[17:26] <SuperEngineer> never seen one before
[17:26] <jacobw> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroglossum_stellatarum
[17:26]  * SuperEngineer opens that link
[17:27]  * SuperEngineer loves the name Macroglossum stellatarum - that summed it up straight away!
[17:32] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: nope- wasn't that one, no audible humming noise, no orange flashes on wings
[17:33] <SuperEngineer> following links - it appears it was however, some sort of Sphinx moth
[17:34]  * SuperEngineer has been bleesed by a sphinx?  ;)
[17:34] <SuperEngineer> *blessed
[17:36] <jacobw> ooh that's pretty
[17:36] <Azelphur> *facedesk* lodger just showed me a newspaper clipping telling everyone that the ipad 2 is better than the nexus 7
[17:36] <Azelphur> this is why I never read newspapers, yay for uneducated crap
[17:38] <SuperEngineer> Azelphur: suggestion - teach yourself [& more so the *facedesk* lodger?] self censorship!!!
[17:38] <Azelphur> haha
[17:38] <Azelphur> self censorship?
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lodger_(TV_story) ?
[17:38] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: haters gonna hate :P
[17:38] <SuperEngineer> let their brain know as well the difference between reading truth & rumour
[17:39] <Azelphur> SuperEngineer: yea, I just pulled up side by side specs on gsmarena and said look, if this newspaper had done any research at all it'd be obvious
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> If you already have an ipad/phone and have bought apps, ipad might be a better choice
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> if you already have android stuff, go for the nexus
[17:40] <SuperEngineer> *self censorship  - the art of ignoring all the c**p - sorry, rubbish, that's out there
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> If you have neither.. go by the specs/your anticipated future needs
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> how hard can it be
[17:40] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nah they are talking about buying one straight, and the ipad 2 being £330, and the nexus 7 being £200 (It's actually £170)
[17:41] <Azelphur> and even if you do have a stockpile of apps, it's still economically unsensible to buy an ipad 2 over a nexus 7
[17:41] <jacobw> if it's a newspaper it must be true
[17:41] <Azelphur> I doubt many people have £160 worth of apps haha
[17:41] <Azelphur> jacobw: yea, that's what people think :(
[17:41] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: lol
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: but if it's on the internet is MUST also be true
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> how can it be true and false at the same time?!
[17:41] <Azelphur> indeed :P
[17:41] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: the world's gone mad
[17:42] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: also, why compare the iPad2 that is a year older?
[17:42] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: double lol
[17:42] <dogmatic69> like comparing a i7 with a 486
[17:42] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: I have no idea, but that's what htey did
[17:42] <jacobw> i hate that phrase so much
[17:43] <Azelphur> the funny part is even the ipad 3 vs the nexus 7, the nexus 7 still beats the ipad 3 in a lot of important areas while being less than half the price
[17:43] <SuperEngineer> anyone else tried "Zorin OS"... damned if it'll run [for me] in a vm!  giving up methinks
[17:44] <SuperEngineer> if I was really that bothered btw - I'd check the md5
[17:44] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: the iPad3 kicks ass in pretty much every category http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4620&idPhone2=4850
[17:44] <ali1234> isn't zorin the bad guy from that james bond movie?
[17:44] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: really? dual core 1ghz > quad core 1.3?
[17:44] <ali1234> didn't he have a space laser or something?
[17:44] <Azelphur> powervr > geforce?
[17:45] <Azelphur> same ram = kicking ass? :p
[17:45] <ali1234> moonraker?
[17:45] <penguin42> Azelphur: nice display
[17:45] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: zorin might the the jb bad guy - but curently he's the bad guy on my iso storage partition ;)
[17:45] <Azelphur> penguin42: yep, the ipad 3 has some cool stuff that the nexus 7 doesn't, but it's the same vice versa
[17:46] <Azelphur> and when you consider how much the nexus 7 has over the ipad 3 while still being half the price, it's pretty impressive imo
[17:46] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: *if* android apps can manage using the cores, no.
