[00:02] <genii-around> I don't think CCSM ever worked ok
[00:39] <ironhalik> hmm, how can I install nvidia-current?
[00:40] <genii-around> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current ... ?
[00:40] <ironhalik> uhm, sorry, there a package missing
[00:40] <genii-around> !info nvidia-current
[00:41] <trism> ironhalik: can't until https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/1037896 is fixed
[00:41] <ironhalik> hmm, ok :>
[00:41] <ironhalik> maybe the better question would be: I've got artifacts on my OSS nvidia drivers :>
[00:42] <ironhalik> screen totally corrupted
[00:43] <ironhalik> dmsg spits out "nouveau: PFIFO_CACHE_ERROR"
[00:44]  * genii-around screams in the general direction of the nouveau people
[00:45] <ironhalik> hmm, killed lightdm and x11, started X'es again and it works ok now
[00:45] <ironhalik> wait, theres no mouse
[02:57] <Logan_> what on earth
[02:57] <Logan_> my close/minimize/maximize buttons just moved to the right side with the latest update
[03:02] <Logan_> was this planned?
[03:04]  * Debolaz hopes not.
[03:06] <Logan_> did it happen to you as well, Debolaz?
[03:06] <Debolaz> No, I havent been on my quantal since llvmpipe broke the world. :)
[03:07] <Logan_> ah
[03:07] <Logan_> that bug should be fixed soon - a fix was committed
[03:07] <Logan_> gnome-panel works fine, fwiw
[04:42] <ritz> How do I use LIM on quantal ? ( https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/lim/+packages )
[04:56] <scarrs> cairo dock is nicely broken, anyone know how to fix?
[04:57] <KM0201> lol
[04:57] <KM0201> nicely broken
[04:57] <scarrs> :)
[04:58] <scarrs> seriously... was working GREAT in 12.04... did the upgrade today, and now it doesn't work... I uninstalled it, and now synaptic reports it is not installable :-/
[04:59] <scarrs> a little help? :)
[05:11] <histo> !info cairo-dock
[05:11] <histo> !info precise cairo-dock
[05:11] <histo> !info cairo-dock precise
[05:12] <histo> !info cairo-dock precise
[06:48] <scarrs> pardon me, but what am I to do about compositing with NVIDIA cards?
[06:49] <ikonia> in what respect, what are you to do ?
[06:49] <scarrs> it works in the "ubuntu" interface and gnome3 but not gnome classic
[06:49] <ikonia> probably because gnome classic is a fail safe fall back, does it support compositing ?
[06:50] <scarrs> I am trying to get compositing to work with cairo dock and gnome... help pls :)
[06:50] <ikonia> please re-read what I said
[06:50] <scarrs> my bad
[06:52] <scarrs> there is gnome with compositing and "gnome no effects" at the lightgdm screen
[06:52] <scarrs> I choose gnome and everything appears to start up correctly, but the desktop pager does not work
[06:53] <scarrs> and there is no transparancy
[06:54] <scarrs> I am pushing ubuntu to end users and at work, but I would like to get my "pre-release" working the same as in 12.04
[06:54] <scarrs> ...whick includes cairo dock
[06:55] <scarrs> synaptic reports that nvidia-current is not installable
[06:56] <scarrs> the ubuntu desktop and gnome3 work just fine, I am looking to get the cairo dock + gnome working
[06:58] <scarrs> help?
[06:58] <scarrs> cairo dock reports that no compositor is available
[07:00] <scarrs> however, I can launch cairo dock in the ubuntu (and I'm assuming gnome3) desktop
[07:00] <scarrs> and compositing works just fine
[07:01] <ikonia> scarrs: are you using an nvidia card ?
[07:01] <scarrs> yes
[07:01] <ikonia> scarrs: ok, so what xorg driver is being used ?
[07:01] <histo> scarrs: are you trying to login to the ciaro-dock session?
[07:02] <scarrs> 1 sec while I check
[07:02] <histo> scarrs: also why are you trying to push 12.10 on employees?
