[00:00] <zumo> AMD Athlon 64 X2
[00:00] <penguin42> ah yes, that's nicer
[00:00] <zumo> I refuse to spend £70 for a new board though
[00:00] <penguin42> and ram
[00:01] <zumo> The PC i linked to comes with a dual core processor, and its faster plus the ram HDD and everythuing else
[00:01] <zumo> Its cheaper to buy a new machine
[00:01] <zumo> and I can't get my head around it
[00:01] <zumo> I've alsways had it drummed in that its cheaper to build than to buy
[00:02] <penguin42> zumo: those ones from ebuyer are doing very well - I hate to think how; but don't forget that those chips are combined everything; so that's GPU and CPU on one chip
[00:04] <zumo> Yea but id add my own gpu probally. Even if I didn,t It would be a decent general use PC
[00:04] <zumo> Better than what im using without a doubt
[00:04] <penguin42> well it's a 6xxx series GPU, so it's not going to be bad
[00:13] <zumo> Someone install the CPU for me.
[00:16] <penguin42> haha
[00:29] <zumo> Dealing with great thermal paste in a white tshirt
[00:29] <zumo> Probally not my best idea
[00:34] <zumo> Anyone know much on ram timings?
[01:11] <zumodoki> What varient of ubuntu are you guys using and why?
[05:41] <bigcalm_xoom> Good morning peeps :-)
[06:58] <DJones> Morning ll
[06:58] <DJones> all
[07:01] <Myrtti> gm
[07:04] <DJones> Morning Myrtti
[07:19] <AlanBell> morning
[07:39] <diplo> Morning
[08:33] <daubers> Morning
[08:34] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:34] <brobostigon> o/
[08:40] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:41] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait :)
[08:44] <JamesTait> brobostigon: o/
[08:44] <brobostigon> o/
[08:53] <hoover> morning all
[09:23] <oimon> morning
[09:24] <christel> morning oimon
[09:24] <oimon> the oggcamp hangover in here, very quiet
[09:24] <brobostigon> morning oimon and christel
[09:24] <christel> hello brobostigon \o/
[09:25] <brobostigon> \o/
[09:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all.
[09:26] <brobostigon> morning TheOpenSourcerer
[09:26] <oimon> hmm http://www.cultofandroid.com/14793/the-slide-out-qwerty-lives-pre-order-the-motorola-photon-4g-lte-from-wirefly-for-149-99/
[09:26] <oimon> wonder if typing on real keys would be as fast as swyping
[09:27] <AlanBell> I would like that
[09:28] <oimon> yeah, turns a consumption device into a 2 way computer
[09:30] <oimon> oh, it looks a bit like zx81 keys
[09:30] <oimon> http://cdn.androidcommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/P1100039-540x405.jpg
[09:33] <AlanBell> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/technology-video/9483884/Asus-Transformer-Pad-Infinity-tablet-with-keyboard-hands-on-review.html want one of those, running Ubuntu
[09:35] <oimon> my sister is evaulating tablets for her school to buy 20 for use in a pool. not sure what to recommend
[09:36] <oimon> she uses flash websites a lot, but adobe kind of scuppered that
[09:36] <ali1234> waterproof ones?
[09:36] <oimon> badhum chish
[09:37] <brobostigon> oimon: you can still get the apk, just import it, and intall.
[09:37] <oimon> yeah, but i'm not the tech support in the school
[09:37] <brobostigon> install*
[09:37] <brobostigon> ah.
[09:37] <oimon> and no guarantees
[09:38] <AlanBell> oimon: XO-3 is on the way (delayed, but will happen at some point)
[09:38] <oimon> she is trialling a galaxy 10.1 atm
[09:38] <oimon> apparently the school can get those quite cheap
[09:38] <oimon> but one with hdmi out would be cool
[09:39] <brobostigon> samsung have a non-standard skin ontop of android dont they. ?
[09:39] <oimon> ah, i think it has it, but just needs an aadapter
[09:39] <oimon> brobostigon, looked androidy to me
[09:40] <brobostigon> oimon: it will be android, i mean, they adapt and change it, from aosp.
[09:40] <oimon> they add some widgets and apps
[09:40] <oimon> like a nice weather app and home screen
[09:41] <brobostigon> ok, i thought, when i looked at one for my mum, there were more differences, ohwell.
