[02:06] <ESphynx> ‘sup guys )
[02:56] <micahg> ESphynx: sorry, trying to stick to more mainstream languages ATM :)
[02:56] <micahg> ScottK: maybe, I certainly prefer Qt to GTK as I prefer C++ to C
[02:58] <ScottK> micahg: Not everything required to run every script in ubuntu-dev-tools is a dependency of the packages (devscripts is similar) so I wouldn't let dependency weight on ubuntu-dev-tools influence your decision.
[02:58] <micahg> ScottK: I assume it should be python based though to be able to be in there
[02:58] <ScottK> You're more likely to get more help with maintenance and taking advantage of common code in there should be easier.
[02:59] <ScottK> So not required, but I think it makes sense.
[02:59]  * micahg has been wanting to do a pure Qt app for a while, but in the spirit of not bikeshedding, I think I should do it in PySomething
[03:02] <ScottK> It's your bike shed to paint, so pick your color.
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> just be careful that the local home owners association approves of your color choices ;-P
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> (to bring the analogy to its aggrivating extreme)
[03:08] <codemaniac> hello world
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> hello
[03:09] <codemaniac> what is the amount of primary memory i wlll require to build up a system for packaging Ubuntu ?
[03:09] <codemaniac> would 512 megs be sufficient for building any packages ?
[03:10] <micahg> sure, just not stuff like openoffice/chromium in any reasonable amount of time
[03:10] <micahg> s/openoffice/libreoffice/
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> firefox too. Last I heard linking the executable takes gigs of RAM to do
[03:10] <codemaniac> JontheEchidna: ScottK any advice
[03:10] <micahg> ah, yeah, maybe now it does
[03:11] <ScottK> codemaniac: More is always better, but that's enough to do most things.
[03:11] <JontheEchidna> I did packaging work for 2 years on a computer with 700 MB of RAM
[03:11] <JontheEchidna> some larger stuff like Qt took 2 or 3 hours, but it got done
[03:12] <ScottK> We build Qt for arm on 512MB systems and that's up there when it comes to package size.
[03:12] <codemaniac> ScottK: thanks
[03:12] <codemaniac> JontheEchidna: that sounds inspiring and i feel the adrenaline spikes in my system
[03:13] <ScottK> IIRC the laptop I used in 2007/08 had 512MB of RAM and I could build almost everything.
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> I had the computer with 700-something MB of RAM in '08 and '09
[03:14] <codemaniac> i will be running a ubuntu server , and no GUI
[03:14] <JontheEchidna> mine was running a GUI, so I'd imagine it would be comparable to your setup
[03:14] <codemaniac> ScottK: how can i test if my packages work or not ?
[03:14] <ScottK> Try it and see.
[03:15] <ScottK> We build some pretty huge packages for arm on 512MB ram, so it should be fine with a few possible exceptions.
[03:15] <codemaniac> ScottK: so in a server with no GUI ,m cannot i build QT/GTK packages ?
[03:15] <ScottK> No.  It doesn't mean that.
[03:15] <ScottK> You can install the packages for build, but not run the UI.  Two separate things.
[03:16] <codemaniac> i can build but cannot test right ?
[03:18] <codemaniac> ScottK: thanks for all the help :)
[03:20] <ScottK> Right.
[03:24] <xnox> codemaniac: you might struggle with very heavy c++ with many, many, many templates cause that requires a lot of memory due to regressions in gcc.
[03:24] <xnox> codemaniac: but most of stuff will be fine =)
[03:25] <codemaniac> xnox: as i am just beginning ubuntu packaging i will start with lightweight packages :)
[03:26] <codemaniac> then gradually go up for tougher nuts with help of you guys
[03:26] <codemaniac> :)
[03:26] <xnox> codemaniac: we have plenty of packages, such that you will be able to help with heavy weight stuff as well =)
[04:02] <ESphynx> micahg: I was teasing tenatively :P
[04:03] <ESphynx> micahg: although I hope eC becomes more mainsteam and it’s then a great choice due to its low dependency requirements and lightness =)
[04:03] <ESphynx> and ease of building GUIs...
