[00:00] <Azelphur> penguin42: 5 what? o.O
[00:00] <penguin42> gbp
[00:00] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:00] <penguin42> my synergy has moved from mapping keys wrongly to mapping everything except the   key
[00:01] <Azelphur> zumo__: yea, I don't think I'll have a problem with that I'm used to a debit card and will usually go by my bank balance, so I'd just pay off every month
[00:12] <zumo__> I said that. Life went wrong, I had no cash. Missed payment, Very easy to spiral out of control with no help from them at all. Bank Credit cards on the other hand, You can talk to a bank manager for help
[01:05] <em> is it possible to install ubuntu in the old fashioned way where you use fdisk and such?
[01:07] <ali1234> yes
[01:08] <ali1234> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/powerpc/linux-upgrade.html
[01:08] <ali1234> just ignore powerpc specific stuff
[01:14] <em> okay thanks
[01:40] <zumo_> Has anyone tried madori browser?
[02:07] <aLurey> uhh sup u fuckers
[02:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: https://blockchain.info/address/1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYM looks like pirate is getting ready to return the monies
[02:20] <Azelphur> this is going to mess with the btc price so much haha
[02:57] <zumo_> I've never really understood teh whole bitcoin thing
[06:45] <christel> morning
[06:46] <MartijnVdS> \o christel
[06:46] <christel> helloooo my lovely dutch <3
[06:49]  * MartijnVdS finishes packing his bag for YAPC::EU::2012
[06:49] <MartijnVdS> http://act.yapc.eu/ye2012/
[06:49] <christel> oooh :)
[06:49] <christel> have lots of fun perling!
[07:24] <namoamitabuddha> Hi, folk!
[07:24] <namoamitabuddha> Are you all Englishmen?
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> No
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> Some of us are not even British ;)
[07:25] <namoamitabuddha> I have some questions about this channel.
[07:25] <christel> furriners, everywhere
[07:26] <christel> some are not even men!
[07:26] <namoamitabuddha> Bot, haha.
[07:26] <MartijnVdS> christel: What?!
[07:26] <namoamitabuddha> !uk
[07:26] <christel> MartijnVdS: shocking isn't it? :)
[07:26] <namoamitabuddha> This is not human.
[07:26] <namoamitabuddha> christel: What do you mean by "some are not even men!"?
[07:26] <MartijnVdS> namoamitabuddha: some are women!
[07:27] <namoamitabuddha> Well, I misinterpreted.
[07:27] <namoamitabuddha> Why can't woman use Ubuntu?
[07:27] <christel> and some are MACHINES
[07:27] <christel> they can't?
[07:28] <namoamitabuddha> !us | christel
[07:28] <namoamitabuddha> !uk | christel
[07:28] <namoamitabuddha> christel: That's obviously machine.
[07:29] <namoamitabuddha> a machine
[07:29] <namoamitabuddha> Well.
[07:29] <namoamitabuddha> I have some questions about this channel.
[07:30] <namoamitabuddha> Is the topic of this channel strictly limited in Ubuntu?
[07:30] <namoamitabuddha> Or just a linux channel?
[07:34] <christel> as the name would suggest it is an ubuntu channel, specifically that of the UK loco team -- we talk about ubuntu and about not-ubuntu, we're quite nice people so we're unlikely to get annoyed if people ask a non-ubuntu specific question -- but might direct someone who does elsewhere if we feel they'd get a better answer/more help elsewhere :)
[07:34] <Myrtti> gm
[07:35] <Myrtti> hot, innit
[07:35] <christel> morning hotti!
[07:36] <Myrtti> by l
[07:36] <Myrtti> lol at backlog
[07:36] <christel> hehe
[07:37] <Myrtti> just realised tHis is a perfect moment for us 2 to chat
[07:37] <christel> WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE?
[07:38] <Myrtti> yup
[07:38] <namoamitabuddha> christel: Fair enough.
[07:39] <Myrtti> I wonder where have I put my tablet stylus
[07:40] <Myrtti> would ease desiging knittig patterns on the Nexus7
[07:40] <namoamitabuddha> So something on-topic and something off-topic are not strictly isolated.
[07:40] <namoamitabuddha> Am I right?
