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| kees | hrm, can't usb-creator-gtk use an ext4 for the main filesystem (since it boots syslinux?) | 01:56 |
|---|---|---|
| kees | (or rather, can't we switch to extlinux?) | 02:01 |
| slangasek | stokachu, micahg: hmm, TTBOMK :any is possible in precise; I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't be | 03:03 |
| slangasek | stokachu, micahg: and in practice we're not talking about having any packages *in* precise depending on gdb:any | 03:03 |
| Bluefoxicy | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2009-04/msg00367.html | 03:55 |
| Bluefoxicy | This should be standard reboot fare. shutdown should kexec -e grub2whatever | 03:56 |
| Bluefoxicy | (too bad it's unclear if this actually works yet) | 03:57 |
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| Bluefoxicy | that's interesting | 04:10 |
| Bluefoxicy | you can't open an MTP device with a hell of a lot of stuff on it. Nautilus complains DBUS timeout/failure | 04:10 |
| Bluefoxicy | PTP it, remove a ton of images, swap back, it works again. | 04:10 |
| Bluefoxicy | </google nexus> | 04:10 |
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| micahg | slangasek: ISTR some hoohah when wine wanted to depend on something :any, I think we were waiting for precise+1 so that there wasn't a problem with dpkg on upgrade | 05:19 |
| micahg | in precise it was only used for build dependencies IIRC | 05:19 |
| pp7 | 12.04 why does my global menu stop working all of a sudden and go back to menu's per window? How can i restart global menu? | 05:20 |
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| mvo | hm, whats up with the PPA builders? https://launchpad.net/~mvo/+archive/freeglut-multiarch tells me on amd64 the build will start next monday and i386 does not even tell me when it will try :/ | 06:56 |
| ScottK | mvo: data center move. | 06:56 |
| lifeless | mvo: DC move. | 06:56 |
| mvo | oh, of course! | 06:56 |
| mvo | thanks | 06:57 |
| shadeslayer | wheeee | 07:02 |
| shadeslayer | cjwatson: image is unbootable xD | 07:02 |
| shadeslayer | probably because of one of the patches I skipped | 07:03 |
| shadeslayer | ( kvm says 'Booting from DVD/CD... ) | 07:07 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:09 |
| shadeslayer | morning dholbach | 07:09 |
| didrocks | good morning Mr Holbach :) | 07:10 |
| dholbach | hi shadeslayer, salut didrocks | 07:10 |
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| * shadeslayer ponders why the data center is being moved | 07:13 | |
| RAOF | Aligators. | 07:13 |
| shadeslayer | what if the new place has worse animals? | 07:14 |
| shadeslayer | like ... you know ... penguins and such :P | 07:15 |
| RAOF | We'll import the alligators from the last place as a biological control. | 07:15 |
| didrocks | they are moving it to australia, it's known to be a safe place with only friendly animals :) | 07:15 |
| shadeslayer | ah .. animals and humans running a data center together, sounds like fun | 07:16 |
| shadeslayer | "We got a bug in our system ... we'll patch it! ... no I meant literally a bug in the system!!" | 07:16 |
| dholbach | shadeslayer, we'll have patch monkeys in there | 07:22 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 07:23 |
| rmk_ | morning jodh | 07:31 |
| jodh | rmk_: hi | 07:32 |
| rmk_ | just wondering if you saw my comments about your script? | 07:33 |
| MCR1 | haha | 07:33 |
| rmk_ | for tty-serial | 07:33 |
| rmk_ | specifically, IFS stuff | 07:33 |
| jodh | rmk_: I was out yesterday, so no. | 07:34 |
| rmk_ | it was a few days ago | 07:34 |
| rmk_ | I found the problem | 07:34 |
| rmk_ | when you call getty you need to restore the IFS back otherwise you won't get the word splitting you expect | 07:35 |
| jodh | rmk_: there are no new comments on bug 702574..? | 07:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 702574 in upstart (Ubuntu) "getty should be started automatically on serial port when serial console is set on kernel command line" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702574 | 07:35 |
| rmk_ | because you leave it set to ',', getty gets "-8 115200 ttyS0" all as one argument | 07:35 |
| jodh | rmk_: please could you just add your comments to that bug so they don't get lost? ;) | 07:36 |