[04:05] <ESphynx> tell you what, if you ever need to build a new GUI tool for the R. R. release, I’d volunteer to do up a prototype GUI in eC just to show you guys how great it is :P
[05:12] <codemaniac> is there any forum for ubuntu motu devs ?
[05:31] <ScottK> No.
[05:32] <ScottK> As a general rule developers are allergic to the forums.  Most interactions are on IRC and via mailing lists.
[05:51] <codemaniac> anyidea where dh_make is located ?
[05:52] <codemaniac> which package do i need to install ?
[09:28] <Laney> codemaniac: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=dh_make&mode=exactfilename&suite=quantal&arch=any ← the packages.ubuntu.com website can answer such questions
[09:43] <tumbleweed> or you can just type dh_make, and command-not-fonud will point you in the right direction
[09:47] <Laney> or you can use apt-file
[09:48] <tumbleweed> or axi-cache
[09:52] <codemaniac> i thought it should have been included under packaging-dev .
[09:53] <tumbleweed> it's in packaging-dev's Suggests
[09:53] <codemaniac> it would have been a good idea to bundle up all the packaging weapons under"packaging-dev"
[09:54] <codemaniac> tumbleweed: i have already installed i believe on my Ubuntu server
[09:54] <tumbleweed> Suggests aren't installed by default
[09:55] <codemaniac> tumbleweed: packaging-dev is there on my system
[09:56] <codemaniac> thanks for the replies folks
[09:56] <Laney> I just have a browser shortcut for that link I pasted you earlier
[09:56] <Laney> possibly not very cool :(
[09:57] <codemaniac> Laney: thanks , but i wanted to know the exact toolset you use as a MOTU . :)
[09:57] <Laney> I just did let you know
[09:58] <Laney> I would have done "up dh_make"
[09:58] <Laney> :(
[10:04] <Laney> bah, no publisher and no builds being dispatched?
[10:04]  * ajmitch shrugs
[10:04] <ajmitch> wouldn't surprise me if bits & pieces are still down
[10:06] <wgrant> Laney: Hm, the publisher should be working. What's not published?
[10:07] <wgrant> And builds should be being dispatched to the few builders that are alive
[10:07] <Laney> wgrant: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpst/+publishinghistory
[10:08] <wgrant> i386 and amd64 are built
[10:08] <Laney> all the distro builders are idle despite there being a queue
[10:08] <Laney> yeah, but still pending
[10:08] <wgrant> Right, but it's reasonably plausible that the publisher that started 5min ago isn't there yet
[10:09] <Laney> wait, there is no queue on the arches that have buildds
[10:09] <Laney> i see
[10:09] <wgrant> Right
[10:09] <wgrant> Nothing appears obviously wrong here
[10:09] <wgrant> Except for the fact that 80% of the builders are still missing
[10:09] <wgrant> And the publisher is possibly being a little slow, but we'll see in 5 minutes
[10:09] <ricotz> hello everyone
[10:09] <ricotz> wgrant, hi
[10:09] <wgrant> (we don't have logs or metrics of any kind from the cocoplum replacement yet... stuff I have to arrange on Monday)
[10:10] <ricotz> wgrant, is there anything you can do about those "psi-plus" builds?
[10:10] <wgrant> Oh, I missed those in the sea of red
[10:10]  * wgrant kills them
[10:11] <wgrant> Thanks for pointing them out
[10:11] <ricotz> wgrant,
[10:11] <ricotz> thanks
[10:11] <ricotz> same for libreoffice which run out of space
[10:13] <wgrant> Hm, they're refusing to die.
[10:21] <wgrant> OK, got some of them killed, but now they're having NTP issues.
[10:21] <wgrant> Yay
[10:23] <smartboyhw> Er, how do I upload a debian package?
[10:52] <tumbleweed> smartboyhw: you mean upload *to* debian?
