[00:42] <derekv> This Developer's Life
[00:42] <derekv> good.
[00:47] <rick_h_droid> awesome
[00:52] <snap-l> http://bluesock.org/~willg/blog/pyvideo/status_20120819.html
[01:03] <rick_h_droid> the only thing I got out of that was this backlog link doesn't show pyohio at all
[01:03] <rick_h_droid> http://pyvideo.org/suggestions/videos
[01:03] <snap-l> Yeah, I know
[01:04] <snap-l> http://i.imgur.com/jOBZn.jpg
[01:06] <rick_h_> bwuhahaha https://twitter.com/zzzeek/status/237344723319271424
[01:06] <snap-l> rick_h_: That is awesome.
[01:34] <brousch> rick_h_: suckup :P
[01:35] <rick_h_droid> you know it
[01:36] <rick_h_droid> I live on his software libraries, gotta suck up
[01:48] <brousch> That is awesome though
[02:06] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, nice to have your programming hero say a nice thing or two.
[11:16] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:16] <rick_h_> morning
[12:21] <CrusaderAD> Hello, anyone in here familiar with reading usb plug n play devices?
[12:21] <brousch> Reading?
[12:22] <CrusaderAD> yep, I've got a Dymo USB pnp scale and was curious how I'd go about reading it's weight. The manufacturer and seller are useless resources.
[12:29] <snap-l> CrusaderAD: Well, in order to read the device, you'd need something to tell the device what sort of device it should be
[12:29] <snap-l> whether that's a serial device, or what-not
[12:29] <snap-l> and then some program to interpret the results.
[12:30] <snap-l> http://steventsnyder.com/reading-a-dymo-usb-scale-using-python/
[12:30] <snap-l> You can usually get the vendor ID and device ID by typing `dmesg` soon after plugging in the device.
[12:31] <snap-l> sorry, product ID, not device ID.
[12:32] <CrusaderAD> yep, I found that article on google too, I didn't know that about the vendor id, thanks!
[12:32] <snap-l> np
[12:41] <CrusaderAD> http://pastebin.com/J7YFSi8L do you know which set of numbers it is?
[12:41] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/fm
[12:42] <snap-l> I can finally talk about this. :)
[12:42] <snap-l> CrusaderAD: one sec. There's an easier way.
[12:42] <brousch> snap-l: Dammit. That started blasting music when I opened the page
[12:42] <snap-l> try usb-devices
[12:43] <snap-l> brousch: UNfortunately yes
[12:43] <brousch> So streaming metal station?
[12:43] <CrusaderAD> span-l thanks, that's better
[12:43] <snap-l> Yep
[12:43] <snap-l> With me doing some of the programming (check the schedule)
[12:44] <snap-l> http://66.55.144.67:8120/radio <- direct link
[12:48] <brousch> I like span-l. You should change your name
[12:49] <snap-l> Heh
[12:49] <snap-l> Actually I was thinking of changing my handle
[12:50] <brousch> spankl
[13:11] <CrusaderAD> snap-l: I'm getting a "usb.core.USBError: [Errno 16] Resource busy" error, any idea what that means?
[13:33] <smoser> jcastro, do you have your X1 Carbon yet ?
[13:33] <jcastro> it's too big
[13:33] <jcastro> but I have been eyeballing it
[13:33] <smoser> its 14 inch?
[13:33] <jcastro> also eyeing the X230
[13:34] <jcastro> yes
[13:34] <rick_h_> x230 ftw
[13:34] <rick_h_> dual ssd :)
[13:35] <jcastro> what a shame about the X1
[13:36] <jcastro> 14 inch laptop is not an ultrabook, it's just a really thin laptop!
[13:43] <smoser> that is true. the 14 inch doesn't open all the way in those coach seats.
[13:46] <rick_h_> I'm debating getting that slice battery before my next conference for the x230
[13:46] <rick_h_> go all day long!
[13:47] <rick_h_> jcastro: bug heads up, with the x230 I did have a lockup bug going on and some wifi dropping issues on occassion
[13:47] <jcastro> I am not buying any time soon
[13:48] <jcastro> which wifi card on your X230?
[13:48] <rick_h_> intel
[13:51] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/yirdc/a_generation_lost_in_the_bazaar/c5vxtc6
[13:51] <snap-l> CrusaderAD: Try running as root to see if that'll fix it
[13:52] <CrusaderAD> snap-l: tried with sudo, I get that result
[13:53] <snap-l> CrusaderAD: Perhaps it has already registered itself as a serial device, then?
