[03:00] <my_pen> lubuntu runs as a fully installed o/s on a usb flash drive
[04:52] <kanliot> someone please confirm my bug in quantal: 1037356
[04:52] <kanliot> bug 1037356
[06:56] <amethyst1937> hey
[06:56] <amethyst1937> i have a pII 350 mhz with 390MB RAM and 40Gb HDD !
[06:57] <amethyst1937> Will this PC run lubuntu ?
[06:58] <bioterror> you have more ram than most of the askers ;)
[06:58] <bioterror> give it a try ;)
[07:00] <amethyst1937> great ! thnx man
[07:00] <bioterror> 12.04 comes without PAE extension in kernel, so should be quite well covered
[07:04] <amethyst1937> what is PAS extension ?
[07:04] <amethyst1937> *PAE
[07:04] <bioterror> physical address extension or what was it
[07:05] <bioterror> it enables more than 3.5GB of RAM to use on 32bit systems
[07:05] <bioterror> and older CPU's doesnt have a support for it, like my 1.7GHz Pentium M
[07:08] <amethyst1937> i see
[07:08] <amethyst1937> it is my 1st try on a linux distro
[07:08] <bioterror> I cannot test the coming 12.10 lubuntu on my lappy :(
[07:09] <amethyst1937> why this ?
[07:09] <amethyst1937> because of PAE ?
[07:09] <kanliot> yeah
[07:09] <kanliot> but go ahead and try 12.04
[07:10] <amethyst1937> why they did that ?
[07:10] <kanliot> you should burn both the desktop and alternate isos
[07:10] <kanliot> in case the desktop doesn't work
[07:10] <amethyst1937> so no New PCs can test it?
[07:10] <kanliot> kernel devs got tired of maintaining so many kernels
[07:10] <amethyst1937> now i DL the desktop iso
[07:10] <kanliot> right bio?
[07:10] <amethyst1937> ok ui understand
[07:10] <kanliot> get the alternate too
[07:11] <kanliot> save you time
[07:11] <amethyst1937> on a 2mbps adsl ! i ll try
[07:12] <kanliot> bah 2mpbs is fine
[07:12] <amethyst1937> hehe
[07:12] <amethyst1937> so what about the installation options ?
[07:12] <kanliot> easy on desktop
[07:12] <amethyst1937> the format of hdd ?
[07:12] <kanliot> select replace
[07:12] <kanliot> all done
[07:12] <amethyst1937> now i have win xp on that machione
[07:13] <kanliot> well dual booting is twice as hard
[07:13] <kanliot> but you can do it
[07:14] <amethyst1937> no no
[07:14] <amethyst1937> i dont want win xp
[07:14] <amethyst1937> only the lubuntu
[07:14] <amethyst1937> :)
[07:15] <amethyst1937> will the installation format the hdd ?
[07:15] <kanliot> you can also try lubuntu by booting the desktop cd
[07:15] <kanliot> it's all automatic
[07:16] <kanliot> are you chatting on the old pc now?
[07:21] <amethyst1937> no no
[07:21] <amethyst1937> this is another
[07:21] <amethyst1937> next to the old
[07:21] <amethyst1937> so if u are here
[07:21] <amethyst1937> for about. ..
[07:21] <amethyst1937> 32 mins :P
[07:21] <kanliot> are you 75 years old?
[07:22] <amethyst1937> no ! why ?
[07:22] <amethyst1937> aaaa
[07:22] <kanliot> 1937
[07:22] <amethyst1937> coz the  date ?
[07:22] <amethyst1937> no no
[07:22] <amethyst1937> haha
[07:22] <amethyst1937> no way !
[07:22] <kanliot> !lubuntu
[07:23] <kanliot> if i'm not here there's instructions linked above
[07:23] <amethyst1937> ok nice man
[08:09] <sabayonuser> hello guys
[08:10] <sabayonuser> i was using lubunt 12.04 after i updated my whole system my browsing is super slow my download speeds are fine
[08:10] <sabayonuser> am using adsl-pppoe conn
[08:10] <sabayonuser> ny help
[08:10] <kanliot> no idea
[08:10] <sabayonuser> if i boot in2 livecd browsing is normal there
[08:10] <kanliot> dns problem?
[08:11] <sabayonuser> i tried changing dns in sudo nano/etc.resolv.conf
[08:11] <sabayonuser> but if i reboot it deletes google dns what to do
[08:11] <bioterror> that's becouse you get dns from the isp
[08:11] <bioterror> but does that fix the browsing if you use Google DNS?
[08:11] <sabayonuser> my isp did not give me any dns
[08:12] <sabayonuser> i have a dsl connection
[08:12] <sabayonuser> hey this is happening to me in all ubuntu 12.04 based distros after i update my system
[08:12] <sabayonuser> live cd works fine
[08:13] <bioterror> there should be no difference, really
[08:13] <bioterror> does it matter which browser you use?
[08:13] <sabayonuser> idk man i am confused nothing is working browsing is ultra super slow
[08:13] <sabayonuser> i tried firefox chrome opera same
[08:13] <sabayonuser> websites cannot load
[08:13] <bioterror> what kind of error you get?
[08:14] <bioterror> connection times out?
[08:14] <sabayonuser> yaaa
[08:14] <sabayonuser> some time it does
[08:15] <kanliot> could it be your isp?