[09:42] <brobostigon> i use beautiful widgets, for my weather widget.
[09:42] <ali1234> samsung have touchwiz, htc has touchflow
[09:42] <oimon> i use aix weather app, which is brilliant
[09:42] <ali1234> they both suck
[09:44] <oimon> http://www.fivedollarfinds.com/micro-sonic-grenade/ lol
[09:44] <oimon> not sure what the real world use is of this
[09:46] <mgdm> I thought HTC had Sense? Has that changed since I had a Desire?
[09:46] <ali1234> oh yeah
[09:46] <ali1234> who is touchflow then?
[09:47] <mgdm> Oh, HTC too, but on WinMo, apparently
[09:47] <brobostigon> oimon: i am just looking up that weather widget you mentioned, it looks nice.
[09:48] <ali1234> ah yeah touchflow is a htc shell for windows mobile that has kinetic scrolling like iphone/android
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:02] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:03] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[10:07]  * daubers requires chocolate... but has none :(
[10:08]  * brobostigon only has three blocks of his favorite chocolate left, sorry/
[10:09] <oimon> brobostigon, it's very reliable for planning when it will rain etc
[10:10] <oimon> one of my favourite apps, plus the calendar app jorte
[10:10] <brobostigon> oimon: ah, thank you.
[10:20] <DJones> After the start to the day I've had, I've already gone through 2 bars of chocolate
[10:24] <Flashtek> lol
[10:25] <DJones> One broken file server, 2 virus laden desktops and broken window lock all left for me to deal with
[10:26] <DJones> And, I'm not even responsible for any of them
[10:27] <DJones> File server broke on Friday night, none of the staff in work on the saturday even bothered to report to IT support, not exactly sure what any of them did for the day apart from sit & twiddle their thumbs whistling and looking innocent
[10:32] <mattt> DJones: :P
[10:39] <DJones> The only bright side to it, its one of the directors computers thats got a virus on it, at least I can tell him off for downloading goat pron
[10:39] <mattt> eek
[10:40] <brobostigon> lol
[12:43] <daubers> UK2 are the suckiest
[12:44] <GregR1969> Thud3rstruck?
[12:45] <oimon> anyone using gnome shell and have monitors in an up/down formation rather than side by side?
[12:45] <GregR1969> quit
[12:45] <GregR1969> exit
[12:45] <oimon> can't drag windows from bottom screen to top
[12:45] <AlanBell> you ok there GregR1969?
[12:46] <GregR1969> yeah Alan..thanks been that long since I used X d IRD on 'nix I forgot how to logout of here
[12:46] <GregR1969> IRC even
[12:47] <AlanBell> probably needs more of a / in front of it
[12:47] <AlanBell> and /part is the thing to close a channel
[13:26] <diplo> Anyone know ramifications of restarting rsyslog on a live box ?
[13:29] <davmor2> Man see how quiet it is on here when everyone is suffering from ogglag :D
[13:46] <oimon> was there an oggflu this year?
[13:50] <popey> i dont think so
[13:53] <davmor2> popey: the one big plus for this year is Pete Canon now likes Steven Fry \o/
[13:53] <oimon> is updating to nvidia 304 drivers on 12.04 :S
[13:53] <oimon> it would take a lot for me to like stephen fry
[13:54] <oimon> maybe scrapping QI and doing a funny new series of blackadder might persuade
[13:55] <popey> what's wrong with fry?
[13:57] <AlanBell> popey: is the video released now?
[13:57] <oimon> it went wrong when people started listening to what he had to say
[13:58] <oimon> people think he's this enormously clever guy or liberal commentator
[13:58] <davmor2> oimon: it would take a lot for you to like anything ;)
[13:58] <oimon> au contraire
[13:58] <oimon> however not many of those things happen to fall in the populist camp
[13:58] <oimon> i enjoyed the olympics muchly though
[13:59] <davmor2> but oimon all we eva! here from you is complaints about everything :D
[13:59] <oimon> thats cos it's irc
[13:59] <oimon> fb feed is full of joy and fun
[14:00] <oimon> last opinion i shared " let me just say that owncloud is flipping awesome"
[14:01] <oimon> i like linux though
[14:10] <oimon> new nvidia drivers seemed to run OK
[14:10] <oimon> was scared for a moment there
[15:58] <davmor2> muhahahahah  on startup USC is using 1262.5% of the cpu :D
[16:15] <jacobw> davmor2: ubuntu software center?
