 minutes at times? | 06:14 |
| StevenK | If a large package is uploaded to a PPA or a large number of PPAs changed, usually | 06:15 |
| StevenK | Sometimes the machine is just bogged down with an awful lot of requests | 06:16 |
| wgrant | rmk: Sometimes the publishing machinery gets a bit overloaded when there's a lot of packages flying around. We're moving it to a new much bigger machine tomorrow (as part of this series of DC moves), which will hopefully bring it back to every 5 minutes consistently | 06:16 |
| rmk | awesome | 06:16 |
| wgrant | Or at least better than it is now :) | 06:17 |
| rmk | It wasn't too bad but faster is always better | 06:17 |
| wgrant | Definitely. | 06:17 |
| rmk | Would you guys mind making another PPA private for us, https://launchpad.net/~metacloud/+archive/staging | 06:19 |
| wgrant | rmk: Done | 06:20 |
| rmk | thanks much | 06:20 |
| czajkowski | rmk: need anything else? | 06:21 |
| rmk | Can I have a pony? | 06:21 |
| rmk | :) | 06:21 |
| czajkowski | only if I can have sleep and that's justnot going to happen any time soon! | 06:21 |
| rmk | haha, yeah, datacenter moves are always painful | 06:21 |
| rmk | ran a large systems team for a massive ecomm site for years and we were pretty much always in the middle of a move, I don't envy you guys | 06:22 |
| wgrant | rmk: I've shifted your devel/stable builds up to next in line | 06:22 |
| rmk | cheers | 06:22 |
| codemaniac | where i can reset my launchpad password | 07:58 |
| codemaniac | any holy man for help ? | 07:58 |
| czajkowski | codemaniac: https://login.launchpad.net/+forgot_password | 07:59 |
| codemaniac | czajkowski: thanks | 08:00 |
| czajkowski | np | 08:00 |
| codemaniac | but have one issue i have multiple emails there | 08:00 |
| codemaniac | so cannot confirm theprimary one | 08:00 |
| codemaniac | can you do an backend update ? | 08:01 |
| codemaniac | or send reset mail to my email | 08:01 |
| czajkowski | codemaniac: you'll need to work out which one as we cant go changing peoples settings on them | 08:01 |
| codemaniac | i understand czajkowski | 08:02 |
| codemaniac | thanks anyway | 08:02 |
| codemaniac | got in thanks , with a random guess | 08:02 |
| pmjdebruijn | hi folks | 08:51 |
| pmjdebruijn | is there anything going on the the PPAs? | 08:51 |
| pmjdebruijn | I've got builds queued to the 22th... | 08:51 |
| pmjdebruijn | https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/darktable-unstable/+build/3728321 | 08:51 |
| pmjdebruijn | while it's no disaster... it's found it a bit peculiar | 08:52 |
| pmjdebruijn | it says 21th now :s | 08:52 |
| MCR1 | pmjdebruijn: I think there is some scheduled downtime | 08:58 |
| pmjdebruijn | ah | 08:58 |
| pmjdebruijn | oh | 08:58 |
| pmjdebruijn | "Build delays due to hardware move" | 08:58 |
| pmjdebruijn | it was in the topic | 08:58 |
| pmjdebruijn | shame on me | 08:58 |
| MCR1 | pmjdebruijn: http://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/launchpad-code-hosting-unavailable-22-00-utc-2012-08-17 | 08:59 |
| pmjdebruijn | yeah | 08:59 |
| pmjdebruijn | thanks | 08:59 |
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| wgrant | Launchpad's about to go offline for a couple of minutes while we switch to a new DB master. | 10:02 |
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| silverarrow | hi | 11:00 |
| silverarrow | how is the best way to go about a bug report on gnome player in lubuntu | 11:01 |
| silverarrow | I have a problem with gnome mplayer, and it is the same on at l east three different computers | 11:01 |
| silverarrow | when I play anything the windows can go black if I try to resize window, or have full screen view | 11:02 |
| silverarrow | it is a lubuntu or perhaps debian issue | 11:02 |
| silverarrow | I a have had the same setup in puppy linux with gnome player and it works fine and is very stable | 11:03 |
| silverarrow | there is a lubunt channel but they are not very good with bug reports there | 11:03 |