[08:15] <bioterror> nope
[08:15] <sabayonuser> hey but if i boot live cd browsing is normal again
[08:15] <bioterror> becouse it works with the LiveCD ;)
[08:15] <sabayonuser> how can i blame my isp
[08:16] <sabayonuser> bioterror u r cool man u understand my problem ubuntu irc is just bashing my isp lulz
[08:16] <bioterror> well, if you use sabayon, you must know more than basics ,)
[08:16] <sabayonuser> i think some update is messing this thing but i cannot figure it out
[08:17] <bioterror> sabayonuser, and you use wireless or wired?
[08:17] <sabayonuser> i go do network manager then dsl connection
[08:17] <bioterror> ahhh okay
[08:17] <sabayonuser> wired
[08:18] <sabayonuser> ubuntu irc makes me angry man
[08:18] <kanliot> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9634487&postcount=10
[08:19] <sabayonuser> umm thanks for the link have to check that out
[08:20] <bioterror> I've never really understood these PPPoE connections
[08:20] <bioterror> why they sell those
[08:20] <sabayonuser> hey but i am getting this problem in buntus i have tried fedora speeds are fine
[08:21] <sabayonuser> i connect through network manager only just username and pasword then all is well
[08:21] <sabayonuser> idk why ubuntu gets me into trouble
[08:22] <bioterror> sometimes it does
[08:22] <sabayonuser> ubuntu irc is very bad iwon't go there again
[08:22] <bioterror> I had some problems with my Dell D600, becouse returning from suspend did not work
[08:22] <bioterror> but with sabayon it worked
[08:23] <sabayonuser> :P
[08:23] <bioterror> now there's a fix for it, I think
[08:23] <bioterror> I trashed that laptop on my floor
[08:23] <bioterror> and stomp on it :D
[08:23] <sabayonuser> equo is not that good sabayon needs a good package manager then it will do goo
[08:24] <bioterror> okay
[08:24] <bioterror> what kind of network driver are you using?
[08:24] <sabayonuser> lubuntu is good for giving old pc's good life lol
[08:24] <sabayonuser> how to check the network driver
[08:24] <sabayonuser> r8169
[08:25] <kanliot> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9634487&postcount=10 did you try that
[08:25] <bioterror> sabayonuser, http://superuser.com/questions/104697/slow-pppoe-connection-using-ubuntu-9-10 does this sound familiar?-)
[08:26] <bioterror> kanliot, sabayonuser user is connected directly from the NIC to the wall, if I got it right
[08:26] <sabayonuser> i used to connect through sudo pppoeconf funny now it hangs in 12.04 lol
[08:26] <bioterror> he has no router there
[08:26] <sabayonuser> yea no router
[08:26] <sabayonuser> hey this slow browsing happens after i update the system
[08:26] <sabayonuser> if i don't update everything is normal
[08:27] <bioterror> okay
[08:27] <bioterror> you get a newer kernel
[08:27] <bioterror> and it gets messed up
[08:27] <bioterror> so it must be driver related
[08:27] <bioterror> sabayonuser, lspci |grep Ether
[08:27] <sabayonuser> ummm hey i think i also updated the kernel in fedora 17 but i did not have any problem with browsing
[08:30] <sabayonuser> hey i am in my frnds pc i need to go home and try that from soln :P
[08:30] <bioterror> okay
[08:30] <sabayonuser> forum soln
[08:30] <bioterror> it really must be driver related
[08:30] <bioterror> one thing could be to use older kernel :---)
[08:30] <sabayonuser> nyways thanks for the info guys lubuntu irc is preety cool i came here for first time
[08:30] <sabayonuser> xD
[08:30] <bioterror> you boot older kernel and you see if it works better
[08:31] <sabayonuser> yaa could be driver issue also
[08:31] <bioterror> I'm 100% sure it will get fixed like that
[08:31] <bioterror> if so, then it's a case of launchpad bug raport :D
[08:31] <sabayonuser> thanks again hope 2 ciu both again xD
[08:32] <sabayonuser> kudos :D
[08:32] <bioterror> things are really upside down if you dont see me here
[08:32] <sabayonuser> ubuntu irc sucks
[08:32] <bioterror> yes and no
[08:32] <bioterror> too much people, too many problems
[08:32] <sabayonuser> hahaha
[08:33] <bioterror> hard to follow and it disturbs things
[08:33] <sabayonuser> idk where is canonical heading
[08:33] <bioterror> their own mysterious paths
[08:33] <bioterror> mostly towards mobile phones :G
[08:33] <sabayonuser> unity has improved but the hardware requireents for it are insane
[08:34] <bioterror> I have no glue, I once booted into regular ubuntu when I tested my HTPC's sound card if it was broken if I was really dumb
[08:34] <bioterror> I've only once touched unity
[08:34] <sabayonuser> i was using arch linux they also took some stupid decisions and messed it up argh linux makes me sad sometimes
[08:35] <bioterror> :D
[08:35] <bioterror> say no more, my wife's laptop, my desktop and my htpc are arch's
[08:35] <bioterror> and also my parents in laws desktop is arch
[08:35] <sabayonuser> i also tried debian live but they do not ship pppoeconf package by default argh
[08:36] <bioterror> I dont now if I've dig my own grave with all those installations when the systemd hits :D
[08:36] <sabayonuser> nope iwon't go back to arch again
[08:36] <sabayonuser> too many changes is not good for my old pc :P
[08:37] <sabayonuser> opensuse 12.2 will be a very good release in september i tested their rc2 it is awesome
