[00:03] <shadeslayer> I have no idea why he has a ui file in there
[00:04] <shadeslayer> crazy people I tell you
[01:02] <ScottK> apachelogger_: What release is the fix you committed for https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296944 included in?
[02:31] <valorie> yay for JontheEchidna!
[02:31] <JontheEchidna> thanks :)
[02:31] <valorie> is quantal alpha really stable enough to use right now?
[02:31] <valorie> I see that Mamarok is already in it
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's probably past the catasrophic failure point
[02:32] <valorie> apachelogger_ told me to install the quantal cmake, so I wonder if just upgrading now makes sense
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> like when dpkg broke before quantal alpha
[02:32] <valorie> maybe I should do a backup first
[02:32] <valorie> I guess that's always wise
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> I ended up removing every package trying to fix dpkg :P
[02:33] <valorie> I'm not always wise
[02:33] <valorie> you are the guy to do that though!
[02:33] <valorie> I'm so happy to see the team getting so much support
[02:33] <valorie> KDE and Kubuntu are gonna rock
[02:39] <valorie> oh, is the datacenter move going to affect the upgrade files?
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> well, just that build times for PPA packages are now upwards of a day
[02:41] <valorie> wowzers
[02:41] <valorie> maybe after the move they will be snappier?
[02:41] <valorie> I assume the sysadmins are doing some improvements as they do the move
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> one can hope ;-)
[02:42] <valorie> sure
[02:42] <valorie> I hang out in the kde sysadmin chan, and they are awesome
[02:42] <valorie> in general, I have the utmost respect for sysadmins
[02:42] <valorie> they are much under-appreciated
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> agreed
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> 2 and a quarter years ago I did some IT interning
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> it can be a bit stressfull
[02:53] <ScottK> I once took a four how maintenance window to do a hard drive change on a system.  I figured it was a 30 minute job, but being cautious, I scheduled more than I needed.
[02:54] <ScottK> I got the whole thing together and discovered that the hard drive controller I had with the disk drives I had, wouldn't work with whatever Linux kernel I had.
[02:55] <ScottK> Fortunately, I had a stack of parts for a new server I was going to build soon.
[02:55] <ScottK> I turned to that, built the new box, installed Ubuntu Server, configured all the services, and had it in operation just before the 4 hour window ended.
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> nice
[02:56] <ScottK> Actually it wasn't supposed to be a new server.  It was supposed to be a new desktop for my wife.
[02:56] <ScottK> Not the most pleasant conversation we've ever had when she got home from work that day.
[02:57] <ScottK> She understood, but wasn't thrilled.
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> my mother doesn't like computer maintenance. she always blames new problems on the previous repair.
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> my dad would set her up with Linux since he hates doing windows maintenance, but she needs proprietary finance apps for accounting stuff she does...
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> there was one time in the late 90's when my dad introduced her to xboing and a jewel-stacking tetris clone on one of the old Redhat releases.
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> She got addicted to those, and as a result dual-booted linux for a whlie
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> (she loves facebook games these days)
[03:18] <valorie> she can always run win in a VM
[03:18] <valorie> for the accounting apps
[03:19] <valorie> ok, should update the netbook so I have a standby computer, do the backups and then the upgrade
[03:19] <valorie> bbiab
[03:37] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: RE: proprietary finance apps - the 2 top ones, Peachtree & Quickbooks, both have web based versions that work just fine with Linux, and are actually better than the client versions
[03:37] <nixternal> i use quickbooks myself, w/o a single windows computer on my network
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: it's for a church, the division of which the church belongs to paid one of their kids to make some crappy software in what's probably VB.NET.
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> nepotism + church = bad software
[03:39] <nixternal> hahahahaha, now that sucks
[03:39] <nixternal> figured it was one of the only 2 that are any good
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> otherwise she uses Quickbooks
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> lol
[03:39] <nixternal> i have tried all of the open source ones out there. they don't even compare
[03:40] <nixternal> i would rather be stricken with a lifetime of windows 3.1 than have to use an opensource accounting solution
[03:41] <nixternal> i swear, open source accounting and project management apps are so over engineered it isn't even funny. just google open source project management & have fun. crm is the same as well
[03:42] <JontheEchidna> speaking of windows 3.1, she used Quicken back then on Windows 3.1. Made this memorable beep whenever she would enter something
[03:42] <JontheEchidna> bobeep!
[03:43] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:43] <JontheEchidna> probably used the system bell to do that
[05:22]  * ScottK waves to nixternal .
[06:42] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1038363] Audex Crashes on any attempt to edit rip profiles @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1038363 (by GlassGhost)
[18:10]  * nixternal waves back to ScottK 
[19:18] <shadeslayer> d__ed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[19:19] <shadeslayer> I think you shouldn't exceed UserInterfaceFreeze, try and target Feature Freeze though
[19:36] <d__ed> legend, I was shown this before (then promptly forgot)
[20:36] <mparillo> Is it common for companies to block irc ports from work computers? I was able to use http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#kubuntu-devel, but not Quassel.
[21:06] <mparillo> or is it not my company's network, but this item in the freenode FAQ ...
[21:06] <mparillo> Open proxies are blocked because they are often used as gateways to the network for disruptive behavior that is difficult to stop. There is nothing to uniquely identify a proxied user. For VPNs and similar anonymizing services we can (and do) mitigate this by requiring SASL. This allows a user to voluntarily provide a unique identifier that can be used to mitigate abuse if necessary. 
[21:18] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1004593] LFE disappears on 5.1, 4.0 has LFE channel, high pitched squeals (bit shifting?), several ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1004593 (by Abraham Mara)
[22:26] <valorie> mparillo: probably best to ask in a freenode staff channel
[22:27] <valorie> you can /msg alis list *freenode* to get a list of chans
[23:01] <mparillo> valorie: TY
[23:18] <gotwig> hey, how can I install kde4 devel libraries?
[23:21] <gotwig> kdelibs5-dev ?
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> gotwig: that will be the most basic ones, yes. What are you trying to build?
[23:23] <gotwig> dragon player 3..
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> ok.I don't know what additional development libraries that will need
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> but if an application is already packaged, you can run "sudo apt-get build-dep packagename"
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> not too much help since dragon3 isn't packaged tho :P
[23:24] <gotwig> even its libraries are not packaged yet.
[23:38] <gotwig> dude, I just need g++ xD