[16:15] <davmor2> jacobw: Yeap
[16:16] <davmor2> jacobw: most apps are the same it just tickled me to see it :D
[16:17]  * jacobw coalesces leisurely
[16:29] <davmor2> popey: do you happen to have a spare quantal laptop knocking about?
[16:30] <popey> desktop, not laptop
[16:30] <popey> why?
[16:31] <davmor2> needs power and battery to test
[16:31] <popey> sorry, no
[16:32] <davmor2> popey: I have found an odd issue on my laptop, with the power attached when the laptop hit sleep/blank screen I can move the mouse and I'm back at the desktop no unlock password, same thing on battery I get the password request
[16:32] <n1md4> Just me, or with 12.04 did anyone *have* to install aptitude ... if only to have fewer binaries!
[16:34] <jacobw> n1md4: i don't understand
[16:36] <davmor2> jacobw: I'm with you
[16:40] <n1md4> jacobw: Not really worth explaining ;>
[16:43] <jacobw> i haven't used aptitude much
[16:44] <jacobw> i appreciate the smaller command space :)
[16:48] <popey> n1md4, aptitude isn't installed by default anymore on desktop
[17:23] <JamesTait> OK folks, I'm wrapping up for today.
[17:23] <JamesTait> Got to go and buy a USB keyboard for the new Raspberry Pi. :)
[17:23] <JamesTait> And some parts for the car. :(
[17:23]  * JamesTait waves
[17:23] <brobostigon> o/
[17:23] <JamesTait> 'night all!
[17:25] <christel> bai bai JamesTait <3
[17:26] <jacobw> o/ christel
[17:26] <christel> heeey jacobw :D
[17:33] <jacobw> still on holiday?
[17:37] <christel> yeah :)
[17:37] <christel> bit bored of it now mind and quite homesick if truth be told
[17:40] <jacobw> :(
[17:40] <jacobw> the guys in the UK must be looking forward to having you back
[17:43] <christel> i bet they're not, haters the lot of them!
[17:55] <davmor2> christel: Hello
[17:56] <christel> HELLO LOVELY LOVELY davmor2 person <3<3<3
[17:56] <davmor2> christel: Oh that's worrying you're a being nice and b calling me a person.............What do you want?
[17:57] <davmor2> :D
[17:57] <christel> hahaha
[17:57] <christel> how did you know i was after something? am i *that* transparent? :P
[18:00] <Pendulum> davmor2: it's because I wasn't around most of the weekend so no one was feeding extra her sense of self-importance ;)
[18:01] <davmor2> Pendulum: you'd better make up for it then :D
[18:02] <christel> hahaha
[18:07] <zleap> how do i figure out what software is playing an audio file
[18:07] <zleap> something is, as i can hear it but its not in my lubuntu panel
[18:07] <davmor2> zleap: run ps aux in a full screen terminal
[18:08] <zleap> thanks
[18:08] <zleap> just ran top
[18:08] <zleap> it was banchee,  but didn't appear anywhere to suggest it was running
[18:09] <davmor2> zleap: is there an audio indicator if so it might be docked in there
[18:10] <zleap> nope
[18:10] <zleap> some applications show up,  some don't
[18:10] <davmor2> zleap: nice
[19:51] <davmor2> Moo from my s3
[19:53] <zleap> hi
[20:01] <gneel> Evening
[20:02] <davmor2> Hello
[20:03] <zleap> evening
[20:03] <Azelphur> grrrr, my machine keeps turning the volume down randomly
[20:03] <zleap> hmm
[20:04] <zleap> gremlins
[20:04] <zleap> is it me or does Linux have some built in weird randomness
[20:04] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:04] <gneel> I'm having a problem with language-pack-gnome-en-base
[20:04] <zleap> incluide <annoy_user.h>
[20:04] <zleap> lol
[20:05] <zleap> include <annoy_user.h>
[20:06] <zleap> hi simondbull
[20:06] <gneel> I have a file that seems to be corrupted and it's preventing the upgrade of the package. Any ideas how I can proceed?
[20:06] <simondbull> zleap: hi
[20:07] <zleap> hi
[20:07] <zleap> hmm
[20:07] <simondbull> zleap: how are you?