[08:38] <sabayonuser> 2012 surprise - fedora 17 i was amazed by this fedora releas i have had no crash lol
[08:39] <sabayonuser> http://homedistro.com/ check this site lubuntu is no.1 distro in this site xD
[08:39] <bioterror> some of our users have moved to fedora
[08:39] <sabayonuser> http://homedistro.com/
[08:39] <sabayonuser> xD
[08:41] <bioterror> homedistro site is into the LXDE
[08:41] <sabayonuser> hehe
[08:42] <sabayonuser> i am done with gnome kde so now i only try lxde and xfce sometimes i mess with awesome wm and openbox lulz
[08:42] <bioterror> Mate is quite nice
[08:42] <sabayonuser> aaah not for me
[08:42] <sabayonuser> mate will die soon
[08:42] <bioterror> it will not ;)
[08:42] <sabayonuser> :D
[08:42] <sabayonuser> why need to fork gnome
[08:42] <bioterror> there's a quite strong userbase for it
[08:42] <bioterror> gnome 2
[08:43] <sabayonuser> hey fuduntu still uses gnome 2 with compiz eh
[08:43] <sabayonuser> if u want gnome 2 try that distro its preety cool
[08:43] <sabayonuser> gnome 2 is history
[08:43] <sabayonuser> :P
[08:44] <sabayonuser> i don't like mate tried it aah not for me
[08:44] <sabayonuser> xfce > mate :D
[08:44] <bioterror> running on my lappy Salix OS 13.37 with Mate, and I'm quite satisfied
[08:44] <bioterror> I've noticed that I use it now more than my Windows 7 work laptop at home when I'm not in a need of battery
[08:45] <sabayonuser> yaaa salix that slackware based distro xD
[08:45] <bioterror> but all this is offtopic, we should move to #lubuntu-offtopic as this is a channel dedicated for problem solving
[08:45] <sabayonuser> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-moXUALZtw
[08:45] <sabayonuser> check this funny video lol
[08:46] <bioterror> I've seen too many Der Untergang videos
[08:46] <sabayonuser> hehe
[09:16] <amethyst1937> hey people
[09:18] <amethyst1937> i am installing lubuntu and at the time of copying files about half of the installer my screen is black but i can see the rounded loading circle cursor moving ! should i restart the proccess ?
[09:23] <lamogo> amethyst1937 is your hard drive light blinking?
[09:23] <amethyst1937> nope
[09:23] <amethyst1937> only the cursor on the screen loading
[09:24] <lamogo> Does it happen every time you try to install?
[09:24] <amethyst1937> 1st time i try
[09:24] <amethyst1937> should i begin again from start ?
[09:25] <lamogo> are you booted into a live session?
[09:25] <amethyst1937> nope i selected install from the boot menu
[09:29] <lamogo> It happened to me last time I installed Lubuntu but it was a custom Live CD I made. I was at a live-cd desktop session and I ran a df command and noticed it was still transferring data so I left it alone. Not sure if you wanna wait around or just try again.
[09:29] <amethyst1937> i just reseted the PC
[09:29] <amethyst1937> and now i selected to try first the lubuntu
[09:30] <amethyst1937> and im gonna install it from the session
[09:31] <lamogo> ok
[09:31] <lamogo> Hope it works this time around
[09:32] <amethyst1937> lets see
[09:32] <amethyst1937> its an PII 350 mhz and 390MB RAM
[09:32] <amethyst1937> lets see :D
[09:44] <lamogo> wow that's just about the minimum requirements. It may be very slow in live-cd because of the limited RAM. I think there is a alternative install CD for such an application as that.
[09:44] <lamogo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/release/lubuntu-12.04-alternate-i386.iso
[09:50] <amethyst1937> i see
[09:50] <amethyst1937> i am downloding it now
[09:51] <amethyst1937> ill try oneemore time with the desktop and then i ll try the alternate iso
[09:58] <lamogo> The alternate install cd will not have any form of desktop environment or mouse use I believe. You'll have to navigate with the tab key and use the enter key to to select ok, and spacebar to select options on the menus.
[09:58] <silverarrow> amethyst1937, on what kind of specs?
[09:59] <lamogo> amethyst1937: its an PII 350 mhz and 390MB RAM
[09:59] <silverarrow> it might just be done
[09:59] <amethyst1937> i am again at the point where it copies files (and shows the slideshow)
[09:59] <lamogo> is it still copying files?
[10:00] <silverarrow> just stick with it, it takes ages on 350mhz, like 40 mintues
[10:00] <amethyst1937> and again the hdd stopped working ( i dont hear noise ) and the window with the progress deissapearres
[10:00] <lamogo> can you bring up a terminal?
[10:00] <amethyst1937> yes i can
[10:00] <silverarrow> I see, there should be noise i suppose
[10:00] <amethyst1937> tell me
[10:00] <lamogo> try df -h
[10:00] <amethyst1937> just a min
[10:01] <lamogo> and wait a few minutes, then run it again and see if data is filling your harddrive
[10:01] <silverarrow> how large is the hard drive?
[10:02] <amethyst1937> 40 GB
[10:02] <silverarrow> more than plenty
[10:02] <amethyst1937> yesss
[10:02] <amethyst1937> i opened lxterminal
[10:03] <amethyst1937> i typed df -h and a lot of info appeared
[10:03] <silverarrow> there is something up with gnome mplayer and lubuntu
[10:03] <amethyst1937> what do u mean ?
[10:03] <lamogo> The first entry should be saying mounted on /
[10:04] <amethyst1937> yes
[10:04] <lamogo> to left of the slash is a percentage what does it say?
