[00:55]  * h6w is thinking about moving some projects from an svn repos.
[00:56] <h6w> I like github's interface, but I also like launchpad's bug management.
[00:57] <h6w> Particularly, my two concerns with lp are (1) the ease of forking, and (2) getting a good visual of the current state of the branches.
[00:58] <h6w> Is there anyone around who has experience with both?
[00:58] <StevenK> The ease of forking? bzr branch lp:project ; <hack> ; bzr commit ; bzr push lp:~name/project/a-new-feature
[00:58] <StevenK> You do not need a server side 'fork' button
[01:00] <h6w> Well, normally I'd agree with you, but there's a psychological "You don't have to learn bzr to work on this project." which draws people in.
[01:00] <StevenK> h6w: You know svn, you can treat bzr like it
[01:02] <h6w> Yes, *I* know this, but many of the people who get interested in our code like coding but not version control.  I want to treat these with kid gloves.
[01:02] <dobey> nobody *likes* version control
[01:02] <StevenK> h6w: It pretty much is like what I said, bzr branch lp:project, etc
[01:02] <h6w> I have one person in particular who took code out of the repos, worked on it for a year, and then argued that he couldn't commit because the updates were too different.
[01:03] <h6w> Yeah.  Maybe I'm asking too much.
[01:03] <dobey> h6w: no version control system is going to solve that problem for any active projects
[01:03] <dobey> if you maintain a fork for a year that isn't up to date with trunk; you're going to have problems regardless of the vcs
[01:04] <h6w> Well, at least with github I can say "Here's your own fork, trash it, and I'll sort out the differences in a separate fork before merging back in.
[01:04] <dobey> and you can do that on lp
[01:04] <h6w> True, but not as easy visually.
[01:05] <h6w> I get diff counts and analysis all through the web UI for free.  Can I do that with bzr?
[01:06] <StevenK> h6w: Launchpad does 'Merge proposals' rather than pull requests. Here is an example https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/no-more-add-bug-supervisor/+merge/119818
[01:06] <dobey> github shoving pretty colors on top of 'diff' has nothing to do with bzr or git
[01:06] <dobey> and i have no idea what you mean by 'analysis'
[01:07] <lifeless> h6w: show us something you're missing on LP on github, we'll see if there is a place on LP you missed it.
[01:07] <h6w> By analysis, I mean merge proposals that follow the changes.
[01:07] <h6w> Sorry, I've just been working on a project on github temporarily.  Now I feel spoilt, even if it's just pretty colors and layout.
[01:08] <dobey> as you see on the link StevenK posted, merge proposals have colored diffs, yes
[01:08] <dobey> and they update when the branch being prooposed changes
[01:12] <h6w> Awesome.  That must be a new feature.  (I haven't looked at this seriously in a couple of years.)
[01:12] <h6w> Also, this looks like what I'm suggesting. https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/408097
[01:13] <wgrant> h6w: Merge proposals have had those features for about 4 years, actually.
[01:14] <h6w> Is there a bug for "Branch information could be more dynamic and include user information on contributions" like github's little branch tree?
[01:15] <dobey> branch info dose include user info
[01:15] <dobey> does
[01:16] <h6w> Hmmm, ok.  I'm going to have to give this a proper play.   At present it looks like a statically-generated image with little actual information (when compared against github's interface).
[01:16] <dobey> oh you mean the silly little line graph thing?
[01:18] <h6w> Yes.  Very silly but gives me a nice overall view, and allows me to go back years to see when someone looked at various things, contributions (which I know is quite mythical), and other stuff.
[01:18] <h6w> Currently, for example, I'm trying to argue to a non-coding manager that we shouldn't pander to someone who hasn't commit in almost a year.
[01:19] <dobey> launchpad doesn't have such a thing on each branch
[01:19] <dobey> the one on launchpad just shows milestones and series branchse
[01:19] <dobey> branches
[01:19] <h6w> Yeah.  What would that be called? (So I can search for it in lp bugs)
[01:19] <dobey> for each branch, you can however, go through the entire history on the web if you want in the code browser
[01:20] <dobey> i don't know. scrolling horizontally in a tiny little area on a web page is like the most useless thing ever, really :)
[01:20] <dobey> but there are local tools you can run inside a branch to get a huge pretty graph if you really want one, and the code browser on launchpad works pretty well, and lets you see diffs and such
[01:21] <h6w> Personal preference.  I actually found myself looking at it on a daily basis since there were a dozen or so people actively working on the project in a single day, I could look at their changes easily and determine if I wanted to merge what they'd done recently.
