[10:08] <elfy>  anyone got any idea why nvidia drivers not showing up in the additional drivers dialogue ?
[10:08] <smartboyhw> ...
[10:09] <astraljava> elfy: Nope. I noticed it during the weekend, but ran out of time to pursue the issue.
[10:09] <elfy> k - cheers astraljava
[10:10] <astraljava> elfy: Err... sorry.
[10:10] <astraljava> I wasn't thinking straight, too little sleep.
[10:10] <elfy> wonder if it is something to do with unity and nvidia and xorg
[10:10] <astraljava> elfy: It's because of the new X server, and no up-to-date nvidia package.
[10:10] <elfy> aah - thought it might be - thanks astraljava
[10:28] <smartboyhw> jibel: Why do you need to +o yourself?
[10:32] <jibel> smartboyhw, to change the topic
[10:32] <smartboyhw> jibel: Oh thanks
[10:40] <phillw> jibel: do you have a couple of minutes to look at http://pastebin.com/SRLnr5fB and offer advice to one of testing team?
[11:10] <phillw> jibel: wb, did you get my last message?
[11:37] <jibel> phillw, I didn't get it sorry. my connection is very poor today
[11:38] <phillw> jibel: no worries mate. I've got a starting point to register the bug.
[11:38] <jibel> phillw, ok cool
[12:18] <smartboyhw> phillw: How's the testing going for 12.04.1
[12:19] <phillw> smartboyhw: he he, and I just auto respond to a ping!
[12:20] <smartboyhw> phillw: ?
[12:20] <phillw> present
[12:21] <phillw> smartboyhw: as I said on -release, we lack resources to maintain it for 5 years.
[12:22] <smartboyhw> phillw: Er...Ubuntu Studio is a small team, and we can still maintain it...
[12:24] <phillw> smartboyhw: The decision for LTS or not, is taken by the devs. In the case of lubuntu as it is still a young flavour and lxde stuff is rapidly changing they chose to use the resources to further develop lxde stuff rather than back-port. If some one was to join who can dedicate their time to back-porting we would be able to issue LTS's
[12:25] <smartboyhw> Hmm... Now I'm licking my lips on Lubuntu:)
[12:37] <smartboyhw> phillw: Been a bit suprised: Why aren't your name in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Get%20Involved/WhoWeAre
[14:14] <smartboyhw> balloons: ping
[14:17] <balloons> smartboyhw, howdy
[14:26] <smartboyhw> balloons: How's the 12.04.1 testing going?
[14:27] <balloons> smartboyhw, you tell me :-)
[14:27] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds
[14:27] <smartboyhw> balloons: What the
[14:27] <balloons> that's the status
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Kubuntu has no one to test, weird
[14:28] <balloons> I've got to push a note out to everyone to go fill in the gaps as needed
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Who's in charge of testing of Kubuntu?
[14:29] <balloons> Scottk, riddell, darkwing
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Hmm, that's weird...
[14:29] <smartboyhw> How about Edubuntu?
[14:30] <balloons> stgraber, and highvoltage are the folks there
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Hmm....
[14:31] <stgraber> we'll probably want Edubuntu respun for the cups issue so I'm not spending any time on testing until then
[14:31] <smartboyhw> stgraber: Oh
[14:31] <balloons> elfy, btw -- https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-August/035635.html
[14:31] <balloons> theres the reason nvida is missing
[14:32] <smartboyhw> balloons: elfy finally knew, and he wasn't here:)
[14:34] <smartboyhw> balloons: I think the most successful testing of 12.04.1 is for Ubuntu Studio:)
[14:46] <balloons> gj smartboyhw
[14:46] <balloons> did you get upgrade testing in
[14:46] <balloons> ?