[07:41] <Myrtti> to some extent
[07:48] <christel> Myrtti: ooh what are you knitting? :)
[07:50] <Myrtti> I bought laceweight purple orange for knitting a scarf for elky as a christmas present
[07:50] <christel> ooh nice
[07:51] <Myrtti> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151075125863679&set=a.87958848678.79892.77499153678&type=1
[07:52] <Myrtti> very Ubuntu colours
[07:53] <christel> beautiful yarn :)
[07:59]  * AlanBell likes channels that pass the bechdel test
[08:00]  * MartijnVdS tries to prepare for 38C
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> how does that even work?
[08:03] <AlanBell> 29C here later it seems
[08:04] <mattt> morning morning
[08:06] <AlanBell> might have to paint the fence today
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> and the bikeshed? :P
[08:08] <AlanBell> already painted that, you can't comment on the colour
[08:08] <AlanBell> and it isn't #dd4814
[08:08] <MartijnVdS> hot pink with polka dots?
[08:09] <AlanBell> dark green
[08:22] <christel> :o
[08:22] <christel> untangling toddler-induced knots in yarn is a bit of a challenge
[09:12] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:21] <SuperEngineer> morninks brobostigon
[09:22] <brobostigon> morning SuperEngineer
[09:22]  * SuperEngineer supposes most peeps are recovering from oggcamp "Saturday Night fever" ;)
[09:23] <brobostigon> lol
[09:54] <mattt> bleh, hot out
[09:54] <mattt> just got back from asia, was looking forward to some miserable weather :P
[10:03] <brobostigon> film4, dr strangelove, :), such a good film.
[10:39] <SuperEngineer> heehee, tonytiger reports on twitter:
[10:39] <SuperEngineer> "The #oggcamp12 hotel is hosting an AA meeting the day after the Saturday night party. Coincidence?"
[10:40] <brobostigon> lol
[10:43] <SuperEngineer> In case anyone on here lives in Monmouthshire... Flood warning by Environment Agency http://tinyurl.com/d7lxq33
[10:45] <Myrtti> why can't there be inland swimming beaches and areas like there are in Finland...
[10:56] <SuperEngineer> Myrtti: there are about to be some in monmouthshire according to the environment agency!
[10:56] <Myrtti> oh nice
[11:00] <shauno> I went to one of these swimming lake things in slovakia recently.  having lived on various coasts my whole life, having to pay to go swim was odd
[11:01] <shauno> and much less entertaining than swimming in the atlantic too
[11:02] <Myrtti> because swimming pools and halls close for the summer in Finland in most places for people to go swim in the lakes. It's a bit baffling to see island nation with canals, meres, lodes and whatnots not using it all. also, LOL 25 meters? ridiculous. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_swimming#Lessons
[11:06] <SuperEngineer> Every once in a while a Ubuntu pooter throughs me a surprise... this time Hamster Indicator found not to work on 1 netbook using UBR, but does on another!
[11:06] <SuperEngineer> dconf editor used to add "all" to panel on both, both running UBR
[11:07] <SuperEngineer> hmmmm.... any suggestions?
[11:40] <SuperEngineer> uh oh!  barometer falling, wind speed increasing, clouds darkening....
[11:40] <SuperEngineer> has somebody pulled the good-weather-plug?
[11:40] <penguin42> plagues of frogs?
[11:41]  * SuperEngineer checks sky for frogs
[11:41] <SuperEngineer> nope... no frogs so far
[11:41] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: It's because I've got the week off :-(   About Thurday the Times was predicting that tomorrow would be wonderfully sunny
[11:45] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: cairo-docl weather applet still showing 5 days of sunshine here; it's internet based so surely it must be right ;)
[11:45] <SuperEngineer> *dock
[11:46] <penguin42> YaWP is showing sun+rain mon,tue,thu and cloud on wed
[11:46] <penguin42> it might be a case of finding the sunny place and getting on a train to it
[11:47] <SuperEngineer> & weather Indicator says "partly cloudy" for me here
[11:47]  * SuperEngineer checks wikipedia for meaning of "partly" ;)
[11:50] <penguin42> it means over where you are, leaving the gap and sunshine for the other person
[11:52] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: lol
[11:56] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I'm not sure if they still do; but they used to measure cloud cover in 'octa' - or eigths of the sky; so I guess partly is some range of that
[12:04] <SuperEngineer> hmm... so "partly" right now means approx 9 eighths ;)
[12:04] <penguin42> yes, 1 extra just for spite
[12:08] <SuperEngineer> on the bright side [pardon the pun]: glad I'm in Gloucestershire, not Monmouthshire
[12:09] <SuperEngineer> [though we have been known to have a wee bit excess water around here a few years back ;)
[13:00] <SuperEngineer> need to log off for a mo.  brb
[13:41] <penguin42> hmm
[14:59] <dogmatic69> anyone having internet issues?
