[15:22] <drmacro> anybody know what mechanism causes the MOBO onboard audio i/o to show up in qjackctrl patch when started and have pulse concatenated as part of each channel name?
[15:28] <ailo> drmacro: I'm not sure what you mean? "system" is your audio device. "pulseaudio"(or whatever it says), is a software module, sinking PA to jack, not to an audio device. to make use of it, you need to set PA to use jack sinks in PA settings
[15:28] <ailo> What makes that possible is pulseaudio-module-jack. YOu need jackd2 and qjackctl set to support dbus
[15:30] <ailo> When you use PA with the jack sinks, PA is not controlling the audio device. Jack is
[15:36] <drmacro> ailo: with my AF12 plugged in I get two folders on both sides of the patch window in qjackctrl. one folder is name firewire_pcm, the other is PulseAudio_Jack (both sink source respectively) And the are default patches between them. I want to control what patches get made and which pulse sources/sinks show up.
[15:37] <ailo> drmacro: To control which PA sources/sinks show, you'll need to configure PA somehow. Don't know at which level. See about PA modules, and get the source to pulseaudio-module-jack
[15:38] <ailo> As for the connections.. Maybe find a way to make the PA sink not autoconnect, and use the patchbay in qjackctl to remember connections
[15:45] <drmacro> ailo: which ones show up is not a big issue, where they auto patched is. I want to duplicate a system I built on another debian distro. basically I need to control where some other sources/sinks get patched, I suspect the scripts I have will add my stuff to the patch window and patch them accordingly, but I'm trying to understand how the PA sink gets there and how to control it
[15:45] <ailo> drmacro: Check out patchage too. Don't know if it's better at remembering connections (and keeping the non saved connections disconnected)
[15:45] <dn4> I downloaded the iso from a torrent and it said the file was not mountable and I could not burn it
[15:45] <dn4> 64 bit
[15:45] <ailo> dn4: Let me check..
[15:46] <smartboyhw> dn4: Check the hash using MD5
[15:46] <ailo> drmacro: The PA sink is created with pulseaudio-module-jack.
[15:46] <ailo> It's set to auto create the sinks, if dbus says jack is active
[15:47] <ailo> drmacro: If you start jackd instead of jackdbus, the module will not know that jack is active, so the sinks are not created
[15:47] <ailo> drmacro: You can still create your own sinks manually
[15:47] <smartboyhw> dn4: If you are here, check the MD5SUM hash against the downloaded iso first
[15:48] <ailo> drmacro: qjackctl starts jackdbus by default. If you don't want that, just disable the dbus option in qjackctl settings, under "Misc"
[15:48] <drmacro> ailo: what does dbus do for me?
[15:48] <ailo> drmacro: Or if you want dbus, but not the module. Uninstall the module, and make the sinks manually
[15:49] <ailo> drmacro: dbus is a system for making applications aware of each other.
[15:50] <ailo> drmacro: To learn how to make the sink/source for PA, check the source for pulseaudio-module-jack. You can get it with: apt-get source pulseaudio-module-jack
[15:51] <ailo> Seems like cdimage.ubuntu.com is not up right now
[15:52] <smartboyhw> ailo: It IS up
[15:52] <azm> its down for me too
[15:52] <azm> torrent and direct links
[15:52] <azm> that why I came :) Hi!
[15:52] <smartboyhw> Well, it works for me
[15:53] <ailo> It takes time before it works everywhere
[15:54] <ailo> dn4: What was the file name?
[15:56] <smartboyhw> But it's so slow it doesn't make sense, BTW
[15:56] <azm> is torrent faster ?
[15:56] <smartboyhw> azm: It is
[15:57] <smartboyhw> azm: You want amd64 torrent for precise or quantal?
[15:57] <azm> I dont know, probably the last release please
[15:57] <azm> precise
[15:58] <azm> * last stable ;)
[15:59] <smartboyhw> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.04/release/ubuntustudio-12.04-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent
[15:59] <smartboyhw> azm: That is the torrent link
[16:00] <azm> thnkx, downloading..