[13:53] <snap-l> Not sure, as I don't have that scale to test. :)
[13:53] <CrusaderAD> snap-l: no big deal, thanks for the help, I'll keep researching it :)
[13:53] <rick_h_> cop out
[13:53] <rick_h_> :P
[13:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: Feel free to step in
[13:53]  * rick_h_ goes back to work
[13:54] <snap-l> The dance continues, even if the partners change. ;)
[14:13] <jrwren> i wrastled with lvm last night and won.
[14:14] <jrwren> am tip: if you don't say what kind of mirror log to use it will be disk and lvm will put it on any disk, probably one you didn't want it too
[14:14] <jrwren> what about the thinkpad t430u, even smaller than 430s ?
[14:18] <jrwren> snap-l: that ACM post is really just someone who doesn't understand the difference between source and build results and packages.
[14:19] <jcastro> the 430s looks great
[14:19] <jcastro> snap-l: do you still have that X130?
[14:19] <snap-l> jrwren: It's a UNIX Grognard hoping for a retro-world where machines were sacred resources, not something you carried in your pocket.
[14:20] <snap-l> X120, and yes.
[14:20] <jcastro> I think I might get the newer one of that model
[14:20] <jrwren> i'd like to try a samsung seriews 7 or 9 for a year
[14:20] <snap-l> jcastro: Go for it
[17:30] <greg-g> snap-l: I haven't read either Chris Randall's pdf, nor this post by Techdirt on it, but, here you go: www.techdirt.com/articles/20120815/15530420064/musician-chris-randall-music-has-no-monetary-value-connections-it-forms-are-priceless.shtml
[17:32] <brousch> I think snap-l posted that last week
[17:40] <greg-g> oh, wow, that is from 8/15, huh, I'm a bit behind (Senior Leadership Retreat thing Tues-Thurs, then Tahoe Sat/Sun)
[17:40] <greg-g> also, who here follows FLOSS Robotics stuff, do you know/have an opinion on http://www.willowgarage.com ?
[17:52] <krondor> I don't know too much about it, but I like their vision statement.  I dislike that it's bsd license I think
[17:54] <greg-g> as opposed to apache or gpl?
[17:54] <greg-g> (apache having clear patent language, gpl being reciprocal)
[17:55] <krondor> exactly... I also think hardware not just software is going to be big sticking points in robotics but maybe I'm wrong.
[17:55] <krondor> like patent on grasping hands and locomotion systems and such
[17:55] <greg-g> we (CC) are going to have a couple people from there come talk to use during our quarterly staff get together, why I asked.
[17:55]  * greg-g nods
[17:56] <krondor> I once worked on this, but it was ages ago and I haven't really followed legal hardware stuff in awhile; http://orpp.sourceforge.net/
[17:58] <greg-g> yeah, the open hardware problem is a tough legal nut to crack
[17:58] <greg-g> patents are horribly hard to deal with
[17:59] <jrwren> how can you dislike BSD Liencse?  its the freeest of free!
[18:00] <greg-g> kiiinda
[18:00] <greg-g> define free ;)
[18:01] <greg-g> I like to know that the software I'm using doesn't also have patents attached
[18:01] <greg-g> patents that will be enforced on me, that is
[18:01] <jrwren> free for me to use.
[18:01] <jrwren> only thing freer is CC0 or PD
[18:02] <greg-g> (yes, there is no gaurantee that some random other entity doesn't have a patent covering the exact same process, thus, the quagmire of open patents)
[18:02] <jrwren> free to abuse
[18:02] <jrwren> free to embrace and extend
[18:02] <jrwren> patents can diaf :)
[18:02] <greg-g> word.
[18:02] <jrwren> the red flag of patents gets raised far too often.
[18:03] <jrwren> rule 1 of patent fear: don't be afraid, if you are so big that someone wants to come after you for infringement, you are already a success.
[18:03] <greg-g> its the reason CC0 isn't an OSI approved option
[18:03] <jrwren> rule 2 of patent fear: if you are still reading, you arn't a success and are small potatoes, so go get successful and stop fearing the patents
[18:06] <krondor> jrwren: in software I would agree on patents, in hardware I would disagree.
[18:07] <jrwren> why?
[18:07] <krondor> because I've seen small time companies slapped with patent suits early in dev stages after demoing a prototype on a tradeshow floor
[18:08] <jrwren> sucks to be them.
[18:10] <krondor> my point being that in hardware patents are much more often enforced (and probably more legitimate than software).  Which is fine.
[18:11] <krondor> But in open source robotics the fear is that because they're much more often enforced the open source startup will be bullied even if there is prior art as the field is new.