[03:12] <rmk> How deep is the build backlog?  Have a paid account and we're at 5 hours right now.
[06:07] <czajkowski> rmk: can you let me know which project please
[06:07] <rmk> metacloud
[06:08] <czajkowski> and which ppa ?
[06:08] <rmk> Both stable and devel
[06:09] <czajkowski> https://launchpad.net/~metacloud/+archive/devel  and https://launchpad.net/~metacloud/+archive/stable
[06:09] <rmk> correct
[06:09] <czajkowski> ok let me see if I can do something
[06:09] <rmk> great thank you
[06:09] <czajkowski> np
[06:10] <czajkowski> sorry am just awake
[06:11] <czajkowski> rmk: we're just looking into it, asyou can see from our topic our builds are delayed due to a move which hapened yesterday
[06:11] <czajkowski> sorry for the inconvience.
[06:11] <czajkowski> we did put this on the blog - blog.launchpad.net
[06:11] <czajkowski> and also on twitter and indent.ica under launchpadstatus
[06:12] <wgrant> It's taking a little longer than expected :(
[06:13] <wgrant> But let me get you some builders...
[06:14] <rmk> no problem, definitely understand
[06:14] <rmk> while I've got you guys, I've always been curious what makes publishing take ~15-20 minutes at times?
[06:15] <StevenK> If a large package is uploaded to a PPA or a large number of PPAs changed, usually
[06:16] <StevenK> Sometimes the machine is just bogged down with an awful lot of requests
[06:16] <wgrant> rmk: Sometimes the publishing machinery gets a bit overloaded when there's a lot of packages flying around. We're moving it to a new much bigger machine tomorrow (as part of this series of DC moves), which will hopefully bring it back to every 5 minutes consistently
[06:16] <rmk> awesome
[06:17] <wgrant> Or at least better than it is now :)
[06:17] <rmk> It wasn't too bad but faster is always better
[06:17] <wgrant> Definitely.
[06:19] <rmk> Would you guys mind making another PPA private for us, https://launchpad.net/~metacloud/+archive/staging
[06:20] <wgrant> rmk: Done
[06:20] <rmk> thanks much
[06:21] <czajkowski> rmk: need anything else?
[06:21] <rmk> Can I have a pony?
[06:21] <rmk> :)
[06:21] <czajkowski> only if I can have sleep and that's justnot going to happen any time soon!
[06:21] <rmk> haha, yeah, datacenter moves are always painful
[06:22] <rmk> ran a large systems team for a massive ecomm site for years and we were pretty much always in the middle of a move, I don't envy you guys
[06:22] <wgrant> rmk: I've shifted your devel/stable builds up to next in line
[06:22] <rmk> cheers
[07:58] <codemaniac> where i can reset my launchpad password
[07:58] <codemaniac> any holy man for help ?
[07:59] <czajkowski> codemaniac: https://login.launchpad.net/+forgot_password
[08:00] <codemaniac> czajkowski: thanks
[08:00] <czajkowski> np
[08:00] <codemaniac> but have one issue i have multiple emails there
[08:00] <codemaniac> so cannot confirm theprimary one
[08:01] <codemaniac> can you do an backend update ?
[08:01] <codemaniac> or send reset mail to my email
[08:01] <czajkowski> codemaniac: you'll need to work out which one as we cant go changing peoples settings on them
[08:02] <codemaniac> i understand czajkowski
[08:02] <codemaniac> thanks anyway
[08:02] <codemaniac> got in thanks , with a random guess
[08:51] <pmjdebruijn> hi folks
[08:51] <pmjdebruijn> is there anything going on the the PPAs?
[08:51] <pmjdebruijn> I've got builds queued to the 22th...