[14:59] <dogmatic69> not sure if its local or BT. Suddenly nothing loads fully :/
[14:59] <penguin42> dogmatic69: No, but freenode blinked an hour or so ago
[14:59] <dogmatic69> ye, its been about an hour or something.
[14:59] <dogmatic69> (that I noticed)
[15:00] <dogmatic69> cant play youtube / browse reddit. might have to do something productive.
[15:01] <dogmatic69> It almost seems like UK servers are ok, outside is not
[15:01] <penguin42> no, youtube is fine here
[15:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Boo - anyone got any idea how to fix this? No space left on device message but I have *loads* of space: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1155426/
[15:02] <dogmatic69> eg: bbc.co.uk loads instant, nbc.com takes minutes
[15:02] <dogmatic69> TheOpenSourcerer: rm -rf /
[15:02] <dogmatic69> :D
[15:02] <penguin42> TheOpenSourcerer: Odd, try df -i
[15:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> thanks but I'll pass on that one.
[15:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> dogmatic69:
[15:03] <penguin42> dogmatic69: nbc.com comes up fine here - on demon
[15:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> /dev/sda5             610800  608155    2645  100% /
[15:03] <dogmatic69> "on demon" ?
[15:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> penguin42: can I add more inodes?
[15:03] <dogmatic69> TheOpenSourcerer: the "free" is pretty low there
[15:03] <dogmatic69> and IUse is 100%
[15:04] <dogmatic69> TheOpenSourcerer: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/653096/howto-free-inode-usage
[15:05] <dogmatic69> that seems like your issue exactly
[15:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.ivankuznetsov.com/2010/02/no-space-left-on-device-running-out-of-inodes.html
[15:07] <dogmatic69> TheOpenSourcerer: you do php dev?
[15:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> some.
[15:08] <dogmatic69> "my problem was to have an incredible amount of sessions in the /lib/php/sessions directory. "
[15:08] <dogmatic69> might be a good start
[15:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - just read that.
[15:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> nope
[15:09] <penguin42> TheOpenSourcerer: You can't easily - the best bet is to find them; now what looks a little odd there is that you've only got 600k inodes allocated - how big is / ?
[15:09] <penguin42> hmm, 9G
[15:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> At least I know what I'm looking for now.
[15:10] <penguin42> TheOpenSourcerer: Hmm is this a standard Ubuntu install?
[15:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes. 10.04 server
[15:14] <penguin42> TheOpenSourcerer: OK, if you find you haven't got any extra few hundred thousand tmp files somehwere then you may be finding the default allocation of inodes might be too low and it would be a bug; it's a heuristic where it allocates so many inodes per MB of space; you can tweak it during fs creation, but perhaps it might be better to increase it for small filesystems in some case
[15:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a low-power machine so running for i in /*; do echo $i; find $i |wc -l; done is taking a while but I'm sure I can find enough to cleanup the system. TY
[15:17] <penguin42> np
[15:43] <zumo> Does anyone have suggestions on "Must have" applications?
[15:44] <directhex> bastion!
[15:44] <directhex> spacechem!
[15:44] <directhex> psychonauts!
[15:45] <zumo> No games :P
[15:45] <zumo> Bastion I play on teh xbox
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> \o from Frankfurt
[15:58] <directhex> well those are the must-have apps. anything else is optional.
[15:59] <zumo> How about optional applications you would suggest.#
[16:01] <dogmatic69_> zumo: google chrome
[16:02] <dogmatic69_> penguin42: rebooted the router, internet is good again \o/
[16:02] <penguin42> hmmm
[16:03] <dogmatic69_> really good... +- 7Mbps better than usual
[16:07] <zumo> dogmatic69_: Thats not optinal thats a must in my opinion! That or chromium
[16:08] <dogmatic69_> zumo> Does anyone have suggestions on "Must have" applications?
