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keeshrm, can't usb-creator-gtk use an ext4 for the main filesystem (since it boots syslinux?)01:56
kees(or rather, can't we switch to extlinux?)02:01
slangasekstokachu, micahg: hmm, TTBOMK :any is possible in precise; I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't be03:03
slangasekstokachu, micahg: and in practice we're not talking about having any packages *in* precise depending on gdb:any03:03
Bluefoxicyhttp://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2009-04/msg00367.html03:55
BluefoxicyThis should be standard reboot fare.  shutdown should kexec -e grub2whatever03:56
Bluefoxicy(too bad it's unclear if this actually works yet)03:57
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Bluefoxicythat's interesting04:10
Bluefoxicyyou can't open an MTP device with a hell of a lot of stuff on it.  Nautilus complains DBUS timeout/failure04:10
BluefoxicyPTP it, remove a ton of images, swap back, it works again.04:10
Bluefoxicy</google nexus>04:10
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micahgslangasek: ISTR some hoohah when wine wanted to depend on something :any, I think we were waiting for precise+1 so that there wasn't a problem with dpkg on upgrade05:19
micahgin precise it was only used for build dependencies IIRC05:19
pp712.04 why does my global menu stop working all of a sudden and go back to menu's per window?  How can i restart global menu?05:20
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mvohm, whats up with the PPA builders? https://launchpad.net/~mvo/+archive/freeglut-multiarch tells me on amd64 the build will start next monday and i386 does not even tell me when it will try :/06:56
ScottKmvo: data center move.06:56
lifelessmvo: DC move.06:56
mvooh, of course!06:56
mvothanks06:57
shadeslayerwheeee07:02
shadeslayercjwatson: image is unbootable xD07:02
shadeslayerprobably because of one of the patches I skipped07:03
shadeslayer( kvm says 'Booting from DVD/CD... )07:07
dholbachgood morning07:09
shadeslayermorning dholbach07:09
didrocksgood morning Mr Holbach :)07:10
dholbachhi shadeslayer, salut didrocks07:10
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* shadeslayer ponders why the data center is being moved07:13
RAOFAligators.07:13
shadeslayerwhat if the new place has worse animals?07:14
shadeslayerlike ... you know ... penguins and such :P07:15
RAOFWe'll import the alligators from the last place as a biological control.07:15
didrocksthey are moving it to australia, it's known to be a safe place with only friendly animals :)07:15
shadeslayerah .. animals and humans running a data center together, sounds like fun07:16
shadeslayer"We got a bug in our system ... we'll patch it! ... no I meant literally a bug in the system!!"07:16
dholbachshadeslayer, we'll have patch monkeys in there07:22
shadeslayer:D07:23
rmk_morning jodh07:31
jodhrmk_: hi07:32
rmk_just wondering if you saw my comments about your script?07:33
MCR1haha07:33
rmk_for tty-serial07:33
rmk_specifically, IFS stuff07:33
jodhrmk_: I was out yesterday, so no.07:34
rmk_it was a few days ago07:34
rmk_I found the problem07:34
rmk_when you call getty you need to restore the IFS back otherwise you won't get the word splitting you expect07:35
jodhrmk_: there are no new comments on bug 702574..?07:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 702574 in upstart (Ubuntu) "getty should be started automatically on serial port when serial console is set on kernel command line" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70257407:35
rmk_because you leave it set to ',', getty gets "-8 115200 ttyS0" all as one argument07:35
jodhrmk_: please could you just add your comments to that bug so they don't get lost? ;)07:36
rmk_eventually... it seems not to be elinks compatible07:37
rmk_iow,when I'm on the machine with firefox :)07:38
SpamapSok I'm going totally bonkers here08:05
SpamapSI'm chrooted into a filesystem08:05
SpamapSfile has permissions for reading..08:06
SpamapSno apparmor in effect08:06
SpamapSbut getting access denied08:06
SpamapSbut only when *sudo* tries to access (/etc/sudoers)08:07
SpamapShm or is it possible apparmor *is* doing something but not logging it properly?08:08
evmpt: am I remembering correctly that we're doing away with the Ubuntu logo in the error dialogs?09:28
mptev, yes, I have an artwork request for a new icon. Do the error alerts show up in the Launcher? I forget.09:30
mptIf so, the icon inside the alert should be the same as for the Launcher.09:30
evyes09:31
evone second09:31
evmpt: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/Screen%20Shot%202012-08-17%20at%2010.31.43.png09:32
mptOh, yeah, that thing09:34
xnox=)))09:39