[17:46] <penguin42> Azelphur: Could be argued 4 cpus and so little ram could be a waste
[17:46] <ali1234> oh right yeah, it's the one where christopher walken wants to sink california with an earthquake machine
[17:46] <Azelphur> penguin42: *shrug* it works great for me, lots of gaming etc :p
[17:46] <Azelphur> been playing GTA 3 on it hehe
[17:47] <SuperEngineer> I'm very tempted at this point to suggest somebody starts up a "download a kindle" website ;)
[17:47] <Azelphur> and tether it to my phone so I get internet everywhere without the extra bill
[17:47] <Azelphur> SuperEngineer: seen download more ram? :P
[17:47] <SuperEngineer> Azelphur: ;)
[17:47] <Azelphur> http://www.downloadmoreram.com/ most useful website ever, highly recommended
[17:48] <dogmatic69> the ipad has a better / bigger screen
[17:49] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: ipad 3 yes, ipad 2 no
[17:49] <penguin42> Azelphur: And doesn't it just have one camera on the nexus ?
[17:49] <dogmatic69> yep
[17:49] <dogmatic69> 1.2mp
[17:49] <Azelphur> penguin42: yes, in the article they are comparing the ipad 2 to the nexus 7 though :)
[17:49]  * AlanBell is on a cable car
[17:50] <dogmatic69> ipad2 == dinosaur tech
[17:50] <Azelphur> yep lol
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> Azelphur:  just done downloading a [failed] zorin iso to sneak a peek, that's enough for my patience for one day
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> IT IS HOT
[17:50] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: MAKE IT COOLER
[17:50] <penguin42> AlanBell: Hmm, that might be an irc first - where?
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: stop calling me hot!
[17:50] <dogmatic69> so compare ipad3, that is still older than the nexus (and better)
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: you're IT?
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> you naughty person you
[17:51] <Myrtti> oh look, it's professor Slughorn from Hogwarts discussing with Indiana Jones on BBC
[17:51] <jacobw> 31.9C here
[17:51] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: I am IT, I am Hot, I am SuperEngineer
[17:51] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[17:52] <jacobw> Super Hot IT?
[17:52] <jacobw> that's not a good acronym :p
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> what does that abbreviate to
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: sorry mate... suffolh beat you
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> *suffolk
[17:53] <jacobw> 32.6 C at 12:54
[17:53]  * jacobw edges suffolk
[17:53] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: hmm -worryingly - I use Hotot for my twitter client - nearly all the initials there in one!
[17:53] <jacobw> (bavaria)
[17:54] <jacobw> :)
[17:54] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: that's a big youch - last time /me was near [but above] those temps - I was in Gambia!
[17:55] <jacobw> hehe
[17:55] <SuperEngineer> loved the heat so much I went back for a 2nd visit 2months later
[17:56] <penguin42> hmm, that reminds me, I hadn't installed yawp
[17:56] <SuperEngineer> ..but then I came back to UK .... brrrrrr
[17:56] <ali1234> we had a power cut last night so when i woke up this morning first thing i wonder is "why is it so quiet?", and next thing was "why is it so cold?"
[17:56] <SuperEngineer> oh the joys of one's travels
[17:57]  * SuperEngineer sends ali1234 a virtual household ups
[17:58] <SuperEngineer> [hope you enjoy the virtual voltage]
[17:58] <penguin42> hmm, yawp says it's 18c - but it feels nicer
[18:07] <SuperEngineer> Zorin - your last chance - I'm wasting DVD on you to see if you'll boot live - if you don't - get your darn download sorted - uupc plug or not.
[18:07] <AlanBell> I am on a boat
[18:08]  * SuperEngineer is jealous of AlanBell 
[18:08] <christel> looooooooveboaaaat
[18:08] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: das boot?
[18:09] <SuperEngineer> [litery pun there folks]
[18:09] <AlanBell> thames clipper
[18:09]  * SuperEngineer even more jealous - stop it
[18:10] <AlanBell> Emirates cable car is cool
[18:14] <SuperEngineer> the cable car taking you to the peak of mountain in Austria from where you see 3 counties & shi down is pdg as well
[18:14] <SuperEngineer> *countries
[18:14] <SuperEngineer> *ski
[18:15] <SuperEngineer> [damn my keyboarding (lack of) abilty]
[18:18] <christel> wine.. should i drink wine?
[18:18]  * SuperEngineer thinks: cross a river in a cable car or travel topside in a cable car? hmmm... 2nd 1
[18:18]  * brobostigon is.