[10:04] <silverarrow> it is all stable in puppy linux, but in lubuntu picture goes black, frame and sizing goes unstable
[10:04] <silverarrow> it is a lubuntu issue, not gnome mplayer
[10:04] <silverarrow> it needs to bee looked into
[10:04] <amethyst1937> 63 %
[10:05] <lamogo> you can wait a few minutes and run the same command it see if any values changed.
[10:06] <lamogo> Actully check all the values because it may also be putting files in another partition at the moment.
[10:06] <amethyst1937> i clicked again at the "Install lubuntu " icon at the desktop
[10:07] <amethyst1937> and opened again the window from the beggining (language select etc)
[10:07] <silverarrow> how do you make a bug report in lubuntu or mplayer?
[10:07] <silverarrow> in lubuntu on gnome mplayer*
[10:08] <silverarrow> are there ever any devs on the lubuntu channel?
[10:08] <silverarrow> those really clever guys
[10:09] <silverarrow> ;- )
[10:11] <lamogo> silverarrow I found this https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+question/166457
[10:11] <silverarrow> thanks lamogo
[10:11] <lamogo> amethyst1937 can you run df -h again?
[10:12] <amethyst1937> yes gimme a sec
[10:12] <silverarrow> very complicated
[10:13] <silverarrow> there`s been an issue with gnome player for a long time, the same stuff on at least three different computers
[10:13] <amethyst1937> theres no entry for the hdd
[10:13] <amethyst1937>  !
[10:14] <silverarrow> hmm
[10:14] <amethyst1937> tmpfs
[10:14] <lamogo> did you restart the installer?
[10:14] <amethyst1937> yes
[10:14] <lamogo> what is it doing now?
[10:14] <silverarrow> can you boot in live could or some kind of hard drive recovery tool?
[10:14] <silverarrow> sorry, messed up sentence
[10:15] <lamogo> He is in a live cd session
[10:15] <silverarrow> have you access to  disk utility ?
[10:15] <silverarrow> menue-preferences-disk utility
[10:16] <kanliot> amethyst1937, just use the alternate installer
[10:17] <kanliot> ubiquity is buggy with low ram
[10:17] <silverarrow> yes, it does seem like a simpler solution
[10:17] <lamogo> amethst1937 I'm not really not to savy on Lubuntu just use it for my work computer and just watch the chat from time to time to see if I can help. The computer you are trying to install on is really low on resources. I'd suggest using hte alternate installer
[10:18] <silverarrow> lamogo, alternate installer is in terminal  or more like a guided install process still?
[10:18] <silverarrow> terminal can be such a horror with out a good guide
[10:19] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
[10:19] <kanliot> not a horror
[10:20] <silverarrow> remember to make a swap
[10:21] <amethyst1937> hey
[10:21] <amethyst1937> the problem is i am a newbie with linux
[10:21] <kanliot> silverarrow, it has an automatic setup.  no need to worry about swap
[10:21] <amethyst1937> i need help with the partitions and swap etc
[10:21] <amethyst1937> really ?
[10:21] <silverarrow> a good guide is a must
[10:21] <kanliot> yes
[10:22] <kanliot> i just linked a guide
[10:22] <amethyst1937> yes i am reading it right now
[10:22] <silverarrow> amethyst1937, with a bit of luck you will get help and suggestions here along the way
[10:23] <amethyst1937> maybe the problem is with the slideshow at the installer
[10:23] <lamogo> It's not to difficult cause it give option menus to choose just not as pretty.
[10:23] <amethyst1937> now that i have left it at the "where are you " scrteen
[10:23] <silverarrow> kanliot, yes I read it, it looks fine
[10:23] <amethyst1937> the copying files is going further
[10:24] <amethyst1937> i will wait to copy all the files and then procceed with the details and login names etc
[10:24] <silverarrow> amethyst1937,  the install process needs patience on 300 mhz and low ram, lots of patience
[10:24] <silverarrow> like a good walk and a pot of tea
[10:25] <amethyst1937> yes i can wait
[10:25] <amethyst1937> haha here in greece with this heat tea is not good ide
[10:25] <amethyst1937> a
[10:25] <amethyst1937> maybe an orange juice better
[10:25] <amethyst1937> haha
[10:25] <silverarrow> the alternate install is probably a bit quicker then, but in the end you arrive at the same spot
[10:26] <silverarrow> iced tea lol
[10:26] <silverarrow> I`m in norway and we have 20 degrees today
[10:26] <amethyst1937> i am about at the middle of the copy
[10:26] <silverarrow> a bit cloudy
[10:26] <amethyst1937> im in greece and we have 38 today
[10:27] <amethyst1937> a lot of sun !!!
[10:27] <amethyst1937> haha
[10:27] <silverarrow> that never happens ehre
[10:27] <silverarrow> I am by the coast and it buffers any heat, hardly ever reaches 30
[10:27] <silverarrow> once every 30 years perhaps lol
[10:28] <amethyst1937> woww
[10:28] <silverarrow> 38 is too much for me
[10:28] <amethyst1937> okkkkk
[10:28] <silverarrow> I wold just sit there and drink water lol
[10:28] <amethyst1937> yes my PCs dont work good with that heat
[10:28] <amethyst1937> i have them wioth open cases
[10:29] <silverarrow> I see
[10:29] <silverarrow> air conditioning
[10:29] <amethyst1937> no i dont like
[10:29] <amethyst1937> makes me sick
[10:29] <silverarrow> or refrigorator install
[10:30] <amethyst1937> its ok ! in a month the temperature will be fine
[10:30] <silverarrow> yes, I have heard that, some get like a perpetual cold almost
[10:30] <amethyst1937> 30 C
[10:30] <silverarrow> I like everyting up to about 27
[10:30] <amethyst1937> yes thats the best
[10:31] <silverarrow> it rather hard to come from norway and straight into that kind of heat
[10:31] <silverarrow> we need like two or three weeks to adjust
[10:31] <amethyst1937> it must be nice in norway
[10:31] <silverarrow> today it is nice
[10:31] <amethyst1937> i mean general
[10:31] <silverarrow> even with cloudy weather
[10:32] <silverarrow> well... it can be
[10:32] <amethyst1937> but ?