[16:09] <zumo>  I thought you were refering to my later comment.
[16:10] <dogmatic69> zumo: the apps depend on what you do. eg: if you were a programmer shooting off a bunch of graphics packages would be pointless.
[16:10] <dogmatic69> maybe tell what you do with your pc
[16:10] <dogmatic69> or want to do
[16:10] <zumo> just general day to do stuff
[16:11] <dutchie> personally i find nuvolaplayer very useful: http://nuvolaplayer.fenryxo.cz/Home.html
[18:39] <Azelphur> ali1234: rofl bitcoin price is major tanking XD
[18:39] <ali1234> i know
[18:40] <Azelphur> the value of my bitcoins went down ~£3620 in the space of a day, haha
[18:41] <Azelphur> bitcoin is fun \o/
[18:42] <ali1234> $14 was not a realistic price
[18:43] <brobostigon> and pointless, unless you happen to have a cray lieing around.
[18:44] <ali1234> reasonable price is $10 in january
[18:44] <penguin42> brobostigon: I get the feeling Azelphur's bedroom would put a 10 year old cray to shame
[18:45] <Azelphur> penguin42: probably :P
[18:45] <brobostigon> penguin42: i see.
[18:45] <Azelphur> ali1234: I'm quite proud of myself really, I made all the right choices again
[18:45] <Azelphur> I did a partial cash out, right at the peak, just before BS&T closed
[18:45] <Azelphur> and now it's time to hole up and wait for the price to spike again
[18:46] <Azelphur> and perhaps buy low :P
[18:49] <dutchie> bitcoin/currency speculation feels too much like gambling to me
[18:49] <dutchie> i don't know enough about finance/economics for it not to just be blind luck
[18:50] <Azelphur> dutchie: I'm blind luck that somehow manages to get it right every single time without fail
[18:50] <dutchie> see, as a mathematician, i would stop now
[18:50] <ging> dutchie: i can teach you all you need to know in 1 sentence
[18:50] <ging> by low sell high
[18:50] <Azelphur> xD
[18:50] <ging> *buy
[18:50] <Azelphur> also, I bought a mining rig, paid it off in the first month
[18:50] <dutchie> well yes, but what is "low" and what is "high"?
[18:51] <Azelphur> everything I play with at this point, is money I made mining / investing / trading
[18:51] <ging> dutchie: don't complicate it
[18:51] <Azelphur> so, nothing ventured nothing lost so to speak
[18:51] <dutchie> fair enough then Azelphur
[18:52] <soreau> dutchie: low is lower than high and high is higher than low
[18:52] <dutchie> watch out, the tautology police are coming
[18:52] <Azelphur> soreau: got it in one :P
[18:53] <Azelphur> soreau: it's funny to watch all the silly people panicing, my bitcoins have lost about $6k in value today haha
[18:53]  * Azelphur isn't even worried
[18:54] <dutchie> at least with poker or something i have an understanding of what is going on, and my fate is in my own hands a lot more
[18:54] <dutchie> bitcoins are pretty much at the mercy of the market (at my level at least)
[18:54] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:02] <ali1234> lol
[19:04] <ali1234> pretty much whatever happens with pirate was going to cause a crash sooner or later
[19:04] <ali1234> even if he pays out and the price recovers (which looks unlikely for several reasons) then that would lead to hundreds of copycats (who won't pay out)
[19:13] <Azelphur> xD
[19:13] <Azelphur> ali1234: but pirate is a scammer ponzi he ain't gonna pay out :p
[19:13]  * Azelphur intends to do full face rubbing at the end of this
[19:13] <ali1234> yes
[19:13] <ali1234> also, even if he does, people will sell the payout
[19:14] <ali1234> so either way really
[19:16] <Azelphur> :P
[19:16] <Azelphur> I ain't selling my payout, I'm reinvesting
[19:16] <Azelphur> already have a couple of opportunities lined up
[19:57] <daubers> o/
[20:00] <AlanBell> o/ daubers
[20:00] <AlanBell> I appear to be running out of rubbish beer
[20:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> better find some un-rubbish beer then AlanBell
[20:01] <AlanBell> yeah, I might have to break out the decent stuff
[20:02] <daubers> So I realised over the weekend that I haven't really had a lot to do with this place recently, what's been happening?
