[02:16] <ESphynx> oh I missed xnox :(
[03:06] <ESphynx> btw the package is at http://mentors.debian.net/package/ecere-sdk :P
[04:01] <abin_> is there Chinese in motu, I a beginner, and want someone to help me do some work?
[05:23] <codemaniac> where to start to become a motu ?
[05:41] <UndiFineD> codemaniac, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/
[05:41] <codemaniac> thanks UndiFineD
[05:42] <UndiFineD> topic :)
[05:42] <codemaniac> UndiFineD: can i do the dev activities on a headless ubuntuserver install
[05:42] <codemaniac> i mean is there any GUI tools needed
[05:43] <codemaniac> for a MOTU
[05:43] <UndiFineD> read the docs, it is all there
[05:44] <codemaniac> sure , but i was planning to set things up , thanks
[06:25] <ScottK> codemaniac: Most of us use primarily command line tools even when we have a GUI available.  It's certainly not needed.
[06:30] <codemaniac> ScottK: thanks , you turn my nitro booster on
[07:35] <codemaniac> Do i need a development release of Ubuntu as a testbed ?
[07:40] <geser> it helps if you can test your changes yourself (a VM is sufficient if you don't want to run the dev release)
[07:42] <codemaniac> is there any way someone can review/test the changes for me ?
[07:43] <codemaniac> i believe here comes the sponser
[09:54] <Zhenech> Daviey, may I bother you with some canonical job-related questions?
[10:13] <Daviey> Zhenech: I can try..
[10:35] <directhex> "what's the secret handshake?"
[10:54] <Daviey> directhex: I couldn't disclose anything like that!!
[11:13] <Zhenech> Daviey, I sent an application for https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=493 about two weeks ago and was wondering about possible roundtrip times in canonical-core for that (background: other possible employees want to know when I can be sure about joining them)
[12:13] <Lasall> micahg: i'd like to help the chromium people to get their ppa uptodate. is help welcome and if yes where can i start?
[14:12] <dholbach> anyone up for taking the last 1h slot on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable?
[14:53] <micahg> Lasall: yes, help is welcome, I'm gathering a list right now
[15:17] <Lasall> micahg: :) just ping me
[15:31] <ESphynx> xnox: hi :)
[15:32] <xnox> ESphynx: hola =)
[15:32] <ESphynx> como esta
[15:33] <ESphynx> See http://mentors.debian.net/package/ecere-sdk :P pretty clean now ;)
[15:42] <xnox> ESphynx: I might have some time over the weekend to look at it again =)
[15:42] <ESphynx> xnox: Ah great :) that would be nice.
[15:42] <ESphynx> Would any of you here be able to assist me regarding integration problems with Unity?
[15:42] <ESphynx> guys: http://ecere.com/tmp/unityBug.png
[15:43] <ESphynx> is there some kind of weird override going on with maximized apps? > Unity realy doesn’t play nice with my GUI toolkit :|  you’ll see the menu bar display twice under itself when maximized... and sometimes the clicks are gonna be off as well... I really wish we could work to resolve this
[15:43] <ESphynx>  My app is meant to come up maximized...But with Unity, sometimes it will come up maximized messed up, sometimes maximized OK , sometimes not maximized (fine)
[15:43] <ScottK> ESphynx: If it's a development issue, #ubuntu-deskotp is a better channel.
[15:43] <ESphynx> ScottK, thanks.
[15:43] <ESphynx> See that double menu bar :P not supposed to happen :P (And I don’t know how the heck it happens)
[16:30] <siretart> jbicha: I notice that you have uploaded/synced the latest live-boot. I've had the chance to test it in quantal in an nfsroot environment
[16:31] <siretart> jbicha: unfortunately, the version in quantal fails to optain an ip via dhcp. AFAIUI, this was fixed by this patch: http://live.debian.net/gitweb?p=live-boot.git;a=commit;h=990d419eacf614710c838ef743aa10ec0612ed7a
[16:31] <siretart> jbicha: as a quick test, I've installed the debian package 3.0~b1-1 in the nfsroot and rebuilt the initramfs
[16:32] <siretart> jbicha: while the system still fails to boot because of bug #1038075, at least dhcp worked
[16:32] <siretart> jbicha: any objections to sync that into quantal?
[16:32] <jbicha> no, please go ahead :)
[16:33] <siretart> jbicha: did you use/test live-boot for something in particular?
[16:35] <siretart> hrmpf. not in testing yet, so https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+localpackagediffs?field.name_filter=live-boot doesn't work
[16:36] <codemaniac>  /whois siretart
[16:36] <jbicha> siretart: you can use syncpackage from the ubuntu-dev-tools package
[16:46] <ScottK> siretart: If it doesn't, that's a bug since we're syncing from Unstable this cycle.
[16:47] <ScottK> But syncpackage is the way to go in any case.
[16:47] <micahg> siretart: one is not supposed to use the web interface for syncing, syncpackage is the proper way to do it
[17:13] <xnox> tumbleweed: can I haz an RSS for UDS Radiant Raccoon specs? =)
[17:15] <tumbleweed> xnox: there, done :)
[17:17] <xnox> tumbleweed: do I need to do anything? is it the same feed?
[17:17] <tumbleweed> same feed
[17:17] <xnox> cool =)
[17:17]  * tumbleweed goes out
[19:15] <zachtib> hey, I have a quick question about ubuntu/debian packaging, is this a proper place to ask?
[19:16] <TheLordOfTime> zachtib:  this would be one place, #ubuntu-packaging might be a good place also.  if for Debian, you might be looking for the debian mentors on oftc.