[10:32] <silverarrow> I live on the south west coast and it is too much rain
[10:33] <silverarrow> sunny weather is very appreciated
[10:33] <amethyst1937> here rain is very appreciated
[10:33] <silverarrow> when you have had 2 or 3 weeks of rain nonstop you are really fed up
[10:33] <silverarrow> I could always send you some lol
[10:34] <silverarrow> tomorrow they have predicted rain and thunder
[10:34] <silverarrow> a bit exiting for once lol
[10:34] <silverarrow> lightning is fascinating
[10:35] <amethyst1937> i see
[10:35] <amethyst1937> hehe
[10:36] <silverarrow> kanliot, do the partitions need to be flagged in lubuntu ?
[10:36] <amethyst1937> man brb in 10 mins !!! have smthing to do ! cya later
[10:36] <silverarrow> in some distros you need to flag when using a manual partition maker
[10:36] <silverarrow> see you
[10:36] <amethyst1937> now the installer is almost at 70 %
[10:37] <amethyst1937> i have left it at the keyboard layout screen
[10:37] <lamogo> I'm in the Philippines and we have had our first day of sunshine in two weeks. The past two weeks have been to hurricanes and a monsoon
[10:37] <amethyst1937> and moves on
[10:37] <amethyst1937> the progress bar filled all
[10:37] <amethyst1937> and disapeared
[10:37] <amethyst1937> now ???
[10:37] <amethyst1937> should i finish the installer ?
[10:38] <lamogo> sure,
[10:38] <amethyst1937> ok hold on ! iam at keyboard layout yet
[10:39] <lamogo> proced slowly
[10:39] <amethyst1937> ok now the who are you screen
[10:41] <amethyst1937> loading loading ....
[10:41] <amethyst1937> welcome screen with the slides
[10:41] <amethyst1937> and "installing system"
[10:42] <amethyst1937> progress bar
[10:42] <amethyst1937> i ll leave it for 10 mins and inform you
[10:42] <amethyst1937> brb
[10:42] <technoid_> great name for a coffee bar, "The Progress Bar"
[10:58] <silverarrow> there is a way to launch bug report from an alt F-key function but I cannot find it
[10:58] <silverarrow> yeah, anything coffee seems to relate to ubuntu
[10:58] <silverarrow> on the forum we are handed out beans on each post
[11:04] <lamogo> didn't know about the key bind for bug reporting that's cool.
[11:06] <silverarrow> if I only could figure out how to use it
[11:09] <vit_o> hello
[11:10] <silverarrow> hi vit_o
[11:10] <vit_o> how can i have my default lxpanel back?
[11:10] <silverarrow> hmm
[11:11] <silverarrow> have you tried open box config manager ?
[11:11] <silverarrow> there is probably some sudo command too
[11:12] <vit_o> this panel is driving me crazy. it is a non-sense that i can't restablish this stuff
[11:13] <vit_o> i don't think so, because i hadn't found it! :(
[11:14] <silverarrow> not many here right now
[11:14] <silverarrow> have you tried the ubuntu channel?
[11:14] <silverarrow> there is a fairly easy way to switch
[11:15] <lamogo> I think it is sudo lxpanelctl restart <name of user>
[11:17] <silverarrow>  sudo apt-get install lxde
[11:17] <silverarrow> ?
[11:17] <silverarrow> as total reinstall ?
[11:18] <vit_o> lamogo: the problem is that the default panel disappears, so when i restart it reload the new panel i've created, not the def one.
[11:18] <vit_o> is it clear? (sorry for my bad english)
[11:19] <silverarrow> yes I think I know what you mean
[11:19] <silverarrow> I`m just not clever enough to come up with a fix
[11:19] <vit_o> ok ok xD
[11:20] <lamogo> actually yesterday I came here and had the same problem, that command they gave also didn't work for me. I rebooted my computer and issue went away.
[11:20] <silverarrow> sudo aptitude confix lxde? something like that
[11:21] <silverarrow> lamogo, command then reboot might have worked ?
[11:21] <lamogo> They gave me a "pkill lxpanel" and then the command I gave you
[11:21] <lamogo> but when I reloaded the panel it was the wrong one even with the user name
[11:21] <lamogo> so I rebooted and it's been fine
[11:22] <lamogo> do you want the default panel back?
[11:24] <vit_o> lamogo: yes please!! Xd
[11:25] <lamogo> I'm not to familiar with Lubuntu. Can you try "dpkg --reconfigure lxpanel"
[11:26] <lamogo> that has two dashes for reconfigure
[11:28] <vit_o> dpkg doesn't have reconfigure option
[11:28] <vit_o> it says error
[11:29] <lamogo> i see. I'm a noob in Lubuntu.
[11:29] <vit_o> maybe it is better to ask in the forum ?
[11:30] <lamogo> can you run "ls ~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/panel
[11:30] <lamogo> "
[11:32] <vit_o> I have only a panel named top
[11:32] <vit_o> (the new one i created)
[11:33] <lamogo> I think that file is the default one, have you modified it?