[20:07] <zleap> gneel, the only way i ahve fixed package issues when i get told there are inconsistancies is to edit a file
[20:07] <zleap> simondbull, i am good thanks
[20:07] <gneel> ~$ ls -l /usr/share/locale-langpack/en@shaw/LC_MESSAGES/m*
[20:07] <gneel> ls: cannot access /usr/share/locale-langpack/en@shaw/LC_MESSAGES/mousetweaks.mo: Input/output error
[20:07] <gneel> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 89357 May 10 01:23 /usr/share/locale-langpack/en@shaw/LC_MESSAGES/metacity.mo
[20:08] <zleap> ok thast is different i thought you meant with installing stuff
[20:08] <gneel> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  89357 May 10 01:23 metacity.mo
[20:08] <gneel> -????????? ? ?    ?         ?            ? mousetweaks.mo
[20:08] <simondbull> zleap: good to hear :)
[20:08] <zleap> gneel, that def does not look healthy
[20:09] <zleap> gneel, can you remove the packagfe that belongs to and re-install it
[20:09] <gneel> A bug got logged at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-gnome-en-base/+bug/1035940
[20:09] <gneel> No.
[20:09] <zleap> ok
[20:09] <gneel> I've tried removing it
[20:09] <jacobw> gneel: your're s
[20:10] <gneel> I've tried reinstalling it
[20:10] <gneel> I've tried upgrading it.
[20:10] <jacobw> gneel: you're seeing a filesystem error there, which may be caused by the underlying block device
[20:10] <jacobw> gneel: i.e. unless it
[20:10] <zleap> ok going back to what i said earlier its sources.list  that holds info onpackages
[20:10] <zleap> in /etc/apt
[20:10] <jacobw> gneel: unless it's a filesystem error, it's a disk erro
[20:10] <gneel> jacobw: should I try a fsck then?
[20:11] <jacobw> yes
[20:11] <gneel> OK thanks. I'll try that.
[20:11] <zleap> jacobw, don't you fsck on unmounted filesystems
[20:11]  * zleap isn't sure but mentioned it 
[20:11] <gneel> Yep, I'll have to reboot to do it
[20:11] <zleap> ok
[20:11] <jacobw> um, yes, i assume people do :)
[20:11] <gneel> I'm going to use a live USB to do it.
[20:11] <zleap> ah good plan
[20:11] <jacobw> you can schedule an fsck on next boot
[20:12] <gneel> You can check a read-only filesystem, but you have to be very careful.
[20:12] <gneel> jacobw: how?
[20:12] <Darael> It's /possible/ to fsck a mounted filesytem.  It's just usually a bad idea.
[20:12] <gneel> I've heard of that but don't know how.
[20:12] <zleap> gneel, bestnot to over complicate things and do it safely and unmount i guess
[20:13] <jacobw> `touch /forcefsck`
[20:13] <gneel> jacobw: thanks.
[20:13] <gneel> bye all, hope my disk is OK!
[20:14] <jacobw> good luck :)
[20:14] <Azelphur> yep, this is ultra annoying
[20:14] <Azelphur> trying to listen to music, volume keeps randomly setting itself to 0
[20:15] <jacobw> ha
[20:16] <Azelphur> I even tried going totally hands free, not touching the keyboard or mouse at all, and waiting, and it still sets it to 0 randomly haha
[20:16] <jacobw> if the volume is being set by pulseaudio, you could watch dbus for a trigger
[20:17] <Azelphur> jacobw: how do I do that?
[20:17] <jacobw> check what pulseaudio thinks the volume is when it happens
[20:17] <Azelphur> jacobw: I'm watching alsamixer, it does set itself to 0
[20:18] <jacobw> pulseaudio can drive alsamixer
[20:19] <Azelphur> :)
[20:19] <jacobw> i'm not sure how to watch dbus messages only for pulseaudio, dbus-monitor watches dbus for you
[20:20] <jacobw> my knowledge of dbus thins after this point :)
[20:20] <jacobw> poke ali1234
[20:20] <ali1234> hey, did pirate pay up yet?
[20:21] <Azelphur> ali1234: not yet I think
[20:23] <Azelphur> jacobw: http://pastebin.com/UD1KwPDr
[20:23] <gneel> jacobw: Thanks for the tip, the file is now listable by ls.
