| ESphynx | ‘sup guys ) | 02:06 |
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| micahg | ESphynx: sorry, trying to stick to more mainstream languages ATM :) | 02:56 |
| micahg | ScottK: maybe, I certainly prefer Qt to GTK as I prefer C++ to C | 02:56 |
| ScottK | micahg: Not everything required to run every script in ubuntu-dev-tools is a dependency of the packages (devscripts is similar) so I wouldn't let dependency weight on ubuntu-dev-tools influence your decision. | 02:58 |
| micahg | ScottK: I assume it should be python based though to be able to be in there | 02:58 |
| ScottK | You're more likely to get more help with maintenance and taking advantage of common code in there should be easier. | 02:58 |
| ScottK | So not required, but I think it makes sense. | 02:59 |
| * micahg has been wanting to do a pure Qt app for a while, but in the spirit of not bikeshedding, I think I should do it in PySomething | 02:59 | |
| ScottK | It's your bike shed to paint, so pick your color. | 03:02 |
| JontheEchidna | just be careful that the local home owners association approves of your color choices ;-P | 03:04 |
| JontheEchidna | (to bring the analogy to its aggrivating extreme) | 03:05 |
| codemaniac | hello world | 03:08 |
| JontheEchidna | hello | 03:08 |
| codemaniac | what is the amount of primary memory i wlll require to build up a system for packaging Ubuntu ? | 03:09 |
| codemaniac | would 512 megs be sufficient for building any packages ? | 03:09 |
| micahg | sure, just not stuff like openoffice/chromium in any reasonable amount of time | 03:10 |
| micahg | s/openoffice/libreoffice/ | 03:10 |
| JontheEchidna | firefox too. Last I heard linking the executable takes gigs of RAM to do | 03:10 |
| codemaniac | JontheEchidna: ScottK any advice | 03:10 |
| micahg | ah, yeah, maybe now it does | 03:10 |
| ScottK | codemaniac: More is always better, but that's enough to do most things. | 03:11 |
| JontheEchidna | I did packaging work for 2 years on a computer with 700 MB of RAM | 03:11 |
| JontheEchidna | some larger stuff like Qt took 2 or 3 hours, but it got done | 03:11 |
| ScottK | We build Qt for arm on 512MB systems and that's up there when it comes to package size. | 03:12 |
| codemaniac | ScottK: thanks | 03:12 |
| codemaniac | JontheEchidna: that sounds inspiring and i feel the adrenaline spikes in my system | 03:12 |
| ScottK | IIRC the laptop I used in 2007/08 had 512MB of RAM and I could build almost everything. | 03:13 |
| JontheEchidna | I had the computer with 700-something MB of RAM in '08 and '09 | 03:13 |
| codemaniac | i will be running a ubuntu server , and no GUI | 03:14 |
| JontheEchidna | mine was running a GUI, so I'd imagine it would be comparable to your setup | 03:14 |
| codemaniac | ScottK: how can i test if my packages work or not ? | 03:14 |
| ScottK | Try it and see. | 03:14 |
| ScottK | We build some pretty huge packages for arm on 512MB ram, so it should be fine with a few possible exceptions. | 03:15 |
| codemaniac | ScottK: so in a server with no GUI ,m cannot i build QT/GTK packages ? | 03:15 |
| ScottK | No. It doesn't mean that. | 03:15 |
| ScottK | You can install the packages for build, but not run the UI. Two separate things. | 03:15 |
| codemaniac | i can build but cannot test right ? | 03:16 |
| codemaniac | ScottK: thanks for all the help :) | 03:18 |
| ScottK | Right. | 03:20 |
| xnox | codemaniac: you might struggle with very heavy c++ with many, many, many templates cause that requires a lot of memory due to regressions in gcc. | 03:24 |
| xnox | codemaniac: but most of stuff will be fine =) | 03:24 |
| codemaniac | xnox: as i am just beginning ubuntu packaging i will start with lightweight packages :) | 03:25 |
| codemaniac | then gradually go up for tougher nuts with help of you guys | 03:26 |
| codemaniac | :) | 03:26 |
| xnox | codemaniac: we have plenty of packages, such that you will be able to help with heavy weight stuff as well =) | 03:26 |
| ESphynx | micahg: I was teasing tenatively :P | 04:02 |
| ESphynx | micahg: although I hope eC becomes more mainsteam and it’s then a great choice due to its low dependency requirements and lightness =) | 04:03 |
| ESphynx | and ease of building GUIs... | 04:03 |