[11:33] <lamogo> not top, but the one I gave
[11:35] <vit_o> in the folder panels I do not have any othe folders, but just a file named top, that is the conf file of the new panel I created
[11:40] <lamogo> does "lxpanelctl <user name> config" give an option to restore the default
[11:41] <lamogo> sorry try lxpanelctl config <user name>
[11:43] <vit_o> i've already looked with no results :(
[11:47] <bioterror> give some rm -rf to panel configs, and it will create the default one again
[11:48] <vit_o> bioterror: can you explain me how to do that?
[11:49] <lamogo> try "rm ~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/top"
[11:51] <vit_o> done
[11:51] <lamogo> ls ~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/
[11:52] <vit_o> it is empty
[11:52] <lamogo> logout and login
[11:53] <lamogo> oops maybe lxpanel restart would have been better
[11:54] <vit_o> i'm back!
[11:54] <lamogo> did it work
[11:54] <lamogo> ...
[11:55] <vit_o> and my wonderful panel too! xD
[11:55] <lamogo> well thank bioterror. :)
[11:55] <vit_o> thank you very much guys!!!
[11:56] <vit_o> thanks a lot! bye bye! I have to go!
[12:06] <amethyst1937> ok i started the alternate installation iso
[12:06] <amethyst1937> good luck
[12:06] <bioterror> godspeed!
[12:06] <lamogo> God speed
[12:11] <amethyst1937> Hostname ?
[12:11] <amethyst1937> what should i put ?
[12:11] <bioterror> what ever you want
[12:11] <bioterror> it's the name of your computer
[12:11] <amethyst1937> lubuntu is ok ?
[12:11] <bioterror> I suggest you name your computer: tinky-winky
[12:12] <amethyst1937> hahahah
[12:12] <bioterror> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-e-93wK4g3ow/T3udXuS9YDI/AAAAAAAAEtg/skOwOP17p7g/s1600/article-1177338-04CF0806000005DC-42_224x333.jpg haters gonna hate :D
[12:16] <amethyst1937> help me with the partitions guys
[12:16] <amethyst1937> :D
[12:16] <amethyst1937> i want to format all the disk and use it only for lubuntu
[12:16] <amethyst1937> i see 5 options
[12:17] <bioterror> use whole disk then?
[12:17] <amethyst1937> and set up lvm ? or set up encrypted lvm ?
[12:17] <bioterror> technically if you use just whole disk, you wont need LVM
[12:17] <bioterror> and dont encrypt
[12:17] <amethyst1937> what is lvm ?
[12:18] <bioterror> it's a great thing if you need to change size of the disk
[12:18] <bioterror> !lvm
[12:26] <amethyst1937> ok im at 66 %
[12:26] <amethyst1937> things going well :D
[12:26] <lamogo> hope it finishes
[12:26] <amethyst1937> im trying from 11.oo oclock
[12:27] <amethyst1937> haha
[12:27] <amethyst1937> but i dont give up
[12:27] <amethyst1937> :D
[12:27] <amethyst1937> it asked me for a username
[12:28] <amethyst1937> and a password
[12:28] <amethyst1937> i fill it
[12:28] <amethyst1937> the password for root which is ?
[12:28] <lamogo> Some as other password
[12:29] <bioterror> no
[12:29] <bioterror> ubuntu will not ask password for root
[12:29] <bioterror> it asks for a user
[12:29] <bioterror> and password for it, and it can do sudo
[12:30] <amethyst1937> so the root doesnt have password
[12:31] <amethyst1937> ?
[12:31] <lamogo> Ubuntu doesn't really have a root account but uses root privileges through "sudo"
[12:32] <amethyst1937> aha
[12:32] <amethyst1937> ok
[12:32] <lamogo> Normally the first user is granted all permissions through sudo commands.
[12:32] <amethyst1937> thnx
[12:32] <bioterror> !root
[12:37] <amethyst1937> nice article
[12:39] <silverarrow> are you still installing amethyst1937 ?
[12:42] <lamogo> seems he is silverarrow.
[12:49] <amethyst1937> yes yes
[12:49] <amethyst1937> retrieving file 380 of 796
[12:49] <amethyst1937> 18%
[12:49] <amethyst1937> do i have future ?
[12:50] <lamogo> looks like I won't be around to see how it all works out. Gotta log-off soon.
[12:50] <amethyst1937> it is doing great
[12:50] <amethyst1937> 480 of 796
[12:51] <amethyst1937> 600
[13:10] <silverarrow> comming along
[13:11] <silverarrow> I will be around, a bit to and from the computer
[13:15] <lamogo> good night
[13:31] <tewecske> hi
[13:31] <silverarrow> hi
[13:32] <silverarrow> how are you doing?
[13:32] <silverarrow> I am doing some gnome mplayer testing and have to close browser and this chat
[13:33] <silverarrow> I am in chatzilla
[13:33] <silverarrow> no, I am not lol
[13:33] <tewecske> i have a dell n5010 laptop with a corsair 90gb ssd with gpt partition, i used this for more the 6 months now but now I can't boot it
[13:33] <tewecske> it boots from livecd
[13:33] <tewecske> but can't boot from the hdd, there aren't any messages
[13:34] <tewecske> how can i fix a gpt patitioned drive?
[13:34] <tewecske> oh and i use lubuntu 11.10
[13:34] <silverarrow> have you lost grub or some kind of messup?
[13:34] <silverarrow> I see
[13:34] <tewecske> i don't have grub
[13:34] <silverarrow> on a mac?