| === wgrant changed the topic of #launchpad to: Codehosting & PPA uploads unavailable from 22:00UTC | Build delays due to hardware move | Help contact: - | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | ||
| === wgrant changed the topic of #launchpad to: Codehosting & PPA uploads unavailable 22:00-02:00 UTC, build delays due to hardware move | Help contact: - | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | ||
| danilos | fwiw, it seems build delays have started yesterday already, I expected them to start happening tonight instead :/ | 12:09 |
| wgrant | danilos: http://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/launchpad-downtime-august-16th | 12:12 |
| wgrant | During this time there will be significantly reduced capacity in the PPA build farm. Interruption starts: 07.00 UTC 16th August 2012 | 12:12 |
| danilos | wgrant, ah, thanks | 12:16 |
| danilos | I've only seen the next blog entry, ta | 12:16 |
| * apw doesn't seem to be able to file a simple bug against cloud-init today: OOPS-5095067de5536d061b6e5677ec1b0278 | 13:35 | |
| ubot5 | https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=5095067de5536d061b6e5677ec1b0278 | 13:35 |
| mgz | ...why is that on lp-oops | 13:40 |
| wgrant | 'cause ubotu's out of date | 13:41 |
| mgz | but doesn't actually seem to be found on either oops or lp-oops | 13:41 |
| wgrant | mgz: We probably still have a huge queue from the DB switchover | 13:41 |
| wgrant | apw: How many times have you retried? | 13:41 |
| wgrant | We're on a new DB server that has never been a DB server before, so you may be suffering from cold cache | 13:41 |
| mgz | apw: sorry, you'll have to wait to find out, what method did you use to file? | 13:41 |
| wgrant | (also, this weekend nothing involving the datacentres is exactly 'simple' :P) | 13:42 |
| mgz | but you've looked like you're having such fun... | 13:42 |
| apw | wgrant, about 10 times over two minues | 13:42 |
| wgrant | Hmm | 13:43 |
| wgrant | apw: Is this during the dupe search stage, or the actual submission? | 13:43 |
| apw | wgrant, after i've typed the title and description, so i assume dup search? | 13:43 |
| wgrant | apw: The description is after dup search | 13:43 |
| apw | wgrant, shows how much i read :/ | 13:44 |
| wgrant | Heh | 13:44 |
| wgrant | apw: Any better now? There was a DB load issue for 15-20 minutes around the time you asked. | 13:58 |
| apw | wgrant, worked that time, thanks | 13:59 |
| wgrant | apw: Great. | 14:01 |
| ScottK | It would be cool if Launchpad got itself listed in http://tos-dr.info/ and then linked to it in the TOS. | 14:25 |
| dobey | ugh, was the /builders page view crashing issue not fixed yet? | 14:32 |
| silverarrow | anyone clerver with bug launching from ubuntu? | 14:36 |
| silverarrow | clever* | 14:36 |
| dobey | bug launching? | 14:36 |
| silverarrow | sorry bug report | 14:36 |
| silverarrow | lol | 14:36 |
| dobey | run "ubuntu-bug package-name" ? | 14:37 |
| silverarrow | thanks dobey | 14:40 |
| JoseeAntonioR | Hey, guys! We're having the Ubuntu Developer Week in about two weeks, and I'd like to know who may be willing to help us with a 1-hour session at 1800UTC on August 29 about hosting code in LP with Bazaar, and automated builds, recipes, and all that stuff. | 14:43 |
| ScottK | https://launchpad.net/builders is a private page now? | 14:45 |
| dobey | ScottK: there's apparently an issue when one of the builders is building a private package it causes the /builders view to crash | 14:45 |
| wgrant | Specifically, building a private build of a public source in a private PPA owned by a private team that you cannot see | 14:46 |
| ScottK | Lovely. | 14:46 |
| dobey | but yeah, i guess that wasn't fixed :-/ | 14:49 |
| JoseeAntonioR | If any of you is interested, and can't find me on IRC, you can send an email to joseeantonior AT ubuntu DOT com | 15:15 |
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| ahasenack | hi guys, launchpad is giving me an oops when I try to view a merge proposal | 20:10 |
| ahasenack | OOPS-1825e1c0b0bfc3ba6382c997678977e2 | 20:10 |