| ESphynx | tell you what, if you ever need to build a new GUI tool for the R. R. release, I’d volunteer to do up a prototype GUI in eC just to show you guys how great it is :P | 04:05 |
| codemaniac | is there any forum for ubuntu motu devs ? | 05:12 |
| ScottK | No. | 05:31 |
| ScottK | As a general rule developers are allergic to the forums. Most interactions are on IRC and via mailing lists. | 05:32 |
| codemaniac | anyidea where dh_make is located ? | 05:51 |
| codemaniac | which package do i need to install ? | 05:52 |
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| Laney | codemaniac: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=dh_make&mode=exactfilename&suite=quantal&arch=any ← the packages.ubuntu.com website can answer such questions | 09:28 |
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| tumbleweed | or you can just type dh_make, and command-not-fonud will point you in the right direction | 09:43 |
| Laney | or you can use apt-file | 09:47 |
| tumbleweed | or axi-cache | 09:48 |
| codemaniac | i thought it should have been included under packaging-dev . | 09:52 |
| tumbleweed | it's in packaging-dev's Suggests | 09:53 |
| codemaniac | it would have been a good idea to bundle up all the packaging weapons under"packaging-dev" | 09:53 |
| codemaniac | tumbleweed: i have already installed i believe on my Ubuntu server | 09:54 |
| tumbleweed | Suggests aren't installed by default | 09:54 |
| codemaniac | tumbleweed: packaging-dev is there on my system | 09:55 |
| codemaniac | thanks for the replies folks | 09:56 |
| Laney | I just have a browser shortcut for that link I pasted you earlier | 09:56 |
| Laney | possibly not very cool :( | 09:56 |
| codemaniac | Laney: thanks , but i wanted to know the exact toolset you use as a MOTU . :) | 09:57 |
| Laney | I just did let you know | 09:57 |
| Laney | I would have done "up dh_make" | 09:58 |
| Laney | :( | 09:58 |
| Laney | bah, no publisher and no builds being dispatched? | 10:04 |
| * ajmitch shrugs | 10:04 | |
| ajmitch | wouldn't surprise me if bits & pieces are still down | 10:04 |
| wgrant | Laney: Hm, the publisher should be working. What's not published? | 10:06 |
| wgrant | And builds should be being dispatched to the few builders that are alive | 10:07 |
| Laney | wgrant: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpst/+publishinghistory | 10:07 |
| wgrant | i386 and amd64 are built | 10:08 |
| Laney | all the distro builders are idle despite there being a queue | 10:08 |
| Laney | yeah, but still pending | 10:08 |
| wgrant | Right, but it's reasonably plausible that the publisher that started 5min ago isn't there yet | 10:08 |
| Laney | wait, there is no queue on the arches that have buildds | 10:09 |
| Laney | i see | 10:09 |
| wgrant | Right | 10:09 |
| wgrant | Nothing appears obviously wrong here | 10:09 |
| wgrant | Except for the fact that 80% of the builders are still missing | 10:09 |
| wgrant | And the publisher is possibly being a little slow, but we'll see in 5 minutes | 10:09 |
| ricotz | hello everyone | 10:09 |
| ricotz | wgrant, hi | 10:09 |
| wgrant | (we don't have logs or metrics of any kind from the cocoplum replacement yet... stuff I have to arrange on Monday) | 10:09 |
| ricotz | wgrant, is there anything you can do about those "psi-plus" builds? | 10:10 |
| wgrant | Oh, I missed those in the sea of red | 10:10 |
| * wgrant kills them | 10:10 | |
| wgrant | Thanks for pointing them out | 10:11 |
| ricotz | wgrant, | 10:11 |
| ricotz | thanks | 10:11 |
| ricotz | same for libreoffice which run out of space | 10:11 |
| wgrant | Hm, they're refusing to die. | 10:13 |
| wgrant | OK, got some of them killed, but now they're having NTP issues. | 10:21 |
| wgrant | Yay | 10:21 |
| smartboyhw | Er, how do I upload a debian package? | 10:23 |
| tumbleweed | smartboyhw: you mean upload *to* debian? | 10:52 |
| tumbleweed | or sync from debian | 10:52 |
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| jtaylor | I'm guessing arm and ppc builds are still affected by the downtime? jobs are in a weird "Start" state | 14:48 |
| jtaylor | oh all builders are disabled, that probably explains it | 14:49 |
| micahg | jtaylor: it would appear the builders haven't been brought back to life yet | 16:33 |