[18:18]  * brobostigon is christel 
[18:18] <SuperEngineer> christel: yes - it's very hard to eat
[18:18]  * christel nods
[18:23]  * SuperEngineer looks out window - *very* pretty sky
[18:23] <SuperEngineer> complete with hot air balloon
[18:28]  * penguin42 waits for his ice cream to soften
[18:29] <christel> :)
[18:30] <christel> i want ice cream
[18:30] <christel> and hot air balloons
[18:30] <christel> i've always wanted to go in one but i am a wuss :(
[18:31] <penguin42> yeh a hot air balloon would be interesting
[18:31]  * christel nods
[18:31] <penguin42> christel: You think something held up purely by hot air is too risky?
[18:31] <christel> AlanBell: hey there's an event idea!
[18:32] <christel> penguin42: nooo i just don't trust myself not to fall out!
[18:33] <penguin42> christel: Oh I think that's the least of the worries - the biggest problem seems to be them flying into power lines
[18:33] <christel> hehe
[18:34] <SuperEngineer> christel: just think of it as trying a release version odf a distro - you could even call it Quantel Quistel
[18:42] <SuperEngineer> so - trying to see what the Zorin distro looks like - will not load in a vm but copied to a dvd it loads live 1st time on netbook
[18:43] <SuperEngineer>  -what the heck setting do I need to change in VirtualBox?
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> use kvm?
[18:49] <christel> hahaha
[18:49] <christel> <3 SuperEngineer
[18:52] <SuperEngineer> ooo - cruel
[18:52] <SuperEngineer> I blame uupc - they plugged it
[18:53] <SuperEngineer> I just wanted to have a looksee
[18:57] <jacobw> SuperEngineer: it looks like a debian/ubuntu derived desktop distribution based on gnome2
[18:57] <jacobw> SuperEngineer: i'm sure what special about
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> Which HP Microserver was so popular again?
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> The N40L or the N36L? What's the difference anyway?
[18:57] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: There are only two aren't there?
[18:58] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I think one is just a newer than the other; more RAM/CPU I think
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> ah yes
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> newer Turion
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> Not enough power :(
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> Might need to save money for a new PC and repurpose current one then
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> (as a hom VM host)
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> home*
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> on the other hand, faster H.264 encoding++
[19:06] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... zorin [free / base version] - good, but not enough unless you pay methinks - darned if I'm paying to see if I'd even consider a recommendaton
[19:09] <AlanBell> I am on a train!
[19:09]  * MartijnVdS will be on a train tomorrow
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> To the land of the Germans
[19:22] <SuperEngineer> Rumour has it EA Games is up for sale... let's start another rumour... thev've only had to do this because they weren't the ones who joined the Linux community ;)
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[20:15] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: sehr geehrter :)
[20:20] <Azelphur> valve announces major web video innovation, http://steamcommunity.com/groups/NewSteamCommunityBeta/announcements/detail/1639562542651419978 \o/
[21:01] <AlanBell> car, bus, train, tube, DLR, cable car, boat, train, bus, car
[21:01] <penguin42> no plane?
[21:03] <AlanBell> well the emirates cable car likes to think it is a plane
[21:06] <christel> :o
[21:06] <christel> once upon a time i wanted to be an airport when i grew up
[21:06] <christel> i wasn't a very clever child
[21:21]  * SuperEngineer decides it's time for sleepyland - been up since 5am - have fun folks, enjoy.
[21:30] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[21:43] <christel> nn brobostigon :)
[23:18] <zumo__> Good morning interwebs.
[23:20] <zumo__> Anyone have a benchmark tool suggestion?
[23:21] <zumo__> I want to see which of the two machines I have is better. I know what one is better spec wise, But I have a feeling the other machine actually preforms better.
[23:24] <ali1234> depends what you want to test
[23:24] <sam_> hi
[23:25] <penguin42> zumo__: Yes as ali1234 says - depends on what to test, I think phoronix have a whole suite
[23:26] <zumo__> Yea im just looking at that now
[23:26] <ali1234> yeah, but phoronix suite is huge and the results are rather hard to interpret
[23:26] <zumo__> I just need to compare the CPU and probally the memory (I will be using the same sticks so its probally a motherboards use of it id be testing)
[23:27] <zumo__> Yea, I need to see what CPU actually performs better.