[20:02]  * TheOpenSourcerer is waiting for a Spice Station curry delivery.
[20:02] <AlanBell> daubers: I made this: http://ratemyspicerack.com
[20:03] <AlanBell> and some event stuff in the works: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2012-August/034895.html
[20:04] <daubers> AlanBell: I saw the spice rack thing! Was all over my Twitter feed until I left
[20:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer runs this most excellent command on his home-server to free up several hundred thousand inodes...
[20:05] <daubers> Also, would be up for a Christmas something
[20:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer ( \
[20:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer KERNEL_HIGHEST=$(dpkg -l 'linux-image-[0-9.]*-[0-9]*-[a-zA-Z0-9]*' | grep ^ii | tail -n 1 | sed 's/^.*linux-image-\([0-9.]*-[0-9]*\)-[a-zA-Z0-9]*.*$/\1/') ; \
[20:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer KERNEL_CURRENT=$(uname -r | sed "s/\(.*\)-\([^0-9]\+\)/\1/") ; \
[20:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer sudo apt-get purge $(dpkg -l 'linux-*-[0-9-]*' | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' | sed "/$KERNEL_CURRENT/d;/$KERNEL_HIGHEST/d" ) ; \
[20:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer )
[20:06] <AlanBell> that is a command and a half
[20:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.tolaris.com/2012/07/19/removing-old-kernels-from-ubuntu/
[20:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is indeed
[20:06] <AlanBell> kernel source trees is it?
[20:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Old kernels
[20:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have ~500k indoes of old kernel trees
[20:07] <penguin42> haha - that's where they went :-)
[20:07] <AlanBell> oh modules
[20:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> dkms
[20:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> headers
[20:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> shedloads
[20:09]  * TheOpenSourcerer also broks a 10.04 - 12.04 upgrade today - got into a dependency broken hell loop. Will probably need to do a re-install on kid's PC.
[20:14] <dutchie> daubers: you aren't the only one who has been neglecting #u-uk!
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> curry est arrive :-)
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> ttfn
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 68 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> After this operation, 3,515MB disk space will be freed.
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> And about 400k inodes
[20:16] <daubers> dutchie: Aren't you off busy being educated or somesuch?
[20:22] <popey> pip pip
[20:22] <popey> daubers, saw you at the stop on the m6 toll, as we drove out you walked into the place
[20:23] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[20:23] <dwatkins> ahh the M6
[20:23] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:26] <daubers> popey: hah
[20:38] <daubers> popey: At least the 3h30min journey did only take 3h30 today!
[20:46] <czajkowski> our 2 hrs train takes over 3 hours this time
[20:54] <bittin> booking my UK tickets soon :p but only staying for 1-4 days
[20:57] <TheGurkha> bittin - where in the UK are you coming to?
[20:58] <bittin> TheGurkha, London
[20:58] <TheGurkha> cool
[20:58] <TheGurkha> I live in North Wales
[20:58] <TheGurkha> we're still in the 18th Century
[20:59] <bittin> :p
[20:59] <TheGurkha> lol
[20:59] <TheGurkha> North Wales is ace, but the tiny village I live in still doesn't even have main sewage!
[21:00] <bittin> ah well i live in Stockholm lol
[21:00] <TheGurkha> awesome
[21:14] <dutchie> daubers: i'm on holiday!
[21:15] <dutchie> but yes, most of my time is being spent learning completely useless maths
[21:31] <zumo> Can anyone here help me setup my old machines hardware for the best machine?
[22:18] <penguin42> zumo: Sure
[22:34] <zumo> penguin42 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12182283#post12182283
[22:36] <penguin42> zumo: I'm confused - the HD5450 is a PCIe card, but the motherboard is PCI
[22:37] <zumo> Give me a second till I look
[22:39] <zumo> Just looked. Its defo PCI Express
[22:40] <penguin42> zumo: Well is that the right motherboard you're listing?
[22:40] <zumo> Yup
[22:40] <penguin42> oh I see
[22:40] <penguin42> sorry
[22:40] <penguin42> It's got 1 big PCI-e slot, and 3 PCI - that's very odd!