[14:47] <smartboyhw> balloons: astraljava disabled it due to interface change
[14:47] <balloons> smartboyhw, I just noticed it wasn't in the list after I asked
[14:53] <smartboyhw> balloons: I've asked astraljava to put it back again for 12.10
[14:53] <smartboyhw> But then we don't need it for 12.04.1
[15:04] <smartboyhw> balloons: Nice e-mail
[15:06] <balloons> smartboyhw, I haven't sent it yet
[15:06] <balloons> lol --
[15:08] <smartboyhw> balloons: About the 12.04.1 one
[15:09] <balloons> smartboyhw, ahh yes.. I was laughing because I was writing up a mail about fb
[15:09] <smartboyhw> Oh....That's why
[15:10]  * patdk-wk works on testing
[15:10] <smartboyhw> balloons: Good e-mail now about fb
[15:10] <smartboyhw> ;-)
[15:10] <balloons> I don't want people to confuse the issue.. I think it will make sense to them
[15:10] <smartboyhw> balloons: How much do you know about SII? phillw pushed me there
[15:12] <phillw> smartboyhw: he knows of its existance, as we will be asking testers to try speech control out once they are at a level to release it for testing.
[15:12] <smartboyhw> OK, I'm building the source now
[15:12] <balloons> smartboyhw, ^^
[15:15] <njin> balloons, have you alredy run maas in virtualbox ?
[15:15] <njin> I have it working in hardware but not on virtualbox
[15:16] <njin> cannot understand why
[15:18] <balloons> njin, there was something to doing it virtually
[15:18] <balloons> I remember a post on it
[15:18] <balloons> umm.. it's a question for the server guys
[15:18] <balloons> let's see.. was it clint, or deigo..
[15:18] <njin> balloons, I'm asking
[15:19] <phillw> balloons: that's new news re: nvidia problem, I was on #ubuntu-x earlier and they asked that the bug be reported against xorg, is that information incorrect / out dated?
[15:22] <smartboyhw> balloons: Any fix on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/subscription ?
[15:23] <balloons> phillw, as far as I know nvidia isn't working in quantal
[15:23] <balloons> and it's been disabled
[15:23] <balloons> smartboyhw, what do you mean fix?
[15:23] <smartboyhw> I mean has it been done...
[15:23] <phillw> balloons: did you catch the email from Greg?
[15:26] <smartboyhw> balloons ping
[15:26] <phillw> balloons: http://pastebin.com/SRLnr5fB is the question, http://pastebin.com/ELA3TjMU is the reply from #ubuntu-x
[15:29] <balloons> phillw, which email?
[15:30] <smartboyhw> balloons: Will we be busy after FF to test the features? Also, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/subscription anyone is working on it?
[15:30] <phillw> balloons: surmised above ^^
[15:30] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/subscription is on the list of things to dev out completely
[15:31] <smartboyhw> oh
[15:31] <balloons> but we need help on the qatracker
[15:31] <balloons> most of the dev on it that's going to happen this cycle is done
[15:31] <balloons> timeframes and commitments are difficult
[15:32] <balloons> smartboyhw, post ff we'll still be busy
[15:32] <balloons> beta1->beta2 will be busy busy
[15:32] <balloons> it will slow only slighty as we seek to finish the release
[15:32] <balloons> no break now really until the end of the cycle :-)
[15:33] <smartboyhw> no break at all:(
[15:33] <balloons> smartboyhw, I kid a little.. there's always something to do
[15:33] <balloons> but yes, you shouldn't kill yourself in doing it
[15:33] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:33] <balloons> in the beginning of the cycle, there is less..
[15:33] <phillw> balloons: for 10.04 --> 12.04.1 test, is a VM okay?
[15:33] <balloons> so to some extent before alpha1 your waiting for things to happen
[15:34] <balloons> phillw, yes VM is fine.. I want to make sure the upgrade goes well.. and having non-default mungled installs go through properly would be good
[15:34] <balloons> it's more of a software test that hw
[15:35]  * patdk-wk really needs to install a local apt cache
[15:35] <phillw> I've just been clearing out my myriad of VM's, so I have room for a ubuntu 10.04 :)
[15:35] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:37] <smartboyhw> balloons: A very strange thing: I'm actually not running any Ubuntu or its deriatives in real machine
[15:40] <balloons> smartboyhw, ohh?
