[01:26] i'm looking to enable x11vnc server to start up with the box so remote users can connect and login. it seems as though the server get's very cranky and wants someone to be already logged in [01:37] defendguin1, is it possible x11vnc isn't started beofre you login? [01:43] i have to start it up manually === CTtechguy_ is now known as CTtechguy === CTtechguy_ is now known as CTtechguy [02:34] What are the chances of getting 12.04 running on a PPC G3 with 128 megs of ram? [02:50] good [02:50] which installer you have? [02:50] craigbass1976, [02:57] with those specs would you really want a graphical environment even if you could get one? [08:06] My panel network icon is not visible in 12,04. as well as say vlc when that is open. Is this a known bug? [08:06] or anyone seen it? [08:13] no === pioneer is now known as Guest16709 === Guest16709 is now known as pioneer === keke is now known as hottea [12:33] Hi, is phillw here? [14:33] hi [14:33] hi [14:33] :- ) [14:33] hi [14:34] Hi! [14:39] leszek: any projects going? [14:41] silverarrow: nothing in lubuntu currently [14:42] I am still hoping to sort out some ppc stuff [14:42] I actually think the main issue is lack of testers [14:43] silverarrow: phillw is one, I can help too! [14:43] package building team and gnome mplayer people are all helpful when they get the info theyneed [14:44] ;- ) [14:44] powerpc seems supported after all [14:44] we just need to be a bit more daring going for linux on ppc [14:45] or find more users who are willing to hack and give people results of testing / using [14:46] true [14:47] its hard enough trying to find normal linux users however [14:47] apart from those on the linux user group, trying to reach out is much harder [14:47] not that ppc users are not normal users, the are just in a smaller group [14:48] osx is just not that good anymore for ppc [14:48] i don't think its supported on ppc anymore [14:48] true, that is way [14:49] a friend has an old mac laptop and wants to installl linux on it as it won't run the latest OSX [14:49] iposted a message to the list a while back asking about a problem [14:49] moutain lion? [14:49] yeah [14:49] they brag about being the most advanced os [14:49] 10.5 or something right [14:49] in the world!! [14:49] hmm [14:50] i suppose if you compare it to windows then [14:50] those things are always debatable aren`t they lol [14:50] esp given a lot of peope have never heard of Linux [14:50] people [14:50] even there you could wonder [14:51] define power, surely its about HOW you use it, with Linux you can optimise for hardware [14:53] yeah, and the term powerpc [14:53] yeah [14:53] they always where a bit on the slow side when they were current [14:53] are they risc or cisc [14:54] cisc being like intel stuff, risc being like arm [14:54] or ARM [14:54] I never really understood that [14:54] it went right above my head [14:54] risc has less instrictions hence small chips [14:54] so i think programs are bigger [14:55] but they run faster, its someting to do with how many clock cycles it takes to execute something [14:55] well, on the practical side, powerpc were not the fastest [14:56] I remember the first core2.duo and quad, intel stuff were snappy [14:56] but they all worked, usually all fine [14:56] these days they all have i5 and i7 [14:56] what ever the producer [14:57] I think apple sneakily have installed some stuff in their hard drives to prevent windows from being installed [14:57] not sure really [14:58] the imac is sold with latest osx but with the sales trick of being "windows compatible" [14:58] I am however willing to do some testing [14:58] -+sorry cleaning space key [14:59] I might have to dig out a second G4 ibook just for testng [14:59] or under it [14:59] eww is an understatement [14:59] tricky stuff [14:59] absolutely the worst key to get in place if it comes off [15:00] at least on some keybards [15:00] i just got mine back on ok, [15:00] easier once you are used to it [15:00] lol, lucky [15:00] yeah [15:00] I worry a bit when it happens [15:01] casse of getting the metal bar thing lined up and pushing it back in place and getting the other bits lined up [15:01] google groups have some really heavy scripts running [15:03] seriously [15:03] more than uphill for a powerpc, more like mountain clibing [15:04] silverarrow, enter key similar to space key [15:05] - [15:05] horror lol [15:05] * [15:05] it`s all those cookies [15:05] both in browser and under keys [15:06] crumbs get everywhere and slows up system [15:06] silverarrow, tell me about it [15:06] as i said eww is an understatement [15:07] what i think it jneeds would be seen in star trek terms as a level 5 diagnostic [15:07] strip down and put it back together after cleaning [15:07] or is that a level 1 can't remember now [15:09] lol [15:10] I might