[07:02] <scarrs> and histo, yes
[07:02] <scarrs> I am pushing 12.04 :)
[07:02] <scarrs> I would like to get this working for me
[07:03] <scarrs> xorg 1.7.7
[07:04] <ikonia> scarrs: no, what xorg driver are you using
[07:04] <scarrs> not sure which driver I am using :-/
[07:04] <ikonia> scarrs: you're not using the nvidia module as you say the nvidia driver can't be installed
[07:04] <ikonia> scarrs: ok, well, that's something to check
[07:04] <scarrs> command? (sorry)
[07:05] <ikonia> look in the xorg log
[07:05] <ikonia> look if you have an xorg.conf (you probably won't)
[07:06] <scarrs> I don't
[07:06] <ikonia> hang on - you're pushgin out 12.04 ?
[07:06] <histo> scarrs: xorg in 12.04 and 12.10 are the same version right now
[07:06] <scarrs> hmmm
[07:06] <scarrs> I'm puzzled
[07:06] <ikonia> scarrs: what version of ubuntu are you having the issue with ?
[07:06] <histo> So am I I don't understand why you are in ubuntu+1
[07:06] <scarrs> 12.10
[07:06] <ikonia> ok
[07:07] <scarrs> I just upgraded today
[07:07] <histo> why?
[07:07] <scarrs> :)
[07:07] <scarrs> was curious
[07:07] <histo> scarrs: well you are going to experience problems in 12.10 prior to it's release it's not finished yet
[07:07] <ikonia> ok, so look at what xorg driver is being used
[07:07] <ikonia> that seems a key thing to get information on
[07:08] <scarrs> ok, omp
[07:10] <scarrs> I believe it is falling back to vesa
[07:10] <scarrs> should I try the to install the driver from nvidia?
[07:10] <ikonia> ok, so it's unlikly compositing is workin at all
[07:11] <scarrs> you dev's are awesome, btw
[07:11] <scarrs> nice job on 12.04 :)
[07:11] <ikonia> I'm not a developer, but thank you
[07:11] <histo> I don't believe ikonia is a dev
[07:11] <scarrs> lol
[07:12] <scarrs> k
[07:12] <scarrs> my boss is intrigued with the linux desktop, I want to teach him :)
[07:14] <scarrs> ok, since I cannot install the nvidia driver in x I am gonna reboot and see if I can install it :)
[07:14] <histo> scarrs: then show him 12.04 not 12.10
[07:14] <scarrs> (I have, he likes it)
[07:14] <histo> !releases | scarrs
[07:39] <Varikonniemi> i did an update-manager -d on my 12.04 test media host server yesterday and it left it unable to bootsplash even though it loaded the latest nvidia drivers in the ordeal so yes, you can and will run into problems when running development releases of software :=
[07:45] <scarrs> hello again
[07:45] <Walther> Varikonniemi: I had some problems a couple days back as well, but a update && upgrade cleaned it
[07:46] <scarrs> could somebody please tell me how to toggle x so I can boot into just a shell
[07:46] <Varikonniemi> i have not tried if i can fall to tty1 and do that
[07:46] <Varikonniemi> ctrl-alt-f1 ... f5 i think
[07:49] <Varikonniemi> the onl reason for me to ditch 12.04 is that a python process is always left as zombie on all my 12.04 installations
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:35] <susundberg> _o/
[12:33] <ironhalik> anyone noticed Xorg CPU usage spikes?
[13:50] <johnjohn101> how soon till 12.10 will be working correctly in vmware or virtual box?  just curious.  I guess I have to reload from scratch, right?
[14:14] <histo> johnjohn101: it's a developement version do not expect it to be working untill just prior to the release
[14:21] <johnjohn101> histo:  i was testing on vmware player and now it's broken.  I guess I can wait for beta in a few weeks.   Loved the unity changes so far
[14:21] <Logan_> johnjohn101: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1021104
[14:21] <Logan_> Should be fixed soon. A fix was already committed to the Compiz repository.