| rmk_ | eventually... it seems not to be elinks compatible | 07:37 |
| rmk_ | iow,when I'm on the machine with firefox :) | 07:38 |
| SpamapS | ok I'm going totally bonkers here | 08:05 |
| SpamapS | I'm chrooted into a filesystem | 08:05 |
| SpamapS | file has permissions for reading.. | 08:06 |
| SpamapS | no apparmor in effect | 08:06 |
| SpamapS | but getting access denied | 08:06 |
| SpamapS | but only when *sudo* tries to access (/etc/sudoers) | 08:07 |
| SpamapS | hm or is it possible apparmor *is* doing something but not logging it properly? | 08:08 |
| ev | mpt: am I remembering correctly that we're doing away with the Ubuntu logo in the error dialogs? | 09:28 |
| mpt | ev, yes, I have an artwork request for a new icon. Do the error alerts show up in the Launcher? I forget. | 09:30 |
| mpt | If so, the icon inside the alert should be the same as for the Launcher. | 09:30 |
| ev | yes | 09:31 |
| ev | one second | 09:31 |
| ev | mpt: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/Screen%20Shot%202012-08-17%20at%2010.31.43.png | 09:32 |
| mpt | Oh, yeah, that thing | 09:34 |
| xnox | =))) | 09:39 |
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| ev | mpt: I'm wondering if the spinner over the treeview is the best place for it, now that we can have multiple reports potentially loading at different times. Maybe a band that appears at the top of the treeview and says "Loading" with the spinner next to it? | 10:38 |
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| mpt | ev, how long apart are the sections likely to populate? | 10:58 |
| ev | mpt: hard to say. That's entirely dependent on how frequent different crashes are occurring | 10:59 |
| mpt | ev, and waiting for the last would be bad? | 11:01 |
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| ev | mpt: they can come in at any time. Lets say for argument's sake that you have the error report dialog up, with the show details pane expanded | 11:04 |
| ev | another crash occurs | 11:04 |
| ev | what should happen? | 11:04 |
| mpt | ohhhh | 11:04 |
| mpt | I was thinking just of the case where you already had all of them | 11:04 |
| ev | ah | 11:05 |
| mpt | you just hadn't analyzed them yet | 11:05 |
| mpt | I'm tempted to say that showing the details pane should prevent aggregation of any later ones | 11:05 |
| mpt | otherwise, even if you're concerned about exactly what the report contains, you may hit "Continue" just as a bunch of private stuff gets added to it. | 11:06 |
| mpt | But that conflicts a bit with the idea of persisting expanded state of the details pane. | 11:06 |
| mpt | (That could be prevented by making "Continue" insensitive for a few seconds after each problem, but in a diabolical case that might mean it never becomes sensitive.) | 11:08 |
| ev | so it's possible to do that, but that would make determining which dialog to send subsequent error reports to difficult in the case where you've expanded the pane, a new report comes in and opens a new dialog, you collapse the pane and then a new report comes in. | 11:10 |
| ev | unless the solution is to never aggregate to the existing dialog after the user has clicked show details, even if they then hit hide details | 11:11 |
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| xnox | as a point of interest / survey can I ask you to run: | 13:05 |
| xnox | $ ls /boot/grub/unicode.pf2 | 13:05 |
| xnox | and tell me if you have it or not? | 13:05 |
| geser | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2560080 Aug 10 11:41 /boot/grub/unicode.pf2 | 13:13 |
| xnox | geser: thanks. | 13:18 |
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| * ev headdesk | 13:26 | |
| ev | mpt: I'm glad I'm writing this state of the error tracker email | 13:27 |
| ev | as it's getting me to think about some of these problems from a different angle | 13:27 |
| ev | like how all the work I did on teaching crash-digger (the thing that links apport bug reports together) to use daisy.ubuntu.com for its brain so we could have just one mapping crash signatures to bug reports | 13:28 |
| ev | this so we can have launchpad bugs on errors.ubuntu.com for the issues without them, and to lay the groundwork for crash signatures -> bugs -> uploaded source -> fixed binary packages stuff | 13:29 |