| g4m30v3r | can someone help me with something | 16:57 |
| micahg | !ask | g4m30v3r | 16:57 |
| ubottu | g4m30v3r: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 16:57 |
| g4m30v3r | i need to learn how to install downloaded items and programs off the internet | 16:59 |
| tumbleweed | g4m30v3r: this isn't a support channel | 16:59 |
| micahg | g4m30v3r: you want #ubuntu then (I assume you're on a stable release) | 17:00 |
| g4m30v3r | im on 12.04 and im new im sorry i dont know the channels | 17:00 |
| micahg | tumbleweed: I'd like to say the same for -release FWIW | 17:00 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: yeah, I'm about to have enough of that | 17:01 |
| * tumbleweed gets on with being productive instead | 17:01 | |
| g4m30v3r | so i want to type in /join #ubuntu? then | 17:01 |
| micahg | yeah | 17:02 |
| g4m30v3r | ok ty | 17:02 |
| micahg | xnox: heh, we collided on ztex-bmp, you won :) | 18:00 |
| xnox | micahg: =)))) | 18:01 |
| xnox | micahg: well you stole fftw3 from me ;-) | 18:02 |
| micahg | heh | 18:02 |
| xnox | micahg: i asked Logan_ to apply for motu | 18:02 |
| Logan_ | oh hey | 18:03 |
| xnox | micahg: http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Logan+Rosen&sponsoree_search=name | 18:03 |
| xnox | is pretty long | 18:03 |
| micahg | xnox: he doesn't have the sustained commitment yet, we usually like to see people go through a whole release cycle first | 18:03 |
| xnox | micahg: is that so =) ok. | 18:04 |
| xnox | Logan_: are you planning to eventually become MOTU / core-dev though? | 18:04 |
| Logan_ | possibly, if I have the time commitment | 18:04 |
| tumbleweed | we don't require any time commitment, just sustained contribution | 18:05 |
| * tumbleweed has been fairly MIA for the last month. But busy working on that... :P | 18:05 | |
| xnox | Logan_: you can apply for contributing developer and get Ubuntu Membership and @ubuntu.com | 18:11 |
| Logan_ | I have been considering that, yes | 18:11 |
| tumbleweed | xnox: sustained contribution is a requirement for membership | 18:11 |
| Logan_ | is there a way to get +localpackagediffs to show Sid versions instead of Wheezy versions? | 18:12 |
| tumbleweed | Logan_: no | 18:13 |
| xnox | Logan_: no. because quantal got initialised as derivative of wheezy. | 18:13 |
| Logan_ | are there any external tools that will compare Quantal versions with Sid versions? | 18:13 |
| Logan_ | besides the possible RC bugs thing on ubuntuwire, which only shows serious/grave fixes | 18:14 |
| tumbleweed | multidistrotools on ubuntuwire? | 18:14 |
| tumbleweed | also, of course, merges.ubuntu.com | 18:14 |
| Logan_ | mdt compares to Wheezy as well | 18:14 |
| tumbleweed | ah, right | 18:14 |
| tumbleweed | sid and wheezy should be fairly similar atm, though | 18:15 |
| tumbleweed | people are encouraged not to upload new crack to sid during the freeze | 18:15 |
| Logan_ | true | 18:15 |
| Logan_ | also | 18:16 |
| Logan_ | what is the preferred way to request that packages be removed from the Ubuntu repositories? | 18:16 |
| Logan_ | do you subscribe the Ubuntu Package Archive team? | 18:16 |
| xnox | Logan_: sponsors first, then we subscribe Archive team. | 18:17 |
| micahg | Logan_: if you have upload rights for the package in question yes, otherwise ubuntu-sponsors | 18:17 |
| Logan_ | ok | 18:17 |
| Logan_ | another question - if I'm creating a Ubuntu delta, do I change Uploaders to XSBC-Original-Uploaders? | 18:50 |
| tumbleweed | Logan_: run update-maintainer | 18:51 |
| tumbleweed | when we change a package we only change the Maintainer field, not Uploaders | 18:51 |
| Logan_ | ok | 18:52 |
| verwilst | hello | 20:34 |
| verwilst | i have 2 build jobs in my ppa that have been waiting to be built since 9 hours ago, and still it's waiting | 20:35 |
| verwilst | is there a problem with the build servers? | 20:35 |
| micahg | verwilst: backlog due to the datacenter move | 20:38 |
| verwilst | ok, makes sense, thanks micahg :) | 20:38 |
| verwilst | micahg, it will start in 2 days so it seems.. :P | 21:11 |
| micahg | well, the build farm isn't completely back yet | 21:12 |
| ajmitch | at least there's more than 1 or 2 ppa buildds at the moment :) | 21:15 |
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