[14:21] <Logan_> branch
[14:23] <johnjohn101> Logan_:  thanks, I stupidly applied updates after you mentioned the other day and voila..it broke
[14:23] <Logan_> :P
[14:23] <Logan_> I've been using gnome-panel, which works fine with LLVMpipe.
[14:37] <lamalex> have there been security changes in Q to prevent strace from running? do i need to set up some special permissions to run  it now?
[14:58] <Walther> Hey - when can I install nvidia-current again?
[15:02] <Walther> I'm having a thoroughly laggy desktop experience as my laptop tries to have all the desktop effects without using HW acceleration
[15:02] <Walther> ...my little Atom can't quite keep up
[15:02] <Walther> I would indeed have Nvidia Ion
[15:17] <Walther> ...anyone?
[15:19] <Pici> Walther: not sure, the latest email I see here about nvidia just says that you'll need to wait until a new version becomes available.
[15:19] <Pici> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-August/035635.html
[15:30] <Walther> ok
[15:30] <Walther> well, thanks
[15:30] <Walther> at least I know the issue is known and it's being worked on
[15:31] <Walther> but it seems that the whatever driver I'm on has some serious issues as well
[15:32] <Walther> antialiasing and color gradients are rather borked
[15:32] <Walther> (e.g. buttons)
[16:19] <ironhalik> hmm - why is there the whole /run/ dir?
[16:21] <Walther> Yeah, what happened with the /media/ and /run/
[16:22] <Walther> previously all the mounts went nicely to /media, now they go to /run/media/username/folder
[16:22] <ironhalik> I guess its for users multiple users do do their own mounts
[16:22] <ironhalik> but it would be nice to be able to set it to the old behaviour
[16:50] <genii-around> Is there some issue between nepomukservicestub and nvidia driver?
[16:55] <trism> genii-around: there are issues with the proprietary driver and the current version of xorg in quantal
[17:01] <genii-around> trism: OK. I found nvidia-current groaned about abi versions, putting ignoreabi  in xorg.conf allowed lightdm to work, but after desktop finished loading, kicked back to lightdm again. xsession-errors was pointing at nepomukservicestub. I'm back on nouveau for the time being.
[17:03] <trism> genii-around: yeah, the abi 13 was dropped in -ubuntu4 because there was a structure change that the nvidia guy was unaware of, and it caused the driver to call an invalid pointer and crash the server, it is supposed to be fixed in the version after 304.37
[17:04] <trism> genii-around: it works for some things, but if you say, try to start firefox or run the unity desktop, it crashes immediately
[17:05] <trism> genii-around: probably the same sort of issue in kde
[17:08] <genii-around> trism: Yes, as soon as plasma-desktop finishes loading up, kicks out again
[17:08] <genii-around> ( kde 4.9.0 )
[18:12] <shadeslayer> anyone else seeing this : http://paste.kde.org/537338/
[18:13] <shadeslayer> ( that's in a chroot btw )
[18:16] <shadeslayer> aha
[18:16] <shadeslayer> it's a issue in cups
[18:16] <shadeslayer> happens on my normal install as well
[18:25] <trism> shadeslayer: kind of strange, initctl should be installed with upstart, so it should be there
[18:25] <shadeslayer> trism: yeah, idk ... someone uploaded a new package
[18:27] <shadeslayer> looks like somone tried to fix bug 1031583, but made a mistake somewhere
[18:27] <shadeslayer> the diff looks fairly non intrusive
[18:28] <shadeslayer> the fun part is that I can't even install a earlier version
[18:29]  * shadeslayer reports bug
[18:29] <trism> shadeslayer: yeah I'm not sure that is the issue though, it upgraded fine here, is /sbin/initctl actually present? maybe a path issue?
[18:29] <shadeslayer> % which initctl                                                                                                                                                                         shadeslayer@solembum
[18:29] <shadeslayer> /sbin/initctl
[18:29] <shadeslayer> so yeah
[18:29] <trism> weird
[18:29] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:29] <shadeslayer> AppArmor parser error for /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd in /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd at line 24: Invalid capability block_suspend.