| mpt | Standard therapist procedure: Communicating your problems helps solve them. :-) | 13:29 |
| ev | I've realised that we can probably just leave crash-digger well alone, and just dup the crash-digger found bug against the daisy.ubuntu.com created one | 13:29 |
| ev | mpt: I need a teddy bear | 13:29 |
| cjwatson | pot plants work too | 13:30 |
| ev | haha | 13:31 |
| dholbach | tumbleweed, happy birthday! :) | 13:38 |
| jocarter | happy birthday tumbleweed! | 13:40 |
| xnox | ev: the 80cm Wenlocks are on sale | 13:54 |
| ev | xnox: I have a rule. If I don't know what it *is*, I don't buy it in plush form. | 13:55 |
| xnox | ev: it's a blob of metal =) | 13:55 |
| ev | :) | 13:55 |
| slangasek | micahg: ah right, lucid dpkg+apt would fail to parse that dep | 14:01 |
| jdstrand | mterry: hey-- I don't remember the bug, but saw you were waiting on bin-deNEW of pycurl. it is done | 14:06 |
| mterry | jdstrand, ah yes; awesome, thanks | 14:06 |
| jdstrand | np | 14:07 |
| barry | mterry, jdstrand \o/ | 14:10 |
| dholbach | anyone up for taking the last 1h slot on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable? | 14:12 |
| tumbleweed | dholbach, jocarter: thanks | 14:23 |
| dholbach | :) | 14:25 |
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| MacSlow | How do I best report this kernel-crash, which isn't picked up by ubuntu-bug/apport at all -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1152750 (extracted manually from /var/log/syslog) | 14:54 |
| smoser | stgraber, what is the "right" target of the symlink in /etc/resolv.conf ? | 15:05 |
| stgraber | smoser: ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf | 15:06 |
| stgraber | it's relative to avoid problems when dealing with chroots | 15:07 |
| smoser | stgraber, ok. good. | 15:07 |
| smoser | for some reason my local system has absolute | 15:07 |
| smoser | but i assume some result of me for that. | 15:08 |
| smoser | the cloud images have relative, so i questioned the difference. | 15:08 |
| stgraber | some early versions were creating an absolute symlink, so maybe you still have it from that time | 15:08 |
| stgraber | I don't expect any problem on regular systems, the problem was mostly showing up with live-build/schroot/... | 15:09 |
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| BenC | infinity: Any idea what the 1 day backup is on the powerpc buildd's? | 15:39 |
| stgraber | BenC: builders were moved between DCs yesterday, ppc only got back online an hour ago | 15:40 |
| BenC | Ah, gotcha | 15:40 |
| xnox | mpt: So no repeats on the alarms? =))) I'm guessing it's not a wake-up alarm then. | 15:41 |
| xnox | mpt: should it boot the computer up as well? | 15:41 |
| mpt | xnox, don't know if you went to the page or just read the diff, but the sketch shows "Repeat: (*) No ( ) Daily" | 15:42 |
| xnox | mpt: what I meant, is multiple alarms. I always set two alarms 7am & 7:30am | 15:42 |
| xnox | cause I will snooze/ignore the first one | 15:42 |
| mpt | xnox, if Ubuntu was smart enough to have timed startup and shutdown, I think it should first go in the Power settings. We could add it here later. | 15:43 |
| xnox | mpt: Ok. | 15:43 |
| mpt | xnox, baby steps. A single alarm for now. :-) Maybe a list of them later. | 15:44 |
| xnox | mpt: the sketches look good =) | 15:44 |
| xnox | mpt: there is a new installer design item similar with 'ubuntu one' integration, but landscape this time around =) | 15:44 |
| mpt | joy | 15:45 |
| mpt | cjwatson, hi, did bdmurray send you any of the statistics yet on how people edit their /etc/default/grub ? | 15:51 |
| mpt | (for <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-fix-grub-config-errors>) | 15:52 |
| cjwatson | ah, I have an outstanding mail from him on that that I need to reply to | 15:53 |
| ev | surely there's such a thing in gtk as a hseparator cell renderer | 15:54 |
| ev | mpt: so to be clear on this before I go off writing custom cell renderers and come back with a beard and even more of a planet-sized hatred for GTK | 16:00 |
| ev | individual report data with the expanders | 16:00 |
| ev | separated by just a horizontal line | 16:00 |