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evmpt: I'm wondering if the spinner over the treeview is the best place for it, now that we can have multiple reports potentially loading at different times. Maybe a band that appears at the top of the treeview and says "Loading" with the spinner next to it?10:38
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mptev, how long apart are the sections likely to populate?10:58
evmpt: hard to say. That's entirely dependent on how frequent different crashes are occurring10:59
mptev, and waiting for the last would be bad?11:01
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evmpt: they can come in at any time. Lets say for argument's sake that you have the error report dialog up, with the show details pane expanded11:04
evanother crash occurs11:04
evwhat should happen?11:04
mptohhhh11:04
mptI was thinking just of the case where you already had all of them11:04
evah11:05
mptyou just hadn't analyzed them yet11:05
mptI'm tempted to say that showing the details pane should prevent aggregation of any later ones11:05
mptotherwise, even if you're concerned about exactly what the report contains, you may hit "Continue" just as a bunch of private stuff gets added to it.11:06
mptBut that conflicts a bit with the idea of persisting expanded state of the details pane.11:06
mpt(That could be prevented by making "Continue" insensitive for a few seconds after each problem, but in a diabolical case that might mean it never becomes sensitive.)11:08
evso it's possible to do that, but that would make determining which dialog to send subsequent error reports to difficult in the case where you've expanded the pane, a new report comes in and opens a new dialog, you collapse the pane and then a new report comes in.11:10
evunless the solution is to never aggregate to the existing dialog after the user has clicked show details, even if they then hit hide details11:11
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xnoxas a point of interest / survey can I ask you to run:13:05
xnox$ ls /boot/grub/unicode.pf213:05
xnoxand tell me if you have it or not?13:05
geser-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2560080 Aug 10 11:41 /boot/grub/unicode.pf213:13
xnoxgeser: thanks.13:18
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* ev headdesk13:26
evmpt: I'm glad I'm writing this state of the error tracker email13:27
evas it's getting me to think about some of these problems from a different angle13:27
evlike how all the work I did on teaching crash-digger (the thing that links apport bug reports together) to use daisy.ubuntu.com for its brain so we could have just one mapping crash signatures to bug reports13:28
evthis so we can have launchpad bugs on errors.ubuntu.com for the issues without them, and to lay the groundwork for crash signatures -> bugs -> uploaded source -> fixed binary packages stuff13:29
mptStandard therapist procedure: Communicating your problems helps solve them. :-)13:29
evI've realised that we can probably just leave crash-digger well alone, and just dup the crash-digger found bug against the daisy.ubuntu.com created one13:29
evmpt: I need a teddy bear13:29
cjwatsonpot plants work too13:30
evhaha13:31
dholbachtumbleweed, happy birthday! :)13:38
jocarterhappy birthday tumbleweed!13:40
xnoxev: the 80cm Wenlocks are on sale13:54
evxnox: I have a rule. If I don't know what it *is*, I don't buy it in plush form.13:55
xnoxev: it's a blob of metal =)13:55
ev:)13:55
slangasekmicahg: ah right, lucid dpkg+apt would fail to parse that dep14:01
jdstrandmterry: hey-- I don't remember the bug, but saw you were waiting on bin-deNEW of pycurl. it is done14:06
mterryjdstrand, ah yes; awesome, thanks14:06
jdstrandnp14:07
barrymterry, jdstrand \o/14:10
dholbachanyone up for taking the last 1h slot on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable?14:12
tumbleweeddholbach, jocarter: thanks14:23
dholbach:)14:25
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MacSlowHow do I best report this kernel-crash, which isn't picked up by ubuntu-bug/apport at all -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1152750 (extracted manually from /var/log/syslog)14:54
smoserstgraber, what is the "right" target of the symlink in /etc/resolv.conf ?15:05
stgrabersmoser: ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf15:06
stgraberit's relative to avoid problems when dealing with chroots15:07
smoserstgraber, ok. good.15:07
smoserfor some reason my local system has absolute15:07
smoserbut i assume some result of me for that.15:08
smoserthe cloud images have relative, so i questioned the difference.15:08
stgrabersome early versions were creating an absolute symlink, so maybe you still have it from that time15:08