go looking for a new keyboard on ebay [15:10] not sure what works for crumbs in browser [15:10] what we need is a keyboard that you can take apart from the bottom so it can be emptied [15:11] or dipped in good warm soapy water [15:11] dishwasher proof [15:11] yeah [15:11] crumbs get under the keys, only solution is to remove them [15:12] I have used toothpick, cotton waps, and vacuum cleaner [15:12] swabs [15:12] ** [15:12] i have cotton buds here quite handy for getting in to small spaces [15:12] yeah, essential hacker tool kit, forget screwdrivers and actual tools [15:13] lol [15:13] oh and old soild plastic pen lid., sligjhtly flexible is good for lifting keys from keyboard [15:14] I notice you hit "j" all the time when pressing the "h" key [15:14] i do [15:14] maybe a crump there too lol [15:15] i need to type more carefully [15:15] I am usless with the keyboard unless I am sitting upright with a good chair and table [15:15] i know a few keys are a bit sticky as in they dont make good contect [15:15] which is how you should type anyway [15:15] good posture [15:15] my mom has this old typwriter [15:15] 1960 something [15:15] ohh [15:16] when I was a kid we played with it [15:16] you can get a conversion kit for thse [15:16] those [15:16] seriously hard to use the little finger [15:16] so you can make it in to a keyboard (usb) [15:16] lol [15:16] plus it still types on paper, so u make dual copies, paper and on the screen [15:17] yeah about $700 or something i think when i saw the article on it [15:17] i think she still has it some where [15:18] solid build, so as long as you can get ink it will last for years [15:18] but what to do with the mplayer gecko log? [15:18] erm [15:19] I need to retrieve the right kind of info to get any helå [15:19] help [15:19] ohj change of subject [15:19] hmm, how big is the log [15:19] not big enough [15:19] makes a change they are usually huge [15:19] lol [15:20] thing is, when I start firefox in terminal, and go to the mplayer test page, the guy who helps me complains it is incomplete [15:20] hmm [15:20] is there more than 1 log [15:21] howevcer if ilogs are incomplete that would suggest a bug in the logging system [15:21] here is the long one http://paste.ubuntu.com/1157356/ [15:22] more than one? [15:22] what I call "log" is what I get in terminal when starting firefox [15:22] so what asre you trying to do get the mplayer plugin working within firefox [15:22] ah [15:23] the paste there is from an apple site, the only site that plays in browser [15:23] for some odd reason it does [15:23] lol [15:24] that is like msn, if i click on the e-mail link in amsn to get my inbox up it works [15:24] http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/testing/testvid.html [15:24] try that in windows it wants me to keep logging in [15:24] this is the page that should work regardless of any other site [15:24] loggin in+ [15:24] it works in chrome which seems to be default here [15:24] ? [15:25] that link works in chrome, it plays the video [15:25] however you are not in powerpc I assume? [15:25] on* [15:25] noi [15:25] ah i get a [15:25] ya [15:25] what does it play then? [15:26] we need some powerpc testers [15:26] part of star wars, from the bit where han solo says "you're all clear kid, now lets blow this thing and go home" up to the point where the death star explodes [15:26] brb [15:26] there are loads of white ibooks still alive [15:27] if we could improve gnome maplayer /gecko/ and flash video replacer, most stuff would work on ppc [15:27] they should work really, but packages got broken and some point [15:28] those white ibooks are still nice to write on [15:28] at least the larger screens [15:28] I even ordered a new battery [15:29] I suddenly became determent to make this laptop work again lol [15:34] brb [15:36] could you make sense of this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1157380/ [15:36] are there any other way on retrieving debugging info on mplayer and gecko === michelangelo_ is now known as michelangelo === michelangelo is now known as michelangelog [15:46] silverarrow: seems to be a normal mplayer output [15:46] isn't the player running or what ? [15:47] not at all [15:47] and I Kevin is complaining I am giving him incomplete logs [15:47] this is all I get [15:49] I would apprechiate any thoughts on the subject [15:49] I need to dig up the right kind of info for him to work with [15:49] silverarrow: check if you have set an output for video and output in the embedded gecko-mediaplayer plugin. As far as I know the plugin uses other settings than the gnome-mplayer standalone player [15:51] I have tried all of the video ouetput options listed. g, g2 (whatever they are) x11, xv... [15:51] oh, in gecko [15:51] no gecko is not easily opened [15:51] it is more of a plugin thing [15:52] I can open mplayer and play around with settings [15:52] install windows :D [15:52] you could make your a little easier [15:53] no, will not do [15:53] silverarrow: you have to set in the gecko player plugin [15:54] how "set in" [15:54] it is installed [15:54] and working on an apple site [15:54] just open up the example page from above and right click on the plugin and go to settings [15:54] that would be mplayer settings [15:54] which I have tried all kinds of combos [15:55] silverarrow: but it should not be the same setting [15:55] gnome mplayer work with the gecko media player; gecko is the browser part [15:55] as gecko-mplayer uses another category then gnome-mplayer [15:55] gnome the actual player [15:55] yeah I know [15:55] good [15:55] how do I go about that [15:56] just like I said [15:56] and if you have set it from within the plugin it should work [15:56] when I open preferenses from "right click" on the mplayer test site, all I get is mplayer preferance table [15:56] I know [15:57] and there set xv as videooutput [15:57] and alsa as audio [15:57] click ok [15:57] then play [15:57] sorry, I don`t follow you [15:57] it should work [15:57] but, I have been doing that several times? [15:57] ok, once more [15:57] hmm... then I don't know what your problem is [15:58] join the club [15:58] powerpc weirdness [15:59] hmm... does the example stream at all plays in mplayer ? [15:59] no, [15:59] so if you copy the adress to the mov and open it directly in gnome-mplayer ? [15:59] never has on ppc [15:59] at least 12.04 [16:00] is libavcodec-53 installed or libavcodec-extra-53 ? [16:00] mplayer only works in browser with flash video replacers, and only as standalone [16:00] and the fluke excetipioin is the apple site commercial [16:01] so codec support is not the problem ? [16:01] not sure [16:02] I am hoping for any good idea to come along [16:02] i have to do some codec search [16:02] as I said [16:02] I think I have them all [16:02] check if libavcodec-extra-53 is installed alongside with libavformat-extra-53 [16:02] how do I list codecs installed? [16:03] which package would they be in? [16:03] this are packagenames already [16:03] oh [16:03] * silverarrow opening package manager [16:04] most of the codecs or restricted ones comes in bundels it seems [16:07] libavformat is missing [16:12] I installed, and rebooted, no change [16:12] still doesn`t play [16:16] how to debug these packages? [16:16] at least retrieve some kind of log [16:17] on what goes wrong I mean [16:17] I`m done for today I think [16:17] well done [16:23] silverarrow: run mplayer from the terminal [16:23] post the output [16:23] to a pastebin service please :) [16:24] command not found? [16:25] bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' [16:25] oh sorry [16:29] I`m not doing correctly I think [16:29] http://imagebin.org/225235 [16:29] nope [16:30] silverarrow: mplayer http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/testing/test.mov [16:30] try that command [16:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1157466/ [16:33] it worked, starwars [16:34] oh, I shall post that to Kevin [16:44] laszek, does it give anything useful? [16:56] silverarrow: yep you have pulse as audiooutput. This does not work as lubuntu ships only with alsa [16:56] so please use alsa [17:27] leszek: odd, because when I check I it is set to alsa [17:27] anyhow, audio works [17:28] you just suggested check of for alsa, and I did ; from default to alsa [17:28] yeah [17:28] what is the videooutput currently ? [17:32] xv I think [17:36] yes, xv [17:36] I have tried them all [17:36] some of them work, some not at all [17:36] yeah xv should work [17:37] x11 also on every card [17:40] yes, they both wrok [17:40] I think one of the others worked too [17:45] leszek: what would be a likely explanation for this bug? [17:46] and the issue with flash video repalcer might be the same too [17:46] browser embedded play [17:55] I really don't know [17:55] especially as if it seems to be a bug that I cannot reproduce here [18:08] leszek: you are on an ibook or something? [18:08] powerpc at least [18:08] nope I don't have a powerpc here [18:09] but I highly doubt it that it has to do with the plattform [18:11] well, the packages in powerpc iso then [18:12] that could be [18:12] odd thing it suddenly appeard on all the ppc distros [18:12] you could try debian [18:12] ah ok [18:12] debian based ones [18:12] ah ok then debian maintainers must fucked it up [18:12] like the universe decided ppc users should struggle a bit [18:13] then I guess there is a bug entry @ debian [18:13] perhaps they fixed it up [18:15] debian absoutely hates getting this info form non debian users [18:15] we are almost ignored [18:15] perhaps that is exactly what we are [18:16] mint and ubuntu is frowned