[14:53] <codemaniac> hello team
[14:53] <codemaniac> there is chaos at #ubuntu-in and i would like to bring your notice to some incidents there
[14:54] <codemaniac> people swear at each other at will , and i believe it is tarnishing some local image as well as Ubuntu
[14:55] <codemaniac> there are no active ops present to manage the situation either
[14:56] <Sidewinder1> codemaniac, You may wish to ping someone; ikonia, perhaps.
[14:56] <Sidewinder1> Oops, I think I just did. ;-)
[14:57] <codemaniac> Sidewinder1: thanks .
[14:58] <Sidewinder1> codemaniac, You are aware that there is an #ubuntu-ops channel?
[14:58] <Sidewinder1> You may need to address the issues there.
[14:58] <Fuchs> note that neither the council nor any core ops are on the access list.
[14:58] <Sidewinder1> If no one's here. :)
[14:59] <Fuchs> Sidewinder1: -ops is, as far as I remember, for the core channels. LoCo channels is here, so as far as my memory goes, this is the place
[14:59] <codemaniac> Sidewinder1: i have been redirected from #ubuntu-ops by some  ops there
[14:59] <Fuchs> and there is an active op in there now
[14:59] <Sidewinder1> Fuchs, Regarding #ubuntu-in? If so, I stand corrected. :)
[15:00] <Fuchs> yes
[15:00] <Sidewinder1> codemaniac, Oh, OK; they oughatta' know..
[15:00] <Sidewinder1> OK, thanks Fuchs. I was just trying to be helpful.
[15:01] <Fuchs> Sidewinder1: sure, wasn't meant as an attack. And as said, this is what my memory says
[15:01] <Fuchs> I am not affiliated with the ubuntu operators
[15:01] <Fuchs> anyway, I am in the channel now, as staff is on the ACL, but it appears that there is an active op in there now as well
[15:01] <Sidewinder1> But you're freenode staff, correct?
[15:01] <Fuchs> so I assume it will be resolved :)
[15:01] <Fuchs> yes
[15:02] <codemaniac> Fuchs: yea #freenode staff
[15:02] <codemaniac> :)
[15:03] <Sidewinder1> OK, I'm (obviously) not intimately familiar with the inner-workings of the network or the various channels and namespaces. I'm always learning.. There seems to be so muck. :)
[15:03] <Sidewinder1> much, even.
[15:04] <Sidewinder1> Interesting typo, now that I look at it.. :(
[15:04] <Fuchs> as far as memory serves: #ubuntu-ops is for core channels  (like #ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic etc.), and for the local ones (#ubuntu-in, #ubuntu-de, #ubuntu-fr, ...) there is this one here
[15:04] <codemaniac> Fuchs: thanks for all the info :)
[15:05] <Fuchs> You're welcome
[15:05] <Fuchs> prod us if the problem arises again, but Hobbes` appears to be taking care of it
[15:05] <Fuchs> I'll stay in the channel for a bit and watch
[15:07] <Sidewinder1> Yes, thanks so much for your time and efforts; greatly appreciated.
[15:07] <Tm_T> Fuchs: correct
[15:07] <Fuchs> oh, a Tm_T
[15:08] <Fuchs> Tm_T: to bring it to your attention, #ubuntu-in has an (imo) rather broken access list, the council not being on it and us being the channel founder
[15:08] <Fuchs> Tm_T: maybe council wants to fix that, maybe not
[15:09] <Tm_T> mmm
[15:10] <Fuchs> I don't know your internal guidelines on that, but it stroke me as slightly odd
[15:10] <Tm_T> loco channel, prolly not a place to force access list, but would like to see it following our recommendations
[15:10] <Fuchs> Tm_T: currently the channel is owned by freenode-staff, which at least is slightly odd (it's a pseudo-account)
[15:11] <Fuchs> but anyway, as it is in the #ubuntu-* namespace, if a group contact asks us to hand it over we will
[15:11] <codemaniac> Fuchs: who are group contacts ?
[15:12] <codemaniac> there is ubuntu-in team at launchpad
[15:12] <Fuchs> codemaniac: this information is not public, but those that are and are in here probably noticed :)
[15:12] <codemaniac> Fuchs: thanks
[15:13] <Fuchs> You're welcome
[15:13] <Fuchs> oh, and Group Contacts are global, not for #ubuntu-in :)
[15:13] <Fuchs> but the people on this group might be the right ones to manage the channel. But that I don't know, as said, not (really) affiliated with ubuntu  (slightly untrue, but gives the right picture)
[15:13]  * Sidewinder1 Doesn't even know what a Group Contact is.. :(
[15:14] <Tm_T> hmm, I suppose this is our relevant documentation  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IRC/IrcCouncil/Coordination
[15:14] <Fuchs> Tm_T: it's probably not urgent, I just wanted to bring it to your attention.
[15:14] <Tm_T> Fuchs: ah, noticed now what you said about ownership, thanks
[15:16] <Fuchs> You're welcome