[15:54] <MikeRL> Hello. Just a quick question. I imagine that you guys are extremely busy with the Firefox Nightlies on Ubuntu, but have you realized that for some reason the builds keep failing?
[16:09] <MikeRL> Sorry. Just figuring this thing out. Are you guys there, as it appears that we live on opposite sides of the world. IRC is something new to me.
[16:38] <MikeRL> I know that you guys worked hard to get the PPC versions of Firefox up to date, but has anybody noticed the build bots seem to keep failing to build the Nightlies correctly?
[16:48] <micahg> MikeRL: yeah, we get the e-mails, but have been busy, I thought there was a fixed build a few days ago though
[16:49] <micahg> wow, almost a week old
[16:49] <MikeRL> Yeah, I can wait a while. You guys think you should reduce the Nightlies to one a week?
[16:51] <micahg> well, the globalmenu is breaking the build ATM, as for the frequency, ideally we want to know as soon as possible when an upstream change breaks the build, I've been leaving to to Chris as of late, but maybe I should start looking at them again
[16:52] <micahg> This isn't a build failure I can fix easily, so it would probably have to wait until Monday anyways
[16:52] <MikeRL> Gotta be annoying for you guys. Good luck with that stuff! I had no clue it was so easy to break a build.
[16:53] <micahg> MikeRL: well, on trunk they remove interfaces sometimes, if globalmenu is using one of those removed interfaces, it breaks the build
[16:53] <micahg> like the current case
[16:54] <MikeRL> I'm no programmer, (yet), but plan to become one after college. Anyhow, when you say interfaces do you mean Unity, or XUL, or something else?
[16:55] <micahg> anyways, most of the build farm is down for maintenance anyways, it'll probably come back online sometime Monday
[16:55] <micahg> Gecko API interface
[16:55] <MikeRL> My guess is that the rapid release cycle has made this harder.
[16:55] <micahg> XUL essentally
[16:56] <micahg> well, with rapid release the decision was made that interfaces for the most part are no longer set in stone, so yes
[16:57] <MikeRL> Well, at least FIrefox 17 is catching up on HTML5. I've read that we've lost so many developers to Chromium. Evolution is a good thing, though. I refuse to use Chrome, as it has questionable privacy at best.
[16:58] <micahg> Firefox has been making steady progress on HTML5
[16:59] <micahg> see http://html5test.com/results/desktop.html
[16:59] <MikeRL> Good. I've noticed it even as a power user, and I despise those Google Chrome ads on Google's site. I adblocked them. There is no reason Firefox is incapable of voice search either, is there?
[16:59] <micahg> idk, probably just needs someone to implement it
[17:00] <MikeRL> Anyhow, have you guys noticed that the bookmarks button doesn't show up on Linux in Firefox as it is supposed to?
[17:01] <micahg> I see it on about:home
[17:02] <MikeRL> I mean the bookmarks toolbar button. Sorry.
[17:02] <micahg> what do you mean?
[17:04] <MikeRL> When you hide the bookmarks bar on Windows, a bookmarks button appears in the  Nav bar. It stays to the right when the bookmarks bar is shown. This does not occur on Linux, Ubuntu anyways.
[17:04] <MikeRL> It would be next to the home button, BTW.
[17:05]  * micahg would guess it's not implemented yet
[17:06] <MikeRL> Anyhow, it's no big deal. Thanks for your help! By the way, will Firefox eventually support Webkit Notifications without an addon or more of the HTML5 forms spec?
[17:06] <micahg> mozilla 754942
[17:06] <ubot2`> Mozilla bug 754942 in Bookmarks & History "Bookmarks button hidden on Linux" [Normal,New: ] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754942
[17:08] <MikeRL> Thanks, but the bookmarks bar issue is no biggie. Do you think that Flash on Linux will continue to work, seeing as Adobe has ditched it except for in Chrome?
[17:09] <micahg> yes, 11.2 is supposed to be supported for 5 years, it's just 11.3 and on will be Pepper API only
[17:10] <MikeRL> I think Google is in bed with Adobe...
[17:10]  * micahg isn't sure about the notifications
[17:17] <MikeRL> Thanks for the help! Anyhow, good luck with those builds. Firefox to me is like a religion at times LOL, and I want it to succeed because it isn't owned by some evil company that wants to milk the web for money. It also supports do not track and true ad blocking, and I just cannot trade it for Chrome. Hopefully there are other devout users, I want FIrefox to be around forever!
[17:18] <micahg> MikeRL: we could always use help with bug triage if you're familiar with how Firefox is supposed to behave
[17:18] <MikeRL> I cannot code, but I have reported bugs before. When you say triaging, what do you mean? Can you shoot me a link, please?
[17:23] <micahg> MikeRL: well, these are our criteria for reporting bugs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs
[17:23] <micahg> This is triaging: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Actions
[17:25] <MikeRL> THanks, I've reported bugs before, using Apport and log files. Honestly, Firefox (even the Nightly) rarely ever crashes on me. It's more stable than Chrome to me. If I run into a crash or hinderance, I Google it, and if it's not related to anything on my part, I will report it as a bug. We don't need duplicates or invalid bugs.
[17:26] <micahg> thanks, that's appreciated
[17:27] <MikeRL> Thanks, when  I have time, I'll report any issues I come across. Goodbye!
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