[15:40] <balloons> all vm's eh?
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Yep
[15:41] <smartboyhw> Don't worry, I'll be installing Ubuntu Studio 12.04.1 soon:)
[15:41] <patdk-wk> hmm, this is looking nice
[15:41] <patdk-wk> all my testcases are passing first try :)
[15:41] <patdk-wk> I need to attempt an upgrade test though
[15:42] <smartboyhw> patdk-wk: That's great
[15:49] <balloons> patdk-wk, yee-haw!
[15:55] <patdk-wk> now to clone a lucid install, and attempt to ugprade it
[15:55] <patdk-wk> all esx/iscsi tests passed :)
[16:00] <smartboyhw> patdk-wk, phillw, balloons: Bye!
[16:37] <balloons> we need to add the social networks info to the our wiki
[16:46] <phillw> okies, where do you want them putting?
[16:50] <balloons> phillw, I guess it's all on the main page
[16:50] <balloons> I'm going to post about the new groups
[16:50] <balloons> it would be good to point folks to the wiki for full details
[17:01] <phillw> balloons: the FB page currently has "General chat and introduction to QA, of all things please realise one thing... WE DO NOT BITE!! Feel free to ask, but please do use our mailing list & IRC channel. Tell us what you need to help you to help the ubuntu family ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam  "
[17:02] <balloons> phillw, short and sweet
[17:03] <balloons> I don't see anything wrong with that
[17:03] <phillw> good, I just sort of threw it together when I created the group, it can be edited.
[17:04] <balloons> heh
[17:13]  * patdk-wk attempts to get back on track
[17:19] <balloons> I survived the reboot.. hurray
[17:27] <elfy> always a good acid test
[17:35] <balloons> elfy, :-)
[17:36] <elfy> balloons: thanks for pointing me at -arm :)
[17:36] <balloons> elfy, yea, handy channel isn't it?
[17:37] <elfy> it is - I shall find it useful I think
[18:21] <njin> damn, more than one hour to run a minimal installation and it is not ended, KVM is really buggy
[18:25] <balloons> njin, what did you find out about maas?
[18:25] <njin> balloons, nothing, just a little step, but till now no way to connect to the VM
[18:26] <njin> in hardware it works out of the box, in VM no
[20:02] <njin> balloons, i've tried JeOS in kvm, but I cannot understand where's the difference with the testcase installer run in a vm
[20:03] <balloons> njin what do you mean the difference>/
[20:03] <balloons> inside a VM, to the extent hardware is invovled, you'll be testing only the emulated hardware
[20:03] <balloons> most of the install process is software side, though there are certainly bugs with hardware interacton
[20:04] <njin> installer (default) i mean
[20:05] <njin> the same steps and the same result
[20:05] <jibel> njin,  JeOS stands for "Just enough Operating System." in other word it is the minimal installation to have a working Ubuntu
[20:06] <njin> jibel, thanks, then is the default one
[20:06] <jibel> njin, the test case here is to verify that installation fits below certain limits
[20:06] <njin> default testcase i mean
[20:10] <jibel> njin, default installs the task standard and jeos  the task minimal
[20:11] <jibel> the result is different
[20:13] <patdk-wk> the instructions linked to the testcase decribe it all
[20:14] <patdk-wk> make sure virtual kerne is installed, make sure large ubuntu- package isn't installed
[20:14] <patdk-wk> make sure it uses <500m diskspace, and <40m? for kernel modules
[20:15] <patdk-wk> normal install is using 890megs diskspace, and 130m for kernel modules
[20:17]  * patdk-wk is happy though
[20:17] <patdk-wk> I can upgrade my lucid vm's without grub failures now :)
[20:19] <spajderix> hi
[20:20] <njin> well, seems to me that install the default instead, no virtual kernel, ubuntu-standard installed, linux>140 MB, size of / 1,1 GB
[20:20] <njin> tomorrow will retest better, jibel:^^
[20:21] <njin> now is late, good night
[20:21] <jibel> njin, good night, thanks for your help
[20:21] <njin> balloons, jibel, see you tomorrow
[21:06] <pinchmesh> lo all, am having a problem with cad... programs expect sslv2, 12.04 has sslv1. can I symlink files?