[16:00] <smartboyhw> :)
[16:01] <azm> havent checked xfce release sofar
[16:02] <ailo> azm: It's also possible to install using the ubuntu alternate CD. Install in expert more
[16:02] <ailo> mode*
[16:03] <azm> well I dont have any ubuntu anymore probably..
[16:04] <azm> but good to hear
[16:04] <ailo> when you install with the ubuntu alternate CD, in expert mode, you can choose which distro you install out of all the derivatives
[16:05] <ailo> So, it's not only for Ubuntu
[16:06] <smartboyhw> It's for ALL, including X/L/K/Eduubuntu and Ubuntu Studio
[16:06] <smartboyhw> Did I miss anything?:)
[16:07] <dn4> ugh I have to redownload it now
[16:07] <smartboyhw> dn4: Why?
[16:07] <dn4> I got angry and deleted it all last night in rage
[16:08] <smartboyhw> uh......
[16:08] <smartboyhw> :_(
[16:08] <smartboyhw> Anyway, I'm off to bed
[16:10] <ailo> oh, the downside using ubuntu alternate is probably not getting some settings in order though
[16:10] <ailo> realtime privilege probably
[16:40] <len-dt> ailo, Ya, jack installs the right file in /etc/security/limits.d/, but I have helped a few people put their user in audio group.
[17:07] <ctmakro> hi everyone i m from china and new to linux.
[17:08] <len-dt> ctmakro, and?
[17:08] <len-dt> it sounds like you have a question
[17:09] <ctmakro> the description shown during ubuntu studio installation suggest me to join this channel
[17:09] <ctmakro> this is the first time for me to use IRC, just curious
[17:09] <len-dt> Ok. You will generally find it quiet here.
[17:10] <len-dt> but if you have questions feel free to ask. just be aware it may take a while to get an answer
[17:10] <len-dt> We are all on different time zones.
[17:10] <len-dt> Welcome to Ubuntu Studio too.
[17:11] <ctmakro> well i used to do a lot of photoshopping, blender animation creating, movie editing, VFX......all kind of stuff and recently i tried Ubuntu desktop and it made me feel bad.
[17:12] <ctmakro> so i just downloaded the ubuntu studio
[17:12] <ctmakro> and amazed by the pre-installed softwares.
[17:13] <len-dt> Desktop seems to work well for average use... but not so much for audio and other art.
[17:13] <len-dt> That is why our ISO is bigger than the rest
[17:14] <ctmakro> certainly. i burn the ISO into a SDCard
[17:14] <ctmakro> and now trying to install it onto  a USB stick.
[17:14] <len-dt> Yes SD cards and USB sticks are the best way to go
[17:14] <len-dt> I have used both for testing.
[17:16] <ctmakro> may i know your profession?
[17:16] <ctmakro> it seems that you are well experienced.
[17:16] <len-dt> I was trained in broadcast electronics, but am working as a mail delivery person right now.
[17:17] <ctmakro> that's what probably wont happen in china, seriously.
[17:18] <ctmakro> no offence, i thought you are a programmer/graphic designer, something like that.
[17:19] <len-dt> I have done some programing, but not a lot.
[17:21] <ctmakro> well i think...just introduce myself. i was born 1993, been playing/working/creating with computer for some 11years.
[17:22] <ctmakro> win 98 Me XP... all the way up to win7 but now i just decided to try my luck on Linux.
[17:24] <ctmakro> as an amateur photographer and a CG enthusiast, I cant find anything better than Ubuntu Studio in the Linux world.
[17:26] <ctmakro> it's 01:25 now in Guangzhou, gotta go to sleep. people here on IRC are very kind!
[17:27] <len-dt> ok bye now.
[19:33] <newagepunk> hi @ all
[19:41] <newagepunk> is anybody here?