[18:30] <shadeslayer> maybe I need a newer apparmor
[18:30] <shadeslayer> yeps
[18:33] <shadeslayer> what's weird is that the chroot doesn't find initctl
[18:33] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:38] <shadeslayer> ahh figured it out
[18:40] <trism> what was it? I could get the start to fail by adding an invalid apparmor option, but I couldn't get the initctl not found message
[18:49] <shadeslayer> trism: dpkg-divert --local --rename --add /sbin/initctl
[18:49] <shadeslayer> ln -s /bin/true /sbin/initctl
[18:50] <shadeslayer> don't think upstart will work in a chroot
[18:50] <shadeslayer> which is probably why it failed
[21:03] <peterrus> anyone currently using dropbox on quantal?
[21:03] <peterrus> mine doesnt connect
[21:03] <ior3k> working fine here
[21:03] <peterrus> hm
[21:10] <ironhalik> mine too
[21:10] <ironhalik> but I installed it from their site, not via apt
[21:11] <ironhalik> so you could try that
[21:12] <FernandoMiguel> wow
[21:12] <FernandoMiguel> my font just changed
[21:12] <FernandoMiguel> peterrus: mine been like that for a few weeks
[21:12] <ironhalik> Welcome to software quality assurance :>
[21:13] <FernandoMiguel> both stable and forum build
[21:13] <FernandoMiguel> I'm not sure what to think about the font S:
[21:13] <FernandoMiguel> peterrus: dropbox still works fine
[21:13] <FernandoMiguel> you just can't click on the notifications of changed files
[21:14] <peterrus> ironhalik, did that as well still cant connect
[21:15] <ironhalik> well, dunno - mine connects
[21:15] <peterrus> I have no firewall enabled afaik
[21:15] <peterrus> a mystery
[21:15] <peterrus> unsolvable
[21:15] <FernandoMiguel> Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:15] <FernandoMiguel>  /var/cache/apt/archives/nautilus-dropbox_1.4.0-2_amd64.deb
[21:15] <FernandoMiguel> let me try to downgrade nautilus dropb
[21:15] <ironhalik> about mysteries - my main display randomly turns black ;>
[21:15] <ironhalik> need to kill Xorg
[21:16] <FernandoMiguel> only have the current version of nautilus-db
[21:16] <FernandoMiguel> :(
[21:16] <ironhalik> hmm, to be exact - I installed nautilus-dropbox, when I wanted to start it, it opened dropbox website, where I downloaded their package and installed
[21:16] <FernandoMiguel> why is apt so bad in getting older versions :(
[21:26] <peterrus> ironhalik, thats what I currently have, i am pretty sure it was updated a few days ago
[21:31] <peterrus> hmm
[21:31] <peterrus> it will just redownload the latest daemon from the site
[21:31] <peterrus> so that does not work
[21:32] <peterrus> this might just have something to do with a specific file it cant sync
[21:34] <peterrus> I give up xd
[21:35] <peterrus> removed my dropbox-dist and let it reinstall
[21:35] <peterrus> removed .dropbox
[21:35] <peterrus> tried previous version, which just downloads the latest daemon
[21:36] <peterrus> time for the expirimental build
[21:38] <peterrus> to no avail
[21:41] <peterrus> ah
[21:41] <peterrus> the ubuntu version of dropbox installs to /var/lib/.dropbox-dist
[21:41] <peterrus> while dropbox's stock version installs to ~/.dropbox-dist
[21:42] <FernandoMiguel> wut?
[21:44] <peterrus> if you're trying to install the expirimental version over the stock version
[21:44] <peterrus> remember that
[21:44] <peterrus> still nothing solved though
[21:50] <pinchmesh> lo all... can i symlink opensslv2 to v1?? Docs say the coding uses a different numbering system.
[21:51] <pinchmesh> 12.04 comes with v1, but cad programs require v2
[21:51] <pinchmesh> http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/overview/
[21:54] <pinchmesh> worked about a week, then something changed...