[19:16] <TheLordOfTime> :)
[19:16] <zachtib> TheLordOfTime, well, I'm doing this on Ubuntu :P
[19:16] <TheLordOfTime> but i get my in-depth packaging help here, or on debian-mentors when i'm packaging for Debian on Ubuntu :P
[19:16]  * TheLordOfTime is not a MOTU, nor a packaging expert, btw.
[19:17] <zachtib> so, I'm packaging a program for work, and it's build process is kind of cludgy, but it seems to compile ok...
[19:18] <zachtib> the auto_install doesn't work, though, so I'd like to write my own inside of debian/rules. I've found override_dh_auto_install, but I can't seem to make use of env variables from inside debian/rules
[19:18] <tumbleweed> zachtib: export them
[19:19] <zachtib> tumbleweed, oh, ok
[19:19] <tumbleweed> the override_dh_auto_install will run in a sub-make
[19:19] <zachtib> let me see if that works...
[19:20] <zachtib> tumbleweed, to clarify, I want to define this variable from within the override, and use it on subsequent lines in that override
[19:21] <zachtib> or should I just do that at the top of the file?
[19:21] <tumbleweed> zachtib: ah
[19:21] <tumbleweed> so you can't really do that, because each line gets executed in a separate shell
[19:21] <tumbleweed> if you want to have a multi-line chunk executed in the same shell, put ;\ at the end of each line
[19:22] <zachtib> ah
[19:22] <tumbleweed> (; for bash, \ to tell make that you're continuing the line)
[19:22] <tumbleweed> and do start it with a set -e; or you'll not abort on errors
[19:22] <tumbleweed> don't forget you also need to escape $ for shell variables. So you'll be saying $$foo
[19:23] <zachtib> ok, that I did not know
[19:24] <tumbleweed> $(make_variable) $$shell_variable
[19:25] <zachtib> export DESTDIR=$(shell pwd)/debian/appname;\                                     mkdir -p $$(DESTDIR)/usr/bin
[19:25] <zachtib> so, that didn't work =/
[19:25] <tumbleweed> no need to export it there
[19:26] <tumbleweed> btw, you can use $(CURDIR)/debian/appname
[19:26] <zachtib> ok
[19:26] <tumbleweed> or even simple, just put usr/bin in debian/appname.dirs
[19:26] <tumbleweed> dh_installdirs reads that
[19:27] <zachtib> well, the script continues, I do want that variable later
[19:28] <zachtib> i'm still getting DESTDIR: not found
[19:28] <tumbleweed> $$DISTDIR not $$(DESTDIR)
[19:28] <zachtib> oh
[19:28] <jtaylor> I'd define it globally as a make variable
[19:29]  * tumbleweed wouldn't be suprised if dh_auto_install already defines it
[19:29] <jtaylor> but I think you might be better of trying to coax dh_install to do the right thing
[19:29] <tumbleweed> +1 on that
[19:29] <zachtib> at some point, I need to just fix our build system
[19:30] <jtaylor> that would be best of course :)
[19:30] <zachtib> it's a cludgy cmake script that only handles building the application binary
[19:30] <tumbleweed> if it's just copying things to the rigth places, dh_install makes that trivial
[19:30] <zachtib> and doesn't install any of the related files
[19:30] <tumbleweed> (but dh_install doesn't help with renaming)
[19:31] <zachtib> I really need to better learn what it's capable of
[19:32] <tumbleweed> see its manpage
[19:32] <zachtib> but for a friday afternoon, I'll be content to just get this done >.<
[19:32] <jtaylor> a lot since it can execute scripts :)
[19:38] <zachtib> well, that takes care of my super-hacky approach... maybe next week I'll learn how to do it properly
[19:39] <zachtib> I should probably just change the project to use autotools and then dh can do everything on its own
[19:45] <jtaylor> it can do that for cmake too
[19:48] <zachtib> I know
[19:48] <zachtib> so, another question, is there a way to use dch inside of a script (so it won't open the editor after inc the  version number)?
[19:50] <zachtib> nvm, found it
[21:39] <ESphynx> tumbleweed: are you a DD too? :)
[21:40] <tumbleweed> ESphynx: yes
[21:40] <ESphynx> tumbleweed: oh :) did you notice I fixed the ecere package? :P
[21:40] <ESphynx> Just in case you were interested :P Guess you guys are busy , but I would really like it it made it into QQ :P
[21:40]  * tumbleweed hasn't been paying much attention to the world recently, I'm afraid :)
[21:41] <ESphynx> tumbleweed: http://mentors.debian.net/package/ecere-sdk  ... also uploaded it with Ubuntu pacakging to the Launchpad bug
[21:42] <tumbleweed> it's a complex package, non-trivial to review
[21:42] <ESphynx> for sure.
[21:42]  * tumbleweed leaves a tab open, maybe I can find some time
[21:42] <ESphynx> Ah nice :)
[21:42] <ESphynx> time is but a dimension of the world we live in :)
[21:42] <ESphynx> it is not as it seems :P
[21:43] <ESphynx> yet it does feel sparse :(
[21:43] <ESphynx> specially when you want to do so much :)
[23:20]  * micahg wonders if a GUI backport requesting tool would be good, based on how hard it was for the user in -packaging to get a backport request
[23:20]  * micahg thinks he has himself a EOY vacation project :)
[23:23]  * micahg guesses Qt wouldn't be allowed in ubuntu-dev-tools, a separate source maybe :)
[23:25]  * micahg guesses it could be done in pygtk, maybe that's the way to go...