[13:34] <silverarrow> no sorry,
[13:34] <silverarrow> my mind is  elsewhere
[13:35] <silverarrow> I shall have to have a cup of coffee or something
[13:35] <silverarrow> what kind of bootloader do you have?
[13:36] <silverarrow> I know some bootloader updates can messup other that default setup
[13:36] <silverarrow> I am in 12.04
[13:38] <tewecske> i don't know
[13:38] <tewecske> how can i check it
[13:38] <bioterror> what kind of computer you have?
[13:38] <bioterror> what's the boot error message?
[13:38] <bioterror> !error
[13:38] <tewecske> there is nothing
[13:39] <tewecske> blank screen with blinking cursor
[13:39] <tewecske> i checked the lgof iles
[13:39] <tewecske> log files
[13:39] <tewecske> nothing there either
[13:39] <bioterror> hmmm
[13:39] <bioterror> and the hard drive works otherwise well?
[13:40] <tewecske> yes
[13:40] <tewecske> i can mount it and browse
[13:40] <bioterror> okay
[13:40] <bioterror> !grub-rescue
[13:40] <bioterror> tewecske, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[13:41] <tewecske> i tried it
[13:41] <bioterror> and?
[13:41] <tewecske> it sais itás a GPT partition and can't fix it
[13:41] <bioterror> okay
[13:42] <tewecske> it recommends other ways to fix it, let me check again
[13:44] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting#Install_GRUB2_in_.28U.29EFI_systems
[13:44] <bioterror> so difficult :P
[13:44] <bioterror> do I really want an EFI system myself :G
[13:45] <tewecske> "GPT detected. Please create a BIOS-Boot partition (>1MB, unformatted filesystem, bios_grub flag). This can be performed via tools such as Gparted. Then try again."
[13:45] <tewecske> it's not an EFI system
[13:45] <bioterror> okay
[13:46] <tewecske> afaik linux can boot from GPT with bios just windows can't
[13:46] <tewecske> and it worked for months this must be the case :)
[13:51] <bioterror> I have not played with GPT
[13:52] <bioterror> maybe I should...
[14:19] <silverarrow> wb amethyst1937
[14:19] <silverarrow> how are you doing?
[14:35] <silverarrow> amethyst1937, ?
[15:01] <amethyst1937> at last
[15:19] <silverarrow> hi amethyst1937
[15:19] <silverarrow> how is the install doing?
[15:23] <silverarrow> what is mplayer2 binaries ?
[15:23] <silverarrow> I have trouble with mplayer
[15:25] <silverarrow> I need some mplayer clever guys
[15:26] <silverarrow> hi hyperair
[15:26] <silverarrow> join #mplayer
[15:26] <hyperair> hi silverarrow
[15:27] <silverarrow> I`m struggeling with mplayer
[16:11]  * keke jump
[16:47] <silverarrow> have you arrived at anything amethyst1937 ?
[17:38] <silverarrow> can someone help me with package install?
[17:38] <silverarrow> I am in a pickle
[17:42] <bioterror> pickle?-)
[17:49] <silverarrow> yes, I have removed gnome mplayer package
[17:49] <silverarrow> and are trying to install gnome mplayer package 1.0.6 from the site
[17:49] <silverarrow> I know it is not recommended, but there is hope I might get it to work on ppc
[17:49] <silverarrow> bioterror:  still here?
[17:50] <bioterror> I am
[17:50] <silverarrow> this is the situation http://imagebin.org/224913
[17:51] <silverarrow> I am getting help form a guy that works with developing gnome mplayer I think
[17:53] <bioterror> and?
[17:58] <silverarrow> how do I get it to install then?
[17:59] <bioterror> you could first start by reading that README -file
[17:59] <bioterror> as it states "READ ME"
[18:00] <silverarrow> What do think I am doin lol
[18:00] <bioterror> probably not reading it
[18:03] <silverarrow> http://imagebin.org/224915
[18:03] <silverarrow> no help in that one, at least for the first steps
[18:07] <silverarrow> might be something here http://pastebin.com/WemwxBu8
[18:15] <silverarrow> I need a break
[18:15] <silverarrow> my head is mush
[18:15] <silverarrow> anyone with an old ibook or powerpc?
[18:16] <wxl> yep
[18:17] <silverarrow> and linux installed?
[18:17] <silverarrow> wxl or still osx?
[18:17] <silverarrow> os 10
[18:17] <wxl> lubuntu, yes, but i haven't touched it in a while
[18:19] <silverarrow> oh do touch it
[18:19] <wxl> don't have it in front of me
[18:19] <silverarrow> have you ever gotten gnome mplayer gecko setup to work?
[18:19] <wxl> no
[18:19] <silverarrow> well behind you then?
[18:19] <silverarrow> I am trying
[18:20] <wxl> but haev you caught any of the discussion about mplayer no the mailing list? that might offer some suggestion
[18:20] <Unit193> mplayer backend vs mplayer2 backend.
[18:20] <silverarrow> I am trying to install latest version with 1.0.6
[18:21] <silverarrow> and I have tried the original mplayer
[18:21] <silverarrow> no difference on ppc
[18:21] <silverarrow> Unit193: back end as in repositories?
[18:23] <silverarrow> I would happily take any suggestion on how to go about it
[18:24] <silverarrow> Unit193 yes I have tried the difference between mplayer and mplayer2
[18:24] <kanliot> replacing mplayer2 with mplayer is easy
[18:24] <kanliot> 1 command, you want it?
