[05:31] <Kilos> morning all
[05:32] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[05:32] <Kilos> you early
[05:32] <jrgns> morning
[05:32] <jrgns> i'm usually in at 7 :)
[05:33] <jrgns> so a bit late, actually
[05:33] <jrgns> i just don't speak up until later
[05:33] <Kilos> ah
[05:33] <Kilos> lol
[05:33] <jrgns> but thnx for noticing :P
[05:33] <Kilos> hehe
[05:33] <Kilos> im the greeting bot you know
[05:34] <jrgns> hehe
[05:34] <jrgns> so nice to be greeted by an automaton
[05:34] <Kilos> lol
[05:34] <Kilos> better than being lurked apon
[05:35] <jrgns> hehe
[06:16] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[06:17] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[06:17] <Squirm> morning
[06:18] <Kilos> morning Squirm 
[06:18] <Kilos> wish i could tab complete morning
[06:19] <Kilos> i often type mor tab
[06:21] <Squirm> yep
[06:22] <Squirm> it's bad, Im about to start relying on tab completion in bash
[06:22] <Squirm> it is actually quite handy
[06:22] <Squirm> until you start pushing tab more times to try and find something than it would have done just to type it out
[06:23] <Trixar_za> Well, I do cheat and sometimes type something wrong just so I can use xchat to correct it for me :P
[06:26] <Kilos> lol
[06:29] <Kilos> tell me what i use by method and credential please
[06:30] <Kilos> authenticate <account> [on source] using <method> [<credential>]
[06:30] <Squirm> Kilos: what's that for?
[06:30] <Kilos> account=Kilos  and source=freenode
[06:30] <Kilos> for my ibid
[06:32] <Squirm> I don't know
[06:33] <Kilos> magespawn, and inetpro know but they will be a while still
[06:33] <Kilos> the pro is still asleep
[06:33] <Kilos> and mage most likely chsing rhinos
[06:33] <Kilos> chasing
[06:34] <Kilos> hehe deegee__  where might drussel be
[06:37] <Squirm> Kilos: is that in the config file?
[06:37] <Kilos> its to get permissions Squirm 
[06:37] <Kilos> Maaz, permissions
[06:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Permissions: none
[06:38] <Kilos> Maaz, how do i use auth
[06:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Adds and removes authentication credentials and permissions. You can use it like this:
[06:38] <Maaz>   authenticate <account> [on source] using <method> [<credential>]
[06:38] <Maaz>   auth <credential>
[06:38] <Maaz>   (grant|revoke|remove) <permission> (to|from|on) <username> [when authed]
[06:38] <Maaz>   permissions [for <username>]
[06:38] <Maaz>   list permissions
[06:38] <Kilos> those things Squirm 
[06:38] <Kilos> first one
[06:38] <Kilos> lol my bot says shes not my bitch
[06:39] <Trixar_za> He probably didn't see it if he's using the same ZNC version as me :P
[06:39] <Trixar_za> Kind of flooded us out and the ZNC just detached from the channel for a bit
[06:39] <Trixar_za> :p
[06:39] <Kilos> eish
[06:39] <Squirm> Trixar_za: what's that?
[06:40] <Squirm> I wasn't dtached
[06:41] <Squirm> s/dtached/detached
[06:41] <Kilos> Trixar_za, who is he?
[06:42] <Trixar_za> Maybe my flood module is loaded while yours isn't
[06:46] <Squirm> Kilos: don't mind us
[06:46] <Squirm> we go way back
[06:46] <Kilos> lol
[06:46] <Kilos> oh you and Trixar_za ?
[06:47] <Trixar_za> Yeah, we've known each other for years
[06:47] <Kilos> lol
[06:47] <Squirm> yet I've never met him
[06:47] <Trixar_za> Like 6 years now
[06:47] <Kilos> thats the joy of the internet
[06:47] <Squirm> yeah, get sick of a friend, just close irc
[06:47] <Squirm> :P
[06:48] <Trixar_za> Eh, I'm just online to feed my webcomic addiction
[06:49] <Squirm> Kilos: which are lame, I might add
[06:49] <Squirm> I havent even laughed at xkcd for a while :/
[06:50] <Kilos> lol
[06:50] <Kilos> you like commics Trixar_za ?
