[00:55] * h6w is thinking about moving some projects from an svn repos. [00:56] I like github's interface, but I also like launchpad's bug management. [00:57] Particularly, my two concerns with lp are (1) the ease of forking, and (2) getting a good visual of the current state of the branches. [00:58] Is there anyone around who has experience with both? [00:58] The ease of forking? bzr branch lp:project ; ; bzr commit ; bzr push lp:~name/project/a-new-feature [00:58] You do not need a server side 'fork' button [01:00] Well, normally I'd agree with you, but there's a psychological "You don't have to learn bzr to work on this project." which draws people in. [01:00] h6w: You know svn, you can treat bzr like it [01:02] Yes, *I* know this, but many of the people who get interested in our code like coding but not version control. I want to treat these with kid gloves. [01:02] nobody *likes* version control [01:02] h6w: It pretty much is like what I said, bzr branch lp:project, etc [01:02] I have one person in particular who took code out of the repos, worked on it for a year, and then argued that he couldn't commit because the updates were too different. [01:03] Yeah. Maybe I'm asking too much. [01:03] h6w: no version control system is going to solve that problem for any active projects [01:03] if you maintain a fork for a year that isn't up to date with trunk; you're going to have problems regardless of the vcs [01:04] Well, at least with github I can say "Here's your own fork, trash it, and I'll sort out the differences in a separate fork before merging back in. [01:04] and you can do that on lp [01:04] True, but not as easy visually. [01:05] I get diff counts and analysis all through the web UI for free. Can I do that with bzr? [01:06] h6w: Launchpad does 'Merge proposals' rather than pull requests. Here is an example https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/no-more-add-bug-supervisor/+merge/119818 [01:06] Ubuntu bug 119818 in knetworkmanager (Ubuntu) "wpa does not work with networkmanager, WEP works" [Undecided,Invalid] [01:06] github shoving pretty colors on top of 'diff' has nothing to do with bzr or git [01:06] and i have no idea what you mean by 'analysis' [01:07] h6w: show us something you're missing on LP on github, we'll see if there is a place on LP you missed it. [01:07] By analysis, I mean merge proposals that follow the changes. [01:07] Sorry, I've just been working on a project on github temporarily. Now I feel spoilt, even if it's just pretty colors and layout. [01:08] as you see on the link StevenK posted, merge proposals have colored diffs, yes [01:08] and they update when the branch being prooposed changes [01:12] Awesome. That must be a new feature. (I haven't looked at this seriously in a couple of years.) [01:12] Also, this looks like what I'm suggesting. https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/408097 [01:12] Ubuntu bug 408097 in Launchpad itself "Making a new branch of an existing project on Launchpad is not obvious, requires having bzr installed and copying (some) branch data around" [Low,Triaged] [01:13] h6w: Merge proposals have had those features for about 4 years, actually. [01:14] Is there a bug for "Branch information could be more dynamic and include user information on contributions" like github's little branch tree? [01:15] branch info dose include user info [01:15] does [01:16] Hmmm, ok. I'm going to have to give this a proper play. At present it looks like a statically-generated image with little actual information (when compared against github's interface). [01:16] oh you mean the silly little line graph thing? [01:18] Yes. Very silly but gives me a nice overall view, and allows me to go back years to see when someone looked at various things, contributions (which I know is quite mythical), and other stuff. [01:18] Currently, for example, I'm trying to argue to a non-coding manager that we shouldn't pander to someone who hasn't commit in almost a year. [01:19] launchpad doesn't have such a thing on each branch [01:19] the one on launchpad just shows milestones and series branchse [01:19] branches [01:19] Yeah. What would that be called? (So I can search for it in lp bugs) [01:19] for each branch, you can however, go through the entire history on the web if you want in the code browser [01:20] i don't know. scrolling horizontally in a tiny little area on a web page is like the most useless thing ever, really :) [01:20] but there are local tools you can run inside a branch to get a huge pretty graph if you really want one, and the code browser on launchpad works pretty well, and lets you see diffs and such [01:21] Personal preference. I actually found myself looking at it on a daily basis since there were a dozen or so people actively working on the project in a single day, I could look at their changes easily and determine if I wanted to merge what they'd done recently. === pi-rho is now known as pi-rho|away [03:12] How deep is the build backlog? Have a paid account and we're at 5 hours right now. === jtv1 is now known as jtv [06:07] rmk: can you let me know which project please [06:07] metacloud [06:08] and which ppa ? [06:08] Both stable and devel [06:09] https://launchpad.net/~metacloud/+archive/devel and https://launchpad.net/~metacloud/+archive/stable [06:09] correct [06:09] ok let me see if I can do something [06:09] great thank you [06:09] np [06:10] sorry am just