[18:24] <silverarrow> no,
[18:24] <silverarrow> I already have
[18:24] <silverarrow> doesn` improve a thing
[18:25] <kanliot> same here man
[18:25] <silverarrow> probably not where the problem lies
[18:25] <silverarrow> however I would like to install gnome mplayer targaz 1.0.6 package
[18:26] <silverarrow> which is what kevin is working with
[18:26] <kanliot> what about smplayer
[18:26] <silverarrow> have tried it too, and no success
[18:26] <silverarrow> ppc resists
[18:27] <kanliot> you picked a back software to learn the build process
[18:27] <kanliot> but don't let me stop ya
[18:27] <silverarrow> lol true
[18:27] <silverarrow> horror
[18:27] <kanliot> :)
[18:28] <kanliot> oh and thanks for helping with that amethyst guy
[18:28] <silverarrow> I hope he got somewhere
[18:28] <kanliot> he said finally
[18:28] <kanliot> probably got it i think
[18:29] <silverarrow> yes, that would be a good indication
[18:29] <silverarrow> lubuntu ofen run surprisingly well on those old computers
[18:29] <bioterror> is it time to point out that there's a reason why apple ditched PPC :D
[18:30] <kanliot> what about vlc?
[18:30] <silverarrow> true
[18:30] <silverarrow> I have tried it
[18:30] <silverarrow> powerpc processors suck
[18:30] <bioterror> yes they do
[18:32] <silverarrow> luckily macbook pros are a bit better
[18:32] <silverarrow> they are just regular pcs these days
[18:33] <silverarrow> I think I like the new slim samsung models
[18:33] <bioterror> s/regular/premium/
[18:33] <zleap> but i guess macs are built to a standard spec to ensure OSX works properly
[18:33] <bioterror> yes
[18:33] <bioterror> that's called "vendor locked-in"
[18:33] <zleap> yeah
[18:34] <silverarrow> can be a bit annoying like that
[18:34] <zleap> i guess there are pros / cons
[18:34] <zleap> cons being older hardware perhaps
[18:34] <zleap> where as most PC's can be upgraded
[18:35] <bioterror> but the hardware should work like a dream plus no driver problems
[18:36] <silverarrow> I`m not sure really, everytime there is a osx upgrade, there are major activity on the forums to get stuff fixed
[18:36] <bioterror> :D
[18:38] <silverarrow> drivers are probalby linux only weakness
[18:38] <silverarrow> and software lockout some times
[18:38] <silverarrow> very annying with adobe flash player
[18:39] <silverarrow> however, I think gnome mplayer gecko should work on powerpc
[18:39] <silverarrow> it just need a bit of tweaking
[18:39] <silverarrow> and I need to get a bit more clever
[18:40] <silverarrow> I have a hp with a broken screen
[18:40] <silverarrow> which means I might need a new laptop
[18:41] <TheLordOfTime> or have HP replace the screen.
[18:41] <silverarrow> yeah, maybe
[18:42] <silverarrow> it`s 4GB RAM and core2 duo cpu
[18:42] <silverarrow> but I never had 64 bit system on it
[18:43] <silverarrow> I can get a new screen for about 70 pounds
[18:49] <silverarrow> I am off for tonight, see you another day
[18:49] <silverarrow> ;- )
[20:09] <danieru> hi, can anyone tell me the quickest way to share a dir via samba on lubuntu?
[20:11] <danieru> i have used swat in the past, and setup smb.conf, but something as close to nautilus' right-click and share simplicity would be great!
[21:12] <silverarrow> any guys clever with  package building ?
[21:13] <silverarrow> or not
[21:24] <silverarrow> are there any developers here?
[21:36] <zumodoki> Hello people!
[21:36] <zumodoki> I have questions
[21:36] <zumodoki> Who has answers?
[21:37] <kanliot> 42
[21:37] <zumodoki> Fantastic, Just the answer I needed to all my questions!
[21:40] <kanliot> the silence in the channel is also an answer, but in a zen buddhist way
[21:45] <bioterror> no questions, good
[22:36] <APoulos> hey folks, would it be okay to install Lubuntu 12.04 onto a computer with only 512MB of ram?
[22:39] <APoulos> anyone awake?
[22:39] <tiger_eye> there's one way to find out, APoulos ;-)
[22:40] <APoulos> tiger_eye, I don't have much time - fixing a computer for a friend and he only has 512MB of ram
[22:40] <tiger_eye> yes, I believe you can
[22:40] <APoulos> tiger_eye, he's got a 2007 Mac Book that I turned into Linux box
[22:41] <APoulos> tiger_eye, I'm installing 11.10 right now of Lubuntu - but I wanted to know if 12.04 would be compatible
[22:41] <tiger_eye> cool.  the alternate Lubuntu installer is needed for less than 256MB of ram, so 512MB should be plenty for the normal install
[22:42] <tiger_eye> I'm hardly an authority on the matter; I'm just a user
[22:42] <APoulos> would the lubuntu alternative installer include a gui for the desktop?
[22:42] <APoulos> or is it all CLi?
[22:42] <tiger_eye> "A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MB of RAM. Desktop CD should not be used to install on systems with less than 1 GB of RAM. Please download the alternate ISO. "
[22:43] <tiger_eye> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[22:43] <APoulos> yeah I read that
[22:43] <APoulos> thats why im asking
[22:44] <tiger_eye> ah, then you know more than me ;-) .  I'd be absolutely shocked if the alternate installer didn't include a gui, although the installation will be minimal
[22:44] <APoulos> understood