[06:50] <Kilos> comics as well
[06:50]  * Squirm kicks his MikroTik enclosure
[06:50] <Squirm> 8, 5cm long screws
[06:51] <Kilos> Trixar_za, if you get bored help fix nm
[06:51] <Trixar_za> Well, Go Get a Roomie is hilarios
[06:52] <Trixar_za> I so need to reboot
[06:52] <Trixar_za> libao got updated and every time somebody says my nickname, it kind of slows down the system
[06:52] <Trixar_za> :P
[06:52] <Kilos> ouch
[06:53]  * jrgns is tempted to type Trixar_za a couple of times...
[06:53] <Kilos> lol
[06:53] <Squirm> jrgns: like this? Trixar_za 
[06:53] <Squirm> oh hai Trixar_za 
[06:53] <Squirm> sup Trixar_za ?
[06:53] <jrgns> no, more like Trizar_za
[06:53] <jrgns> Trixar_za Trixar_za
[06:53] <Trixar_za> :/
[06:53]  * Squirm quickly makes a while loop
[06:53] <Squirm> while True:
[06:53] <Squirm> :P
[06:53] <Kilos> shame thats nasty
[06:54] <jrgns> Squirm: while (Trixar_za is online)
[06:54] <Squirm> Kilos: he'd do the same :/
[06:54] <Kilos> he will be in 486 mode now now
[06:54] <Kilos> poor Trixar_za 
[06:55] <Squirm> :O
[06:58] <Squirm> I'll chat later
[06:58] <Squirm> going to put up this MikroTik and hope it works
[06:58] <Squirm>  nevermind
[06:58] <Squirm> I'll do it later
[06:58] <Squirm> :P
[06:59] <Kilos> good luck Squirm 
[07:04] <Kilos> yo plustwo 
[07:07] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[07:09] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:23] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[07:29] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[07:42] <superfly> happy birthday tumbleweed!
[07:44] <Kilos> happy birthday tumbles
[07:45] <Kilos> how young now?
[07:47] <tumbleweed> I calculate 28. Thanks
[07:49] <superfly> tumbleweed: you must be right, Facebook agrees with you :-P
[07:50] <Kilos> hehe
[07:50] <tumbleweed> it passed the "even year, even age" parity test, too
[07:51]  * tumbleweed has spent whole years believing I was a year older than I actually was. Presumably this only gets worse with age
[07:51] <superfly> tumbleweed: I dunno, I have delusions of immaturity ;-)
[07:51] <tumbleweed> heh
[07:54] <Trixar_za> I keep thinking I'm 28
[07:54] <Trixar_za> and I'm 27
[07:54] <Trixar_za> so I know the feeling
[07:54] <Trixar_za> :p
[07:54] <Trixar_za> I'm running a year fast
[07:55] <Trixar_za> Doesn't help when you have to quickly tell people your age and you have to correct yourself
[08:08] <Kilos> authenticate <account> [on source] using <method> [<credential>]
[08:09] <Kilos> tumbleweed, what do i use for method and credentials please
[08:10] <Kilos> i know ive done it before but cant for the life of me work it out 
[08:11] <Kilos> and on ibid vhata fights me
[08:11] <tumbleweed> don't worry about him :)
[08:11] <tumbleweed> generally, you don't need to use password authentication. Ibid will check if you have authenticated with nickserv
[08:12] <Kilos> lol its just to refrain from being nasty back
[08:12] <tumbleweed> I'll tell him to be nice to you :P
[08:12] <Kilos> she keepstelling me she aint my bitch
[08:12] <Kilos> ok ill go there again ty
[08:13] <Kilos> just gotta inject a sickish sheep first
[08:14] <tumbleweed> Kilos: looks like you are registered with nickserv, here
[08:14] <tumbleweed> so your bot should recognise you
[08:14] <tumbleweed> what does it say in the log?
[08:14] <plustwo> hi Kilos o/
[08:15] <plustwo> hi everyone
[08:18] <Kilos> tumbleweed, in ibid.ini?