[08:51] <pmjdebruijn> https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/darktable-unstable/+build/3728321
[08:52] <pmjdebruijn> while it's no disaster... it's found it a bit peculiar
[08:52] <pmjdebruijn> it says 21th now :s
[08:58] <MCR1> pmjdebruijn: I think there is some scheduled downtime
[08:58] <pmjdebruijn> ah
[08:58] <pmjdebruijn> oh
[08:58] <pmjdebruijn> "Build delays due to hardware move"
[08:58] <pmjdebruijn> it was in the topic
[08:58] <pmjdebruijn> shame on me
[08:59] <MCR1> pmjdebruijn: http://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/launchpad-code-hosting-unavailable-22-00-utc-2012-08-17
[08:59] <pmjdebruijn> yeah
[08:59] <pmjdebruijn> thanks
[10:02] <wgrant> Launchpad's about to go offline for a couple of minutes while we switch to a new DB master.
[11:00] <silverarrow> hi
[11:01] <silverarrow> how is the best way to go about a bug report on gnome player in lubuntu
[11:01] <silverarrow> I have a problem with gnome mplayer, and it is the same on at l east three different computers
[11:02] <silverarrow> when I play anything the windows can go black if I try to resize window, or have full screen view
[11:02] <silverarrow> it is a lubuntu or perhaps debian issue
[11:03] <silverarrow> I a have had the same setup in puppy linux with gnome player and it works fine and is very stable
[11:03] <silverarrow> there is a lubunt channel but they are not very good with bug reports there
[12:09] <danilos> fwiw, it seems build delays have started yesterday already, I expected them to start happening tonight instead :/
[12:12] <wgrant> danilos: http://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/launchpad-downtime-august-16th
[12:12] <wgrant> During this time there will be significantly reduced capacity in the PPA build farm. Interruption starts: 07.00 UTC 16th August 2012
[12:16] <danilos> wgrant, ah, thanks
[12:16] <danilos> I've only seen the next blog entry, ta
[13:35]  * apw doesn't seem to be able to file a simple bug against cloud-init today: OOPS-5095067de5536d061b6e5677ec1b0278
[13:40] <mgz> ...why is that on lp-oops
[13:41] <wgrant> 'cause ubotu's out of date
[13:41] <mgz> but doesn't actually seem to be found on either oops or lp-oops
[13:41] <wgrant> mgz: We probably still have a huge queue from the DB switchover
[13:41] <wgrant> apw: How many times have you retried?
[13:41] <wgrant> We're on a new DB server that has never been a DB server before, so you may be suffering from cold cache
[13:41] <mgz> apw: sorry, you'll have to wait to find out, what method did you use to file?
[13:42] <wgrant> (also, this weekend nothing involving the datacentres is exactly 'simple' :P)
[13:42] <mgz> but you've looked like you're having such fun...
[13:42] <apw> wgrant, about 10 times over two minues
[13:43] <wgrant> Hmm
[13:43] <wgrant> apw: Is this during the dupe search stage, or the actual submission?
[13:43] <apw> wgrant, after i've typed the title and description, so i assume dup search?
[13:43] <wgrant> apw: The description is after dup search
[13:44] <apw> wgrant, shows how much i read :/
[13:44] <wgrant> Heh
[13:58] <wgrant> apw: Any better now? There was a DB load issue for 15-20 minutes around the time you asked.
[13:59] <apw> wgrant, worked that time, thanks
[14:01] <wgrant> apw: Great.
[14:25] <ScottK> It would be cool if Launchpad got itself listed in http://tos-dr.info/ and then linked to it in the TOS.
[14:32] <dobey> ugh, was the /builders page view crashing issue not fixed yet?
[14:36] <silverarrow> anyone clerver with bug launching from ubuntu?
[14:36] <silverarrow> clever*
[14:36] <dobey> bug launching?
[14:36] <silverarrow> sorry bug report
[14:36] <silverarrow> lol
[14:37] <dobey> run "ubuntu-bug package-name" ?
[14:40] <silverarrow> thanks dobey
[14:43] <JoseeAntonioR> Hey, guys! We're having the Ubuntu Developer Week in about two weeks, and I'd like to know who may be willing to help us with a 1-hour session at 1800UTC on August 29 about hosting code in LP with Bazaar, and automated builds, recipes, and all that stuff.
[14:45] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/builders is a private page now?