[20:24] <gneel> jacobw: I'll try the update now and see what happens.
[20:26] <gneel> Wahey! It's fixed.
[20:32] <jacobw> Azelphur: what command did you use for that?
[20:34] <jacobw> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/Developer/Clients/DBus
[20:35] <jacobw> man dbus-monitor
[20:35] <jacobw> i'd look around for similar bug reports before i started trying to listen to dbus though :)
[22:22] <yothsoggoth> can anybody recommend a decent (cheap) monitor that has DVI, VGA and HDMI inputs (< £100)?
[22:23] <AlanBell> get an hdmi to dvi adapter and drop HDMI from your requirements
[22:24] <yothsoggoth> I want sound through the HDMI as well though, usually the ones that come with HDMI also have built-in speakers (although they're probably crap speakers, that doesn't bother me too much)
[22:24] <yothsoggoth> at the moment I have 3 screens on my desk, 2 monitors for my PC and 1 tv for the Xbox, so I was hoping to reduce to having 2 monitors, one that has HDMI so I can use it for the Xbox, too.
[22:25] <AlanBell> makes sense
[22:30] <yothsoggoth> it's been so long since I bought a monitor, I have no idea which are good/bad
[22:47] <KrimZon> I have a phillips c-line with vga and hdmi - my graphics card came with an adapter from dvi to hdmi
[22:48] <KrimZon> the monitor doesn't have any vesa mount - the cables go in the base and it's like a laptop monitor on its own stand
[22:49] <KrimZon> the screen's a bit wobbly but you have to touch the screen to wobble it when it's on a sturdy desk, and the controls are in the base
[22:49] <KrimZon> model name: Brilliance 224CL
[22:51] <KrimZon> also it's 21.5" 1920x1080
[23:15] <popey> yothsoggoth, i bought philips 234EL, i have two on my desk, they have all 3 inputs
[23:16] <yothsoggoth> popey: Does it have speakers?
[23:16] <popey> yeah, not great ones
[23:17] <yothsoggoth> but bareable?
[23:17] <popey> i rarely if ever use them
[23:21] <popey> i paid 120 for it
[23:21] <popey> ex vat
[23:21] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/242578
[23:23] <yothsoggoth> looks pretty good, but it seems nowhere sells it anymore :(
[23:24] <popey> yeah, i bought mine in may
[23:24] <popey> i guess it was end of line
[23:24] <yothsoggoth> yeahh, but I'll keep a look out for similar ones, or newer Philips ones
[23:25] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Philips-234EL2SB-23-Widescreen-LCD-Monitor-Black-/180954137004?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_Monitors&hash=item2a21b501ac
[23:25] <popey> yeah, I'm sure they have comparable models
[23:27] <yothsoggoth> I found this one earlier, but I've never really heard of BENQ so I'm unsure of the quality
[23:27] <yothsoggoth> http://www.ebuyer.com/387395-gw2250hm-21-5-led-1920x1080-vga-dvi-hdmi-speakers-black-9h-l8mlb-qbe
[23:28] <yothsoggoth> The reviews say it's good, but there aren't too many
[23:28] <popey> BENQ are quite popular
[23:28] <popey> they've been around a few years now, used to be quite low end stuff
[23:28] <popey> they're building up their brand
[23:28] <popey> it used to be part of Acer
[23:28] <dogmatic69> anyone know how to make NEF (nikon raw files) show thumbnails?
[23:29] <yothsoggoth> I see. Any horror stories about them? If not I may consider that one
[23:29] <popey> not personally
[23:29] <dogmatic69> I checked gconf-editor and all is enabled. 12.04 btw
[23:29] <popey> but I generally just read amazon reviews for stuff I buy
[23:29] <popey> if there's no reviews I usually avoid
[23:29] <yothsoggoth> Yeahh same usually. There's only 4 reviews on eBuyer. I'll see if I can find the same monitor somewhere else
[23:30] <popey> no reviews for that model on amazon
[23:30] <popey> nice and cheap tho
[23:31] <popey> I'd probably take a punt on that tbh
[23:31] <popey> nice narrow bezel
[23:31] <yothsoggoth> Yeah, I found positive reviews for a similar model on amazon. I might give it a go
[23:45] <popey> schwuk_away, happy birthday old man!
[23:46] <dogmatic69> bah. had to resort to imagemagick so I can see what images I got :/