[08:20] <tumbleweed> that's the config file
[08:20] <tumbleweed> ibid.log
[08:21] <Kilos> dont see a file like that in home
[08:22] <Kilos> where is the cheeky bot hiding it?
[08:24] <Kilos> got it
[08:24] <Kilos> that dash search works
[08:26] <Kilos> tumbleweed, http://slexy.org/view/s2MaMvglOe
[08:28] <Kilos> very long sorry
[08:33] <tumbleweed> 2012-08-17 07:52:47,870 INFO core.auth: Checking admin permission for None/5 (Kilos!~miles@8ta-150-203-82.telkomadsl.co.za): no
[08:33] <tumbleweed> there's the problem. it doesn't recognise you at all
[08:34] <Kilos> oh my
[08:34] <tumbleweed> when you ran ibid-setup, it lets you configure the first admin user. you must have got something wrong
[08:34] <Kilos> shall i run ibid-setup again?
[08:35] <tumbleweed> yes
[08:35] <Kilos> ok
[08:35] <tumbleweed> you might have to delete it's database first, for it to work
[08:35] <Kilos> thats the file with the funny thing in it hey?
[08:36] <Kilos> ya ibid.db
[08:38] <tumbleweed> yeah :)
[08:39] <Kilos> lol now i cant kill her to restart
[08:39] <Kilos> cheeky thing
[11:47] <Kilos> tumbleweed, sorry to bug you but what is happening with that network manager bug. i see no advice replies or anything there.
[11:47] <Kilos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1033579?comments=all
[11:47] <Kilos> is that guy dave on long leave
[11:49] <Kilos> and ty for the help this morning
[13:08] <Kilos> oh my drussell that be you that commented in that bug
[13:08] <Kilos> sorry
[13:08] <Kilos> looks like its either not even being noticed at all on that link
[13:10] <Kilos> Superhuman, you here
[13:10] <Kilos> ?
[13:11] <drussell> Kilos: yup, I just changed it so that it's no longer marked as "incomplete" and waiting for info, as from what I've seen you've given all that's been asked for
[13:11] <drussell> Kilos: one sec
[13:12] <drussell> Kilos: if you can just confirm based on the comment I've just made, that'd be good
[13:12] <Kilos> and its not new, there are hundreds or thousands of peeps that have nm probs with 12.04
[13:13] <Kilos> ok i go see
[13:14] <drussell> Kilos: one other thing... can you gather some additional debug information as described here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager
[13:15] <Kilos> ok lemme try that
[13:15] <Kilos> ty
[13:17] <Kilos> drussell, can i do that debugging? because I am still on nm as installed from cd. have put a hold on any updates
[13:17] <Kilos> to nm that is
[13:18] <drussell> Kilos: have you identified the exact package which causes the problem?
[13:18] <drussell> Kilos: or have you just blocked all package updates?
[13:18] <Kilos> network-manager does see the modem once it has been updated
[13:19] <Kilos> i have blocked all updates to nm from the beginning. mine is as the cd installed it
[13:20] <Kilos> im sure if the enable broadband would stay enabled the thing would work
[13:20] <Kilos> but after updating it doesnt even see when you plug the modem in
[13:21] <Kilos> i ran sudo aptitude hold network-manager and also forced nm to stay at the installed package in synaptic
[13:21] <Kilos> drussell, ^^
[13:23] <drussell> Kilos: ok so, if you make sure you have the CD versions of the package handy... remove the package hold, install the new versions, gather the debug logs, and then replace the newer versions with the older versions
[13:23] <Kilos> im scared to even try a nm update. took 4 clean installs to get it working as is now
[13:23] <drussell> Kilos: ahhh
[13:23] <drussell> Kilos: ok, I understand
[13:24] <Kilos> where do i actually fing the package that comes with the cd?