[14:45] <dobey> ScottK: there's apparently an issue when one of the builders is building a private package it causes the /builders view to crash
[14:46] <wgrant> Specifically, building a private build of a public source in a private PPA owned by a private team that you cannot see
[14:46] <ScottK> Lovely.
[14:49] <dobey> but yeah, i guess that wasn't fixed :-/
[15:15] <JoseeAntonioR> If any of you is interested, and can't find me on IRC, you can send an email to joseeantonior AT ubuntu DOT com
[20:10] <ahasenack> hi guys, launchpad is giving me an oops when I try to view a merge proposal
[20:10] <ahasenack> OOPS-1825e1c0b0bfc3ba6382c997678977e2
[20:10] <ahasenack> I viewed it quite a few times already today, but now it's oopsing
[20:11] <ahasenack> is this about the DC move?
[20:12] <ahasenack> all the merge proposals from this project are failing like that it seems, I just tried a few other random ones
[20:13] <ahasenack> all merge proposals listed here: https://code.launchpad.net/landscape-project/+activereviews
[20:13] <beuno> ahasenack, already being chased
[20:14] <ahasenack> beuno: thanks. This channel is silent, so I wasn't sure
[20:15] <beuno> ahasenack, being chased in the internal channel  :)
[20:20] <dobey> well, as code hosting is scheduled to go down in ~1.5 hrs anyway, not sure how far you'll get in fixing that :)
[20:40] <ESphynx> Hmmm what does hide comment do
[20:40] <ESphynx> I’ve lost it
[20:41] <dobey> it hides the comment
[20:41] <dobey> you can only see it on comments which you're allowed to hide
[20:43] <ahasenack> beuno: it's back up, thanks
[20:43] <ESphynx> dobey: any way I can ‘unhide’ it?
[20:43] <ESphynx> ( I clicked by mistake )
[20:44] <dobey> ESphynx: there should be an un-hide link on the comment you hid
[20:44] <ESphynx> I don’t see it at all anymore :S
[20:45] <dobey> the comment either?
[20:45] <ESphynx> nope
[20:45] <dobey> are you not logged in any more?
[20:45] <ESphynx> still logged in
[20:45] <ESphynx> and going to the comment URL says you’ve lost somethign?
[20:45] <dobey> what's the comment url?
[20:45] <ESphynx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/394998/comments/3
[20:45] <ESphynx> This page does not exist, or you may not have permission to see it
[20:46] <dobey> there
[20:46] <ESphynx> thanks. what was it?
[20:46] <dobey> it's unhidden
[20:46] <dobey> i don't know why you couldn't see it
[20:46] <ESphynx> why didn’t I have persmission? (i wrote the comment?)
[20:46] <dobey> maybe a bug in lp
[20:46] <dobey> or maybe a side effect of current transition of hardware stuffs
[21:12] <ESphynx> ah yeah
[23:31] <dash> I'm getting 'ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host' when trying to push to launchpad. is this service down currently?
[23:32] <wgrant> dash: see /topic
[23:32] <dash> oh, looks like it :) http://identi.ca/notice/96123490
[23:32] <wgrant> we're moving it to another DC now
[23:32] <dash> wgrant: Good luck. Hope it goes well :)
[23:32] <apw> wgrant, i assume the lack of jobs scheduling onto active buildds is known?
[23:32] <wgrant> apw: For private PPAs, yes.
[23:33] <wgrant> apw: Private PPAs need the source published before they can build, and the publisher is currently disabled as we're reattaching SAN volumes and stuff onto the new machine
[23:33] <apw> wgrant, no for the main buildds
[23:33] <wgrant> Hm, that should be working.
[23:33] <wgrant> apw: Do you have a link to a bad build?
[23:33] <wgrant> It's possible that the builders have gone crazy again
[23:34] <apw> wgrant, i am looking at the powerpc queue which is still full, and two empty powerpc builders
[23:35] <wgrant> Yeah, those two have been problem children over the last few hours
[23:35] <apw> wgrant, armhf appears to have one builder which isn't pulling jobs either
[23:35] <wgrant> I'll get someone to look at them once we've finished migrating the current set of hosts
[23:35] <apw> wgrant, thanks
[23:35] <wgrant> 'cause we're currently moving three very large datasets
[23:40] <george_e> I was about to say something about pushing to a branch but I just saw the notice :)