| ev | nothing fancier? | 16:01 |
| mpt | nothing fancier | 16:01 |
| cjwatson | Laney: looks like libpst could be synced? | 16:29 |
| bdmurray | @pilot in | 17:04 |
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| infinity | bdmurray: Didn't you just pilot a few days ago, or am I going insane? | 17:05 |
| infinity | bdmurray: (The answer can be "both", FWIW) | 17:06 |
| bdmurray | infinity: I was supposed to a few days ago but was working on an error tracker / apport thing | 17:06 |
| infinity | Ahh. | 17:06 |
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| dpb___ | Hi all -- is there is a policy on removing init scripts from a new version of a package? Is an rm -f good policy, or is there something better? | 19:10 |
| infinity | dpb___: Init scripts tend to be conffiles, so you might want rm_conffile | 19:17 |
| infinity | dpb___: See the manpage for dpkg-maintscript-helper | 19:17 |
| infinity | dpb___: Requires a pre-dep on dpkg (>= 1.15.7.2) | 19:17 |
| shadeslayer | cjwatson: so I made everything work with the old lb build ( the on in the archives right now ), but it still doesn't boot 0.o | 19:18 |
| shadeslayer | gives me a code 0003 | 19:19 |
| shadeslayer | maybe a bug in qemu | 19:21 |
| mhall119 | where can I get a list of packages in Precise's backports archive? | 19:22 |
| tumbleweed | in the Packages list? | 19:23 |
| mhall119 | and where is that? | 19:23 |
| mhall119 | I don't see backports in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/ | 19:23 |
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| tumbleweed | precise-backports | 19:23 |
| tumbleweed | e.g. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 | 19:23 |
| tumbleweed | mhall119: even easier: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-backports/allpackages | 19:25 |
| mhall119 | thanks tumbleweed | 19:25 |
| tedg | slangasek, Hey, do you know of a good way to build unit tests for pam modules? There seems to be ideas out there, but I don't see anything authoritative. | 20:07 |
| slangasek | tedg: I'm not aware of one, sorry. Linux-PAM upstream has an "xtest" framework, which requires root access to run | 20:07 |
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| tedg | slangasek, Hmm, okay. This seems to be the best I've found: http://git.eyrie.org/?p=kerberos/pam-krb5.git;a=blob;f=tests/fakepam/README;h=b0f23abcc75fabcd85206bc1a3d8e3fede5e61d8;hb=HEAD | 20:10 |
| slangasek | tedg: anything in pam-krb5 upstream is probably a good starting point | 20:10 |
| bdmurray | tumbleweed: can you explain http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/view/head:/ubuntutools/sponsor_patch/sponsor_patch.py#L184 to me? | 20:11 |
| bdmurray | tumbleweed: particularly line 205 | 20:11 |
| bdmurray | I'm at an ubuntu bug with 2 tasks, really 3 tasks, but just for different releases and sponsor-patch is assert'ing on me there | 20:12 |
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| tumbleweed | bdmurray: the assertion is because we need to find the single task that matches the branch | 20:16 |
| tumbleweed | line 203 should pick the right release | 20:17 |
| bdmurray | tumbleweed: right and this bug has 2 quantal tasks for the same source package | 20:17 |
| bdmurray | ipdb> [t.get_series() for t in tasks] | 20:17 |
| bdmurray | [u'quantal', u'quantal'] | 20:17 |
| tumbleweed | never seen that before | 20:17 |
| tumbleweed | bug number? | 20:17 |
| bdmurray | bug 959795 | 20:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 959795 in trousers (Ubuntu Quantal) "package trousers 0.3.7-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 137" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/959795 | 20:17 |
| bdmurray | all 3 don't show up in the web interface but in the API and probably +text | 20:18 |
| bdmurray | I believe it happens when you target a bug to the development release | 20:18 |
| tumbleweed | that makes sense | 20:19 |
| tumbleweed | how do we pick the right one? | 20:19 |
| bdmurray | they seem to be the same series so does it matter? | 20:20 |
| tumbleweed | actually, probably not. It only changes the state of tasks for old-style sync-acking | 20:22 |
| tumbleweed | so, I'd be ok with asserting 0<x<2, with a comment explaining that oddity | 20:23 |