[13:24] <Kilos> find
[13:25] <Kilos> then i can put it on my desktop and use gdebi to install it maybe after doing a purge on the updated one if it doesnt work
[13:26] <Kilos> or how can i just force the enable broadband to stay enabled
[13:31] <Kilos> i dont think the nm package off the cd is in archives
[13:34] <Kilos> drussell, ^^
[13:38] <drussell> Kilos: the files are all on the cd, if you have that just get them from there
[13:39] <Kilos> lol i have tried. will look again
[13:39] <Kilos> dunno in which folder it might even be
[13:42] <drussell> Kilos: I'll take a look a bit later, just buried under other things right now ;o)
[13:43] <Kilos> ty drubin np
[13:43] <Kilos> eish
[13:43] <Kilos> ty drussell 
[13:52] <jrgns> cheers all, have a good weekend
[13:52] <Kilos> cheers jrgns you too
[13:52] <Kilos> see you monday
[15:42] <Kilos> hmm these guests that dont even greet
[15:43] <Kilos> inetpro, jy was baie stil vandag
[16:28] <zeref> heeehhh, package will be built in 4 days, o0o0
[17:27] <Kilos> lo zeref Tonberry 
[17:27] <Tonberry> hi
[17:31] <Kilos> ton how does one open a .deb package to see whats inside
[17:32] <Tonberry> archive manager?
[17:32] <Kilos> will that let you look inside?
[17:32] <Tonberry> i think so
[17:32] <Kilos> or just go dump it somewhere
[17:33] <Tonberry> i think it just opens it like any compressed file
[17:34] <Kilos> ok im looking
[17:34] <Tonberry> or whatever the normal archive opening thing in ubuntu is called
[17:34] <Tonberry> think its called archive manager
[17:35] <Kilos> whew theres lots stuff in there when you extract it
[17:36] <Kilos> oh no im looking at my desktop in there somewhere
[17:37] <Kilos> ah now we getting there
[17:38] <Kilos> lotsa conf files in each folder
[17:42] <Kilos> would something like this turn off the auto connect function
[17:42] <Kilos> no-auto-default=00:0F:EA:D3:A5:BA,
[17:42]  * Tonberry shrugs
[17:43] <Kilos> hehe
[17:51] <Squirm> tired
[17:52] <Squirm> Kilos: what you looking for?
[17:53] <Kilos> im looking for something that will make the enable mobile broadband be enabled all the time
[17:53] <Kilos> not have to do it manually every startup
[17:54] <Kilos> same as the enable network is enabled with default
[17:56] <Squirm> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/howto_share_mobile_broadband_ubuntu_using_only_gui
[17:56] <Squirm> if you edit your broadband properties
[17:56] <Squirm> it looks like there is a "Connect Automatically" check box
[17:57] <Kilos> are you looking at that link Squirm ?
[17:57] <Squirm> yep
[17:58] <Kilos> will take me a while to read all that
[17:58] <Squirm> no
[17:58] <Squirm> look at the Modem Setup
[17:58] <Kilos> ok
[17:58] <Squirm> Tick the box to "Connect automatically", hit "Apply" and you are ready for the next stage of the setup, as in Figure 3.
[17:59] <Kilos> i have done that 20 times it doesnt remember it because it needs to first have enable mobile broadband to be ticked
[18:00] <Squirm> ah
[18:00] <Kilos> im sure the whole prob hangs around that enable mobile broasdband
[18:00] <Kilos> if i can find a way to enable it permanently im sure it will work
[18:01] <Kilos> even worked finein 11.04
[18:01] <Kilos> its the 12.04 that breaks completely after the first network-manager update
[18:02] <Kilos> then it doesnt even see there is a usb modem in anymore
[18:07] <Kilos> maybe its a managed=false that should be =true or something like that
[18:13] <Squirm> ok
[18:13] <Squirm> well, I'm off
[18:13] <Kilos> night Squirm 
[18:14] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:14] <Squirm> meh
[18:14] <Squirm> who said I'm going to sleep
[18:14] <Squirm> :P
[18:14] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <Kilos> ok enjoy
[18:14] <Kilos> you said tired earlier member
[18:30] <Kilos> funny lad, tired but not gonna sleep
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: ek is altyd stil
[18:33] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:34] <Kilos> even wanneer jy lawaai ne
[18:34] <Kilos> my bot is reg inetpro 
[18:34] <inetpro> Kilos: was daar iets verkeerd?