[21:55] <pinchmesh> now, errors about sslv2 not found, and multiple application/mime errors
[21:56] <pinchmesh> screen has multiple lines and black areas that change in scale... so they are not in the files
[22:01] <pinchmesh> happens with two different cad programs, so the problem is prolly the os.
[22:02] <jtaylor> sslv2 is removed
[22:02] <jtaylor> its deprecated since ages
[22:02] <jtaylor> you should use v3
[22:02] <pinchmesh> someone said maybe 5 years ago..
[22:03] <pinchmesh> v2 is insecure anyway
[22:03] <jtaylor> I think the only way to get v2 is back is recompile the package with support for it
[22:03] <pinchmesh> 12.04 uses v1.0.0
[22:03] <jtaylor> better bug the cad distributors to update
[22:03] <pinchmesh> v2 sucks..
[22:04] <pinchmesh> yeah, agree jtaylor
[22:04] <pinchmesh> why would things work... then stop???
[22:05] <jtaylor> support for v2 was removed in 11.10 or 12.04, don't remember
[22:05] <pinchmesh> long time ago
[22:06] <jtaylor> in ubuntu I mean, it was likely unsupported upstream much longer
[22:06] <pinchmesh> ah, ok
[22:07] <jtaylor> there is probably a simple --enable/disable flag in the build of the openssl package
[22:07] <pinchmesh> there must be a setting somewhere to link v2 to v1
[22:07] <jtaylor> but only do that if you really need to, as self built package don't profit from security support
[22:07] <jtaylor> its v2 or v3
[22:08] <jtaylor> its the ssl protocol version, its independend of the openssl version number
[22:08] <jtaylor> 1.0.0 and the older 0.9.X both have v2 and v3, though since some time v2 is disabled
[22:08] <pinchmesh> the package manager says i have v1
[22:11] <pinchmesh> /var/cache/apt/archives/openssl_1.0.1-4ubuntu5.4_i386.deb
[22:12] <pinchmesh> /usr/share/doc/libgnutls-openssl27/changelog.Debian.gz
[22:12] <pinchmesh> sigh...
[22:15] <pinchmesh> ahhh.. /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgnutls-openssl.so.27.0.0
[22:15] <pinchmesh> but libc is also there..
[22:16] <pinchmesh> maybe it just need to be renamed, or linked
[22:18] <pinchmesh> path problem???
[22:20] <jtaylor> no, you mix up version numbers
[22:20] <jtaylor> the package version and the protocol version are two different things
[22:20] <jtaylor> what kind of errors do you get?
[22:21] <pinchmesh> SSLv2 client and server not found.... then a ton of application/mime errors
[22:21] <jtaylor> yes there is no way around that besides recompiling
[22:21] <pinchmesh> crap.... lots to lose
[22:22] <pinchmesh> there's a lot of symlinks in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu
[22:23] <jtaylor> yes thats how shared libraries work in distributions
[22:23] <jtaylor> lots of symlinks
[22:23] <jtaylor> there is one abi/api version, usually named .so.X which links to the actual library
[22:23] <jtaylor> and .so which links to the newest available for development
[22:24] <pinchmesh> ahhh, I forgot that
[22:25] <pinchmesh> been a long time since I fooled with it
[22:31] <pinchmesh> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       35 Aug  1 14:22 libssl.so -> /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0
[22:31] <pinchmesh> what about this??
[22:31] <pinchmesh> look at the date
[22:32] <jtaylor> what about it?
[22:34] <pinchmesh> I'm wondering what has changed
[22:35] <jtaylor> there was a security update in may that accidentally disabled TLS 1.1, but that was fixed quickly
[22:36] <pinchmesh> k
[22:36] <pinchmesh> whole bunch was changed this month
[22:46] <pinchmesh> brb
[23:41] <Dr_Willis> yea. webapps started working.. nvidia-current.. broke.. ;P
[23:42] <Dr_Willis> but now i have a reddit webapp.. so  its all good. ;P