[23:27] <ali1234> memtest86 will benchmark your ram bandwidth
[23:27] <zumo__> Ive used memtest86 for checking to see if my ram is good, Beyond that, I have no idea on using the tool correctly
[23:27] <penguin42> zumo__: Well do something you normally do - e.g. if you're a programmer try a big compilation
[23:27] <ali1234> CPU is again difficult to benchmark... it depends what kind of operations
[23:28] <zumo__> The PC's im using are old rubbish, Throw together from bits.
[23:28] <ali1234> maybe you could tell us the two specs, and what operations you think are slower than they should be
[23:29] <zumo__> One machine is an AMD single core clocked at 2Ghz
[23:29] <zumo__> Whilst the other I think its a celeron clocked at 2.9Ghz I think
[23:29] <ali1234> that doesn't mean a great deal... need to know processor family etc
[23:31] <ali1234> cat /proc/cpuinfo | pastebinit
[23:31] <zumo__> The machines had windows on them but they crawled, Can't figure out if its the Ram the CPU or the motherboard, Or how its setup as a whole. Even throwing linux on them felt slower than what I had been used to
[23:31] <ali1234> if you put ubuntu on old machines it won't go fast
[23:31] <penguin42> zumo__: My dad's running an athlon of about 2.2GHz; it's not too bad, but some things suck
[23:31] <zumo__> Thier newer than what I had been using.
[23:31] <penguin42> zumo__: I run Mint with the MATE interface (i.e. Gnome2) on it for him
[23:32] <penguin42> zumo__: One thing to watch out for is that Linux Flash is broken on some Athlon's
[23:32] <zumo__> I just want to use the "fastest" one for web browsing. mainly
[23:32] <ali1234> you also need to check graphics card and probably hard drive speed
[23:32] <penguin42> zumo__: Go for the celeron
[23:33] <ali1234> nvidia driver is great for gaming but dog slow with compiz
[23:33] <ali1234> especially if you have a slow CPU
[23:41] <Azelphur> OT question, I'm thinking about getting a credit card so I can build up a credit rating and have protection for online purchases to use instead of my debit card, any recommendations? I pretty much know nothing about the credit world lol
[23:42] <ali1234> they are all the same
[23:42] <Azelphur> pick the one with the prettiest logo?
[23:42] <ali1234> if you pay it off every month then sure
[23:43] <Azelphur> yea, that's pretty much what I was planning on
[23:43] <Azelphur> can I get points / cashback things? :)
[23:44] <ali1234> sure
[23:44] <ali1234> they are dumb though
[23:44] <ali1234> especially the points
[23:44] <Azelphur> o.O
[23:44] <ali1234> it's always for stuff i would never in a million years want
[23:45] <ali1234> like gym memberships, or topshop
[23:45] <Azelphur> ali1234: rofl, reminds me of when my brother tried to get me to switch to lloyds because they were offering air miles and a free massage
[23:45] <ali1234> air miles i might actually use
[23:45] <Azelphur> I'd be interested in points towards buying gadgetry or something
[23:45] <ali1234> yeah good luck with that
[23:45] <Azelphur> D:
[23:45] <ali1234> maybe oyu can get a amazon or google credit card?
[23:46] <Azelphur> that'd be fun
[23:46] <ali1234> maybe you can find a cash back one
[23:47] <Azelphur> what's the deal with cash back? I spend money and they give me cash sometime later?
[23:47] <ali1234> no idea
[23:47] <ali1234> read the websites?
[23:47] <Azelphur> spose so :)
[23:47] <ali1234> you should get a cash ISA too
[23:48] <Azelphur> ali1234: I looked into those, the interest rates don't seem worth the effort to get it set up
[23:48] <ali1234> the interest rates are tax free though
[23:48] <Azelphur> talking about getting paid £100 a year tops with the amount of money I have
[23:48] <ali1234> that's the whole point
[23:48]  * Azelphur shrugs
[23:48] <ali1234> and, they are worth it
[23:48] <ali1234> i get 3.9% on mine
[23:49] <ali1234> with no minimum amount
[23:49] <Azelphur> yea, that works out at like £80 for me lol
[23:49] <ali1234> you won't get that on any normal savings account
[23:49] <ali1234> also, it is not hard to set up at all
[23:49] <Azelphur> ali1234: I get more than 10x that flipping shares in bitcoin lol, so I figured my time was better spent elsewhere
[23:49] <ali1234> you don't need to do anything
[23:50]  * Azelphur shrugs
[23:50] <Azelphur> it's usually difficult for me to sign up for things like this since I don't have a passport or drivers license
[23:51] <ali1234> well get one?