awake [06:11] rmk: we're just looking into it, asyou can see from our topic our builds are delayed due to a move which hapened yesterday [06:11] sorry for the inconvience. [06:11] we did put this on the blog - blog.launchpad.net [06:11] and also on twitter and indent.ica under launchpadstatus [06:12] It's taking a little longer than expected :( [06:13] But let me get you some builders... === czajkowski changed the topic of #launchpad to: Build delays due to hardware move | Help contact: czajkowski| Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad [06:14] no problem, definitely understand [06:14] while I've got you guys, I've always been curious what makes publishing take ~15-20 minutes at times? [06:15] If a large package is uploaded to a PPA or a large number of PPAs changed, usually [06:16] Sometimes the machine is just bogged down with an awful lot of requests [06:16] rmk: Sometimes the publishing machinery gets a bit overloaded when there's a lot of packages flying around. We're moving it to a new much bigger machine tomorrow (as part of this series of DC moves), which will hopefully bring it back to every 5 minutes consistently [06:16] awesome [06:17] Or at least better than it is now :) [06:17] It wasn't too bad but faster is always better [06:17] Definitely. [06:19] Would you guys mind making another PPA private for us, https://launchpad.net/~metacloud/+archive/staging [06:20] rmk: Done [06:20] thanks much [06:21] rmk: need anything else? [06:21] Can I have a pony? [06:21] :) [06:21] only if I can have sleep and that's justnot going to happen any time soon! [06:21] haha, yeah, datacenter moves are always painful [06:22] ran a large systems team for a massive ecomm site for years and we were pretty much always in the middle of a move, I don't envy you guys [06:22] rmk: I've shifted your devel/stable builds up to next in line [06:22] cheers [07:58] where i can reset my launchpad password [07:58] any holy man for help ? [07:59] codemaniac: https://login.launchpad.net/+forgot_password [08:00] czajkowski: thanks [08:00] np [08:00] but have one issue i have multiple emails there [08:00] so cannot confirm theprimary one [08:01] can you do an backend update ? [08:01] or send reset mail to my email [08:01] codemaniac: you'll need to work out which one as we cant go changing peoples settings on them [08:02] i understand czajkowski [08:02] thanks anyway [08:02] got in thanks , with a random guess [08:51] hi folks [08:51] is there anything going on the the PPAs? [08:51] I've got builds queued to the 22th... [08:51] https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/darktable-unstable/+build/3728321 [08:52] while it's no disaster... it's found it a bit peculiar [08:52] it says 21th now :s [08:58] pmjdebruijn: I think there is some scheduled downtime [08:58] ah [08:58] oh [08:58] "Build delays due to hardware move" [08:58] it was in the topic [08:58] shame on me [08:59] pmjdebruijn: http://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/launchpad-code-hosting-unavailable-22-00-utc-2012-08-17 [08:59] yeah [08:59] thanks === mrevell_ is now known as mrevell [10:02] Launchpad's about to go offline for a couple of minutes while we switch to a new DB master. === codemaniac is now known as fego === fego is now known as cypher === cypher is now known as fego === fego is now known as codemaniac === codemaniac is now known as cypher === cypher is now known as arijit === arijit is now known as codemaniac [11:00] hi [11:01] how is the best way to go about a bug report on gnome player in lubuntu [11:01] I have a problem with gnome mplayer, and it is the same on at l east three different computers [11:02] when I play anything the windows can go black if I try to resize window, or have full screen view [11:02] it is a lubuntu or perhaps debian issue [11:03] I a have had the same setup in puppy linux with gnome player and it works fine and is very stable [11:03] there is a lubunt channel but they are not very good with bug reports there === wgrant changed the topic of #launchpad to: Codehosting & PPA uploads unavailable from 22:00UTC | Build delays due to hardware move | Help contact: - | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad === wgrant changed the topic of #launchpad to: Codehosting & PPA uploads unavailable 22:00-02:00 UTC, build delays due to hardware move | Help contact: - | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad [12:09] fwiw, it seems build delays have started yesterday already, I expected them to start happening tonight instead :/ [12:12] danilos: http://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/launchpad-downtime-august-16th [12:12] During this time there will be significantly reduced capacity in the PPA build farm. Interruption starts: 07.00 UTC 16th August 2012 [12:16] wgrant, ah, thanks [12:16] I've only seen the next blog entry, ta [13:35] * apw doesn't seem to be able to file a simple bug against cloud-init today: OOPS-5095067de5536d061b6e5677ec1b0278 [13:35] https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=5095067de5536d061b6e5677ec1b0278 [13:40] ...why is that on lp-oops [13:41] 'cause ubotu's out of date [13:41] but doesn't actually seem to be found on either oops or lp-oops [13:41] mgz: We probably still have a huge queue from the DB switchover [13:41] apw: How many times have you retried? [13:41] We're on a new DB server that has never been a DB server before, so you