stgraberI don't expect any problem on regular systems, the problem was mostly showing up with live-build/schroot/...15:09
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BenCinfinity: Any idea what the 1 day backup is on the powerpc buildd's?15:39
stgraberBenC: builders were moved between DCs yesterday, ppc only got back online an hour ago15:40
BenCAh, gotcha15:40
xnoxmpt: So no repeats on the alarms? =))) I'm guessing it's not a wake-up alarm then.15:41
xnoxmpt: should it boot the computer up as well?15:41
mptxnox, don't know if you went to the page or just read the diff, but the sketch shows "Repeat: (*) No  ( ) Daily"15:42
xnoxmpt: what I meant, is multiple alarms. I always set two alarms 7am & 7:30am15:42
xnoxcause I will snooze/ignore the first one15:42
mptxnox, if Ubuntu was smart enough to have timed startup and shutdown, I think it should first go in the Power settings. We could add it here later.15:43
xnoxmpt: Ok.15:43
mptxnox, baby steps. A single alarm for now. :-) Maybe a list of them later.15:44
xnoxmpt: the sketches look good =)15:44
xnoxmpt: there is a new installer design item similar with 'ubuntu one' integration, but landscape this time around =)15:44
mptjoy15:45
mptcjwatson, hi, did bdmurray send you any of the statistics yet on how people edit their /etc/default/grub ?15:51
mpt(for <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-fix-grub-config-errors>)15:52
cjwatsonah, I have an outstanding mail from him on that that I need to reply to15:53
evsurely there's such a thing in gtk as a hseparator cell renderer15:54
evmpt: so to be clear on this before I go off writing custom cell renderers and come back with a beard and even more of a planet-sized hatred for GTK16:00
evindividual report data with the expanders16:00
evseparated by just a horizontal line16:00
evnothing fancier?16:01
mptnothing fancier16:01
cjwatsonLaney: looks like libpst could be synced?16:29
bdmurray@pilot in17:04
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infinitybdmurray: Didn't you just pilot a few days ago, or am I going insane?17:05
infinitybdmurray: (The answer can be "both", FWIW)17:06
bdmurrayinfinity: I was supposed to a few days ago but was working on an error tracker / apport thing17:06
infinityAhh.17:06
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dpb___Hi all -- is there is a policy on removing init scripts from a new version of a package?  Is an rm -f good policy, or is there something better?19:10
infinitydpb___: Init scripts tend to be conffiles, so you might want rm_conffile19:17
infinitydpb___: See the manpage for dpkg-maintscript-helper19:17
infinitydpb___: Requires a pre-dep on dpkg (>= 1.15.7.2)19:17
shadeslayercjwatson: so I made everything work with the old lb build ( the on in the archives right now ), but it still doesn't boot 0.o19:18
shadeslayergives me a code 000319:19
shadeslayermaybe a bug in qemu19:21
mhall119where can I get a list of packages in Precise's backports archive?19:22
tumbleweedin the Packages list?19:23
mhall119and where is that?19:23
mhall119I don't see backports in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/19:23
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tumbleweedprecise-backports19:23
tumbleweede.g. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz219:23
tumbleweedmhall119: even easier: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-backports/allpackages19:25
mhall119thanks tumbleweed19:25
tedgslangasek, Hey, do you know of a good way to build unit tests for pam modules?  There seems to be ideas out there, but I don't see anything authoritative.20:07
slangasektedg: I'm not aware of one, sorry.  Linux-PAM upstream has an "xtest" framework, which requires root access to run20:07
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tedgslangasek, Hmm, okay.  This seems to be the best I've found: http://git.eyrie.org/?p=kerberos/pam-krb5.git;a=blob;f=tests/fakepam/README;h=b0f23abcc75fabcd85206bc1a3d8e3fede5e61d8;hb=HEAD20:10
slangasektedg: anything in pam-krb5 upstream is probably a good starting point20:10
bdmurraytumbleweed: can you explain http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/view/head:/ubuntutools/sponsor_patch/sponsor_patch.py#L184 to me?20:11
bdmurraytumbleweed: particularly line 20520:11
bdmurrayI'm at an ubuntu bug with 2 tasks, really 3 tasks, but just for different releases and sponsor-patch is assert'ing on me there20:12
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tumbleweedbdmurray: the assertion is because we need to find the single task that matches the branch20:16
tumbleweedline 203 should pick the right release20:17
bdmurraytumbleweed: right and this bug has 2 quantal tasks for the same source package20:17
bdmurrayipdb> [t.get_series() for t in tasks]20:17