[22:43] <penguin42> zumo: OK, so it's fairly simple; go for the HD5450 and probably the P4 2.66GHz,
[22:45] <zumo> Any ideas on bios settings?
[22:45] <zumo> I know the board lets me do some overclocking and voltage stuff
[22:46]  * penguin42 tends not to overclock stuff
[22:46] <zumo> ram settings?
[22:47] <penguin42> I'd go with whatever the BIOS decides - it should read it off the DIMM
[22:47] <penguin42> (Yes, you probably can get a little more perf out of it but test a lot to see if it's stable)
[22:48] <penguin42> zumo: so that's an OK graphics card on a very old CPU and motherboard/RAM; a slightly odd mix
[22:49] <zumo> Yea my PCs are usually build out of salvaged machines.
[22:50] <penguin42> zumo: I mean my dads machines are similar ages - although he doesn't have a graphics card that nice
[22:51] <penguin42> zumo: So you're OK, it *should* work
[22:52] <zumo> I picked it up to help my minecrafting
[22:53] <zumo> However I ran into stupid issues getting it to work on linux mint.
[22:53] <zumo> So back to windows I went.
[22:53] <zumo> Hence why I have backup hardware!
[22:54] <penguin42> zumo: That should work on mint - I mean I'd recommend Mint, and MATE in particular as a desktop given that hardware; I use the older HD4xxx series Radeon on my i7
[22:54] <zumo> Planning on running lubuntu as the damn machine normally feels piss poor
[22:55] <penguin42> yeh that should work
[22:56] <zumo> Can't wait to be able to actually being able to BUY a machine again instead of salavaged scrap.
[22:56] <penguin42> zumo: Well, I was going to wonder what you could get for your spare CPUs and graphics card; but I doubt it's enough for a usefully newer CPU and board and RAM
[22:58] <zumo> I have every intention of buying this once I have money
[22:58] <zumo> http://www.ebuyer.com/389623-zoostorm-desktop-pc-7873-1066
[22:59] <zumo> give it a ram upgrade and it will do anything I need it to do for the next year. when I will buy whatever kicks i7s ass by then,
[23:00] <penguin42> heck; that's cheap :-)  The cheapest I managed was about 200 for the machine I bought my mum last November, that was a Dual core Celeron with 4GB (or is it 8GB) - pretty much cheapest on everything at Scan
[23:01] <zumo> Somethuing like this?
[23:01] <zumo> http://www.ebuyer.com/389049-zoostorm-desktop-pc-7873-1060
[23:01] <zumo> Yea what ive found machines like that are cheaper to buy than build. The fact it has no OS helps too
[23:02] <penguin42> yeh, similar
[23:02] <penguin42> but yeh, it might be time to upgrade my dads machines - as you find out, with hardware that old it's a pain to keep stuff up to date
[23:03] <zumo> Yea ive had to dig this out becasue I NEED it. Not becasue I want to :/
[23:10] <zumo> Looking at basic machines, I dislike these new intel machines
[23:10] <penguin42> why?
[23:10] <zumo> Anything with the word pentium or celeron just confusses me these days.,
[23:10] <zumo> Probally due to the fact I still use P4s and celerons and celeron ds
[23:11] <penguin42> zumo: Oh, just read them as 'low end version of...' and then you still have to figure out what gen they're a low end version of
[23:11] <penguin42> zumo: ark.intel.com is the best site for decoding them IMHO
[23:11] <zumo> Yea I won't be picking up an intel processor if its not i3/5/7 or newer
[23:12]  * penguin42 pats his i7
[23:12] <zumo> Yea yea rub it in it.
[23:12] <zumo> Me and my P4 are away to find the thermal paste.
[23:12] <zumo> I'll rub it right in.
[23:12] <zumo> Sounds mildly sexualy o.O
[23:12] <penguin42> always good to keep your thermal paste handy
[23:14] <zumo> Its in a one of my drawers.
[23:14] <zumo> Its a shame its cheap nasty goo.
[23:43] <zumo> I hate thermal paste
[23:49] <Seeker`> why?
[23:51] <zumo> The stuff I have is cheap crap and its a nightmare to clean.
[23:52] <zumo> Also im never sure how much to use!
[23:57] <zumo> penguin42 I have a CPU here I WISH i could use, but I am still to find a salvagable board for it.
[23:59] <penguin42> what's that?