[18:11] <krondor> Big companies have an opportunity to grab patents on the X ways to do Y, which given laws of phyics, might be the only viable ways to do Y leaving you at an impass
[18:12] <jrwren> sounds like fud
[18:12] <greg-g> it isn't though
[18:13] <greg-g> patents should diaf, not only because FLOSS hardware startups are bullied with them
[18:18] <jrwren> snap-l: someone commented on reddit and now its gone or I can't find it. They said "ah you used my favorite stack, pyramid, mako, etc..."
[18:18] <jrwren> and I was looking for the list of etc.
[18:18] <jrwren> sqlalchemy is in there, but I can't find this comment.
[18:18] <rick_h_> jrwren: that was mike bayer on twitter
[18:18] <rick_h_> he wrote sqlalchemy, mako, and alembic
[18:18] <greg-g> E_TOO_MANY_SOCIAL_STREAMS
[18:19] <jrwren> rick_h_: ah, thanks.
[18:19] <rick_h_> https://twitter.com/zzzeek/status/237344723319271424
[18:22] <jrwren> thanks again.
[18:22] <jrwren> that is above and beyond
[18:24] <rick_h_> yea, nice to get kind words from your programming heros and all that
[18:27] <snap-l> greg-g: That techdirt article on Chris Randall's post is an excellent summary
[18:28] <snap-l> And i posted the original article. Saw the Chris Randall post this morning.
[18:28] <snap-l> er, the Techdirt summary
[18:38] <brousch> Ooooh, this has potential http://www.geeknote.me/
[18:39] <brousch> Evernote command line client
[18:39] <snap-l> nice!
[18:45] <jjesse> anyone listen to the interview w/ Leo Laporte and the CEO of Evernote?
[18:45] <jjesse> i think it was on triangulation or whatever it is called
[18:46] <rick_h_> jjesse: yea
[18:46] <rick_h_> listened to half of it
[18:46] <jjesse> i thought it was very interesting, said the company was willing/open to an Open Source version of Evernote
[18:46] <jjesse> and i think he even mentioned they might help fund it?
[18:46] <rick_h_> yea
[18:46] <jjesse> i thought that was pretty cool
[18:47] <rick_h_> time to add an 'evernote suppor level' to your kickstarter for your linux app :)
[18:47] <rick_h_> hmmm, think this geeknote could just be dropbox + grep though
[18:48] <rick_h_> but one guy on my bookie reddit thread brought up his bookmark tool he wrote that used evernote as a backend to sync off
[18:48] <rick_h_> interesting idea for backup strategy, and our notes would be cool because they have web page content
[18:53]  * snap-l sees a bookie dropbox api in the future
[18:55] <rick_h_> I debate on that. I think it only makes sense for non-html content like pdfs and such you might 'bookmark'
[18:56] <snap-l> "Make offline"
[18:56] <snap-l> or even "sync to dropbox"
[18:56] <snap-l> You already have readable support
[18:56] <rick_h_> yea, one day I guess
[18:56] <snap-l> drop it in my read_review folder on dropbox, and I love you long time. ;)
[18:56] <rick_h_> well yea, i did think about dropping the readable content you mark !toread into a single .html file and dump into dropbox
[18:57] <rick_h_> yea, exactly
[18:57] <rick_h_> it's part of the work for the reading view to do
[18:58] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/yiw4s/instead_of_buying_instagram_for_1_billion_cash/ <- ouch
[19:03] <snap-l> NIce to see the logging bot back here
[19:20] <snap-l> Dropbox acting strange for anyone else?
[19:22] <brousch> Not that I noticed
[19:22] <snap-l> hurm
[20:01] <jcastro> jrwren: hah, stay classy yahoo answers
[20:23] <jrwren> hahaha.
[20:28] <snap-l> ?
[20:29] <snap-l> Just saw twitter
[20:30] <snap-l> I'd trust Yahoo Answers to let me know how to get crumbs out of my toaster with a fork sooner than trust them for anything else.
[20:36] <brousch> So sad. I think Django will get Python3 support before Flask
[20:40] <jrwren> it was funny.
[20:40] <jrwren> yahoo answers is entertainment.
[20:49] <greg-g> really, they should just rebrand it as the StackExchange for Comedy
[20:50] <Blazeix> StackExchange: Jersey Shore Edition
[20:53] <jrwren> haha, nice, both of you.
[21:37] <waldo323_> wait, yahoo answers isn't run by the onion?
[23:52]  * snap-l loves UHF
[23:52] <snap-l> just picked up four Obituary CDs
[23:53] <snap-l> to add to the two that I picked up last time.