[10:52] <tumbleweed> or sync from debian
[14:48] <jtaylor> I'm guessing arm and ppc builds are still affected by the downtime? jobs are in a weird "Start" state
[14:49] <jtaylor> oh all builders are disabled, that probably explains it
[16:33] <micahg> jtaylor: it would appear the builders haven't been brought back to life yet
[16:57] <g4m30v3r> can someone help me with something
[16:57] <micahg> !ask | g4m30v3r
[16:59] <g4m30v3r> i need to learn how to install downloaded items and programs off the internet
[16:59] <tumbleweed> g4m30v3r: this isn't a support channel
[17:00] <micahg> g4m30v3r: you want #ubuntu then (I assume you're on a stable release)
[17:00] <g4m30v3r> im on 12.04 and im new im sorry i dont know the channels
[17:00] <micahg> tumbleweed: I'd like to say the same for -release FWIW
[17:01] <tumbleweed> micahg: yeah, I'm about to have enough of that
[17:01]  * tumbleweed gets on with being productive instead
[17:01] <g4m30v3r> so i want to type in /join #ubuntu? then
[17:02] <micahg> yeah
[17:02] <g4m30v3r> ok ty
[18:00] <micahg> xnox: heh, we collided on ztex-bmp, you won :)
[18:01] <xnox> micahg: =))))
[18:02] <xnox> micahg: well you stole fftw3 from me ;-)
[18:02] <micahg> heh
[18:02] <xnox> micahg: i asked Logan_ to apply for motu
[18:03] <Logan_> oh hey
[18:03] <xnox> micahg: http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Logan+Rosen&sponsoree_search=name
[18:03] <xnox> is pretty long
[18:03] <micahg> xnox: he doesn't have the sustained commitment yet, we usually like to see people go through a whole release cycle first
[18:04] <xnox> micahg: is that so =) ok.
[18:04] <xnox> Logan_: are you planning to eventually become MOTU / core-dev though?
[18:04] <Logan_> possibly, if I have the time commitment
[18:05] <tumbleweed> we don't require any time commitment, just sustained contribution
[18:05]  * tumbleweed has been fairly MIA for the last month. But busy working on that... :P
[18:11] <xnox> Logan_: you can apply for contributing developer and get Ubuntu Membership and @ubuntu.com
[18:11] <Logan_> I have been considering that, yes
[18:11] <tumbleweed> xnox: sustained contribution is a requirement for membership
[18:12] <Logan_> is there a way to get +localpackagediffs to show Sid versions instead of Wheezy versions?
[18:13] <tumbleweed> Logan_: no
[18:13] <xnox> Logan_: no. because quantal got initialised as derivative of wheezy.
[18:13] <Logan_> are there any external tools that will compare Quantal versions with Sid versions?
[18:14] <Logan_> besides the possible RC bugs thing on ubuntuwire, which only shows serious/grave fixes
[18:14] <tumbleweed> multidistrotools on ubuntuwire?
[18:14] <tumbleweed> also, of course, merges.ubuntu.com
[18:14] <Logan_> mdt compares to Wheezy as well
[18:14] <tumbleweed> ah, right
[18:15] <tumbleweed> sid and wheezy should be fairly similar atm, though
[18:15] <tumbleweed> people are encouraged not to upload new crack to sid during the freeze
[18:15] <Logan_> true
[18:16] <Logan_> also
[18:16] <Logan_> what is the preferred way to request that packages be removed from the Ubuntu repositories?
[18:16] <Logan_> do you subscribe the Ubuntu Package Archive team?
[18:17] <xnox> Logan_: sponsors first, then we subscribe Archive team.
[18:17] <micahg> Logan_: if you have upload rights for the package in question yes, otherwise ubuntu-sponsors
[18:17] <Logan_> ok
[18:50] <Logan_> another question - if I'm creating a Ubuntu delta, do I change Uploaders to XSBC-Original-Uploaders?
[18:51] <tumbleweed> Logan_: run update-maintainer
[18:51] <tumbleweed> when we change a package we only change the Maintainer field, not Uploaders
[18:52] <Logan_> ok
[20:34] <verwilst> hello
[20:35] <verwilst> i have 2 build jobs in my ppa that have been waiting to be built since 9 hours ago, and still it's waiting
[20:35] <verwilst> is there a problem with the build servers?
[20:38] <micahg> verwilst: backlog due to the datacenter move
[20:38] <verwilst> ok, makes sense, thanks micahg :)
[21:11] <verwilst> micahg, it will start in 2 days so it seems.. :P
[21:12] <micahg> well, the build farm isn't completely back yet
[21:15] <ajmitch> at least there's more than 1 or 2 ppa buildds at the moment :)