| ubot5 | https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1825e1c0b0bfc3ba6382c997678977e2 | 20:10 |
| ahasenack | I viewed it quite a few times already today, but now it's oopsing | 20:10 |
| ahasenack | is this about the DC move? | 20:11 |
| ahasenack | all the merge proposals from this project are failing like that it seems, I just tried a few other random ones | 20:12 |
| ahasenack | all merge proposals listed here: https://code.launchpad.net/landscape-project/+activereviews | 20:13 |
| beuno | ahasenack, already being chased | 20:13 |
| ahasenack | beuno: thanks. This channel is silent, so I wasn't sure | 20:14 |
| beuno | ahasenack, being chased in the internal channel :) | 20:15 |
| dobey | well, as code hosting is scheduled to go down in ~1.5 hrs anyway, not sure how far you'll get in fixing that :) | 20:20 |
| ESphynx | Hmmm what does hide comment do | 20:40 |
| ESphynx | I’ve lost it | 20:40 |
| dobey | it hides the comment | 20:41 |
| dobey | you can only see it on comments which you're allowed to hide | 20:41 |
| ahasenack | beuno: it's back up, thanks | 20:43 |
| ESphynx | dobey: any way I can ‘unhide’ it? | 20:43 |
| ESphynx | ( I clicked by mistake ) | 20:43 |
| dobey | ESphynx: there should be an un-hide link on the comment you hid | 20:44 |
| ESphynx | I don’t see it at all anymore :S | 20:44 |
| dobey | the comment either? | 20:45 |
| ESphynx | nope | 20:45 |
| dobey | are you not logged in any more? | 20:45 |
| ESphynx | still logged in | 20:45 |
| ESphynx | and going to the comment URL says you’ve lost somethign? | 20:45 |
| dobey | what's the comment url? | 20:45 |
| ESphynx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/394998/comments/3 | 20:45 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 394998 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] ecere-sdk -- cross-platform developer toolkit" [Wishlist,In progress] | 20:45 |
| ESphynx | This page does not exist, or you may not have permission to see it | 20:45 |
| dobey | there | 20:46 |
| ESphynx | thanks. what was it? | 20:46 |
| dobey | it's unhidden | 20:46 |
| dobey | i don't know why you couldn't see it | 20:46 |
| ESphynx | why didn’t I have persmission? (i wrote the comment?) | 20:46 |
| dobey | maybe a bug in lp | 20:46 |
| dobey | or maybe a side effect of current transition of hardware stuffs | 20:46 |
| ESphynx | ah yeah | 21:12 |
| dash | I'm getting 'ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host' when trying to push to launchpad. is this service down currently? | 23:31 |
| wgrant | dash: see /topic | 23:32 |
| dash | oh, looks like it :) http://identi.ca/notice/96123490 | 23:32 |
| wgrant | we're moving it to another DC now | 23:32 |
| dash | wgrant: Good luck. Hope it goes well :) | 23:32 |
| apw | wgrant, i assume the lack of jobs scheduling onto active buildds is known? | 23:32 |
| wgrant | apw: For private PPAs, yes. | 23:32 |
| wgrant | apw: Private PPAs need the source published before they can build, and the publisher is currently disabled as we're reattaching SAN volumes and stuff onto the new machine | 23:33 |
| apw | wgrant, no for the main buildds | 23:33 |
| wgrant | Hm, that should be working. | 23:33 |
| wgrant | apw: Do you have a link to a bad build? | 23:33 |
| wgrant | It's possible that the builders have gone crazy again | 23:33 |
| apw | wgrant, i am looking at the powerpc queue which is still full, and two empty powerpc builders | 23:34 |
| wgrant | Yeah, those two have been problem children over the last few hours | 23:35 |
| apw | wgrant, armhf appears to have one builder which isn't pulling jobs either | 23:35 |
| wgrant | I'll get someone to look at them once we've finished migrating the current set of hosts | 23:35 |
| apw | wgrant, thanks | 23:35 |
| wgrant | 'cause we're currently moving three very large datasets | 23:35 |
| george_e | I was about to say something about pushing to a branch but I just saw the notice :) | 23:40 |
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