[20:21] <ailo> newagepunk: There usually always is :)
[20:23] <newagepunk> nice :)
[20:26] <ailo> newagepunk: Not that much action on this channel mostly, though. A few questions asked each day. #opensourcemusicians is a bit more crowded.
[20:27] <newagepunk> i'm there too, but I have specific questions about ubuntustudio
[20:28] <newagepunk> I installed it the last days, and there are some very ...uuh... lets say un-nice things :-)
[20:28] <newagepunk> now, i'd like to give a feedback, but don't know exactly where...
[20:28] <newagepunk> ...and if this is maybe already solved....
[20:29] <len-dt> newagepunk, please list them
[20:30] <newagepunk> the thing, that a standard user is not in the audio-group.... it's not the best joice for an audio related distro...
[20:31] <len-dt> Which version of ubuntustudio are you using?
[20:31] <newagepunk> I also installed KXStudio, witch is something like an mod-pack for ubuntustudio... and there it's getting verry worse because of this...
[20:31] <newagepunk> 12.04
[20:31] <len-dt> The installing user on 12.04 hosuld be in the audio group.
[20:32] <newagepunk> are you sure?
[20:32] <len-dt> They have on all of my tests on two machines.
[20:32] <len-dt> Yes, there where problems with that on 11.10
[20:32] <newagepunk> hmmm...
[20:32] <len-dt> that was one of the first things fixed in 12.04
[20:33] <len-dt> Out of the box, jack should start realtime.
[20:34] <newagepunk> it does with the live-dvd...
[20:34] <newagepunk> ...but now i'm unsure...
[20:35] <len-dt> newagepunk, the biggest issue I am aware of if that sometimes jackdbus exits badly.
[20:36] <newagepunk> maybe i got it wrong... in the KXStudio a standard user isn't in the audio group, thats for sure... (I installed it yesterday...)
[20:36] <newagepunk> hmm....
[20:37] <newagepunk> maybe I will re-install it again to see :)
[20:37] <len-dt> If you install ubuntustudio on top of vanilla there may be a problem, but a frsh ubuntustudio install should be ok
[20:37] <len-dt> *fresh
[20:38] <newagepunk> i'm sorry if I was wrong... I will test it again... of course fresh, maestro :)
[20:38] <len-dt> OK.
[23:20] <DataJuggler> now, I just did a fresh installation of Ubuntustudio 12.04
[23:21] <DataJuggler> p-nap@pnap-P170HMx:~$ cat /etc/group | grep audio
[23:21] <DataJuggler> audio:x:29:pulse
[23:21] <DataJuggler> p-nap@pnap-P170HMx:~$ cat /etc/group | grep p-nap
[23:21] <DataJuggler> adm:x:4:p-nap
[23:21] <DataJuggler> cdrom:x:24:p-nap
[23:21] <DataJuggler> sudo:x:27:p-nap
[23:21] <DataJuggler> dip:x:30:p-nap
[23:21] <DataJuggler> plugdev:x:46:p-nap
[23:21] <DataJuggler> lpadmin:x:109:p-nap
[23:21] <DataJuggler> p-nap:x:1000:
[23:21] <DataJuggler> sambashare:x:123:p-nap
[23:22] <DataJuggler> So the standard-user after a fresh installation is not in the audio-group!!! (at least in my case)
[23:26] <DataJuggler> and there's another thing: the keyboard layout ist not as i choosed in the installer... so i have to know where all the special characters are in...
[23:29] <DataJuggler> well, I do... but I can imagine that this is very annoying to a newbe... especially if you have to type your super-duper password with extra-special-characters and can't see what you are typing :P
[23:32] <DataJuggler> it could be a result of that I have German as Language and German (Swiss) at keyboard-layout... witch is quiet different
[23:35] <DataJuggler> hope this was the right place to share my experience.... otherwise sorry, and let me know where I should share instead...
[23:37] <DataJuggler> ...but now I have to go to sleep!!... let me know if you need more information about this fresh installation...
[23:38] <DataJuggler> good night...