may be suffering from cold cache [13:41] apw: sorry, you'll have to wait to find out, what method did you use to file? [13:42] (also, this weekend nothing involving the datacentres is exactly 'simple' :P) [13:42] but you've looked like you're having such fun... [13:42] wgrant, about 10 times over two minues [13:43] Hmm [13:43] apw: Is this during the dupe search stage, or the actual submission? [13:43] wgrant, after i've typed the title and description, so i assume dup search? [13:43] apw: The description is after dup search [13:44] wgrant, shows how much i read :/ [13:44] Heh [13:58] apw: Any better now? There was a DB load issue for 15-20 minutes around the time you asked. [13:59] wgrant, worked that time, thanks [14:01] apw: Great. [14:25] It would be cool if Launchpad got itself listed in http://tos-dr.info/ and then linked to it in the TOS. [14:32] ugh, was the /builders page view crashing issue not fixed yet? [14:36] anyone clerver with bug launching from ubuntu? [14:36] clever* [14:36] bug launching? [14:36] sorry bug report [14:36] lol [14:37] run "ubuntu-bug package-name" ? [14:40] thanks dobey [14:43] Hey, guys! We're having the Ubuntu Developer Week in about two weeks, and I'd like to know who may be willing to help us with a 1-hour session at 1800UTC on August 29 about hosting code in LP with Bazaar, and automated builds, recipes, and all that stuff. [14:45] https://launchpad.net/builders is a private page now? [14:45] ScottK: there's apparently an issue when one of the builders is building a private package it causes the /builders view to crash [14:46] Specifically, building a private build of a public source in a private PPA owned by a private team that you cannot see [14:46] Lovely. [14:49] but yeah, i guess that wasn't fixed :-/ [15:15] If any of you is interested, and can't find me on IRC, you can send an email to joseeantonior AT ubuntu DOT com === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara === Guest86753 is now known as dpb___ === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck === dds_ is now known as dds [20:10] hi guys, launchpad is giving me an oops when I try to view a merge proposal [20:10] OOPS-1825e1c0b0bfc3ba6382c997678977e2 [20:10] https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1825e1c0b0bfc3ba6382c997678977e2 [20:10] I viewed it quite a few times already today, but now it's oopsing [20:11] is this about the DC move? [20:12] all the merge proposals from this project are failing like that it seems, I just tried a few other random ones [20:13] all merge proposals listed here: https://code.launchpad.net/landscape-project/+activereviews [20:13] ahasenack, already being chased [20:14] beuno: thanks. This channel is silent, so I wasn't sure [20:15] ahasenack, being chased in the internal channel :) [20:20] well, as code hosting is scheduled to go down in ~1.5 hrs anyway, not sure how far you'll get in fixing that :) [20:40] Hmmm what does hide comment do [20:40] I’ve lost it [20:41] it hides the comment [20:41] you can only see it on comments which you're allowed to hide [20:43] beuno: it's back up, thanks [20:43] dobey: any way I can ‘unhide’ it? [20:43] ( I clicked by mistake ) [20:44] ESphynx: there should be an un-hide link on the comment you hid [20:44] I don’t see it at all anymore :S [20:45] the comment either? [20:45] nope [20:45] are you not logged in any more? [20:45] still logged in [20:45] and going to the comment URL says you’ve lost somethign? [20:45] what's the comment url? [20:45] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/394998/comments/3 [20:45] Ubuntu bug 394998 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] ecere-sdk -- cross-platform developer toolkit" [Wishlist,In progress] [20:45] This page does not exist, or you may not have permission to see it [20:46] there [20:46] thanks. what was it? [20:46] it's unhidden [20:46] i don't know why you couldn't see it [20:46] why didn’t I have persmission? (i wrote the comment?) [20:46] maybe a bug in lp [20:46] or maybe a side effect of current transition of hardware stuffs [21:12] ah yeah [23:31] I'm getting 'ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host' when trying to push to launchpad. is this service down currently? [23:32] dash: see /topic [23:32] oh, looks like it :) http://identi.ca/notice/96123490 [23:32] we're moving it to another DC now [23:32] wgrant: Good luck. Hope it goes well :) [23:32] wgrant, i assume the lack of jobs scheduling onto active buildds is known? [23:32] apw: For private PPAs, yes. [23:33] apw: Private PPAs need the source published before they can build, and the publisher is currently disabled as we're reattaching SAN volumes and stuff onto the new machine [23:33] wgrant, no for the main buildds [23:33] Hm, that should be working. [23:33] apw: Do you have a link to a bad build? [23:33] It's possible that the builders have gone crazy again [23:34] wgrant, i am looking at the powerpc queue which is still full, and two empty powerpc builders [23:35] Yeah, those two have been problem children over the last few hours [23:35] wgrant, armhf appears to have one builder which isn't pulling jobs either [23:35] I'll get someone to look at them once we've finished migrating the current set of hosts [23:35] wgrant, thanks [23:35] 'cause we're currently moving three very large datasets [23:40] I was about to say something about pushing to a branch but I just saw the notice :)