[21:07] <pinchmesh> documentation says numbering system is different.
[21:28] <patdk-wk> pinchmesh? heh?
[21:28]  * patdk-wk wonders what that has to do with testing ubuntu iso's
[21:29] <patdk-wk> and also, sslv2 should not be used, for atleast 5years now, or longer
[21:29] <patdk-wk> I can't remember the last time sslv1 was supported
[21:29] <pinchmesh> hey, i stepped out
[21:30] <pinchmesh> i'm attempting draftsight..
[21:31] <pinchmesh> errors are sslv2 not found, followed by multiple application/mime errors
[21:32] <pinchmesh> curious as to why the program ran for a week, then problems.
[21:33] <patdk-wk> pinchmesh, probably cause your in the wrong channel?
[21:34] <patdk-wk> is that related to testing ubuntu iso's somehow?
[21:34] <patdk-wk> somehow related to the channel topic?
[21:34] <pinchmesh> prolly, cause something has changed, or a bug..
[21:34] <pinchmesh> draftsight is in beta though...
[21:35] <patdk-wk> then you probably want the #ubuntu+1 channel
[21:35] <pinchmesh> ah, ok...thanks
[21:35] <patdk-wk> I still probably wouldn't expect much there, though
[21:36] <patdk-wk> I would try to look for a channel about that program itself
[21:36] <pinchmesh> i have
[21:37] <pinchmesh> been at this all weekend
[21:38]  * patdk-wk still has no clue what the issue is :)
[21:38] <patdk-wk> or what package
[21:39] <pinchmesh> it loads with apt-get... same as ubuntu pkg mgr
[21:39] <patdk-wk> yes, but WHAT?
[21:39] <pinchmesh> draftsight
[21:39] <patdk-wk> I can't find a package called draftsight
[21:40] <pinchmesh> http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/overview/
[21:40] <patdk-wk> that isn't a ubuntu package
[21:40] <patdk-wk> that is 3rd party
[21:40] <pinchmesh> download the ubuntu version, then use software manager
[21:40] <patdk-wk> you are going have to go ask them
[21:40] <pinchmesh> i have
[21:41] <pinchmesh> it's a good replacement for autocad 2d
[21:42] <pinchmesh> prolly the best that's free
[21:42] <patdk-wk> still totally out of scope, not even a part of ubuntu
[21:42] <pinchmesh> k
[21:43] <pinchmesh> but, how do I set sslv2 in the program to what's included in ubuntu???
[21:43] <patdk-wk> yuk, it's a i386 only package
[21:43] <patdk-wk> no clue, this is about testing ubuntu iso's
[21:44] <pinchmesh> hey, I would be happy if it worked
[21:44] <elfy> pinchmesh: try posting on the forums
[21:44] <pinchmesh> k, will do
[21:45] <patdk-wk> can't even review the release notes without making an account? annoying
[21:45] <pinchmesh> sorry
[21:46] <pinchmesh> thought you guys might know
[21:46] <patdk-wk> that isn't your issue :)
[21:46] <patdk-wk> but I don't even know what you mean, by set sslv2
[21:46] <patdk-wk> sslv2 has been dead for half a decade, and disabled for even longer
[21:47] <pinchmesh> cad wants v2 or v3
[21:48] <pinchmesh> later all, and thanks
[22:09]  * balloons missed interesting driveby