[23:51] <ali1234> jeez
[23:51] <ali1234> get a passport man
[23:51]  * Azelphur shrugs
[23:52] <ali1234> cash ISA is absolutely the best way to invest for zero risk and zero work beyond setting it up and moving it every couple of years (means writing one letter)
[23:52] <ali1234> it's so good there a yearly limit on how much you can invest in it
[23:52] <Azelphur> spose so :)
[23:53] <Azelphur> ali1234: when I bumped into ISAs I was already into the interest rates I get from bitcoin banks so the whole thing just seemed a bit meh
[23:54] <ali1234> yeah well bitcoin banks are a huge gamble
[23:54] <ali1234> you might as well go to the casino and put everything on red
[23:54] <Azelphur> haha
[23:54] <Azelphur> everybody looses in zero sum games eventually
[23:54] <Azelphur> bitcoin isn't zero sum :)
[23:54] <ali1234> wat
[23:54] <penguin42> Azelphur: The cashback stuffs are often difficult to get; they often have things like 0.25% cashback that drops over time, and only actually gets paid if you spend more than say 10k a year
[23:55] <ali1234> that is by definition not true
[23:55] <Azelphur> penguin42: http://www.aquacard.co.uk/credit-cards/reward-card I found this that looks kinda cool
[23:55] <Azelphur> says 3% on all purchases
[23:55] <Azelphur> but I'm not sure if it's limited to £100 cashback
[23:56] <ali1234> it says "3% on all purchases*"
[23:56] <penguin42> Azelphur: That's pretty good as it goes actually
[23:56] <Azelphur> ali1234:
[23:56] <Azelphur> Representative
[23:56] <Azelphur> 34.9%APR (variable)Apply NowWe believe that sensible spending and careful account management deserve to be rewarded, so we’re offering 3% cashback on all your purchases*. A big bonus if you’ve not been able to get credit before.It’s one of the most generous cashback credit card reward rates available in the UK – and you could be eligible for it!Here’s how the aqua Reward credit card works:Manage your account carefully by paying at least the 
[23:56] <Azelphur> 3.141% or 3.432%34.92% or 39.95% or
[23:56] <Azelphur> 44.94% or 49.92%Cash AdvancesN/A2.840% or 3.432% or
[23:56] <Azelphur> 3.717% or 3.992%39.95% or 49.92% or
[23:56] <Azelphur> 54.95% or 59.95%Balance TransfersN/A2.527% or 2.840% or
[23:56] <Azelphur> 3.141% or 3.432%34.92% or 39.95% or
[23:56] <Azelphur> 44.94% or 49.92%We may apply the standard interest rate to transactions before the end of the special promotion period if in any month you do not make at least your minimum payment by the payment date or if you exceed your credit limit at any time.Interest Free PeriodYou will not pay interest on purchases if you pay your balance in full and on time each month. See section 3.7 of the terms and conditions for full details.There is no interest free period 
[23:56] <Azelphur> InformationYou will not pay interest on new purchases if you pay your balance in full and on time. Otherwise, the period over which interest is charged is as follows: FromUntilPurchasesDate debited to your accountPaid in fullCash AdvancesDate debited to your accountPaid in fullBalance TransfersDate debited to your accountPaid in fullAll Other AmountsDate debited to your accountPaid in fullAllocation Of PaymentsIf you do not pay off your balance in full
[23:56] <Azelphur> Commission0%Balance Transfer Fee3% or minimum £3Cheque Fee3% or minimum £3 (on promotional rates except introductory offer)Copy Statement Fee£5Statement Date
[23:56] <Azelphur> Change FeeN/AProcessing Any Foreign
[23:56] <ali1234> blarg
[23:57] <penguin42> Azelphur: I bet they drop the 3% as soon as the contract lets them
[23:57] <zumo__> Azelphur Try your bank. Avoid capital one or vanquis or anything aimed at building up your credit file. Vanquis will give you a stupidly large limit, Very easy to misuse.
[23:58] <penguin42> Azelphur: Halifax has a 'reward' card that gives you 5 every month you spend over 300
[23:58] <Azelphur> sorry about that, terrible failpaste
[23:59] <Azelphur> ali1234: the * says that it'll be fine as long as I don't exceed my credit limit and make my payments on time