[18:34] <Kilos> maar dis die ou dom een
[18:35] <Kilos> ja man dit het nog nie op 12.04 gewerk nie
[18:35] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[18:35] <Kilos> of met permissions in elk geval
[18:35] <Kilos> kon nie admin kry nie
[18:36] <Kilos> nou net network manager dan werk als
[18:37] <Kilos> inetpro, daar is nog niks nuut by agenda nie
[18:37] <Kilos> jy slaap te veel
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: ai
[18:38] <Kilos> lmga
[18:38] <inetpro> weet nie of ek Maandag sal by wees nie
[18:38] <inetpro> te veel ander prioriteite
[18:39] <inetpro> so #ubuntu-za is tans minder belangrik op my agenda
[18:39] <Kilos> ai
[18:39] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry
[18:39] <Kilos> kinder goed?
[18:40] <Kilos> familie goed?
[18:40] <inetpro> wel, dit en werk en ander 
[18:40] <Kilos> moenie worry nie ons sal vir jou n paar dinge doen
[18:40] <inetpro> in die aande is ek moeg
[18:40] <Kilos> jy word oud nou
[18:41] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:42] <Kilos> is als darem ok inetpro ?
[18:42] <inetpro> Kilos: ja alles piekfyn dankie
[18:42] <Kilos> whew
[18:42] <inetpro> geen nuwe pyne nie :-)
[18:42] <Kilos> gedink jy gaan miskien tronk toe of iets
[18:42] <inetpro> sjoe
[18:42] <inetpro> nee, net te besig
[18:42] <Kilos> of die mafia is agter jou aan
[18:43] <inetpro> geen tyd vir sulke nonsies nie 
[18:43] <Kilos> hehe
[18:46] <inetpro> Kilos: ek dink dis dalk ons aircon by die werk wat my die meeste pla
[18:46] <inetpro> maak warm in plaas van koel
[18:46] <Kilos> is dit so gestel of stukkend
[18:46] <Kilos> gas uitgeloop
[18:47] <inetpro> gereeld stukkend
[18:47] <inetpro> so oud soos die berge
[18:47] <Kilos> eish
[18:47] <inetpro> en hulle wil die ding nie ordentlik regmaak nie
[18:47] <Kilos> op n tyd het ek hulle reg gemaak
[18:47] <Kilos> en yskaste
[18:48] <Kilos> maar alle gereedskap verkoop nou
[18:48] <Kilos> hulle hoop julle sit n nuwe een in
[18:48] <Kilos> lang pond
[18:49] <inetpro> as ek so kyk is die ding deesdae baie afhankli van mense om gereeld te kyk dat alles funksioneer
[18:50] <Kilos> ja maar aircon is ssos n yskas, as goed herstel hou di jare
[18:50] <Kilos> net skoon hou
[18:54] <Kilos> inetpro, ek gaan probeer om hierdie nvidia server settings te laat doen , as dit weer gaan na 640x480 resolusie sien ek jou miskien more
[18:54] <Kilos> dit het nie n keuse gegee lass keer nie
[18:54] <Kilos> laas
[18:55] <Kilos> dis n auto ding lyk my
[18:56] <Kilos> dit se net stop x en start x weer
[18:56] <Kilos> maar ek moet reboot om dit te doen
[18:58] <inetpro> Kilos: die ene is een van daai groot sentrale stelsels vir die hele gebou
[18:58] <Kilos> eish hulle is duur
[18:58] <inetpro> presies
[18:58] <Kilos> onderhoud is belangrik
[18:59] <inetpro> en die mense wat veronderstel is om na die goed kyk is net nie elke dag daar nie
[19:00] <inetpro> elke vloer het 'n groot kamer van filters en goed
[19:00] <inetpro> en die kamers is toegesluit
[19:00] <Kilos> ai
[19:00] <inetpro> so geen manier om self te gaan kyk nie
[19:01] <inetpro> enigste manier van verligting is om vensters oop te maak en hoop dat iemand iewers weer gaan kom om reg te maak
[19:01] <Kilos> eish
[19:04] <Kilos> nag julle. lekker slaap
[19:04] <Kilos> night you english guys too
[19:09] <inetpro> eish, and gone is he
[19:10]  * inetpro was just disconnected from the interwebs