bdmurray[u'quantal', u'quantal']20:17
tumbleweednever seen that before20:17
tumbleweedbug number?20:17
bdmurraybug 95979520:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 959795 in trousers (Ubuntu Quantal) "package trousers 0.3.7-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 137" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95979520:17
bdmurrayall 3 don't show up in the web interface but in the API and probably +text20:18
bdmurrayI believe it happens when you target a bug to the development release20:18
tumbleweedthat makes sense20:19
tumbleweedhow do we pick the right one?20:19
bdmurraythey seem to be the same series so does it matter?20:20
tumbleweedactually, probably not. It only changes the state of tasks for old-style sync-acking20:22
tumbleweedso, I'd be ok with asserting 0<x<2, with a comment explaining that oddity20:23
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dpb___infinity: thanks, will look20:38
tumbleweedbdmurray: fix committed20:44
bdmurraytumbleweed: ah, thanks!20:44
tumbleweedbugtask was being too clever, and filling in quantal for the task that didn't have a series20:45
bdmurraytumbleweed: well that makes sense if there are no series tasks20:46
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tumbleweedyeah20:46
bdmurray@pilot out21:15
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silverarrowanyone clever with handeling packages here?21:24
silverarrowanyone here at all=21:26
silverarrow:-)21:26
micahgsilverarrow: if it's not related to stuff in the archive, you probably want #ubuntu-packaging21:29
silverarrowit`s amazing what channel devision can conjure up these days21:29
silverarrowmicahg: can you take a look at this http://imagebin.org/22493221:30
micahgsilverarrow: will follow up in -packaging21:32
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plasmasolutions Good evening guys...I've got a brand new intuos 5 under ubuntu here and need really your help. As far as I can see the pen /eraser is working properly but when I lay my finger at on of the left tablet buttons or move it in a straight row from top to bottom the pointer moves for a very short timespan to 0|0 (causing the exposee feature under gnome3 to happen)22:33
plasmasolutionsWhen I set the panel to left handed, the pointer moves to the lower right for a tiny period of time22:33
plasmasolutions I installed under my ubuntu 12.04 this package-archive: ppa:lekensteyn/wacom-tablet22:34
plasmasolutionsand the wacom-dkms package, it's this archive: https://launchpad.net/~lekensteyn/+archive/wacom-tablet22:34
plasmasolutionsCould someone lead me to the path where we can find if this is a bug or a misconfiguration? Didn't change anything by hand...22:35
plasmasolutionsno idea, anyone?22:39
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failedassertionI have a bug but I don't know where to file it. Using the "fsprotect" package in universe doesn't work on /var with samba installed, because samba starts writing to files in /var/log before fsprotect can move the rw-mounted /var out of the way. Is this a bug in fsprotect, or is it a packaging bug in Ubuntu?23:37
failedassertioni.e. I think it's something specific to upstart trying to parallelize things23:38
cjwatsonI would be inclined to file that against the Ubuntu fsprotect package23:39
cjwatsonIt probably needs to be converted to an Upstart job itself so that it can start at the appropriate time and block samba startup, or something23:40
cjwatsonWithout having looked at the details or anything23:40
failedassertioncjwatson: Alright. Sounds good. I'll write it up and file it. Thanks.23:43
slangaseksounds non-trivial to fix in the general case however, since /var may or may not be a mount point23:43
cjwatsonAlso samba may or may not be installed23:43
slangasekand there's no consistent way to block everything that wants to start once the filesystem is up23:44
cjwatsonI'm not certain that fsprotect is the right place for the bug; it's just where I'd start with it23:44
cjwatsonIt's possible fsprotect would need to be integrated into mountall to work properly23:44
failedassertioni was afraid of that :-\23:45
cjwatsonThere *might* be some hack involving starting on the various mounted events23:45
slangasekactually, it seems like an upstart job that's 'start on mounted / instance MOUNTPOINT' would probably be what you want23:46
cjwatsonYeah23:46
cjwatsonThat would block local-filesystems until it's complete, which would block samba23:46
failedassertionslangasek: cjwatson: that's a good thought... I've got basically no knowledge of upstart, but when I look at this tomorrow I'll dig a little deeper. I've gotta run now, but thanks again23:49

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