upon [18:16] at least the irc channel [18:16] irc is so stupid that way [18:17] narrow minded nerd lol [18:49] I can't seem to get my install to actually complete. Any suggestions? [18:50] explain more [18:50] I start the install it, It never completes/ [18:50] !alternate | zumodoki [18:50] zumodoki: The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download#alternate - See also !minimal [18:51] that should really give options other than the vanilla ubuntu [18:51] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/release/ grab alternate install CD from there [18:53] Thanks that what I was looking for [18:57] So what do I do if this install fails? [19:02] zumodoki: try another distribution [19:03] non ubuntu based I assume? [19:42] Live CDs have spoiled me [19:42] I forgot what a linux install looked like. [19:44] a lot different to back in the early days thankfully [19:45] mind you my last exposure to debian was with raspberry Pi, rather impressive [19:47] How are you finding it? [19:47] pretyy good [19:47] My first encounter with linux was with the first version of ubuntu version 4? I think [19:47] waiting for a case, i am more worried aboutdamaging it, tv stand has metal bits in it [19:47] i have that somewhere 4.10 or something [19:49] also need to use in bedroom so i can plug in to tv, so greater risk of damagfe so just played around with it on my desk by logging in with ssh [19:49] Card board box will do for now! [19:49] or ssh -X when feeling brave [19:49] yeah [19:49] it can go on my desk [19:50] I hate the fact I live in a house made of brick. [19:51] Can't run ethernet cables [19:51] floorboards [19:51] usually you can run cable under them [19:52] if you don't mind ripping the place up i guess [19:52] which isn't exactly a practical solution [19:56] Yea, Floorboards were lifted to get the house rewired. I dont think they would survie another pulling [20:00] However I will keep it in mind for sure [20:01] yeah they should bulld new houses WITH ethernet, and eithernet ports built in [20:01] Im used to dropping cable down behind the laughing plaster [20:01] ah sounds good [20:01] Yea and plugs with USB ports built in. [20:02] No its not, You ever had to deal with 100 year old plster? :L [20:02] no [20:02] but i guess if you are ripping out the plaster to re-wire you may as well get ethernet put in too [20:05] Think of it as plaster board running down 2 of the 4 sides of the house [20:06] So im really limited on what rooms can have ethernet ports [20:06] My minds thinik about pulling up the floor. [20:06] i guess if you can simply wire from upstairs to downstairs, then you can put a shelf + hub / switch in or perhaps wireless [20:06] and run either net neatly along just under the celing [20:08] Think bungalow with a loft. [20:09] hi guys. ihave changed the mouse theme to the dark one in 12.04 but the cursors are only dark inside programs and not on the desktop or menus. how do I fix this? [20:11] reboot [20:13] Or you could just logout and back in, maybe restarting openbox would be enough. [20:19] i think i first changed it before i turned the computer off about two hours ago and not it it "rebooted". [20:22] i don't understand, did you reboot? [20:23] and now it is rebooted. [20:23] i messed up the end of the sentence. i will reboot again and see what happens. bye for now. [20:26] the cursor is still white [20:26] on the desktop? [20:26] yes. [20:26] you using pcmanfm? [20:27] the file manager that's default in lxde? [20:27] and if you open leafpad, it is black? [20:27] pcmanfm = white [20:27] leafpad = white [20:28] where is it black [20:28] ? [20:29] it is black for example when i move the cursor in abiword around the icons (save, print etc) [20:30] on the desktop it is black [20:30] sorry, white [20:30] lubuntu 12.04? [20:30] yes and updated yesterday [20:31] i'm actually having the same bug, even after reboot [20:31] but it's not abiword [20:32] would I file the bug against lxappearance? [20:32] In EPDFViewer the cursor is black even in the menu and hovering over icons [20:32] damn, i mean white [20:33] sorry. i am g*d d*amn stupid tonight. at least more than usual. [20:33] maybe it's multiple uh, themes installed or something [20:33] no idea [20:34] i have the two mouse cursor themes that came with lubuntu 12.04 amd64 [20:34] DMZ (black) and DMZ (white) [20:35] yeah, on my pc it's pcmanfm and mplayer with the white cursors [20:36] and lxpanel [20:38] i guess i have to use the regular white. it is not the end of the world but it is sad that the option to make them black does not work, [20:43] i think i figured it out [20:43] you have? [20:43] /usr/share/icons/default [20:43] paste that in here [20:43] if it's short [20:44] index.theme is all [20:45] that filesays: [20:45] [Icon Theme] [20:45] Inherits=DMZ-White [20:45]