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| dpb___ | infinity: thanks, will look | 20:38 |
| tumbleweed | bdmurray: fix committed | 20:44 |
| bdmurray | tumbleweed: ah, thanks! | 20:44 |
| tumbleweed | bugtask was being too clever, and filling in quantal for the task that didn't have a series | 20:45 |
| bdmurray | tumbleweed: well that makes sense if there are no series tasks | 20:46 |
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| tumbleweed | yeah | 20:46 |
| bdmurray | @pilot out | 21:15 |
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| silverarrow | anyone clever with handeling packages here? | 21:24 |
| silverarrow | anyone here at all= | 21:26 |
| silverarrow | :-) | 21:26 |
| micahg | silverarrow: if it's not related to stuff in the archive, you probably want #ubuntu-packaging | 21:29 |
| silverarrow | it`s amazing what channel devision can conjure up these days | 21:29 |
| silverarrow | micahg: can you take a look at this http://imagebin.org/224932 | 21:30 |
| micahg | silverarrow: will follow up in -packaging | 21:32 |
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| plasmasolutions | Good evening guys...I've got a brand new intuos 5 under ubuntu here and need really your help. As far as I can see the pen /eraser is working properly but when I lay my finger at on of the left tablet buttons or move it in a straight row from top to bottom the pointer moves for a very short timespan to 0|0 (causing the exposee feature under gnome3 to happen) | 22:33 |
| plasmasolutions | When I set the panel to left handed, the pointer moves to the lower right for a tiny period of time | 22:33 |
| plasmasolutions | I installed under my ubuntu 12.04 this package-archive: ppa:lekensteyn/wacom-tablet | 22:34 |
| plasmasolutions | and the wacom-dkms package, it's this archive: https://launchpad.net/~lekensteyn/+archive/wacom-tablet | 22:34 |
| plasmasolutions | Could someone lead me to the path where we can find if this is a bug or a misconfiguration? Didn't change anything by hand... | 22:35 |
| plasmasolutions | no idea, anyone? | 22:39 |
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| failedassertion | I have a bug but I don't know where to file it. Using the "fsprotect" package in universe doesn't work on /var with samba installed, because samba starts writing to files in /var/log before fsprotect can move the rw-mounted /var out of the way. Is this a bug in fsprotect, or is it a packaging bug in Ubuntu? | 23:37 |
| failedassertion | i.e. I think it's something specific to upstart trying to parallelize things | 23:38 |
| cjwatson | I would be inclined to file that against the Ubuntu fsprotect package | 23:39 |
| cjwatson | It probably needs to be converted to an Upstart job itself so that it can start at the appropriate time and block samba startup, or something | 23:40 |
| cjwatson | Without having looked at the details or anything | 23:40 |
| failedassertion | cjwatson: Alright. Sounds good. I'll write it up and file it. Thanks. | 23:43 |
| slangasek | sounds non-trivial to fix in the general case however, since /var may or may not be a mount point | 23:43 |
| cjwatson | Also samba may or may not be installed | 23:43 |
| slangasek | and there's no consistent way to block everything that wants to start once the filesystem is up | 23:44 |
| cjwatson | I'm not certain that fsprotect is the right place for the bug; it's just where I'd start with it | 23:44 |
| cjwatson | It's possible fsprotect would need to be integrated into mountall to work properly | 23:44 |
| failedassertion | i was afraid of that :-\ | 23:45 |
| cjwatson | There *might* be some hack involving starting on the various mounted events | 23:45 |
| slangasek | actually, it seems like an upstart job that's 'start on mounted / instance MOUNTPOINT' would probably be what you want | 23:46 |
| cjwatson | Yeah | 23:46 |
| cjwatson | That would block local-filesystems until it's complete, which would block samba | 23:46 |
| failedassertion | slangasek: cjwatson: that's a good thought... I've got basically no knowledge of upstart, but when I look at this tomorrow I'll dig a little deeper. I've gotta run now, but thanks again | 23:49 |
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